I have absolutely no idea why this change would make a difference…

The explanation is probably in sahe-shell-mode emacs-lisp code, originally 
written by someone wose emacs-lisp fu is widely heavier than mine.

sage-shell-mode code, as far as I know, isn’t understood by nobodu, since 
its original author went to greener pas$tures… A concerted effort to 
understand and *comment* it might be worthwile… 
​
Le mardi 24 janvier 2023 à 23:15:40 UTC+1, John H Palmieri a écrit :

> For reasons I really don't understand, removing these lines from 
> sage.interfaces.all seem to have caused this:
>
> -interfaces = ['gap', 'gap3', 'giac', 'gp', 'mathematica', 'gnuplot', \
> -              'kash', 'magma', 'macaulay2', 'maple', 'maxima', \
> -              'mathematica', 'mwrank', 'octave', 'r', \
> -              'singular', 'sage0', 'sage']
>
> At least if I restore those lines, or even just add a line "interfaces = 
> []", then emacs appears to work again. I haven't tried it very much, though.
>
> I have absolutely no idea why this change would make a difference...
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 12:52:29 PM UTC-8 axio...@yahoo.de wrote:
>
>> I tried to comment out all the changes in all_cmdline.py, but this didn't 
>> help.  The diff of src/sage/interfaces/all.py is a bit unclear to me, I 
>> don't see what could be a problem there. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 17:47:29 UTC+1 John H Palmieri wrote:
>>
>>> This was one of my guesses because that ticket could have changed global 
>>> behavior of Sage by changing some imports — most of the tickets made more 
>>> focused changes. Can you start with 9.8.beta6 and just apply some of the 
>>> changes from #34547? In particular, do things work if you don't include the 
>>> changes in all_cmdline.py?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 5:15:53 AM UTC-8 axio...@yahoo.de wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just spent some time to debug this, but I failed.  The problem seems 
>>>> to be that sage-shell:wait-for-redirection-to-complete in 
>>>> https://github.com/sagemath/sage-shell-mode/blob/80fbb4ee9ed8507d22214ed7a4ffd135c9e8c7c8/sage-shell-mode.el#L889
>>>>  
>>>> does not return.  There is only one python file involved, 
>>>> https://github.com/sagemath/sage-shell-mode/blob/master/emacs_sage_shell.py,
>>>>  
>>>> but I do not see what #34547 has to do with it.  Something about 
>>>> lazy_import maybe?
>>>>
>>>> I can see that in sage-shell:run-cell-raw-output the command
>>>>
>>>> _emacs_sage_shell.run_cell_and_print_msg_id("_emacs_sage_shell.print_sage_root()",
>>>>  
>>>> ’emacs_sage_shell_msg_idb3d6f70f24e51147305a3aea036ba747start’, 
>>>> ’emacs_sage_shell_msg_idb3d6f70f24e51147305a3aea036ba747end’)
>>>>
>>>> was sent to the process (using process-send-string), and after that,
>>>>
>>>>         (sage-shell:wait-for-redirection-to-complete)
>>>>
>>>> never returns.  I don't know how to debug the python code, 
>>>> unfortunately.  Most importantly, I don't see what changed - what does 
>>>> #34547 have to do with it?
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 11:09:23 UTC+1 axio...@yahoo.de wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, that was a great suggestion: 9.8.beta6 works - and it seems 
>>>>> that #16522 was already in 9.8.beta6.  However 9.8.beta6 + #34547 fails.
>>>>> Not sure where to go from here.  Should I open a ticket on trac?
>>>>>
>>>>> For me personally, this is a blocker, but I have no idea how many 
>>>>> emacs users there are.
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 10:21:11 UTC+1 axio...@yahoo.de wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for this suggestion!  I will try with 9.8.beta6 + #33842.  
>>>>>> I hope that all dependencies are in the branch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 21:32:10 UTC+1 John H Palmieri wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could it be #34547, #16522, or #33842? I'm just taking guesses based 
>>>>>>> on the newly merged tickets.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:42:37 AM UTC-8 
>>>>>>> emanuel.c...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From someone called mantepse in the sage-shell-mode 
>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/sagemath/sage-shell-mode/issues/69#issuecomment-1400278482>
>>>>>>>>  issue 
>>>>>>>> on github :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ```
>>>>>>>> It is really strange: I have a 9.8.beta7 build and a 9.8.beta6 
>>>>>>>> build. Apparently, if I first use the beta6 one for sage-shell-mode, I 
>>>>>>>> can 
>>>>>>>> then use beta7 in the same emacs session.
