Re: blu ray recorders
On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 01:08:02 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: Even Windows can then see it properly, but FreeBSD shows multiple files. Try filing a PR against it. Perhaps somebody might actually look into it. i've got info it is already known, but thanks anyway. Really, what PR is that? I could not find one that specifically dealt with it; although I most probably missed it. Obviously you must know which one it is. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:52:56 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 02:45:53PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: Generic skills aren't recognized because they're hard to judge and test for. People want quantifiable, objective things to weed out applicants. This is also why credit scoring has become so popular -- sure, someone's credit score may not tell whether they'd be a good employee or not, but it's a convenient, objective way to throw out a bunch of resumes. Indeed -- and the employer who bucks this trend does him/her self a huge service, because large numbers of very skilled and/or talented people are being rejected on entirely arbitrary criteria that have little or no correlation to their ability to do the job. People who use such critera are forcing themselves to compete with everyone else in the industry using the same criteria, leaving a glut of job candidates who would be great at the job waiting for someone else to give them a chance. Wouldn't it be far easier for this glut of job applicants to either become proficient in the skills stated in the job description for which they are applying or do what everyone else does; i.e. lie on their résumé. If the mountain will not come to Mahomet, Mahomet must go to the mountain. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:32:24 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 06:43:06PM -0400, Jerry wrote: On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:52:56 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 02:45:53PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: Generic skills aren't recognized because they're hard to judge and test for. People want quantifiable, objective things to weed out applicants. This is also why credit scoring has become so popular -- sure, someone's credit score may not tell whether they'd be a good employee or not, but it's a convenient, objective way to throw out a bunch of resumes. Indeed -- and the employer who bucks this trend does him/her self a huge service, because large numbers of very skilled and/or talented people are being rejected on entirely arbitrary criteria that have little or no correlation to their ability to do the job. People who use such critera are forcing themselves to compete with everyone else in the industry using the same criteria, leaving a glut of job candidates who would be great at the job waiting for someone else to give them a chance. Wouldn't it be far easier for this glut of job applicants to either become proficient in the skills stated in the job description for which they are applying or do what everyone else does; i.e. lie on their résumé. If the mountain will not come to Mahomet, Mahomet must go to the mountain. 1. Pretty much every employer has a slightly different list of keywords. I guess you think all these job candidates should learn every skill in the world. No, I think they should learn the one(s) most sought after in their chosen field. If 90% of the potential openings in a specific field are requesting proficiency with MS Word, what do you think any legitimate applicants should become proficient in? 2. Lying is bad. Go fall in a hole, now. Yes, but it is never-the-less the norm on way too many resumes. I have read where it is estimated that 1 out of every 3 is either a gross over statement of fact or just a complete fabrication. My own (original) resume, written by a professional resume writer many years ago, absolutely astounded me. I had no idea I was as proficient and skilled in so many areas. As the writer explained, it is not what you say but how you say it. Just because I once wrote a two page article that got published in a cheap magazine does not mean that I am an accomplished author with numerous credits to my name -- or does it? -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:58:40 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 01:57:10PM -0400, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:32:24 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 06:43:06PM -0400, Jerry wrote: On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:52:56 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 02:45:53PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: Generic skills aren't recognized because they're hard to judge and test for. People want quantifiable, objective things to weed out applicants. This is also why credit scoring has become so popular -- sure, someone's credit score may not tell whether they'd be a good employee or not, but it's a convenient, objective way to throw out a bunch of resumes. Indeed -- and the employer who bucks this trend does him/her self a huge service, because large numbers of very skilled and/or talented people are being rejected on entirely arbitrary criteria that have little or no correlation to their ability to do the job. People who use such critera are forcing themselves to compete with everyone else in the industry using the same criteria, leaving a glut of job candidates who would be great at the job waiting for someone else to give them a chance. Wouldn't it be far easier for this glut of job applicants to either become proficient in the skills stated in the job description for which they are applying or do what everyone else does; i.e. lie on their résumé. If the mountain will not come to Mahomet, Mahomet must go to the mountain. 