Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE 400
Howard, There is no installer, so why should there be an unistaller! Please read the Multipsk help to understand how simple it is to run Multipsk. You can install it in a directory, or just run multipsk.exe from the unzipped folder. Nothing could be simpler, and even installers sometimes get it wrong. I prefer the Multipsk approach, because there is nothing to go wrong, regardless of what your computer system configuration is. With all due respect, I think you have it backwards - Multipsk is the MOST professional software available to us as amateurs- more modes than any, and all work well. You have ALE400 and RSID, both of which were invented by the author and both work without a hitch. Please get it right - just say you don't personally like the GUI, but to claim the software is unprofessional, just because the presentation is different from other PSK31 or multimode programs, is completely wrong, in my opinion. However, if you feel that way, please consider that we all are AMATEURS, not professionals and Multipsk is FREE for AMATEUR use - not for sale like many other PSK31 and multimode programs, many written by professionals in the programming or computer field. As you say, you can't get past the GUI to use the program. That is sad, because you are missing out on all the fun using ALE400 and RSID, as well as other programs in Multipsk that are not in any other ham program. 73 - Skip KH6TY Howard Z wrote: Hmmm, Where the uninstaller? Oh, he doesn't seem to have one. I suppose he can't imagine anyone ever wanting to uninstall his software? This is the most unprofessional software I have ever seen. Howard --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, KH6TY kh...@... wrote: Howard, once you get used to it, you can understand why there are so many buttons and colors (to try and group). Just concentrate on the QSO after you have pushed the button you need and it will not feel so unfriendly. There is more to Patrick's program than any other and it is hard to handle all those functions without deep menu structures. The use of buttons and changing button selections is clever and really appreciated once you get used to it. Multipsk is technically nearly perfect and I always come back to it if I have trouble with any other program (which may be simpler looking). 73 - Skip KH6TY Designer of DigiPan Howard Z wrote: MultiPSK = Yick Ugg, can't stand to even look at the user interface. I don't care if his s/w can walk on water - I can't bring myself to use it. The author of MultiPSK needs to think about all the other software he uses, written by professionals, and consider how to make his own software easy to use and pleasant to look at. Yes, I know others may have different opinions. Howard
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE 400
Hello Howard, MultiPSK = Yick Ugg, can't stand to even look at the user interface. I dont understand Yick Ugg but I suppose that it is not a compliment. In French, we say Les goûts et les couleurs ne se discutent pas. It means that if you don't like it you don't use it, that's all. No need to impose your taste. But you give me the opportunity to expose the reason of the interface. I do it the way that corresponds to my needs (and I hope it corresponds to some other needs): * quick access to modes and options without going to menus, * except for some complex modes as Packet or ALE, all the options concerning a mode are directly available using buttons, * as I have no much memory (in my mind not in the PC), many buttons have a hint (i.e. after 1/2 s, mouse cursor over the button) which is, in fact, a contextual help, * many buttons give access to a context sensitive help (i.e. mouse cursor over the button, clicking on the right button of the mouse calls the concerned help), Note: I do this way because I noted that it is really complex to have a pertinent information, through the help, with professional softs as WORD. And the result is that almost nobody uses the Word manual. Now each one must choose according to his/her needs. And it'a a good thing to have a diversity of softs. Where the uninstaller? UNINSTALLATION OF THE MULTIPSK AND CLOCK APPLICATIONS As there is no change in the Windows registers base, these applications can be uninstalled manually (with Windows Explorer) by deleting the folder containing the Multipsk and Clock files. I suppose he can't imagine anyone ever wanting to uninstall his software? This is the most unprofessional software I have ever seen. No need either to be agressive. It's just a soft. Why don't you try to program a decoding/coding soft ? It's pleasant! 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: Howard Z howar...@yahoo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 2:55 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ALE 400 MultiPSK = Yick Ugg, can't stand to even look at the user interface. I don't care if his s/w can walk on water - I can't bring myself to use it. The author of MultiPSK needs to think about all the other software he uses, written by professionals, and consider how to make his own software easy to use and pleasant to look at. Yes, I know others may have different opinions. Howard --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Lindecker f6...@... wrote: Hello Nick, Look at this paper: http://f6cte.free.fr/ALE_and_ALE400_easy_with_Multipsk.doc 73 Patrick http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and spots all in one (resize to suit)Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE 400
