Re: FreeBSD Decision
Alessandro Baggi alessandro.ba...@gmail.com writes: Hi list, I don't want make a flame post but I would ask an objective opinion, then not a camp opinion, about using FreeBSD or Debian Linux in a production environment for solution as such as cluster of some service, proxy, SAN, performance, smp with an high number of cpu, PDC, Mail Server (qmail), raid software, security support and hardware support. I'm using Slackware Linux but in production environment there are problem with packages and distro update and other support. Then for you, what is the best for those solutions? we've run both albeit in a small environment. both were excellent and never had any problems whatsoever workstations or servers. we run freebsd for our servers though because the most recent one we got couldn't seem to work the hardware raid card with linux. i generally prefer freebsd for server matters too because it has a 'cleanlier feel' to it. this community was very helpful a couple of years ago in helping me to set things up so i consider that to be another plus. -- in friendship, prad ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
sqlite3 and sqlite34
i'm still on freebsd 7.2 and am wanting to try sqlite. however, in the ftp-archive.freebsd.org repository i see these two versions both of which i can install and seem to work: sqlite3-3.6.11.tbz (this has a non sqlite34-3.4.2.tbz one site said something about 3 having a non-severe problem while this page says: Remove sqlite3-threads and add sqlite34 http://www.freshports.org/databases/Makefile could someone please tell me which one is recommended? i couldn't find anything through google about their differences. -- in friendship, prad ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: sqlite3 and sqlite34
Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org writes: The current version of sqlite3 in ports is 3.7.3, there is generally no reason why you should use an older version. ok i thought i needed to stick to things that i can get from the 7.2 archive. i don't have the ports tree installed, but it's good to know i can just go with 3.7.3! -- in friendship, prad ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: POLL: Linux preferences from FreeBSD users
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:58:15 -0400 Daniel Underwood djuatde...@gmail.com wrote: Of the various modern Linux distributions, which do you prefer? and why? we use archlinux (though we've enjoyed debian and the ubuntus). arch is very clean and fast - rather bsd like in fact. it is very well supported by the community - even before you use it: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_vs_Others -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: backdoor threat
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:52:24 -0400 Bill Moran wmo...@potentialtech.com wrote: And jokes are almost never funny when you don't get them ... quite true. furthermore, i have gotten some ideas from you, bill that had never occurred to me and i appreciate them very much. thanks to your wisdom as well we are examining our requirements for security. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Best practices for securing SSH server
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:16:35 -0400 Daniel Underwood djuatde...@gmail.com wrote: Due to the speed and location of the connection, it's a relatively high-risk target. why does the speed of a connection make it a higher risk? is it because bruteforce techniques can capitalize on the speed? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
backdoor threat
i just received this 'threat' from someone on a forum: +1.2507437628 -- And,yes of course this is a fax, but I could write and execute a script that would have some real fun with it.. Don't you think. Especially from a BSD server ;) You missed a small back door, if you're nice I'll help you close it. ;) i am very curious as to what script this person can write to have fun with a fax number. what are they going to do - send me junk faxes instead of junk emails? however, i'm very curious about the back door. what backdoors are there on what is pretty well a freebsd server default setup? i have disabled password access. there are some php forms, but i use the proper way to set variables. are there other things i should be thinking about? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: backdoor threat
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:39:35 -0400 Bill Moran wmo...@potentialtech.com wrote: Sure. It costs almost nothing to send a fax message, and he could send it over and over and run you out of paper and ink while you're sleeping. Infantile, yes. yes except for the fact that i don't have a fax machine and the number is incorrect anyway :D Sure, there's 10 things. Start by running a nmap scan from a different computer and see what ports are open. Investigate each program listening on those ports to ensure it's properly secured. ok this is really neat! we did the scan and found what the open ports are. so the first one we changed was the ssh. then a friend said he assigns ports that are not used in /etc/services, so i presume this means for instance if we change the http port, we'll have to tell our http server to do business on that port? is this what you mean by ensuring that the program listening on a port is properly secured? or is there something else? Making secure web forms is too complex to discuss in a single email. ok we'll look into this further. we really don't have too many web forms and the forum software we use is punbb which i think they (rickard et al) take good care of. Of course, the someone could just be spouting off. ... Some people brag without being able to back it up. i think this is such a situation. i think the person thought i'd be astonished that he was able to pull my first and last name as well as my address out of a whois search and show them to me :D and by showing me that he can use words like backdoor and BSD, no doubt i should step back and bow to his level of expertise! still, i see this as an opportunity for my son and myself to learn something we really haven't paid much attention to, so we're going to do it! thx for your help bill! -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Wed, 27 May 2009 19:34:04 +0200 Chris Knipe sav...@savage.za.org wrote: Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I no longer use FreeBSD. i really don't understand this. it would make sense for you to ignore the forum, but why take it out on the os? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:30:01 +0200 Chris Knipe sav...@savage.za.org wrote: If you want the world to believe you have a mature OS, *ACT* like you have a mature OS... i think it is a good idea for people to act maturely on forums otherwise we stop communicating and start screammunicating. Why am I still here, replying, reading? Because, I'm INTERESTED. and that's probably the best reason for staying. i think different people have different 'visions' for freebsd and are passionately attached to their own. as long as they express their viewpoint maturely in accordance with proper forum etiquette there is room for the variety of visions. i think you, for instance, have just done so in this concerned and detailed post (that may be the second best reason for not leaving). you've addressed specific matters regarding the image of freebsd. whether others agree or disagree with you is not relevant so long as they 1) express themselves maturely 2) justify their viewpoint rationally -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:20:15 +0100 Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote: - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD fundation and contributors. But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. i don't see the matureness of comments like this. possibly you meant it in a different way. i also don't see what's so wrong about woj's statement. after all this is a freebsd-questions list so presumably there is nothing wrong with his asking to stay on topic. i haven't read through the posts and don't plan on doing so, but if there are wildly ot posts on the thread, i can understand why some people would be concerned. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
rsync approach
we have 2 static ip addresses with a machine running 7.2 connected to each. one is the primary server, while the other does only dns and receives bkp dumps from the first. we want to set things up so the 2nd can be brought on line at a moment's notice. therefore, we are thinking of rsync to duplicate 1st 2nd (with the exception of rc.conf and a few other files of course because we don't want them to be absolutely identical). we plan to allow root login and have disabled all password access so that rsync can preserve permissions. is this a good way to accomplish the bkp job? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Wed, 27 May 2009 17:15:58 -0500 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote: of course it's very mature response :) it was repeated so many times this or similar way at me that it matured! That's actually pretty funny! Nice! yes that is very well done! As far as having the right to post your opinion . . sure . . . but that does not mean that your opinions are just as good as others. of course that goes both ways which is why a certain amount of relevance is a good idea. for instance, on the physicsforums there is a rule that you are to stick with established theories and not go into outer space with pet speculations (not to say new ideas aren't welcome though ... just within context). this is quite understandable since people are interested in physics and not the inner-ramblings of someone's mind. therefore, it seems that keeping the list to fbsd issues is a valid point. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: the pause that removes
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:02:48 -0400 Lowell Gilbert freebsd-questions-lo...@be-well.ilk.org wrote: I've never noticed that large directory trees were instantaneous to remove on any filesystem. that's true too. even fbsd isn't really quick on large trees, but on large files, i get to use my prompt much faster than i do with say debian. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: the pause that removes
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:34:39 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: indeed. FreeBSD actually postpones free space bitmap update. after deleting many gigs of files you'll see disk working after a while. excellent! so is this a freebsd thing or a ufs filesystem thing? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
the pause that removes
