Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Black and Hillman

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seem to allow for that unless I'm not understanding how to do it. If
that isn't possible, I'd like to unsubscribe. I'm getting too many
emails about names not connected to my family. I do have your site
bookmarked and love the info which pertains to my ancestors! 
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-From: "Lynton Stewart via
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To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List", "Boyd Gray"
Cc: "Lynton Stewart"
Sent: Friday March 29 2019 8:13:39AM
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Black and Hillman

Boyd:   
   Unfortunately, emigrants to Canada from anywhere in the British
Isles (including all of Ireland in the 19th century) were just
considered as moving from one part of the country to another. No
records, other the passenger lists, were kept of their movements.   
   His grandchildren referred to him as being "the meanest SOB in
Canada", and said that he had a rabid hatred of Catholics. Supposedly,
he was forced to emigrate because he had gotten a Catholic girl
pregnant.   
   His name changes from one census to another, but it always has
Alexander Hillman-Black in it. One of the censuses list him as "George
Alexander Hillman-Black".   
   His death certificate lists his father as "James Black", born in
Scotland; and his mother as being "Mary Hillman", born in Ireland. He
is just listed as being born in Ireland, with no place named.   
   I have NOT been able to locate a marriage record for him. He
married a "half-breed" (meaning of mixed Native and British ancestry)
in Manitoba Canada and they had 12 children. This was all before
Manitoba required the "Long Form" birth record (indicating where each
of the parents were born).   
   He is a bit of an enigma, wrapped in a puzzle. He is somewhat like
the "little man that wasn't really there".   
   Thank you for looking for them for me.   
   Lynton Stewart

  On Friday, March 29, 2019, 9:33:16 AM CDT, Boyd Gray  wrote:   

   Hi Bill,   
   Unfortunately there are at least six James Blacks living in Tyrone
in the Griffiths Valuation of 1859, which records every head of
household. This means you need some more clues.   
   There will be no civil birth for Alexander, which would be a
clincher as Alexander is a much less common name, because civil
registration only began in 1845. And there are no births to a couple
called Black and Hillman after 1864, which might have been possible if
Alexander had been an early child.   
   Nor will there be a marriage because I am assuming Alexander was
not married, aged 20, when he left for Canada. There are three
marriages of a James Black between the start of civil registration of
marriages in 1845 and the birth of Alexander in 1851 but none to a
Mary Hillman.   
   But you probably know all of this.   
   Is there no indication of the parish or other place name from
whence Alexander came in any of his Canadian records?   
   Regards,   
   Boyd   
   [1]https://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ [2]

   [3]https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/ [4]

   [5]http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/ [6]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 14:07, Lynton Stewart via CoTyroneList 
wrote:
  I am searching for any evidence of a James Black (believed to
have been born in Scotland), living in County Tyrone around 1848-1871.
  
   He had a son, Alexander Black, who was born in August, 1851.
Alexander emigrated to Canada in 1871, reportedly as a "Remittance
Man", paid an annual sum NOT to return to Ireland. He was an active
member of the Orange Order in Canada, so I would presume that his
father was also. In Canada, Alexander used the surname of
Hillman-Black, and said that his mother was Mary Hillman.   
   He sailed from Londonderry in April 1871, arriving in Quebec on May
2.

   I have searched the online Irish records, without success.   
   I would greatly appreciate any information, or clues, to help me
find the family of my paternal great-grandfather.   
   Lynton "Bill" Stewart   theoldme...@att.net [8]
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Black and Hillman

[Lynton Stewart via CoTyroneList]

Boyd:
Unfortunately, emigrants to Canada from anywhere in the British Isles 
(including all of Ireland in the 19th century) were just considered as moving 
from one part of the country to another.  No records, other the passenger 
lists, were kept of their movements.
His grandchildren referred to him as being "the meanest SOB in Canada", and 
said that he had a rabid hatred of Catholics.  Supposedly, he was forced to 
emigrate because he had gotten a Catholic girl pregnant.
His name changes from one census to another, but it always has Alexander 
Hillman-Black in it.  One of the censuses list him as "George Alexander 
Hillman-Black".
His death certificate lists his father as "James Black", born in Scotland; and 
his mother as being "Mary Hillman", born in Ireland.  He is just listed as 
being born in Ireland, with no place named.
I have NOT been able to locate a marriage record for him.  He married a 
"half-breed" (meaning of mixed Native and British ancestry) in Manitoba Canada 
and they had 12 children.  This was all before Manitoba required the "Long 
Form" birth record (indicating where each of the parents were born).
He is a bit of an enigma, wrapped in a puzzle.  He is somewhat like the "little 
man that wasn't really there".
Thank you for looking for them for me.
Lynton Stewart






