Re: [digitalradio] RSID Query
On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 07:18:48PM -0400, Tony wrote: All, I was just wondering if there's any confusion or misunderstanding among the group about RS-ID? We all know that it's not always easy to identify a mode by sight and sound yet I still see many calling CQ without any mode identification. The end result, no contacts. I'm sure most of the seasoned digital ops know what RS ID is and what it does, so what's the reasoning behind not using it? Tony -K2MO FLDIGI - Check RX ID / TX ID in upper right corner of program window. Click CONFIGURE / IDS to set preferences. MULTIPSK - Click RS ID / RX RS ID in main window. Click CONFIGURATION / MANAGMENT OF ID's. Check CONTINUOUS DETECTION. Ham Radio Deluxe / DM780 Version 5 Open DM780. Click OPTIONS / MODES + IDs / REED SOLOMON TAB. Check: ENABLE RSID DETECTION / SHOW IN QSO WINDOW AS HYPERLINK SHOW POPUP WINDOW / SHOW RSID BUTTON ON QSO TRANSMIT TOOLBAR MixW: I _like_ RSID. I like it a lot, especially since lots of the multitone modes (OLIVIA, Contestia, THOR, and the like) sound and look alike to me, and I spend a lot of time trying to identify the particular submode and copy what's being sent. WIthout RSID, it sometimes takes enough time that the station on the other end quits. I've switched to HRD+DM780 precisely because they do offer RSID, even though I have a paid-up license for MixW. I vastly prefer MixW because it suits my operating style and its interface is IMHO better designed. I'm getting to the point of being less uncomfortable with HRD and DM780, but still prefer MixW. I also like having a text-mode log file with ;-separated items per line, as I can read it directly and bang it right out to my website. That *DOES* *NOT* in any mean that I have anything other than the most lively respect and admiration for HRD, DM780, and Simon's other works, or for him. It's just a matter of personal preference. C'mon, Yuri and company! Add RSID (and video ID) to MixW! -- Mike Andrews, W5EGO mi...@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin
Re: [digitalradio] RSID Query
Mike, I asked the Mixw team about RSID some time ago. Nick replied and seemed enthusiastic; I haven't heard anything from him since then. Tony -K2MO On 4/12/2010 12:23 PM, mikea wrote: On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 07:18:48PM -0400, Tony wrote: All, I was just wondering if there's any confusion or misunderstanding among the group about RS-ID? We all know that it's not always easy to identify a mode by sight and sound yet I still see many calling CQ without any mode identification. The end result, no contacts. I'm sure most of the seasoned digital ops know what RS ID is and what it does, so what's the reasoning behind not using it? Tony -K2MO FLDIGI - Check RX ID / TX ID in upper right corner of program window. Click CONFIGURE / IDS to set preferences. MULTIPSK - Click RS ID / RX RS ID in main window. Click CONFIGURATION / MANAGMENT OF ID's. Check CONTINUOUS DETECTION. Ham Radio Deluxe / DM780 Version 5 Open DM780. Click OPTIONS / MODES + IDs / REED SOLOMON TAB. Check: ENABLE RSID DETECTION / SHOW IN QSO WINDOW AS HYPERLINK SHOW POPUP WINDOW / SHOW RSID BUTTON ON QSO TRANSMIT TOOLBAR MixW: I _like_ RSID. I like it a lot, especially since lots of the multitone modes (OLIVIA, Contestia, THOR, and the like) sound and look alike to me, and I spend a lot of time trying to identify the particular submode and copy what's being sent. WIthout RSID, it sometimes takes enough time that the station on the other end quits. I've switched to HRD+DM780 precisely because they do offer RSID, even though I have a paid-up license for MixW. I vastly prefer MixW because it suits my operating style and its interface is IMHO better designed. I'm getting to the point of being less uncomfortable with HRD and DM780, but still prefer MixW. I also like having a text-mode log file with ;-separated items per line, as I can read it directly and bang it right out to my website. That *DOES* *NOT* in any mean that I have anything other than the most lively respect and admiration for HRD, DM780, and Simon's other works, or for him. It's just a matter of personal preference. C'mon, Yuri and company! Add RSID (and video ID) to MixW! -- Mike Andrews, W5EGO mi...@mikea.ath.cx mailto:mikea%40mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5022 (20100412) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