one of the neat things i've found about freebsd vs linux is the 'instantaneous' rm. when you remove a large file or a substantial directory, freebsd does it right away ard you get your prompt back, while with every linux i've tried, you wait and wait and wait. i presume freebsd just takes the pointer to the file out so it can be overwritten, while may be the linuxes fill stuff with zeros or something like that?? is this instantaneity a result of the ufs file system vs say ext3 or reiser? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
bsd vs gpl
i've not paid much attention to licensing philosophy i the past, because for me it was always windoze vs the goodguys. however, recently i've become aware of there being a chasm within the goodguys in that the bsd attitude is do what you want as long as you give credit to the creator, whereas the gpl folks say do what you want as long as you keep it free. is this a fair summation? do people here have any thoughts on the two different licenses? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: bsd vs gpl
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:20:18 -0700 prad p...@towardsfreedom.com wrote: do people here have any thoughts on the two different licenses? thank you everyone for your comments on this topic. the links some of you provided were very interesting and helpful. i had no idea there were so many licenses either!!! it is a curious situation that the 'freedom' which insists on propagating itself (gpl), can be argued to be not really free, while 'freedom' without such a restriction can permit its own termination. i like this summation the best: The bottom line is, the GPL is not anti-commercial or anti- capitalistic; it is only anti-proprietary. The BSD license, on the other hand, is very unrestrictive, and allows proprietary knockoffs. Which you choose depends on what you need and what you value. There's nothing more to it than that. (http://slashdot.org/articles/99/06/23/1313224.shtml) now off to establish what we value ... -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
backup files from editor
editors can produce backup files - eg emacs adds a ~ to the backup file. the backup file keeps getting changed as you make changes to the original so you i'm wondering what the point of them is. i turn off backups (so my directory doesn't fill up with ~ files), but then i also don't space things properly and occasionally use cryptic names when programming (from what my son tells me), so i figure i should change some of these bad habits. how do people make use of the backup feature when they program? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free Pascal
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:41:49 +1100 Ian Fitzgerald i...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Can anyone point me to a method of installing Free Pascal Compiler? /usr/ports/lang/fpc or pkg_add -r fpc we use gpc (gnu pascal compiler): /usr/ports/lang/gpc or pkg_add -r gpc -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: OT: saving thunderbird in mbox format
On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:09:31 -0500 Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com wrote: I am looking for someway to export my thunderbird mail boxs if i recall correctly, these are already in mbox format which is readable by other email clients: http://support.detto.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase_a=viewarticlekbarticleid=12 -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
who took my cd drive?
i'm trying to install fbsd71 on a ibm thinkpad i1200 via cdrom. it boots fine from the cd, but then when i choose cd for media it says No CD/DVD devices found! huh?? how so? what can be done? (i can install through nfs so it is not a lost cause by any means, but what's going on here?) -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: who took my cd drive?
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:46:27 -0500 Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: Try the atapicam kernel module. i pushed 6 to get loader prompt and there did boot atapicam but got elf32_loadfile: can't load module before kernel which i thought was weird since in the help boot it says if you don't load the module, it will boot it instead of the default. if i load atapicam then it just boots acpi.ko On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:25:36 -0600 Tyson Boellstorff perl...@windstream.net wrote: I did. I am in ur howse steelin ur 1's. i will count the cats we have. if catcount == catcount + 1: print perlous catastrophe -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Root shell
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:51:32 -0500 Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: I am not necessarily recommending all this, but it is better tham changing the actual root account's shell. besides, you don't really need to, do you? i just log in with su -m and get to use my own account's aliases etc, but as root. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
sshd_config and rsa on freebsd 4.4
on fbsd7 getting in with rsa is easy: RSAAuthentication yes PubkeyAuthentication yes AuthorizedKeysFile .ssh/authorized_keys but on fbsd4.4 PubkeyAuthentication and AuthorizedKeysFile don't exist and you get a bad configuration option error. but if you don't have those there, you get the password prompt because of PasswordAuthentication yes (and if you say no here you don't get in at all) so how did they do it back then? how did they get in using .ssh/authorized_keys?? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: video editor
On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:17:15 -0900 Mel fbsd.questi...@rachie.is-a-geek.net wrote: I've actually had bad experiences with mencoder. well i've been successful in joining, but i think there was a slight deterioration in quality. i likely didn't use it properly, because i simply followed the instructions on that page i found on the web. i'll be examining things more closely and trying different things with it later. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: hp TC4200 tablet
On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:28:19 +0100 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: he has switched to fbsd7.1 and installed /usr/ports/x11-drivers/input-wacom it was compiled without usb support since the tablet uses a serial connection. Are you sure this has a Wacom compatible tablet? presumably it is the same driver that works perfectly on linux. is there anyway to find out if the tablet is actually being recognized? Check if /dev/ttyd0 really exists. Also check dmesg output to see if the device is recognized. here we have a curious problem. /dev/ttyd0 is there in the /dev directory. dmesq puts out the following for sio: sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 8250 or not responding sio0: [FILTER] sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled now we don't understand how the sio stuff relates to the /dev/ttyd0 and /dev/cuad0 The input-wacom driver comes with a couple of programs (see /usr/ports/x11-drivers/input-wacom/pkg-plist) that might be helpfull as well, e.g. xsetwacom. thank you. we just tried a wacdump on /dev/ttyd0 from x and console - both times the entire system froze. what this suggests, i think, is that the kernel thinks there is nothing there at ttyd0 - in other words, the tablet's existence has not been picked up by the kernel. we are presently looking at netbsd where the tablet is supposed to work. may be we can find out something about how the kernel is done differently there. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: hp TC4200 tablet
On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:32:49 +0100 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Could be that the serial hardware is b0rken. Or the serial chip is fried. the tablet works fine with ubuntu. Chek if you have any weird settings for sio0 in /boot/device.hints. ok thx! i got this post on the freebsd forum from kamakazi: The kernel module is really only for wacom tablets. To use the Xorg driver you have to run Xorg without HAL support. Bartosz is working on following the recent Xorg changes, but a lot of things have happened there, so it will take some time for the driver to catch up with that stuff. so it is possible that fbsd7.1 may not be able to handle the tablet. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
understanding freebsd development logic
i am puzzled by what seems to be almost a parallel processor development model that exists with freebsd. when 7 came out people were still working on 6.3 i think it was with the aim of going to 6.4 and now with 7.x underway, there is work being do for 8 (for which you can get a snapshot cd. (i seem to recall something similar with debian too). why would people work on 7.x (and 6.x as well i guess) if 8 is already available? is the idea to make each version 'as good as possible' because it would still be useful for older machines? or is it that later versions can utilize code from the earlier versions? or is it something else? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: hp TC4200 tablet
On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:38:06 +0100 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: so it is possible that fbsd7.1 may not be able to handle the tablet. That's not really a FreeBSD problem, but more an Xorg issue. but we can't even do a wacdump from the console. doesn't that suggest that fbsd7 doesn't pickup the serial connection to the tablet? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: understanding freebsd development logic
On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:39:39 +0200 Giorgos Keramidas keram...@ceid.upatras.gr wrote: The thesis of Niklas Saers is a bit dated now, but it is a wonderful document and it answers this question (including a few others too). I think it will be an interesting read for you: most certainly!! i've been going through it quickly and it is really fascinating to see the historical structure and the development models. specifically, this would seem to answer much: The project provides multiple versions of FreeBSD intended for audiences with different priorities between the newest features and rock solid stability and security. This means that the newest minor release or updates along a security branch are already old in terms of being well tested when they are released. and coordinates well with things some of the other posters to this thread have written. i rather like this approach because it doesn't let the old stuff just die (in fact, we just installed 4.4 on some of our machines) and the idea of backporting is really quite a remarkable concept. i will look at niklas' thesis in greater detail over the next few days, so thank you very much for drawing my attention to it. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: hi
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:07:44 + Saifi Khan saifi.k...@twincling.org wrote: To be popular FreeBSD needs growth. possibly, but being popular is not necessarily a good idea. Growth comes from new users ! neither is growth. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin9?