On Friday, March 29, 2019, 9:33:16 AM CDT, Boyd Gray  
wrote:  
 
 Hi Bill,
Unfortunately there are at least six James Blacks living in Tyrone in the 
Griffiths Valuation of 1859, which records every head of household.  This means 
you need some more clues.
There will be no civil birth for Alexander, which would be a clincher as 
Alexander is a much less common name, because civil registration only began in 
1845.  And there are no births to a couple called Black and Hillman after 1864, 
which might have been possible if Alexander had been an early child.
Nor will there be a marriage because I am assuming Alexander was not married, 
aged 20, when he left for Canada.  There are three marriages of a James Black 
between the start of civil registration of marriages in 1845 and the birth of 
Alexander in 1851 but none to a Mary Hillman.
But you probably know all of this.
Is there no indication of the parish or other place name from whence Alexander 
came in any of his Canadian records?  
Regards,
Boyd
https://www.westulstergenealogy.com/

https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/

http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/




On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 14:07, Lynton Stewart via CoTyroneList 
 wrote:

I am searching for any evidence of a James Black (believed to have been born in 
Scotland), living in County Tyrone around 1848-1871.
He had a son, Alexander Black, who was born in August, 1851.  Alexander 
emigrated to Canada in 1871, reportedly as a "Remittance Man", paid an annual 
sum NOT to return to Ireland.  He was an active member of the Orange Order in 
Canada, so I would presume that his father was also. In Canada, Alexander used 
the surname of Hillman-Black, and said that his mother was Mary Hillman.
He sailed from Londonderry in April 1871, arriving in Quebec on May 2.

I have searched the online Irish records, without success.
I would greatly appreciate any information, or clues, to help me find the 
family of my paternal great-grandfather.
Lynton "Bill" stewarttheoldme...@att.net
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Black and Hillman

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Hi Bill,

Unfortunately there are at least six James Blacks living in Tyrone in the
Griffiths Valuation of 1859, which records every head of household.  This
means you need some more clues.

There will be no civil birth for Alexander, which would be a clincher as
Alexander is a much less common name, because civil registration only began
in 1845.  And there are no births to a couple called Black and Hillman
after 1864, which might have been possible if Alexander had been an early
child.

Nor will there be a marriage because I am assuming Alexander was not
married, aged 20, when he left for Canada.  There are three marriages of a
James Black between the start of civil registration of marriages in 1845
and the birth of Alexander in 1851 but none to a Mary Hillman.

But you probably know all of this.

Is there no indication of the parish or other place name from whence
Alexander came in any of his Canadian records?

Regards,

Boyd

https://www.westulstergenealogy.com/

https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/

http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/




On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 14:07, Lynton Stewart via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> I am searching for any evidence of a James Black (believed to have been
> born in Scotland), living in County Tyrone around 1848-1871.
>
> He had a son, Alexander Black, who was born in August, 1851.  Alexander
> emigrated to Canada in 1871, reportedly as a "Remittance Man", paid an
> annual sum NOT to return to Ireland.  He was an active member of the Orange
> Order in Canada, so I would presume that his father was also. In Canada,
> Alexander used the surname of Hillman-Black, and said that his mother was
> Mary Hillman.
>
> He sailed from Londonderry in April 1871, arriving in Quebec on May 2.
>
> I have searched the online Irish records, without success.
>
> I would greatly appreciate any information, or clues, to help me find the
> family of my paternal great-grandfather.
>
> Lynton "Bill" Stewart
> theoldme...@att.net
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[CoTyroneMailingList] Black and Hillman

[Lynton Stewart via CoTyroneList]

I am searching for any evidence of a James Black (believed to have been born in 
Scotland), living in County Tyrone around 1848-1871.
He had a son, Alexander Black, who was born in August, 1851.  Alexander 
emigrated to Canada in 1871, reportedly as a "Remittance Man", paid an annual 
sum NOT to return to Ireland.  He was an active member of the Orange Order in 
Canada, so I would presume that his father was also. In Canada, Alexander used 
the surname of Hillman-Black, and said that his mother was Mary Hillman.
He sailed from Londonderry in April 1871, arriving in Quebec on May 2.