Re: [digitalradio] RSID Query
Tony, Thanks for bringing up this Topic. I knew nothing about RSID. I will start researching the topic. Your right about end results, no contacts. I keep going thru audio files or going to the dummy load to figure out the mode. I just did a quick search on my other computer and it appears this is some type of automatic identifier as to the mode. I am not sure of the ramifications of the use of RSID but it sounds like it might help me out. I hear a signal and I think it is DominoEx or Olivia or what ever is being sent and I never make the contact or cannot figure out what the mode is. It gets frustrating when you get a really strong signal in the evening , and you think you can work the operator and ragchew for a while. Again thanks for the bringing up the topic, this may help me out in identifying modes. Hal WD4MDA - Original Message - From: Tony To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 7:18 PM Subject: [digitalradio] RSID Query All, I was just wondering if there's any confusion or misunderstanding among the group about RS-ID? We all know that it's not always easy to identify a mode by sight and sound yet I still see many calling CQ without any mode identification. The end result, no contacts. I'm sure most of the seasoned digital ops know what RS ID is and what it does, so what's the reasoning behind not using it? Tony -K2MO FLDIGI - Check RX ID / TX ID in upper right corner of program window. Click CONFIGURE / IDS to set preferences. MULTIPSK - Click RS ID / RX RS ID in main window. Click CONFIGURATION / MANAGMENT OF ID's. Check CONTINUOUS DETECTION. Ham Radio Deluxe / DM780 Version 5 Open DM780. Click OPTIONS / MODES + IDs / REED SOLOMON TAB. Check: ENABLE RSID DETECTION / SHOW IN QSO WINDOW AS HYPERLINK SHOW POPUP WINDOW / SHOW RSID BUTTON ON QSO TRANSMIT TOOLBAR -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2801 - Release Date: 04/09/10 14:32:00
Re: [digitalradio] RSID Query
Only works with sound card modes? That a question not a comment. I really have no clue.
Re: [digitalradio] RSID Query
On 4/10/2010 5:05 AM, H Stang wrote: *Tony,* *Thanks for bringing up this Topic. I knew nothing about RSID. I will start researching the topic. * My pleasure Hal. Check out Andy's QST article in the reflectors files section and Patrick Lindecker's documentation on RSID: http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm ** * I am not sure of the ramifications of the use of RSID but it sounds like it might help me out. * Well, RSID is about 170Hz wide so you wouldn't want to use it within a cluster of PSK31 signals. It's unnecessary anyway since PSK31 is easily recognized. On the other hand, it may not be easy for some to distinguish PSK63F from PSK63 so it best to use it if there's enough elbow room. The majority of modes use more spectrum than the 170Hz RSID anyway so there's no QRM issue there. Simply put, RSID is a short duration digital identifier that precedes the digital mode signal so others can detect which mode is in use. It's not unusual to detect the RSID without actually hearing the mode itself so it is highly sensitive. *I hear a signal and I think it is DominoEx or Olivia or what ever is being sent and I never make the contact or cannot figure out what the mode is. It gets frustrating when you get a really strong signal in the evening , and you think you can work the operator and ragchew for a while.* We've all been there Hal. I'm sure you remember the early days, there were only a few sound card modes to choose from; now there are more than we can count, let alone identify by ear ; ). That's where RSID comes in. Tony -K2MO - Original Message - *From:* Tony mailto:d...