1. Pretty much every employer has a slightly different list of keywords. I guess you think all these job candidates should learn every skill in the world. No, I think they should learn the one(s) most sought after in their chosen field. If 90% of the potential openings in a specific field are requesting proficiency with MS Word, what do you think any legitimate applicants should become proficient in? Right -- because all the keywords you need will always be Microsoft Word. Admit it: you're just making up half-baked excuses to disagree now. If the requirement is for proficiency in MS Word, Excel or whatever and you lack those skills then you are not qualified for the job. Period. If those skills are the ones most requested then the applicant should learn them. It doesn't get any simpler than that. If a job required proficiency with 3+ years minimum experience in c++ and you only had knowledge of Pascal, would you still believe you were qualified? 2. Lying is bad. Go fall in a hole, now. Yes, but it is never-the-less the norm on way too many resumes. I have read where it is estimated that 1 out of every 3 is either a gross over statement of fact or just a complete fabrication. My own (original) resume, written by a professional resume writer many years ago, absolutely astounded me. I had no idea I was as proficient and skilled in so many areas. As the writer explained, it is not what you say but how you say it. Just because I once wrote a two page article that got published in a cheap magazine does not mean that I am an accomplished author with numerous credits to my name -- or does it? No, it doesn't. Maybe an accomplished author with one credit to your name. Amusingly, that'll turn out to be a great way for employers to notice you're exaggerating with that accopmlished author bit, too. Only by lying (numerous credits) can you allay suspicions for a moment in those credulous enough to not ask for samples (which absolutely does not make it okay). Now you are being naive. There are numerous examples of people in both corporate and government jobs that have made out right lies as to their education, etcetera. Some of those frauds have gone undetected for years. The majority of resumes for entry level jobs are rarely if ever given more than a perfunctory look. The bottom line is if you want a job, you either learn or acquire the criteria required for the job, or find a way to BS your way into it and hope you can pull it off. No legitimate employer is going to change his criteria to accommodate your skills. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:33:29 -0700 David Brodbeck articulated: Again, this is one of the reasons credit scoring is becoming so popular -- it's an almost automatic way to narrow down the pile. Another method in common use right now is to throw out applications from anyone who's currently unemployed, and only look at ones who already have a position and are looking to change jobs. I have been told by several people in HR that the trend to give preference to those all ready working as opposed to the unemployed is based on the philosophy that if no one else will hire them, then why should we. While we could argue whether that logic is flawed, it is never-the-less presently in use. However, it doesn't really pertain to entry level openings. With the glut of individuals entering the job market, for an applicant to not be proficient in the skills being advertised for by the prospective employer is just a waste of time. If the employer is looking for skill A and B, crying to him/her that you have skill C is just a waste of both your times. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U
On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:41:18 +0200 Polytropon articulated: On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:46:52 -0400, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:58:40 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 01:57:10PM -0400, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:32:24 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 06:43:06PM -0400, Jerry wrote: On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:52:56 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 02:45:53PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: Generic skills aren't recognized because they're hard to judge and test for. People want quantifiable, objective things to weed out applicants. This is also why credit scoring has become so popular -- sure, someone's credit score may not tell whether they'd be a good employee or not, but it's a convenient, objective way to throw out a bunch of resumes. Indeed -- and the employer who bucks this trend does him/her self a huge service, because large numbers of very skilled and/or talented people are being rejected on entirely arbitrary criteria that have little or no correlation to their ability to do the job. People who use such critera are forcing themselves to compete with everyone else in the industry using the same criteria, leaving a glut of job candidates who would be great at the job waiting for someone else to give them a chance. Wouldn't it be far easier for this glut of job applicants to either become proficient in the skills stated in the job description for which they are applying or do what everyone else does; i.e. lie on their résumé. If the mountain will not come to Mahomet, Mahomet must go to the mountain. 