Howard, once you get used to it, you can understand why there are so many buttons and colors (to try and group). Just concentrate on the QSO after you have pushed the button you need and it will not feel so unfriendly. There is more to Patrick's program than any other and it is hard to handle all those functions without deep menu structures. The use of buttons and changing button selections is clever and really appreciated once you get used to it. Multipsk is technically nearly perfect and I always come back to it if I have trouble with any other program (which may be simpler looking). 73 - Skip KH6TY Designer of DigiPan Howard Z wrote: MultiPSK = Yick Ugg, can't stand to even look at the user interface. I don't care if his s/w can walk on water - I can't bring myself to use it. The author of MultiPSK needs to think about all the other software he uses, written by professionals, and consider how to make his own software easy to use and pleasant to look at. Yes, I know others may have different opinions. Howard
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE 400 coming out of the woodwork
On 5/16/2010 6:13 PM, n9dsj wrote: I used ALE400 once :) Have you in the log more than once Bill : ) Countless meteor scatter contacts on 50MHz as well! Tony -K2MO --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien k3uka...@... wrote: Hey folks, MULTIPLE ALE 400 QSO on 20M at same time this morning, many new operators thanks to Tony's great work. I just maintained easy links with Texas and Chicago over fairly poor conditions, for a LONG time. Also got some mail, first mail I have received via ALE 400 in a couple of years (other than from Tony!). Most of the action is around 14073 USB. Some hopefully those of us that have used the mode before can help the new folks out by being QRV. Patrick, This article could be a real boost to you very creative application. And __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5117 (20100515) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE 400 coming out of the woodwork
my subjective view , Jim, is that it is almost as robust as Olivia under common weak signal conditions. Andy K3UK On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 12:36 PM, jhhay...@earthlink.net wrote: That's good to hear. I have had only a couple of ALE-400 QSOs but both were very pleasant. I would be participating in this weekend's activity except I'm away from home. Do you have any feel for how robust ALE-400 is versus some of the other modes? Of course it's error-free because of the ARQ, but does it need a better signal than, say, Olivia to get through? Jim W6JVE
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE 400 coming out of the woodwork
Hello Jim, but does it need a better signal than, say, Olivia to get through? The minimum S/N is around -12 dB. It is comparable to the minimum S/N for Olivia 32-1000 or Olivia 8-500. However, below -11 dB, repetitions begin. 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: jhhay...@earthlink.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:36 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ALE 400 coming out of the woodwork That's good to hear. I have had only a couple of ALE-400 QSOs but both were very pleasant. I would be participating in this weekend's activity except I'm away from home. Do you have any feel for how robust ALE-400 is versus some of the other modes? Of course it's error-free because of the ARQ, but does it need a better signal than, say, Olivia to get through? Jim W6JVE http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and spots all in one (resize to suit)Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE-400 - Keyboard mode / ALE
Andy, **However, if ALE-400 ARQ is getting through with error free throughput, what are the chances that Olivia or Thor or some faster mode is getting through with much faster throughput and a only a few errors ? Other than a wider bandwidth, the other mode may turn out more efficient.** That's a good question. If you first start by configuring Olivia and Thor to match ALE-400s 60 wpm speed, you wind up with three modes that have similar minimum signal-to-noise figures and more or less the same robust HF channel characteristics. Running faster versions of Olivia or Thor to surpass ALE-400's speed would decrease the robust quality of those modes even further causing an even greater number of throughput errors. At that point it comes down to whether the print is still readable with the non-ARQ modes under the conditions you mentioned. It's probably a bit simplistic, but I believe the ARQ in ALE-400 can have an advantage over other modes in an apples-to-apples comparison because it constantly checks for throughput errors every few seconds and corrects them as it 'rides' the band changes. When you compare this to non-ARQ modes with similar HF channel characteristics, you realize that a lot of print can be sent by a long-winded operator who is unaware that a large percentage