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:47:23 -0800 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: If I stick with FreeBSD as my main desktop, I want firefox and flashplugin-9. So far, no joy. I have firefox2, and when I try to pkg_delete, I find gnome2 is just one of the dependicies. linux-flashplugin-9 is installed as well as the pluginwrapper ports, but still YouTube won't work. gary, my son just got it all to work according to the directions in the handbook (section 6.2.3): http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html using firefox3 and www/linux-flashplugin9 on fbsd7.1 (note they say you need www/linux-flashplugin7 if you are using an older version of fbsd ... which would explain why i haven't been able to get it to work since i installed 9 on 7.0 ... not that i want to use flash in the first place since there is a great benefit to telling all the irritating people i can't use flash which is that you don't have to watch all the amazing videos they just discovered on the web that they want to share with you as though they think you don't have better things to do with your life than to watch the nonsense they think is wonderful ... therefore, noflash = less bothersome existence). -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin9?
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:28:10 -0800 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: i want video mostly to stream the pbs videos that i miss because i'm often helping my daughter with her homework:-) there is admittedly some really good stuff out there. for instance, my son and i occasionally watch classical pianists and violinist that are available on youtube. he uses flash, but what i do is use downloadhelper with firefox and then convert the file with ffmpeg to .avi and then watch. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
hp TC4200 tablet
my son has a hp TC4200 tablet which worked very well with ubuntu. he has switched to fbsd7.1 and installed /usr/ports/x11-drivers/input-wacom it was compiled without usb support since the tablet uses a serial connection. which is supposed to work, but it hangs the entire system and nothing is being written about it in /var/log/Xorg.0.log the /usr/local/etc/rc.d/wacom script writes the device into /etc/X11/xorg.conf as /dev/ttyd0, but we don't know if this means that the os picks up the tablet or not. is there anyway to find out if the tablet is actually being recognized? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: cups - printer busy; will retry in 10 seconds
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 01:44:09 +0200 Vasadi I. Claudiu Florin claudiu.vas...@gmail.com wrote: I'm really tired of this. If you have any ideas, do tell. the only thing i can suggest at this point (since i have the same problem) is the post from rem: == Do you have devfs.rules in your /etc directory that has this contained within: [system=10] add path 'unlpt*' mode 0660 group cups add path 'ulpt*' mode 0660 group cups add path 'lpt*' mode 0660 group cups There is a whole permissions thing that has to be correct or cups won't play. == here's a link to that thread: http://www.nabble.com/printer-hp-officejet-pro-k8600-to22070484.html i haven't had a chance to look into this yet so i don't know if it is a solution or not. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
video editor
any recommendations for software that can join or split wmv, mpg, avi etc etc? i came across mencoder for joining on this page http://mindspill.net/computing/linux-notes/how-to-join-video-files-in-linux.html but i don't really know much about this sort of thing so i'm looking for suggestions. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: video editor
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:36:19 +0100 t-u-t marshc...@gmail.com wrote: there is versions of hjsplit if u ever used that in windows. i've used a good and simple command line version b4 but i can't remember exactly where it is in ports it maybe hjsplit or lhjsplit. (google to their site). it is lxsplit, but i can't figure out how to work it. i settled on mencoder and installed it from ports since there is no pkg for it. it's a bit of an overkill for my present needs (which have been met) but it looks like something that is worth learning! thanks to everyone for your suggestions. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
printer hp officejet pro k8600
i'm trying to get this printer to work on fbsd7. i have a ppd file, but when i install it cups gives me Filter foomatic-rip-hplip for printer horizon not available: No such file or directory so i pkg_added hplip. then i find out from the hp site that for the k8600 i need hplip-2.7.10 or higher - the one in ports is 2.7.9 so i try to change the version in the Makefile - doesn't work. then i download hplip-2.8.12 from hp and change the Makefile version to that - still doesn't work then i untar it and try ./configure and i get configure: error: cannot find libjpeg support however using make search key=libjpeg (or libjpg) i couldn't find it. even though this post seems to suggest that it exists somewhere: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2006-January/109339.html suggestions? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: printer hp officejet pro k8600
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:54:48 -0500 Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: Have you tried print/foomatic-db-hpijs ? that doesn't do it - same Filter foomatic-rip-hplip for printer horizon not available: No such file or directory complaint. i modified the printer - then i deleted and reinstalled it. part of the problem seems to be that the printer doesn't show up in the hp drivers list even after doing the above or installing hpijs. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: printer hp officejet pro k8600
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:36:12 -0800 prad p...@towardsfreedom.com wrote: then i untar it and try ./configure and i get configure: error: cannot find libjpeg support however using make search key=libjpeg (or libjpg) i couldn't find it. even though this post seems to suggest that it exists somewhere i seem to be a bit closer now. according to this post: http://markmail.org/message/4t5uh4ofneagkiuz libjpeg is linux-jpeg in freebsd and is already installed as linux-jpeg-6b.34 now the question is whether i can use the hplip-2.8.12 ball which is really for linux through emulation. or does anyone know how to get freebsd7 to install a sufficiently advanced hplip-2.7.10+ so that it will work with the hp officejet pro k8600? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: printer hp officejet pro k8600
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:44:18 -0800 Rem P Roberti remeg...@comcast.net wrote: If there is forget about hplip. Download the ppd and plug it in via the cups localhost page. that's what i did the first time. You do have to make sure that you have all of the foomatic files installed. i had foomatic-filters installed, but it was looking for foomatic-rip. not sure how i make sure all foomatic files are there. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: printer hp officejet pro k8600
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:28:03 -0800 Rem P Roberti remeg...@comcast.net wrote: These are the four files that I have installed: foomatic-db-20070124_2 Foomatic database foomatic-db-engine-20070124,1 Foomatic database engine foomatic-db-hpijs-1.4 Foomatic data for the HPIJS printer drivers foomatic-filters-3.0.2_4 Foomatic wrapper scripts thank rem! following your instructions and learning that i had a corrupt ppd file, i downloaded a new one from linuxprinting.org now the rip problem is gone and everything appears as though it should work just fine. unfortunately, cups sees the printer as 'busy' and keeps retrying the test page. i can ping the printer and print to it from both linux and xp machines, but it is showing up as busy even though i shut it off and restarted. i can't seem to print from the console either using lp - the job shows up as processing or pending but nothing prints. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: printer hp officejet pro k8600
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:09:26 -0800 Rem P Roberti remeg...@comcast.net wrote: Do you have devfs.rules in your /etc directory that has this contained within: [system=10] add path 'unlpt*' mode 0660 group cups add path 'ulpt*' mode 0660 group cups add path 'lpt*' mode 0660 group cups There is a whole permissions thing that has to be correct or cups won't play. i don't have a /etc/devfs.rules only a /etc/devfs.conf our lexmark T616 works just fine though through cups. i can put /etc/devfs.rules in, but would i require a reboot afterwards? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
confontation
i need greek letters for math work. latex has the fonts of course, but i don't have the \mu \ro etc on regular programs such as inkscape. i've installed texcm-ttf, but only go a couple of greek letters. mathfonts don't install and i'm really not sure that mathmatica fonts are what i require anyway. there doesn't seem to be a greek letters in ports. any suggestions? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: confontation
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:06:56 +0100 Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net wrote: i need greek letters for math work. Why? i want to be able to put \theta or \mu into a drawing that i create with inkscape. i realize these things are available in xfig, but it would be handy if i could have a greek letter font that could be used by other programs. latex has the fonts of course, but i don't have the \mu \ro etc on regular programs such as inkscape. www.lyx.org the issue isn't with latex where these things are easy to get at. i require greek letters for other programs like inkscape. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: confontation