1. Pretty much every employer has a slightly different list of keywords. I guess you think all these job candidates should learn every skill in the world. No, I think they should learn the one(s) most sought after in their chosen field. If 90% of the potential openings in a specific field are requesting proficiency with MS Word, what do you think any legitimate applicants should become proficient in? Right -- because all the keywords you need will always be Microsoft Word. Admit it: you're just making up half-baked excuses to disagree now. If the requirement is for proficiency in MS Word, Excel or whatever and you lack those skills then you are not qualified for the job. Period. There are two problems hidden: 1. You typically cannot learn proprietary products for free. Of course there are books and online material to help you, but you cannot try the software. You have to buy it, and you have to buy the OS that supports it. There is no (legal) way for autodidacts to make theirselves familiar by learning and doing. Irrelevant. You cannot learn to be a doctor, lawyer, physicist, etcetera sans an education. Unless you have managed to acquire a free ride, i.e. you are getting the education on someone elses dime, you will need to pay. Quite frankly Poly, I would have expected a better argument from you than that. It was really quite bogus. 2. There are many different versions, so when you encounter Microsoft Word as a required skill, you cannot be sure that the skill _you_ have will be the right one. You know that products like Word differ from version to version. And of course they highly differ from established and standardized ways of doing things, so your generic knowledge (e. g. acquired by learning and doing OpenOffice or StarOffice or Abiword) isn't fully portable simply because of the arbitraryness of how Word does things. arbitraryness [sic} is one way of describing it. Since MS Office is the de facto standard it can be stated that the other entries in the word processing field are guilty of arbitrariness in their approach to the matter. For the record, would you please point me to the RFC that gives the requirements for a word processor. I must have missed it somewhere. By the way, have you noticed that StarOffice, OpenOffice nor Abiword all work exactly the same either? Are they guilty of arbitrariness? Come to think about it, FreeBSD does not work the same as Ubuntu or linux. In fact, none of them work exactly the same. Quick Poly, call the Arbitrariness Police?. This must be nipped in the bud immediately. But let's rest the Word case. There is other software much more expensive and far less present on home systems to do and learn. Oracle databases, Enterprise Java Frameworks or SAP are just a few examples. There are _courses_ that you can attend in order to learn more. For example, such courses cost 2000-10,000 Euro here. This is nothing that poor people can afford, even though they are highly skilled IT nerds. For the most part, I fully concur with you. Several years ago my wife was required to take a course in Microsoft Office Access in order to get a promotion in her job. The course only cost $49 and was given over, if I remember correctly, four or six nights over a two week period
Re: bsdpan-* ports, portmanager, and @comment ORIGIN:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 12:25:39 -0400
Daniel Staal articulated:
{SNIP}
Which would be fine, if annoying, if everything actually was available
in Ports. But it's not: I'm using several modules that aren't
available from Ports, and of course the modules I'm *developing*
aren't available from Ports.
Which specific modules are not available? In the past I had to port a
few Perl modules into FreeBSD or else install them via CPAN as you have
done. If it is a simple module, I can show you how to do it or make a
port for it myself. Also, you should be aware that many modules are
available in the ports system, but not under the correct CPAN name.
Don't ask why; I did once and got so much BS that I just abandoned the
question.
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Re: bsdpan-* ports, portmanager, and @comment ORIGIN:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:23:23 -0400 Daniel Staal articulated: --As of April 29, 2012 12:46:52 PM -0400, Jerry is alleged to have said: Which would be fine, if annoying, if everything actually was available in Ports. But it's not: I'm using several modules that aren't available from Ports, and of course the modules I'm *developing* aren't available from Ports. Which specific modules are not available? In the past I had to port a few Perl modules into FreeBSD or else install them via CPAN as you have done. If it is a simple module, I can show you how to do it or make a port for it myself. Also, you should be aware that many modules are available in the ports system, but not under the correct CPAN name. Don't ask why; I did once and got so much BS that I just abandoned the question. --As for the rest, it is mine. I'm still in early development, so the list is likely to grow as the project moves along. The main one that's causing me trouble at the moment is CGI::Application::Plugin::CompressGzip, although I've noticed that several others of the CGI::Application set that look interesting and useful aren't in the ports system. And, of course, there is the modules I'm developing for this project. Making ports for each one feels like a band-aid though: It's a 'solution' that's just going to grow in complexity and scope the longer it goes on, and isn't really fixing anything other than the individual symptoms. A real solution to me would either be a way to get @comment ORIGIN: to automatically populate in the bsdpan-* (CPAN) module install process, or a way to get portmanager to ignore modules installed via that process. UNTESTED: In the /usr/local/etc/portmanager/pm-020.conf file, add the specific port(s) you are trying to bypass. EXAMPLE: IGNORE|www/tidy| Again, this is untested, but I have used it for other ports that I needed to skip. I will have a look at the CPAN module: CGI::Application::Plugin::CompressGzip later today or tomorrow and see if I can make a port of it for you. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: firefox is marked as broken?