>>>>>>>> ```
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't get it either...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are two short Python files in the current `sahe-shell-mode` 
>>>>>>>> emacs package, which are my prime suspects for an incompatibility with 
>>>>>>>> Python 3.11. Now for a strategy for debugging *this*...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any idea ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Le lundi 23 janvier 2023 à 10:48:48 UTC+1, axio...@yahoo.de a 
>>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Emacs stopped working for me again!  I don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is terrible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 22 January 2023 at 14:41:04 UTC+1 
>>>>>>>>> emanuel.c...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This patches fix my Fricas issue indeed. But losing the Emacs 
>>>>>>>>>> interface is a big hit for me, so I revert to 9.6.beta6 for now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you nevertheless !
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Le vendredi 20 janvier 2023 à 22:58:53 UTC+1, John H Palmieri a 
>>>>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In the hopes that this will fix it, I opened 
>>>>>>>>>>> https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/34927.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-8 John H Palmieri 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Does this change fix the fricas.py failure?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> diff --git a/src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py 
>>>>>>>>>>>> b/src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py
>>>>>>>>>>>> index dc2ce71f26..ceba6f90dc 100644
>>>>>>>>>>>> --- a/src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py
>>>>>>>>>>>> +++ b/src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py
>>>>>>>>>>>> @@ -891,7 +891,7 @@ http://fricas.sourceforge.net.
>>>>>>>>>>>>          """
>>>>>>>>>>>>          EXAMPLES::
>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>> -            sage: fricas.__reduce__()                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>                   # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>> +            sage: FriCAS().__reduce__()                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                   # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>>              (<function reduce_load_fricas at 0x...>, ())
>>>>>>>>>>>>              sage: f, args = _                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>                   # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>>              sage: f(*args) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 12:34:21 PM UTC-8 
>>>>>>>>>>>> emanuel.c...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apart from the  Emacs issye alteady reported 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/sage-release/c/QRjzctTlVeU/m/MKACzqcVAQAJ>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I get the three permanent failures I reported for the previous 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> betas, as 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> well as a new one, which gives three errors :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> charpent@zen-book-flip:/usr/local/sage-9$ sage -t --long 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --warn-long 259.6 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --random-seed=41414648133166628206443904124754495105 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py  # 3 doctests failed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Running doctests with ID 2023-01-20-20-50-00-ee865d6d.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Git branch: develop
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Git ref: 9.8.beta7
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Running with SAGE_LOCAL='/usr/local/sage-9/local' and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SAGE_VENV='/usr/local/sage-9/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --optional=debian,dot2tex,fricas,gap_packages,libsemigroups,mathics,mathics_scanner,msolve,palettable,pint,pip,saclib,sage,sage_spkg
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Features to be detected: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4ti2,benzene,bliss,buckygen,conway_polynomials,csdp,cvxopt,database_cremona_ellcurve,database_cremona_mini_ellcurve,database_cubic_hecke,database_jones_numfield,database_knotinfo,dvipng,gfan,graphviz,imagemagick,jupymake,kenzo,latte_int,lrslib,mcqd,meataxe,msolve,nauty,palp,pandoc,pdf2svg,pdftocairo,phitigra,plantri,polytopes_db,polytopes_db_4d,pynormaliz,python_igraph,rubiks,sage.combinat,sage.geometry.polyhedron,sage.graphs,sage.groups,sage.misc.cython,sage.plot,sage.rings.number_field,sage.rings.padics,sage.rings.real_double,sage.symbolic,sage_numerical_backends_coin,sagemath_doc_html,sphinx,tdlib
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doctesting 1 file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sage -t --long --warn-long 259.6 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --random-seed=41414648133166628206443904124754495105 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>> File "src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py", line 894, in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Failed example:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     fricas.__reduce__()                                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exception raised:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> line 695, in _run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         self.compile_and_execute(example, compiler, test.globs)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> line 1093, in compile_and_execute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         exec(compiled, globs)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "<doctest 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__[0]>", line 1, in <module>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         fricas.__reduce__()                                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/lib/python3.10/copyreg.py", line 76, in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _reduce_ex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         raise TypeError(f"cannot pickle {cls.__name__!r} 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> object")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     TypeError: cannot pickle 'LazyImport' object
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>> File "src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py", line 896, in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Failed example:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     f, args = _                                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exception raised:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> line 695, in _run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         self.compile_and_execute(example, compiler, test.globs)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> line 1093, in compile_and_execute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         exec(compiled, globs)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "<doctest 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__[1]>", line 1, in <module>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         f, args = _                                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     TypeError: cannot unpack non-iterable int object