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:49:36 +0100 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: Was the font named Symbol? I can't remember, it's long time ago. ya i think that might have been it. there is a symbol in xfig. But maybe you can check and find a TTF file that can be imported to X and / or the application you use? i just did that. the mathfont port isn't working, but i went to the mathmatica site: http://support.wolfram.com/technotes/latestfonts.en.html and got the collection. then i put the TTF folder from there as MATH into /usr/local/lib/X11/font and put this into my xorg.conf: FontPath/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/MATH/ so now i have mathfonts! -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: recovering from a power outage
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:45:18 -0800 David Newman dnew...@networktest.com wrote: do I need to boot into single-user mode, what filesystem(s) do I mount and how, what switches if any do I use with fsck and so on. i thought it happens in the background anyway. i don't recall having to do anything other than listen to the drive whirring away - and we've had many power outages! -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:38:26 -0500 Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote: Jerry made a very valid point. i think so too. assuming that constantin was sincere in his request, a simple explanation as to what the difficulties are would have sufficed. we can personally and/or anonymously find such a thing humorous, but it is probably best not to make mockery of this sort of thing publically. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:06:20 -0800 Chris Knight boh...@gmail.com wrote: It is not my intention to flame. that is quite clear and you should not be accused of doing so. I am simply defending my right to make a simple one-liner joke. there is no such right. 'the quality of humor is not strained' You asked a joke question, and I gave you a joke answer. It's all fun and games until someone shouts HITLER!. you have just done so and therefore it is no longer fun and games. time to stop. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:31:42 -0800 Chris Knight boh...@gmail.com wrote: By sending an email to this list, your request was not only sent to thousands if individuals, but it was displayed on the pages of countless websites where the content of this mailing list is redisplayed for public access. Those pages will also be indexed by Google over time, raising the Google-Awareness of your name to even higher levels. i find this to be a good response. i hadn't thought of the 'chain-reaction' effects of posting to a list which is well explained in the above. i was also surprised to see that his name comes up at the top of a google search (already!!) though it doesn't show up at all in my clusty or yahoo or excite search at all. anyone know why? possibly, google does things much faster?? It would not be absolutely impossible to reverse this process this is an interesting thing to think about actually. some people try very hard to get high rankings on google, but fail miserably. i looked into websearch optimization some time ago and recall that you can do 'naughty' things like provide an excessive number of irrelevant keywords and get penalized - not sure if something like that could be applied here. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: apt of freebsd
On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 11:23:50 +0100 Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote: It's probably used for the Linux emulation in FreeBSD, you can't use it with FreeBSD native packages. so what does this mean? if you have linux emulation, you can install .debs from the debian repository? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: KDE: What a monster!
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:25:12 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Now Microsoft can say AndYou all told that linux is so much better, but now we see the truth :D :D :D actually my wife is using kde4 on suse. it's not too bad there for her needs at least, but i try to stay clear of her computer :D i did like kde3, but now i'm a dwm person! -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
technical drawing program
any recommendations? i've tried dia and inkscape. the former seems to be good for flowcharts and general diagrams while the latter is great for all sorts of things, but i'd like to be able to do accurate geometric diagrams and was wondering if something more appropriate is available. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: zip files...
On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 22:48:21 -0800 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: how do i unzip these into the original? hello gary, use unzip filename. if you don't have (un)zip installed you can get them with pkg_add -r zip unzip (assuming you can become root) -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sed question
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:34:10 -0800 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: or is there a better way? nothing specific to add for your particular issue, but this link may be useful in the future for sed: http://sed.sourceforge.net/grabbag/tutorials/ -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:25:29 -0500 Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote: Actually, I like your reference to 'Democracy'. Coming from a socialist, the very thought of an open discussion on any matter that does not fit in your narrow parameters would seem objectionable. there are some serious problems with some people's conception of democracy. narrow parameters shouldn't be regarded as a bad thing necessarily. and openmindedness doesn't do much good if it results in a hole in one's head. Might I suggest that we start with yours. I am all ready creating a KILL filter to rid my INBOX of your useless diatribe. i presume this means there will be no longer be insulting and angry comments directed at woj from you? like this one: Furthermore, I believe that your are the reason that vendors are not more interested in FreeBSD. How could any of them expect to reasonably work with a narrow minded, opinionated, buffoon like you? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:34:20 -0900 Beech Rintoul be...@freebsd.org wrote: Guys, enough! This thread is starting to spam the list. i agree too at this point and apologize for some of my earlier contributions. it is clear there will probably be no resolution between the engaging parties of which a few seem to have lost self-discipline and have been reduced to hurling insults. (despite all this i am glad to see certain posts that were quite educational such as that patent discussion.) since giorgos has made it clear that the list is not moderated, it falls upon all of us to moderate ourselves and act in a reasonable and sensible manner - and stick to the topic at hand. as the zen saying goes even a good thing is not as good as no thing, i think the best some of us can do is not post to this thread anymore. that is the action i will take (however tempting it may be to do otherwise). -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
power management
my son read somewhere that linux does better power management than freebsd. one specific item being that the cpu scaling is more efficiently handled. i don't know much about this stuff so i thought i'd ask here. 1. is there any accuracy to the statement? 2. is cpu scaling a kernel issue? if so, does this mean that the linux kernel has coding in it which deals with the scaling better? 3. are we comparing simple default kernels? can the fbsd kernel be recompiled appropriately to match or exceed the linux one? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: power management
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:20:51 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: IMHO it depends on hardware ya that makes sense at least from reading about different cpu state descriptions here: Everything You Need to Know About the CPU C-States Power Saving Modes http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/611 where they talk about how different cpu's deal with things differently. so since the os software can only use these features, possibly some have optimized for some hardware, but possibly not for others. Simply - install linux, then FreeBSD on same machine and check it :) :D ya that's what's important here at least. not that i'm concerned, i'm not going back to linux (even though i liked it while i used it). -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:54:19 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: in my practice rejecting part of customers (those who are really idiots) make sense. you get say 20% less money for 10 times less work. exactly! proper advocacy on a 'free' (or otherwise) system doesn't mean accommodating ridiculous demands. there needs to be a certain level of sincerity on part of the customers. only the right customers are always right. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:12:28 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I think that can be handled quite easily by community social pressure, and moderation would just set a precedent for it's someone else's job. i don't think that has to happen at all. personally i think self-moderation is best, followed by moderation (which i haven't found to be a bad thing). here the former seems to be dominant because of the quality of people on the list, so it is quite sufficient. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:03:55 + Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: Heh. The customer is /always/ right, even when they're wrong. The difference is that you give the idiot customers exactly what they ask for, and the good customers what they actually need now that is a business model!! if i ever go into business again, i'll have to remember your wise words :D -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:39 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: under windows, but runs under - say - MacOS. In the hypothetical scenario that I would be a Mac user who is happy with his MacOS application, why would I want to bother with Microsoft at all? In the non-hypotethical scenario of You being windows user happy with flash in browsers (or maybe linux - doesn't matter), why do you bother FreeBSD users about it at all?! you exactly confirmed what i said i don't see how your comment applies. giorgos addressed the 2 scenarios A. happy with os1 app, not bother with os2 B. happy with os2, but likes a os1 app so wants to have it ported or find equivalent. i think giorgos is saying that we have scenario B (while your non-hypothetical is really A) where happy fbsd user would like some other os1 app. i don't see anything wrong with that despite my personal feelings about flash. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:43:02 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I'll provide a technical example, as opposed to a social example, so maybe you'll be able to understand my point ... good illustrative examples, chad! i think moderation has value if it is done reasonably. for instance, people who talk about foreign currency values on a freebsd list should be watched very closely. woj made a good point in another post i think in that he's happy helping beginners who really do wish to learn. i know i've come across some who think the world owes them everything and make ridiculous demands on a list (not to mention ot posts - and they aren't even trying to sell you anything!). however, in general i like giorgos' comment the best that he was helped a decade ago and he's returning that favor. so in that respect, i agree with your 'false positives' concern - innocent till proven guilty! anyone know if there are moderators for this list? i know there are some very nice people who keep watch. once i messaged the test list with a ports question (i was having trouble emailing this one - so i was testing to see if there was some problem in general), and a very considerate person from freebsd.org, Remko Lodder, emailed me asking if i knew that i was emailing the test list. i found it really decent that people look out for others here! -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:38:29 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: It's nice people like to help other people, but it's bad it helps them on that lists with OFF-TOPIC problems. agreed! i think these illustrations you present are relevant: - comparision of things that can't be compared, and are not FreeBSD specific, like what is better windoze or KDE i think questions like this come as a result of the asker not knowing the landscape (which is certainly forgivable) or just wanting a quick answer without wanting to understand anything (which is not). more appropriate - how is freebsd better than windoze? btw, just in case anyone is interested this is the page that got to go to freebsd way back when: http://people.freebsd.org/%7Emurray/bsd_flier.html (don't know how accurate it is now, but it is a comparison of freebsd, linux and win2000) i've travelled around a fair bit with both bsds and linuxes, but came back to freebsd. - When there will be 64-bit Nvidia Xorg support - ask NVidia or Xorg team. It's not part of FreeBSD i would think a question like this would be asked by people who don't understand the mechanisms involved specifically that freebsd doesn't provide the drivers and that it is unreasonable to expect the already generous developers to reverse engineer something like this. i don't mean moderation like removing one opinions and not others. agreed. that would be unreasonable censorship. you're reply to another post: If you wish you can call me fuhrer ;) but iwth Gestapo you certainly got too far. :D good response to that unfortunate eruption of enthusiasm. moderation would definitely not be a bad thing in some situations! -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:04:43 +0200 Giorgos Keramidas keram...@ceid.upatras.gr wrote: We have a fantastic postmaster, who is single-handedly managing dozens of mailing lists, replying to posts about email problems for the entire *.FreeBSD.org domain, and making sure that we get as little spam as possible. That sort of service that is so good and so transparent that it is _very_ easy to forget how useful and thankless it is. very true! i've been surprised at the low spam ratio here for sure! we all owe a debt of gratitude to this postmaster. We seem to be doing quite fine without moderation so far. that's pretty cool and certainly says something about the quality of people on this list. the abrasive stuff is minimal as compared to other lists i've been on too. thanks for the info. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:04:21 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: there are excellent opensource software and there are crappy opensource bloatware. just being opensource doesn't mean anything agreed, but we prefer to support opensource from a philosophical perspective even when the quality isn't quite up to scratch. for instance, we use shane hudson's scid which has become chessdb instead of the really excellent chessbase because we preferred to support shane while he was doing scid many years ago. with reference to the desktops, i really don't think the xp offering really compares to either kde or gnome - you can't even get multiple desktops there without third party stuff from what i recall. still some things are available on xp which aren't elsewhere (for various reasons), but i'd rather work around these. actually, i work around kde and gnome too (even though i think they're pretty decent), and use dwm. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:11:48 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I don't recall anyone saying I'm with such-and-such a FreeBSD development team, and these are the reasons we aren't going to do anything about that at this time:. i don't either, but these development teams do exist: http://www.freebsd.org/projects/index.html and so does a mechanism for initiating projects: If you feel that a project is missing, please send the URL and a short description (3-10 lines) to w...@freebsd.org. and i guess as tyson explained there needs to be a balancing of limited resources. On the other hand, their statements *do* imply that *my* position is illegitimate in some way i don't think so. it's more along the lines of we don't need this in light of the priorities. however, i do think michael powell makes a very good point about setting a very dangerous precedent by ending up allowing third parties to have the ability to dictate to the devs what code goes into FreeBSD? this is quite possibly a legitimate concern. Some people don't know that, and are basically told to go away by some people when they bring it up. Still other people suggest alternate approaches to fixing the problem, and are also basically told to go away, when a more appropriate response would be to say I think you should talk to the people at the swfdec and gnash projects about that, in most cases. ok so here's a solution. whenever someone tells people to go away (i don't think it has been done quite that way, but i see little point in going into that here), surely others can point to those who are in the appropriate projects. that way you have the choice of pursuing the matter or seeking an alternative os. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:59:46 +0200 Ivailo Bonev ibb_o...@mbox.contact.bg wrote: What's your problem with Lada?! :-D They make cars (especially Niva) to drive everywhere! well may be they could work on the nvidia drivers. they already have 4 of the 6 letters correct. Just my 2 euro cents... lol ok ok i admit that was a very desperate attempt at a joke. but you must understand that today your 2 euro cents is 3.3 of our canadian cents, so our humor can't go as far. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:02:28 -0500 Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote: Market share increases by making your product more accessible and usable by a larger group of users. you make a good point here, jerry. what i'm wondering about though is if the 'normal' business model should be applied to fbsd or any opensource stuff in the first place. for instance, opensource 'employees' are volunteers whereas the other guys are salaried or on contract. they advertize, while we advocate. and of course they harbor trade secrets, while opensource is open (especially the bsd license). so perhaps the objective of being 'more accessible and usable' really means something a bit different here. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:35:59 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: They do this to hide their hardware faults that way - that's the true reason they do this. this is really interesting. so the 'trade secrets' is largely a smoke-screen. i imagine this would also apply to propriety software as well? this is an interesting article which supports this as well as some other matters: The open and closed case http://www.spider.tm/sep2006/cstory2.html There are even reports of propriety software introducing new bugs or failing to resolve an existing one. Plus, in case of OSS there are no marketing tactics to be followed unlike closed source companies who may not reveal (or may not even know) the exact number of security flaws in their products. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:28:54 +0200 Giorgos Keramidas keram...