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:29:40 -0600 (MDT) Warren Block articulated: On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Jong-Beom Kim wrote: I have installed FreeBSD 9.0 last night and so far, so good except firefox installation. it simply doesn't build with this message. # make install clean === firefox-12.0,1 is marked as broken: does not build. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/firefox. is it just me or is firefox really broken currently? Turn off the PGO option. Maybe it is just me, but trying to live by the KISS principal as much as possible, wouldn't it have been easier, and saved a lot of chatter to have just disabled the option and removed it from the Makefile? A splash screen could have been used to alert the user that the option was turned off. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Performance and mouse problems
On Wed, 2 May 2012 13:19:05 -0400 (EDT) d...@safeport.com articulated: On Wed, 2 May 2012, Warren Block wrote: On Wed, 2 May 2012, Albert Shih wrote: I think the problem is indeed comme from Xorg. Just to repeat: on this Gateway notebook, only one or the other of the touchpad or mouse would work until I enabled moused in /etc/rc.conf. Now either or both work, including when the USB mouse is connected after X starts. My experience corresponds with Warren's thoughts on this. I was running the exact levels of software on an old Dell 800Mhz desktop and new aDell laptop many many times faster, 4 cpu's etc, etc. HAL (which is well named I think) did not work very well on the laptop and I would lose the mouse and keyboard when I disabled the touchpad. On the Desktop HAL worked fine. The laptop (keyboard and mouse anyway) works fine without HAL. HAL is now deprecated on GNU/Linux systems. Why it is still being kept on life support in FreeBSD is the question that needs to be addressed. This didn't just happen yesterday either. We continue to bump version numbers yet fail to repair/replace crucial elements of the operating system. What is even better, depending on whose forum you choose to read, the problem is FreeBSD -- Linux -- Gnome -- KDE -- The Cat in the Hat (no one has blamed Microsoft for this fiasco as far as I know) yet the problem still exists. Since 2008, when HAL was being deprecated, no one has properly addressed the problem. Everyone plays the blame game. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Best mail setup for home server?
On Sat, 05 May 2012 10:21:10 -0500 Joshua Isom articulated: I currently use my FreeBSD system as my generic unix server and some coding, along with occasional multimedia. I'd installed postfix years ago and kept using it. Right now, I use getmail with cron, dspam, and dovecot to handle my gmail account. I've never set up outgoing mail which makes changing email clients, or devices, annoying. Currently postfix is set to use dovecot's deliver command so that dovecot can sort and handle it. Before I deal with setting postfix to relay the mail, dealing with firewalls and other possible issues, is there a better alternative? I'd prefer that local mail just works even if I lose internet, and any email that gets as far as my server will at least eventually mail. The archlinux wiki seems to suggest ssmtp doesn't work properly with attachments. Instead it recommends msmtp, which requires an active internet connection to use. Dragonfly's dma is local only to the computer and not the LAN. Are the only options configuring sendmail or configuring postfix? If you only have a dynamic IP, you might want to investigate something like: http://dyn.com/; or a similar service. Attempting to send mail from a dynamic IP will usually result in it being marked as Spam and discarded or just being outright refused by an up-line MTA. Personally, I would stick with Postfix, obviously the latest version. It is far easier to configure than Sendmail and you can actually speak with its author if a problem arises. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ The Wright Brothers weren't the first to fly. They were just the first not to crash. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: securing MySQL: easiest/best ways?