I have searched the online Irish records, without success.
I would greatly appreciate any information, or clues, to help me find the 
family of my paternal great-grandfather.
Lynton "Bill" stewarttheoldme...@att.net
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Donagheady Church near Strabane

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Donagheady researchers would benefit from Dr William Roulston’s wonderful 400 
page Three Century of Life in a Tyrone Parish: A History of Donagheady 
1600-1900 available as an E-Book from cotyroneireland.com 
https://cotyroneireland.com/estore/index.php?detailrecid=15 William was raised 
in the parish and is one of Ireland’s leading researchers and is Research 
Director at the Ulster Historical Foundation in Belfast. He knows his stuff.
Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Donagheady Church near Strabane

I visited the area and have photographs and information relating to the church 
and one nearby cemetery.   My ancestors were there prior to emigrating to the 
US.  How can I share them appropriately?
LuAnn Lundquist


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> Hello Bonnie,
> 
> You do not quote the source of your information. Was it extracted from the 
> wonderful Bready Ancestry website? ?http://www.breadyancestry.com/ which 
> contains the baptisms of several of John Dunn?s and Margaret McFarland?s 
> children? These are records from the registers of the Donagheady parish 
> church (Church of Ireland), the ruins of which are in the old graveyard 
> within the townland of Benowen (you can google the locational map) 2-3 
> kilometres from the village of Donemana (Dunnamanagh). The graveyard is 
> rather neglected and has been closed to burials for many years and not as 
> many headstones as one would expect as Donagheady with a large parish 
> population. The old church was abandoned in 1788 upon the erection of St. 
> Michael?s (with graveyard) closer to Donemana and this in turn was replaced 
> in the 1880s by the present parish church, St. James and a new graveyard in 
> the townland of Earl?s Gift. There are several Dunn graves to be found at 
> https://cotyroneireland.com/graveyard/fivemi
 le
> town/stmichaels.html
> 
> The surviving headstones have been transcribed, but do not include one for 
> John and Margaret. The majority of families did not deem a headstone 
> necessary but were quite sure the location of their allocated burial place.
> 
> I assume that it is the Church of Ireland records you refer to as the 
> surviving Presbyterian records (First and Second Congregations) do not 
> commence until the 1830s.
> 
> Hope this attends to your query and assists your research and hope things 
> work this time
> Regards
> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Donagheady Church near Strabane

[Jim McKane via CoTyroneList]

Hello there - thanks so much for the offer. Please drop me an off-list
email with further details as I'd like to look at putting them on the
website for everyone.
thanks
Jim

Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario


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> I visited the area and have photographs and information relating to the
> church and one nearby cemetery.   My ancestors were there prior to
> emigrating to the US.  How can I share them appropriately?
> LuAnn Lundquist
>
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> > This is my third attempt to send a reply your post via the mailing list,
> so hopefully a third try will have better success; the reply to all
> function seems problematical::
> >
> > Hello Bonnie,
> >
> > You do not quote the source of your information. Was it extracted from
> the wonderful Bready Ancestry website? ?http://www.breadyancestry.com/
> which contains the baptisms of several of John Dunn?s and Margaret
> McFarland?s children? These are records from the registers of the
> Donagheady parish church (Church of Ireland), the ruins of which are in the
> old graveyard within the townland of Benowen (you can google the locational
> map) 2-3 kilometres from the village of Donemana (Dunnamanagh). The
> graveyard is rather neglected and has been closed to burials for many years
> and not as many headstones as one would expect as Donagheady with a large
> parish population. The old church was abandoned in 1788 upon the erection
> of St. Michael?s (with graveyard) closer to Donemana and this in turn was
> replaced in the 1880s by the present parish church, St. James and a new
> graveyard in the townland of Earl?s Gift. There are several Dunn graves to
> be found at https://cotyroneireland.com/graveyard/fivemi
>  le
> > town/stmichaels.html
> >
> > The surviving headstones have been transcribed, but do not include one
> for John and Margaret. The majority of families did not deem a headstone
> necessary but were quite sure the location of their allocated burial place.
> >
> > I assume that it is the Church of Ireland records you refer to as the
> surviving Presbyterian records (First and Second Congregations) do not
> commence until the 1830s.
> >
> > Hope this attends to your query and assists your research and hope
> things work this time
> > Regards
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