@freebsd.org wrote: It seems natural to return the favor now, and reply to *all* questions that I can help with; even if their relation to FreeBSD is very 'weak'. i think that is both very generous, appropriate and in keeping with the spirit of freebsd. beastie is after all a daemon would be pleased :) -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:51:22 +1000 Da Rock rock_on_the_...@comcen.com.au wrote: The possibility here is the bells and whistles strangely enough DO work in tune and without sore lips... FreeBSD could be THAT good. i'm not so sure that is really THAT good. bells and whistles if not carefully thought out and implemented can add to instability. possibly more important, they can pervert the original good idea. i think the newer kde's is a case in point (from my personal experience, albeit). version 3 was good (despite the occasional crash). version 4 seemed to try to do all sorts of stuff and outdo windoze at being windoze. i'm using dwm :D i think this issue was dealt with rather well in the openbsd faq: - 1.10 - Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system? This question is often asked in exactly this manner -- with no explanation of what the asker means by desktop. The only person who can answer that question is you, as it depends on what your needs and expectations are. While OpenBSD has a great reputation as a server operating system, it can be and is used on the desktop. Many desktop applications are available through packages and ports. As with all operating system decisions, the question is: can it do the job you desire in the way you wish? You must answer this question for yourself. http://openbsd.org/faq/faq1.html#Desktop - while i agree with you as far as having suitable driver accessibility, i don't see why one system needs to try to be all things to all people. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:09:51 -0800 Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net wrote: The impression I get from the website is that FreeBSD is indeed trying to be all things to all people. Did I miss something? charlie, i think the point of that page is indicated here: Here are some examples of the environments in which FreeBSD is used these are examples of freebsd's versatility, which is not the same as saying freebsd is ubiquitously versatile. admittedly the stuff in red: FreeBSD is an operating system that will grow with your needs. could be interpreted as the all things to all people and i think does may be make a case for providing 'more', but i think that's something best left to be explained by the people at the helm of the ship. and the key point is perhaps right here: FreeBSD users are quite proud of not only how fast but how reliable their systems are. so whatever else, i think this statement is certainly something we can all agree on. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:12:19 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: Please stop trolling. chad, i don't think this is fair to wojciech. he is expressing his feelings and considerable knowledge about an os that he doesn't want to go the way of certain others. i find he writes concisely and backs up his statements. nor do i think there is anything wrong with the concept that if you don't find what you're looking for here, look elsewhere. that's not 'driving people away'. that's encouraging them to figure out what they want and get it where it is available - which is precisely what he and many others have done by going to freebsd. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:20:23 -0800 Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net wrote: Goals are one thing. How much progress you've made toward meeting your goals is another. This thread has been about some things FreeBSD still needs to do in order to meet what do seem to be, after all, some of its goals. true, but goals are not carved in stone - and that might be exactly what wojciech is worried about. i remember reading one of his posts long ago where he pleaded that freebsd not stop being freebsd. Wojciech seems to be denying that FreeBSD has any such goals that require these changes. But his argument implies that FreeBSD is some kind of special-purpose OS with a limited target audience. I don't think that interpretation is supported by the way FreeBSD is presented on its own website. well yes and no. if you look on the features page: http://www.freebsd.org/features.html you can perhaps get a clearer picture of 'goals' (though they aren't as precisely stated perhaps as http://openbsd.org/goals.html). for instance: No matter what the application, you want your system's resources performing at their full potential. FreeBSD's focus on performance, networking, and storage combine with easy system administration and excellent documentation to allow you to do just that. so performance, networking (and presumably serving), storage, administration and documentation would seem to be major matters of concern. looking further we see: ... As a result, FreeBSD may be found across the Internet, in the operating system of core router products, running root name servers, hosting major web sites, and as the foundation for widely used desktop operating systems. so this would seem to clarify specific uses. the last bit about desktops is certainly true - freebsd is an excellent foundation for any desktop use, but that doesn't necessarily mean you get all the goodies thrown in. further: FreeBSD provides advanced operating system features, making it ideal across a range of systems, from embedded environments to high-end multiprocessor servers. possibly the word 'ideal' can suggest the 'all things to all people' notion, but possibly it only means that it does really well in pretty much all situation, but not denying that another os may do better for a specific situation. i have a vague recollection from the past that freebsd felt they had erred with version 5 in that they tried to do too much too soon resulting in 5 not being as good as 4 (particularly 4.7, i think). this is really an area of major concern from a philosophical perspective. in an interview with a german magazine many years ago, bill gates plainly stated that microsoft wasn't too interested in fixing bugs. they were far more interested in providing the stuff the customers want. while that might seem to some like good business sense, it assumes that the 'customer is always right' (which is really another way of saying that the customer is always ripe for the picking). i don't think that's where we'd want freebsd to go. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:30:32 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: for whom? ;) it's just overadvertised nothing more, ya well i'm not trying to do their advertising :D :D i merely copied it from their page. we did use openbsd for 1 yr for our servers and it was ok though some of the default security was irritating (for us). their elist wasn't nearly as good as this one and had some rather perpetually-angry-at-each-other people on it though there was one fantastic guy (nick holland) who was really knowledgeable and helpful to everyone. the real problem we had with openbsd was that the email system became unstable after doing the upgrades to the next version using their recommended upgrade process. in fact, the recommended upgrade process didn't work on when we tried to go to 4.1 for some of the software, which is really pretty weird. openbsd wants you to upgrade. what was surprising and refreshing here was to hear more than one person (and i think you were one of them), say why upgrade if the system is doing the job you want it to. so i'm not upgrading our servers because everything is working absolutely beautifully! having no adventage over FreeBSD in any point. well i thought the 3.9 fish was kinda cute, but beastie is still much better! -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:03:24 +0100 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: In Germany, we have the term eierlegende Wollmilchsau (egg- laying wool-milk-sow) that is indeed a great term! MICROS~1's customers want bugs, they get bugs because they paid for them. :-) :D may be the mac people can use your line here in one of their commercials :D You give them computing power not imaginable 10 years ago, and they treat their system like a worse typewriter and start complaining that it doesn't read their mind... it's really fascinating, isn't it!! Personally, I would say so, or we'll end up here: http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/ I do read along there when I feel sad or angry. Maybe this page helps you, too. :-) i am fortunate in that i don't get sad or angry, but do like reading about other perspectives that a situation may inspire, such as this one from the site you recommend: Tech Support: What version of Windows do you have installed? Customer: ... Double glazed. there really are some true gems on that site, so i'm going to pass it on to others ... the only problem is that some of those others may have done exactly some of those things that are on that site. :D :D -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:11:25 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: His manner of expressing his feelings seems to be to try to crush others' beneath his heel. Try examining the definition of the word fair before you use it in the future. ok, chad, here's what you find on dictionary.com that are relevant: 1. free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice: a fair decision; a fair judge. 