On Tue, 08 May 2012 15:34:02 +0100 Matthew Seaman articulated: Sounds almost as if the my.cnf you've been editing is not the my.cnf that your mysql instance is using. IIRC there was some talk about moving from the usual BSD-ish /var/db/mysql/my.cnf to /usr/local/etc/my.cnf (no doubt under some insidious influence from Linux.) The first time I ever looked for my.cnf I had expected to find it in /usr/local/etc. Since so many configuration files are stored there, it just seemed like a natural place for it to be located. IMHO, a centralized repository for configuration files greatly simplifies system maintenance. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: securing MySQL: easiest/best ways?
On Tue, 08 May 2012 21:51:49 +0100 Matthew Seaman articulated: On 08/05/2012 20:55, Jerry wrote: On Tue, 08 May 2012 15:34:02 +0100 Matthew Seaman articulated: Sounds almost as if the my.cnf you've been editing is not the my.cnf that your mysql instance is using. IIRC there was some talk about moving from the usual BSD-ish /var/db/mysql/my.cnf to /usr/local/etc/my.cnf (no doubt under some insidious influence from Linux.) The first time I ever looked for my.cnf I had expected to find it in /usr/local/etc. Since so many configuration files are stored there, it just seemed like a natural place for it to be located. IMHO, a centralized repository for configuration files greatly simplifies system maintenance. Yeah. It's no big deal. But... Maybe you want to run more than one instance of mysql on the same machine. Or you want to move the data directory lock, stock and barrel onto a different server. Maybe it's some ultra fancy fail-over setup with a data dir shared between two servers. Keeping the configs with the data does have a few advantages. Actually, it has a lot of advantages. I only run one instance of MySQL; however, for multiple instances, keeping the configs in one location would probably not be advantageous. Someone else mentioned creating a link for the my.cnf file. Since I never touch the my.cnf file once MySQL is setup, I probably would not bother with it, although it is an interesting idea. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Cloud software ?
On Fri, 25 May 2012 12:59:19 +0200 Frank Staals articulated: As others have also already hinted at, I think you should be more specific about what you want your ``cloud software'' to do. Without that you will get K answers suggesting some software system that try to solve K completely different problems. My part in those K different answers: maybe OwnCloud[1] does something what you would want? I fully concur with Matthew's assessment, Isn't 'private' essentially the antithesis of 'cloud'? I would never invest a dime or a single bit of data to a cloud venture. However, that is just my 2¢ on the matter. In any case, good luck with your venture. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Woolsey-Swanson Rule: People would rather live with a problem they cannot solve rather than accept a solution they cannot understand. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: how do I fix this?
On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:43:08 -0700 Gary Kline articulated: from portupgrade, I just learned this: gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/security/gnupg/work/gnupg-2.0.18' gmake: *** [all] Error 2 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/security/gnupg. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/security/gnupg. ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa /tmp/portupgrade20120604-59509-nufufc-0 env UPGRADE_TOOL=portupgrade UPGRADE_PORT=gnupg-2.0.17_1 UPGRADE_PORT_VER=2.0.17_1 make ** Fix the problem and try again. ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) ! security/gnupg (gnupg-2.0.17_1) (linker error) ethic# can anybody onlist figure out WTF is wrong here? Well, for starters, gnupg is at version 2.0.19 in my ports tree, so I am not sure what is wrong with yours. I might suggest the following. 1) Clean out /usr/ports/distfiles 2) Update your ports tree 3) Run: make clean in the gnupg port 4) Attempt to rebuild and install the port. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?]