@optonline.net *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 7:18 PM *Subject:* [digitalradio] RSID Query All, I was just wondering if there's any confusion or misunderstanding among the group about RS-ID? We all know that it's not always easy to identify a mode by sight and sound yet I still see many calling CQ without any mode identification. The end result, no contacts. I'm sure most of the seasoned digital ops know what RS ID is and what it does, so what's the reasoning behind not using it? Tony -K2MO FLDIGI - Check RX ID / TX ID in upper right corner of program window. Click CONFIGURE / IDS to set preferences. MULTIPSK - Click RS ID / RX RS ID in main window. Click CONFIGURATION / MANAGMENT OF ID's. Check CONTINUOUS DETECTION. Ham Radio Deluxe / DM780 Version 5 Open DM780. Click OPTIONS / MODES + IDs / REED SOLOMON TAB. Check: ENABLE RSID DETECTION / SHOW IN QSO WINDOW AS HYPERLINK SHOW POPUP WINDOW / SHOW RSID BUTTON ON QSO TRANSMIT TOOLBAR No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2801 - Release Date: 04/09/10 14:32:00 __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5014 (20100409) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
RE: [digitalradio] RSID Query
Quite a few seasoned hams still use older forms of software that do not support RSID. Why they chose not to upgrade is beyond me but they have their reasons. I suppose that if all you ever do is RTTY and PSK31, what would be the point in transmitting an RSID? Or upgrading your software? Rick - KH2DF From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 6:19 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] RSID Query All, I was just wondering if there's any confusion or misunderstanding among the group about RS-ID? We all know that it's not always easy to identify a mode by sight and sound yet I still see many calling CQ without any mode identification. The end result, no contacts. I'm sure most of the seasoned digital ops know what RS ID is and what it does, so what's the reasoning behind not using it? Tony -K2MO FLDIGI - Check RX ID / TX ID in upper right corner of program window. Click CONFIGURE / IDS to set preferences. MULTIPSK - Click RS ID / RX RS ID in main window. Click CONFIGURATION / MANAGMENT OF ID's. Check CONTINUOUS DETECTION. Ham Radio Deluxe / DM780 Version 5 Open DM780. Click OPTIONS / MODES + IDs / REED SOLOMON TAB. Check: ENABLE RSID DETECTION / SHOW IN QSO WINDOW AS HYPERLINK SHOW POPUP WINDOW / SHOW RSID BUTTON ON QSO TRANSMIT TOOLBAR
Re: [digitalradio] RSID Query
On 4/9/2010 7:53 PM, Rick Westerfield wrote: Quite a few seasoned hams still use older forms of software that do not support RSID. Why they chose not to upgrade is beyond me but they have their reasons. I suppose that if all you ever do is RTTY and PSK31, what would be the point in transmitting an RSID? Or upgrading your software? Rick -- KH2DF That's true Rick... I just don't understand why so many call CQ with the more 'exotic' modes without some form of mode ID. Did you ever go through all the modes / sub modes to try and figure out which one was being sent - only to have the other party go QRT after you find it : ) Tony -K2MO *From:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tony *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 6:19 PM *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [digitalradio] RSID Query All, I was just wondering if there's any confusion or misunderstanding among the group about RS-ID? We all know that it's not always easy to identify a mode by sight and sound yet I still see many calling CQ without any mode identification. The end result, no contacts. I'm sure most of the seasoned digital ops know what RS ID is and what it does, so what's the reasoning behind not using it? Tony -K2MO FLDIGI - Check RX ID / TX ID in upper right corner of program window. Click CONFIGURE / IDS to set preferences. MULTIPSK - Click RS ID / RX RS ID in main window. Click CONFIGURATION / MANAGMENT OF ID's. Check CONTINUOUS DETECTION. Ham Radio Deluxe / DM780 Version 5 Open DM780. Click OPTIONS / MODES + IDs / REED SOLOMON TAB. Check: ENABLE RSID DETECTION / SHOW IN QSO WINDOW AS HYPERLINK SHOW POPUP WINDOW / SHOW RSID BUTTON ON QSO TRANSMIT TOOLBAR __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5014 (20100409) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
Re: [digitalradio] RSID Query
Did you ever go through all the modes / sub modes to try and figure out which one was being sent - only to have the other party go QRT after you find it : ) Tony -K2MO Everyday, it seems! Andy K3UK