of his message is not making it through; until he turns it over. By that time it's too late and the message needs to be repeated. With ALE-400, checks and balances are made in a matter of seconds for error-free print. Another unique aspect of ALE-400 is it's bilateral operation. Since both stations can type at the same time, text from each station passes back-and-forth ever few seconds allowing the conversation to change directions quickly if need be. The bilateral wpm rate is 85 wpm or 42wpm each way; the standard is 60 wpm unilateral. *I'm waiting for a development where some sort of hand shake or RS-ID initiation at the beginning of a QSO establishes the current SNR. Then on your screen up pops a messages that says... based on the SNR of -11dB THOR11 is recommended, do you want to switch ? That would be something Andy. Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE-400 - Keyboard mode / ALE
Another unique aspect of ALE-400 is it's bilateral operation. Since both stations can type at the same time, text from each station passes back-and-forth ever few seconds allowing the conversation to change directions quickly if need be. The bilateral wpm rate is 85 wpm or 42wpm each way; the standard is 60 wpm unilateral. Tony -K2MO That is a good point and one I am not sure many people are aware of. Much better than taking turns. Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE-400 QSO WID OH7JJT
Hello, we have OH digimode ring, 3590 often ALE 400 beaconing -Tommi OH7JJT Patrick Lindecker kirjoitti: Juergen, Here an extract of the QRGs window: ALE400 (USB) Here after is a non exhaustive list of the ALE400 frequencies: 1837.0, 3589.0, 7037.5, 10141.5, 14074.0, 14094.0, 18104.5, 21094.0, 24926.0, 28146.0, 50162.5, 144162.5 (AF at 1625 Hz). The complete list of frequencies is on http://hflink.com/ale400 http://hflink.com/ale400. 73 and good QSOs Patrick - Original Message - From: dl8le dl...@darc.de mailto:dl8le%40darc.de To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 9:49 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ALE-400 QSO WID OH7JJT 20 m is closing quite early already. Is there any specific qrg on 30 or 40 m? If so I would try as well after 20 / 21 UTC during the week. 73 Juergen, DL8LE --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, Tony d...@... wrote: All, Had a nice ALE-400 QSO with OH7JJT today at 17:00z on 20 meters. He mentioned that there are other OH stations active on this mode and that they work regularly on 80 meters. Tom, WB2YDS was able to connect to OH7JJT as well running 5 watts to a vertical. This is one ARQ chat mode that seems to have a lot of potential. Seems to be gaining popularity. Tony -K2MO Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE-400 QSO WID OH7JJT
Juergen, Here an extract of the QRGs window: ALE400 (USB) Here after is a non exhaustive list of the ALE400 frequencies: 1837.0, 3589.0, 7037.5, 10141.5, 14074.0, 14094.0, 18104.5, 21094.0, 24926.0, 28146.0, 50162.5, 144162.5 (AF at 1625 Hz). The complete list of frequencies is on http://hflink.com/ale400;. 73 and good QSOs Patrick - Original Message - From: dl8le dl...@darc.de To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 9:49 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ALE-400 QSO WID OH7JJT 20 m is closing quite early already. Is there any specific qrg on 30 or 40 m? If so I would try as well after 20 / 21 UTC during the week. 73 Juergen, DL8LE --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Tony d...@... wrote: All, Had a nice ALE-400 QSO with OH7JJT today at 17:00z on 20 meters. He mentioned that there are other OH stations active on this mode and that they work regularly on 80 meters. Tom, WB2YDS was able to connect to OH7JJT as well running 5 watts to a vertical. This is one ARQ chat mode that seems to have a lot of potential. Seems to be gaining popularity. Tony -K2MO Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE-400 in Qso with VE5MU
Rich, Will turn the beam in your direction ok? Tony -K2MO - Original Message - From: rich3x r...@comcast.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:52 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ALE-400 in Qso with VE5MU Hearing Ve5mu until 2040 edst, then QSB down to zero. Never heard one packet from you. de Rich/N2JR --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Tony d...@... wrote: All, In Qso with VE5MU ALE-400 / 14074.0. Time is 23:30z. I'll be here all evening. Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE-400 in Qso with VE5MU
QRV 14074.0 / ALE-400... I'm on the sked page http://www.obriensweb.com/sked/ See you there Rich? Tony -K2MO - Original Message - From: Tony d...@optonline.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE-400 in Qso with VE5MU Rich, Will turn the beam in your direction ok? Tony -K2MO - Original Message - From: rich3x r...@comcast.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:52 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ALE-400 in Qso with VE5MU Hearing Ve5mu until 2040 edst, then QSB down to zero. Never heard one packet from you. de Rich/N2JR --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Tony d...@... wrote: All, In Qso with VE5MU ALE-400 / 14074.0. Time is 23:30z. I'll be here all evening. Tony -K2MO