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 13:19:00 -0700 Colin Barnabas articulated: History show us that _everything_ will eventually run *nix. Perhaps, but *nix will not run everything. Take a look at the Sony PS3 debacle. After Sony yanked support for installing other OS's, the community ripped apart their hypervisor in a matter of months. If these boot keys do gain any momentum, sooner than later the community with poke holes in the system. Which, depending on how the end user or his flunky poke holes in the system, may allow vendors to disallow warranty claims. The question that I have not seen answered in this thread is what FreeBSD intents to do. From what I have seen, most FreeBSD users do not use the latest versions of most hardware, so it may be a while before its user base is even effected. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Daniel Feenberg articulated: On Tue, 5 Jun 2012, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 11:19:26 -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: UEFI considerations drive Fedora to pay MSFT to sign their kernel binaries http://cwonline.computerworld.com/t/8035515/1292406/565573/0/ I may reply with another link: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html I have a pretty basic question that probably displays some ignorance... Does the loader need to be signed? Once signed, can it load anything, or just things MS has approved? If MS signs the kernel, can the kernel run anything, or just things MS has approved? If RH has a signed kernel, do they have to sign all the userland programs that run under that kernel? Can users sign programs compiled from source? If MS only has to sign the first link in the chain, then the $99 certificate is not really a problem except for the pure of heart. If MS or someone else has to sign all the way down to the userland binaries, then users of FreeBSD will have to turn off secure boot in CMOS, and it will lose a few users. But I can't tell from the discussions mentioned above. Either way, I don't think it will destroy FreeBSD, or Linux, but I would be interested anyway. I thought this URL http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html also shown above, answered that question. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 10:38:41 +0100 Matthew Seaman articulated: On 06/06/2012 09:45, Bruce Cran wrote: On 06/06/2012 08:32, Matthew Seaman wrote: On deeper thought though, the whole idea appears completely unworkable. It means that you will not be able to compile your own kernel or drivers unless you have access to a signing key. As building your own is pretty fundamental to the FreeBSD project, the logical consequence is that FreeBSD source should come with a signing key for anyone to use. It just means that anyone wishing to run their own kernels would either need to disable secure boot, or purchase/create their own certificate and install it. Indeed. However disabling secure boot is apparently: * too difficult for users of Fedora * not possible on all platforms (arm based tablets especially) and purchasing your own certificate currently means paying $99 to Microsoft, or else getting a key from the hardware manufacturer (which I very much suspect will not be free either). I think you are in error there Matthew. From what I have read The $99 goes to Verisign, not Microsoft - further once paid you can sign as many binaries as you want. While I would expect the typical FreeBSD user to be quite capable of disabling secure boot, I know that this is something that will result in realms of questions by new users, alarmist claims that FreeBSD is not secure and general glee amongst the FreeBSD is dying crowd. This is just another misconceived DRM scheme and suffers from all the same old flaws. I don't feel this is misconceived at all. Again, from what I have read, most non-Microsoft operating systems have been able to use UEFI Secure Boot for nearly eight years; however, they have actively refused to do so. However, now Microsoft has stepped up to the plate and is actively taking advantage of the scheme. Actually, Microsoft has been issuing warnings for ten years when a user would attempt to install unsigned drivers. Now the FOSS community is getting its knickers in a knot. They should have taken this into account a long time ago. In any case, we are talking $99 dollars total, not per user here for the certificate. If that is going to cause a problem, I'll donate the $99. In any case, the real problem appears to be how FreeBSD is going to handle drivers which apparently will need to be signed since they work at the kernel level. Apparently Fedora has a working solution for that all ready. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:47:11 +0100 Matthew Seaman articulated: On 06/06/2012 11:24, Jerry wrote: I think you are in error there Matthew. From what I have read The $99 goes to Verisign, not Microsoft - further once paid you can sign as many binaries as you want. Having to pay Verisign instead of Microsoft makes no difference: the point is why should I have to pay anything to a third party in order to run whatever OS I want on a piece of hardware I own? $99 as a one-off payment might seem a trivial cost to you, so much so that you rather rashly promised to pay that for anyone. I won't hold you to it. Even so, there are several thousand readers of this list. I doubt even you could afford to subsidise very many of them... The $99 was for FreeBSD to deliver the OS, not per user. This is clearly explained in the various URLs listed in this thread. I am sorry if you misunderstood. Of course if a user wants to recompile the kernel, etcetera after having downloaded and installed it from FreeBSD or one of its subsidies, they are on their own. Seriously though, a one time payment of $99 is so trivial I find it hard to believe that anyone is actually bitching about it. I pay many times that amount for golf every month. Yes UEFI Secure Boot may have been around for 8 years. The fact that no one has adopted use of it in all that time speaks volumes. I don't want to get in an argument with you Matthew since you are one of the few on this list that I feel actually thinks before they speak and knows what they are talking about; however, the real reason, in my opinion, is that no one carefully considered the consequences of it. It is a great idea, it offers greater security and again from what I have read it can be disabled by the end user if the vendor so allows. Microsoft does not control the vendors right to allow or disallow that action. In any event, it won't belong before some hacker comes up with a way to circumvent the entire process anyway, In my opinion, so why worry about it. Most FreeBSD users do not use state of the art equipment anyway, so it may be years before they even come up against this problem. By then it will all be ironed out. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?]