2. legitimately sought, pursued, done, given, etc.; proper under the rules: a fair fight. ok no one is really free from bias when it comes to these things. as shaw (i think) once wrote an unbiased opinion isn't worth a damn. i do not think you have provided specific evidence that he has been dishonesty or unjust ... much less so that he has even been incorrect. and as far as 'sticking to the rules', he hasn't abused anyone from any of the posts i recall reading, so within the terms of conduct of an email list, i don't find your picturesque expression 'crush others beneath his heel' legitimate. If he just said If this doesn't suit your needs, try something else, I wouldn't have a problem. Telling people patent falsehoods about how FreeBSD simply can't do what other OSes can, even in cases where FreeBSD can do them *better* than those other OSes, in an attempt to drive away anyone that might be looking at FreeBSD as a possible migration path, is rather suboptimal in my opinion, however. it would be suboptimal, if it were true. however, i really can't recall anything of the sort, chad - ever. and certainly not in this thread. i also don't understand why you think he'd be even motivated to do this. of what possible interest could it be for him to drive others away from freebsd? You talk about how many people have gone where they can get what they want by migrating to FreeBSD, completely ignoring the fact that about half a dozen times in the last year (wild guess on frequency) he has done his level best to dissuade people from even finding out whether FreeBSD is where they can get what they want. perhaps i haven't read those specific posts. if they really do exist and are legitimate beyond your own personal vendetta (which it is seeming to have become for some reason now), could you point me there? What kind of cruel, sadistic bastard tries so hard to prevent people from bettering their circumstances like that? !!??!! chad, have you recently tried examining the definition of the word troll as it pertains to usage on an elist? you have your wishes for freebsd and he has his. they are different, but they don't need to lead to name calling and war. if you don't agree with what he says, then just post your disagreement with backup. he can do the same. may be you'll convince each other - may be you won't. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:28:13 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: Can we stop trying to dissuade people from improving FreeBSD, and from advocating for improvements? i don't think that's really what is happening, chad. i think there is just some disagreement as to what is considered an improvement. Why does everybody seem so eager to assume that FreeBSD isn't, and shouldn't be, a good desktop system? from what i see, that isn't the concern. the concern specifically seems to be twofold: 1. that freebsd not lose its integrity in an attempt to support certain wishes of certain desktop users 2. that desktop usage is possibly not a primary goal and therefore should not detract from development in the other areas i think it is always an excellent idea to talk hardware vendors into providing better specs so better drivers can be produced. this is something the openbsd group also advocated strongly for and it can only be good for all opensource (assuming it be done properly). however, i think the concern your opposition has is that the wishes of the desktop contigent not control the reins of development of an os we all find to be excellent ... so far. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
greater malevolence on their part than actually exists, if you want to win a debate through argumentum ad hominem attacks. i'm not interested in winning this discussion, chad. i do think there are more appropriate ways to behave on an elist that require we don't get into name calling and engaging in the very ad hominem attacks that you so rightly object to. In answer to your question, RTFML (i.e., Read The Fucking Mailing List). nor is there really any need for what is commonly accepted as profanity by a significant number of the population. i don't really think you expect me to go through the mailing list to find instances of what you consider the half a dozen times in the last year ... he has done his level best to dissuade people on the other hand, if you are able to find these 6 references for me since you are sure they exist, i promise you that i will read them. http://catb.org/jargon/html/T/troll.html To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. I think that better fits his consistent statements to the effect that FreeBSD is inferior to MS Windows as a general desktop OS on the FreeBSD mailing list than it does my statement that trying to drive people away from FreeBSD when it might be the best option for them is cruel and sadistic. I used hyperbole; he said things that seem calculated to draw flames. on the other hand, some of the words you have used (hyperbole notwithstanding), do ignite the fire - it is likely we wouldn't be engaged in this discussion if more appropriate words were used. I'm done trying. I guess, when someone offers a supported argument, he simply ignores it -- and therefore doesn't have to admit to having been effectively disputed. chad, i think it's great that you are such an opensource advocate. i think there is little doubt wojecieh is too. i happen to agree with him on this freebsd matter though and i haven't found your arguments convince me otherwise. nor have i found some of your comments about him either accurate or appropriate. perhaps, some others feel the other way around because of your posts. i think you and i have exchanged enough information on this topic, so if you are done trying, i won't continue this beyond this post since i think we are both possibly polluting the list at this stage. (if you do wish to continue discussing, you are welcome to email me privately.) -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:58:14 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated graphics is not an improvement, and should therefore not be considered a worthy goal? no. access to hardware probably is a worthy goal, however, you need people to write the software and it's up to the freebsd team(s) to determine if 3d graphics is or is not worthy, isn't it? This is completely orthogonal to the question of whether people who express a desire for better support for desktop functionality should be excoriated publicly on this mailing list, and spanked for having the audacity to want to migrate from MS Windows to FreeBSD for use as a desktop OS. this is a pretty nice list and i haven't found much spanking going on here. I agree that desktop usage should not take priority over more fundamental quality concerns in FreeBSD development. Telling people to stick it in their ear when they say it would be nice to have Flash support is not related to the ability to prioritize development goals, though. i agree that telling people to stick it in their ear is not nice, but i don't recall anyone doing so. unfortunately, if i ask for evidence regarding this, you'll probably just tell me to RTFML as you did in your other reply. Desire for better desktop functionality doesn't have to equate to wanting desktop-oriented development to control the reins of development for the whole system. Why the hell do you seem to think it does? i don't know why you think that's what i think. what i said was that was a concern. i certainly do know that in other areas (computer education for instance), user convenience has destroyed technical know-how (specifically, at some schools when the graphic interface emerged in the 80s, word-processing dominated programming and the some schools lost their thinkers). microsoft's catering to user desires has produced some rather inferior software too. may be it doesn't have to be that way, but often there is a price to be paid for 'convenience'. Hell, I think the more server-oriented development philosophy of FreeBSD is actually a big part of the reason it works so well as a desktop OS! Maintaining a more server-oriented development philosophy in *no way* precludes giving some attention to strictly desktop-related functionality, though. perhaps, but if you have a server-oriented philosophy, why would you give much attention to desktop-related functionality? i recall on the openbsd elist a couple of years ago people asking what wm is best. most of the answers went something like - the default twm (i think that's what it was) or fluxbox was all i need. Pretending the two are incompatible goals, as a few notable people here seem to want to do, is counterproductive in my opinion. not necessarily. one group is saying we have a great os, so it would be even better if it could accommodate some of the fancy stuff that the kdes and gnomes etc offer even more. the other group is saying why bother, because who really needs it and if they want it they can get it elsewhere. i think the concern of the latter group is by no means illegitimate, because time and resources aren't unlimited. on the otherhand, as i vaguely recall on a flash thread, someone said no one is stopping anyone from writing a better flash for freebsd if they really want to. i think it is ok to ask, but i don't think it is ok to expect. for me, freebsd is a gift and i don't have any expectations from those who put the effort and skill into creating any opensource initiative. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:35:17 +0100 Uwe Laverenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who is most freebsd users? i would think most are interested in running servers or routers or possible scientific applications or engaged in os study and appreciate its simplicity and consistency. i don't think it can compete with linux in terms of some of the bells and whistles that the desktop offers, but imho, a lot of those bells ring out of tune and the whistles result in sore lips. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Regular Expression Help
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:14:53 -0800
Drew Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm attempting to take an ldiff file and flip first/last name order.
