Re: structurizationism
Richard, you wrote: What human structurization could be named or labeled 'emanation'? to which Mark responded: IMO, emanation is a divine structurization for the particulars, the created beings, which God emanates. I agree with Mark's comment (fortunately, so does Abdu'l-Baha... see SAQ pgs: 202-208. Nonetheless, in consideration of a human structurization that could/might be labeled I would say that would be UNITY. Lovingly, Sandra __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: structurizationism
Original Message from Sandra Chamberlain Mark responded: IMO, emanation is a divine structurization for the particulars, the created beings, which God emanates. I agree with Mark's comment (fortunately, so does Abdu'l-Baha... see SAQ pgs: 202-208. Nonetheless, in consideration of a human structurization that could/might be labeled I would say that would be UNITY. Dear Sandra: Thank you for the post. I was not aware of the following quotations; and probably would not have become so aware but for your post Out of the flowering of your thoughts and hopes, fragrant emanations have come my way, wherefore an inner sense of obligation compelleth me to pen these words (Abdu'l-Baha, Selections from the Writings of Abdu'l-Baha, p. 246) As for offering thanks by speaking out or writing, although this is indeed acceptable, yet when compared with that other thanksgiving, it is only a semblance and unreal; for the essential thing is these intimations of the spirit, these emanations from the deep recess of the heart.(Abdu'l-Baha, Selections from the Writings of Abdu'l-Baha, p. 179) It cannot be denied that the emanations of spiritual power and inspiration destined to radiate from the central Edifice of the Mashriqu'l-Adhkar will to a very large extent depend upon the range and variety of the contributing believers, as well as upon the nature and degree of self-abnegation which their unsolicited offerings will entail. (Shoghi Effendi, Baha'i Administration, p. 181) Consider carefully: all these highly varied phenomena, these concepts, this knowledge, these technical procedures and philosophical systems, these sciences, arts, industries and inventions -- all are emanations of the human mind (Abdu'l-Baha, The Secret of Divine Civilization, p. 2) Richard. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: structurizationism
Richard, Never mind. I see what you are referring to. At 11:48 AM 11/19/2004, you wrote: *The statement, God is love, could be rephrased, God is His Will. For us, in accordance with divine command theory, goodness refers to the divine Will, *wholly dependent on God, not to His Essence.* Whatever God wills is, by definition, good. Maybe I could make it clearer. However, I did not say, not on His Essence. I said, not to His Essence. In other words, I am saying that goodness does not refer to the Essence of God but to His Will. Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: structurizationism
Hi, Richard, At 02:24 PM 11/19/2004, you wrote: And this is because we can know nothing of His Essence? Not exactly. The classical realists, following Plato, made forms a part of God's nature. The form for a person, a cat, a dog, or a tree was a fixed universal in the Mind of God. As a result, God's creative process was determined by these universals (templates). Cats resembled one another as a consequence of taking part in the same universal - the same expression of God's Essence. The nominalists and terminists (i.e., terms or terminology) challenged the idea of fixed universals and argued that universals were merely accidental (not fixed) names for particulars considered to have similar characteristics. That naming could be done by God or by man. Thus, if God *names* something as good, it is good. A cat is a cat because people have labeled it as such. Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: structurizationism
- Original Message - From: Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 1:56 PM Subject: Re: structurizationism Hi, Richard, At 02:24 PM 11/19/2004, you wrote: And this is because we can know nothing of His Essence? Not exactly. Or is it that His Will emanates from His Essence in your opinion? Richard. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: structurizationism
Hi, Richard, At 04:39 PM 11/19/2004, you wrote: Or is it that His Will emanates from His Essence in your opinion? I would say manifests in this case. Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: structurizationism
- Original Message - From: Mark A. Foster Subject: Re: structurizationism Hi, Richard, At 04:39 PM 11/19/2004, you wrote: Or is it that His Will emanates from His Essence in your opinion? I would say manifests in this case. In your structurizationism system do emanations manifest as particulars? Mark __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: structurizationism
In your structurizationism system do emanations manifest as particulars? If you mean emanations from God, I would say yes. For instance, each soul is an emanation from God. The soul manifests itself as a body. What human structurization could be named or labeled 'emanation'? __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: structurizationism
Richard, At 07:38 PM 11/19/2004, you wrote: What human structurization could be named or labeled 'emanation'? IMO, emanation is a divine structurization for the particulars, the created beings, which God emanates. Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