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:49:53 -0400 Daniel Staal articulated: On 2012-06-05 17:20, Jerry wrote: The question that I have not seen answered in this thread is what FreeBSD intents to do. From what I have seen, most FreeBSD users do not use the latest versions of most hardware, so it may be a while before its user base is even effected. I don't believe at this point FreeBSD has any intent one way or another, really. It's not an immediate problem for any platform supported by the FreeBSD project, at least for a technically-inclined user who's willing to check out their BIOS. (Even if they are using the latest hardware, the x86-derived platforms aren't going to require this code signing yet.) So it'll probably be a 'wait and see if it's something the FreeBSD community needs a solution for' at this point. But this is just my impression. I totally agree with you. Unfortunately that speaks to the sad state of affairs that FreeBSD appears to be in. When it comes to supporting the latest technologies, it tends to be behind the curve when compared to other operating systems. Wireless networking and USB support are only a few examples. I don't know of any user personally who purchased a new PC and then threw FreeBSD on it. Most users that I have come into contact with use 2+ year old units that have been replaced by shiny new Windows units. I don't see that changing anytime soon. Large companies would all ready have the infrastructure in place to handle this sort of problem and as you pointed out would be working with a *nix vendor that could properly meet their needs. Said vendor would have all ready taken care of the UEFI Secure Boot problem. In slight defense of RedHat: They do a lot of worrying about enterprise and government customers, many of whom don't really care what platform they are running on - as long as they can get 'support' and it passes their security/operational tests. In that environment, I can easily see some middle-manager decreeing that disabling the signed-boot process is verboten, without any understanding of the meaning or the consequences, and enforcing it on the whole company/division, to the point where any non-signed OS would be thrown out the door. FreeBSD has probably already been thrown out the door at those types of locations, as there is no 'official' support channel. (Yes, for my sins, I work at one of these...) What sin? You use a product and want it properly supported. You have an absolute right to that. Posting a message on a forum and hoping that someone can answer it is not the type of support a business would want. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?]