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>> File "src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py", line 897, in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Failed example:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     f(*args)                                                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exception raised:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> line 695, in _run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         self.compile_and_execute(example, compiler, test.globs)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> line 1093, in compile_and_execute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         exec(compiled, globs)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "<doctest 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__[2]>", line 1, in <module>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         f(*args)                                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>        # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     NameError: name 'f' is not defined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 item had failures:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    3 of   4 in sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     [277 tests, 3 failures, 42.89 s]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sage -t --long --warn-long 259.6 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --random-seed=41414648133166628206443904124754495105 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py  # 3 doctests failed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Total time for all tests: 48.0 seconds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     cpu time: 4.2 seconds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     cumulative wall time: 42.9 seconds
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Features detected for doctesting: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le jeudi 19 janvier 2023 à 00:48:25 UTC+1, Volker Braun a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As always, you can get the latest beta version from the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "develop" git branch. Alternatively, the self-contained source 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tarball is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at http://www.sagemath.org/download-latest.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We should probably gear up for a 9.8 release soon, so get 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your tickets ready ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 047281e0287 (trac/develop, tag: 9.8.beta7) Updated SageMath 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version to 9.8.beta7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 272c557d1f3 Trac #31668: Run TestSuite on polynomial rings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6f8fb9ba3ef Trac #22067: generating function of integral 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points of polyhedra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5544a33b815 Trac #21003: Add package pyscipopt, add MIP 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b0422b2536b Trac #34838: setuptools_scm, contourpy, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sphinxcontrib_websupport, typing_extensions: Add missing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30d58156a46 Trac #34717: Check the presence of lrsnash for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obtain_nash()
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> c7299453922 Trac #34891: fixing some E502 in tensor, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dynamics, modules, plot, numerical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bc832cb3578 Trac #34889: Installation guide: On WSL, clear 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /mnt/c stuff from PATH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3570a9a63bd Trac #34881: allow to remove no constraints
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0ceb1032430 Trac #34878: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MixedIntegerLinearProgram.add_constraint: Option to return row 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indices, fix 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handling of empty constraints
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> df74efb66d2 Trac #34859: sagelib: Remove unnecessary import 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of typing_extensions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b6a76d7a848 Trac #34857: bump giac's GIAC_MIN_VERSION to 1.9
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6a8155e6e5d Trac #34854: molien_series() should not use GAP's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VirtualCharacter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dddf3ca0b08 Trac #34853: sage-env: Fix misconfiguration of pip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6f631021ac4 Trac #34847: modernize some for loops in cython 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9ffabc7f3e1 Trac #34844: removal of some unused imports about 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> string conversion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4b50bc2af27 Trac #34843: pep8 cleanup in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ore_polynomial_element.pyx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bdd14cec19b Trac #34837: fix E502 in some pyx files
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 172ad73ae38 Trac #34836: fix E271 and E272 in rings/ and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schemes/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3d861266040 Trac #34749: Packages dsdp, scip_sdp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 64d232b5bfd Trac #31329: Update scipoptsuite to 8.0.2 (now 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open source!), rename to scip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2dcafb3ac57 Trac #34839: Support tox 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ad68f15d97f Trac #34648: Developer's guide: warn the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition to GitHub and add links to the transition guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acebbc1a9e8 Trac #34824: do not include parent in hash of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parking functions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9a7b6310dde Trac #34818: Error when defining differentials 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over GCA's with relations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bb63c582122 Trac #34807: Add Construction of Hadamard 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matrices up to order 664
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8a0b16d93be Trac #34804: Deprecate sage.interfaces 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is_...Element functions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 80f8f950e95 Trac #34793: clean 3 files inside modular
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b0cc282500e Trac #34547: Interfaces: use more lazy imports, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restore top-level functions maxima_console etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5905da7ebfc Trac #33915: inseparable elliptic-curve isogenies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 98b22ebdcf7 Trac #32826: scalar-multiplication endomorphisms 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of elliptic curves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4f11a750df9 Trac #8744: Improve add_edge in BipartiteGraph to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make it independent from the current coloring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 08aa2f8edaa Trac #33842: Upgrade python to 3.11
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 75bedf95960 Trac #34783: various details in combinat/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 33fa8715bd5 Trac #34742: Optional package soplex (dependency 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of scip)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> f84915f69d8 Trac #34726: Optional package papilo (dependency 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of scip)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e5cf1c0d9f2 Trac #34694: Bug in ExteriorAlgebra interior 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ebb9b611d02 Trac #34416: Manage pexpect logs created during 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doctesting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 962177a2da1 Trac #33907: interfaces/expect.py random test 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 66409243991 Trac #16522: lazy_import doesn't resolve properly 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when indirectly imported
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2114066f877 (tag: 9.8.beta6) Updated SageMath version to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.8.beta6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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