you can try using sh (i'm using zsh)
file data.txt has the following:
joe brown
joe brown-smith
file t.sh is coded as:
#!/usr/local/bin/zsh
#
while read var; do
f=${var% *}
l=${var#* }
echo $l, $f
done $1
then you just run it as
t.sh data.txt
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Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:20:47 +0100 FBSD UG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better? If FreeBSD becomes popular we'll have to deal with it sooner or later this is possibly good advice, but i think that wojciech makes a valid warning and, imho, i think it is inappropriate to suggest he is trolling simply because he is repeating a his point (as some others have). while there may be some benefit to freebsd becoming 'popular', it would be unfortunate if it did so in the way windoze or even certain linuxes have become 'popular'. imho, it is better to stay small offering quality and bring others up to a standard, rather that walking down the windoze-wannabe lane. we tried various linuxes, openbsd, netbsd and found them all good in many respects (we tried windoze too for that matter and even liked win95 and win98 a decade ago), but we settled on freebsd for both our server and our desktop (my son uses ubuntu because of certain graphic and hardware advantages) because we found it cleaner and simpler. (so i don't get to do some things that i could on say kubuntu, i still prefer freebsd. i don't use a desktop for instance, i use dwm instead.) personally, while having 'goodies' may be nice, maintaining the integrity of an os (and i'm not talking about coding), seems to me to be more important. and of course one of the best things about freebsd is the tone of this list. people here are both helpful and honest, the 2 do not have to be mutually exclusive. i see no reason why freebsd needs to imitate something it doesn't want to be just to offer goodies and grab more followers. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: root /etc/csh
On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:46:57 +0100 (CET) Pieter Donche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could change the startup shell in /etc/passwd, but would that be a wise thing to do or not? we use zsh, but have left the root shell the way it is. if something goes wrong with zsh (or whatever), then it may be difficult to get in as root, possibly. besides, we can still become root with su -lm l for Simulate a full login ... and m for Leave the environment unmodified. The invoked shell is your login shell, and no directory changes are made ... -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question on creating a video server
On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:40:26 -0800 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone done this with FreeBSD and open source software, and has recommendations on what hardware to get and what software works with it? we found it awkward to do it on freebsd so used kubuntu. we tried lifeview flyvideo 2000 tv card which worked fine with mythtv and kdetv, but couldn't pick up the cable station we think due to our location in canada. for ripping we used perl's dvd::rip. our harddrive can't hold too many shows so we just use the dvd player on the computer now to play them. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
running linux programs
if i want to run a linux program that is not offered in the linux-* collection, can i compile it so that it will be run through the emulator rather than as a freebsd program? for instance, i want to run chessdb (a maintained version of scid which is in the ports) and there is a tarball for unix: ChessDB-3.6.18.tar.gz UNIX/Linux tarball. (http://chessdb.sourceforge.net/downloads/) but it doesn't seem to compile properly on freebsd. i was wondering if i could compile it in linux, but there doesn't seem to be any compiler present in /compat/linux ... -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: running linux programs
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:30:04 -0500 Glen Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but it doesn't seem to compile properly on freebsd. What errors do you get? What `./configure' options do you give it? i think i've solved the problem. there were certain alterations to the Makefile i had to do and twiddle with a couple of other things, but it works now compiled on freebsd. however, can i compile a linux program within the linux emulator instead of using the gcc in freebsd? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: running linux programs
On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:47:21 +0300 Boris Samorodov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: emulators/linux_dist-gentoo-stage* are used for this. so what i should do then is install one of the 3 dist-gentoo-stages? or do these work the same way as the gentoo stages - i seem to recall i just did gentoo from stage 2 or 3 many years ago. will this give me the gentoo emerge environment? will this be a separate /compat/linux directory from what i got when i simply put on linux-opera? is there a wiki on linux emulation anywhere? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:57:17 + Glyn Millington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Lear to his daughters Goneril and Regan, King Lear, Act 2, Scene 4, lines 263-285) glyn, it is evident from lines 283-285 that lear used windoze. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bluefish question
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:47:14 -0700 Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and/or is there an easier markup editor in ports? hi gary! i tried bluefish, but didn't like it personally. kde's quanta is excellent and has lots of convenient features and uses the very advanced kate as a basis - you don't have to run kde in order to run kde programs. if you liked bluefish, i think you'll really like quanta. despite my fondness for quanta, i have ended up using emacs for the past several years with the built-in html-mode (or you can splurge with html-helper mode, though i found it a bit too elaborate). emacs might take a bit more work to figure out in the beginning but it is a really good all-purpose editor because it is as extensible as it is. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Formatting dates to a specific pattern
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:52:07 +0300
Ivan \Rambius\ Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I need to format the current date (as returned by date(1) ) to the
pattern m-d-, where m is the month in one or digits, d is the day
in one or two digits, and is the year in four digits. The problem
for me is the day and the month, for example August should be 8, and
not 08, and 5th of September should be 9-5-2008 and not 09-05-2008.
hello rambius!
you can give this script a try - it seems to do what you want and
has comments too. save it as de0.sh, chmod +x it and run it as
./de0.sh `date +%m-%d-%Y`
(there are no doubt better ways to do what you want especially if you
use a more advanced shell like zsh, but this may be sufficient)
==
#!/bin/sh
# removes 0 from mm-dd-
# run with ./de0.sh `date +%m-%d-%Y`
#the whole date from argument $1
mmdd=$1
#get the year
=${mmdd##*-}
#get the month and day
mmdd=${mmdd%-*}
#get the day
dd=${mmdd#*-}
#get the month
mm=${mmdd%-*}
#remove 0 if only at beginning of month, day and add on the year
echo ${mm#0}-${dd#0}-$
==
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defrag
something that has puzzled me for years (but i've never got around to asking) is how does *nix get away without regular defrag as with windoze. fsck is equivalent to scandisk, right? so when you delete files and start getting 'holes', how does *nix deal with it? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
which linux emulator?
in ports there is fedora and gentoo. any opinions on preferences? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Execute the command when login
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:00:13 +0200 Matthias Apitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could launch it from ~/.xinitrc for example as: xmodmap.sh exec startkde i tried to do that with ion and it didn't work which came as a surprise. however, i will try it again and maybe with a different wm. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Configuring an older server for speed...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:39:05 -0500 Ryan Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would recommend fBSD 6.3 instead of 7. You don't need it, unless you have a documented reason it has to be 7.0 really?! i thought 7 was supposed to be a big improvement over 6.3: Dramatic improvements in performance and SMP scalability shown by various database and other benchmarks,in some cases showing peak performance improvements as high as 350% over FreeBSD 6.X under normal loads and 1500% at high loads. http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/announce.html we've had a lot of trouble though installing 7 on some of our older machines (6.3 is easy and worked well too) because the cdrom doesn't always cooperate. but we got it to work with some extra effort, because we thought it would be better. is it possible that the older versions work better on older machines? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: second pre-emptive raid: stripes and the os
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:56:57 -0700 prad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: based on the excellent ideas from the first pre-emptive raid thread we have been considering raid1+0 or raid5 for our server our server just arrived today!! and there was an unexpected surprise in it - a raid card mylex extreme raid2000 which worked right away. does anyone know about the quality of this card? so we will be using that instead of software raid, though i still would like to know how you setup a stripe and keep the os on it. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
searching freebsd-questions Archives
i've gone to freebsd-questions Archives: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/ and tried typing all sorts of things in the search box and playing with the other fields (eg all and any, but i always get No matches were found for '...' how is one supposed to use the search in the archives? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