On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 15:55:16 -0400 Robert Simmons articulated: On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:49:53 -0400 Daniel Staal articulated: On 2012-06-05 17:20, Jerry wrote: The question that I have not seen answered in this thread is what FreeBSD intents to do. From what I have seen, most FreeBSD users do not use the latest versions of most hardware, so it may be a while before its user base is even effected. I don't believe at this point FreeBSD has any intent one way or another, really. It's not an immediate problem for any platform supported by the FreeBSD project, at least for a technically-inclined user who's willing to check out their BIOS. (Even if they are using the latest hardware, the x86-derived platforms aren't going to require this code signing yet.) So it'll probably be a 'wait and see if it's something the FreeBSD community needs a solution for' at this point. But this is just my impression. I totally agree with you. Unfortunately that speaks to the sad state of affairs that FreeBSD appears to be in. When it comes to supporting the latest technologies, it tends to be behind the curve when compared to other operating systems. Wireless networking and USB support are only a few examples. I don't know of any user personally who purchased a new PC and then threw FreeBSD on it. Most users that I have come into contact with use 2+ year old units that have been replaced by shiny new Windows units. I don't see that changing anytime soon. I would have to disagree with you there. I know of quite a few users who happen to run one of the world's largest content distribution networks (accounting for about one third of the internet's traffic; up there with pornography). They purchased more than just a handful of new computers and threw FreeBSD on them: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2012-June/068129.html It is late and I am tired; however, unless I am misreading this, this is not dealing with a typical home use but a corporate entity. You omitted my last paragraph in my reply that clearly dealing with corporations. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD9 - I can't get my mouse to work
On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:33:43 +0200 Bernt Hansson articulated: 2012-06-06 04:21, Walter Hurry skrev: On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 01:22:51 +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote: Option AutoAddDevices On Set this to off. Thanks for the reply. Yes, I've tried setting it to Off, but there is no apparent difference; only a new set of messages in Xorg.0.log: (EE) config/hal: couldn't initialise context: unknown error (null) (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (8) (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (8) (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (8) (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (8) (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (8) (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (8) (WW) Mouse0: No Device specified, looking for one... Have you tried without a xorg.conf file I do not have one. I have had the same frigging problem since updating Xorg and have tried every suggestion made on this list so far which includes activating deactivating hald, which is actually deprecated; however, I don't think that anyone here cares. In any case, when the mouse hangs I simple do a forced shutdown of Xorg and then restart it. There is approximately a 50/50 chance it will work on the next attempt. I just keep doing it until it works correctly. Furthermore, the real fun is when the keyboard is not even recognized. For the record, my Microsoft friends are really impressed with this. They have started a pool to see how many attempts it takes before it starts correctly. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD9 - I can't get my mouse to work
On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:17:42 +0200 C. P. Ghost articulated: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 7:14 PM, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote: Firstly, sorry if this is a bit of a newbie question. I am quite new to FreeBSD (though fairly experienced at Linux). Almost everything in FreeBSD is fine, except that no matter what I try I cannot get the (USB) mouse to work. IMHO, you've hit the same problem as this: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-May/241148.html Sorry, I forgot to add the original mail: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-May/241042.html Unfortunately, there was no follow-up, and nobody seems to have enough skills to fix hald. HAL is now deprecated on GNU/Linux systems, with functionality being merged into udev as of 2008–2010. Why would anyone try to resurrect a dead application. As of 2011, GNU/Linux distributions such as Ubuntu, Debian, and Fedora, and projects such as KDE, GNOME and X.org are in the process of deprecating HAL as it has become a large monolithic unmaintainable mess. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: find date of last boot
On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 12:08:20 +0100 Matthew Seaman articulated: In passing, apparently it seems that creating a user with a username of 'reboot' is probably not recommended. That would seem like a good idea. Interestingly enough, I had a friend who had a password: PassWord that he used as a joke. On day he tried it on an internet site for a throw away account he was creating and the site rejected it claiming it was not a valid password. Perhaps FreeBSD could have some sort of validation in place to refuse to accept certain user-IDs such as reboot. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 03:27:25 +0200 Damien Fleuriot articulated: On 9 Jun 2012, at 18:48, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 11:42:37PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: On 6 Jun 2012, at 21:52, Dave U. Random anonym...@anonymitaet-im-inter.net wrote: Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:47:11 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: Having to pay Verisign instead of Microsoft makes no difference: the point is why should I have to pay anything to a third party in order to run whatever OS I want on a piece of hardware I own? It's time to dump the Intel/Microshaft mafia forever. FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, and even Linux have ports to many platforms. Why stay on Intel? It's an overgrown ugly mess. We need to stop buying Intel mafiaware with preinstalled Microshaft mafiware and run a free (or in the case of Linux apparently free) OS on free hardware. There are increasing numbers of SBCs and plenty of used servers on Ebay. They're all built better than commodity Intel mafiaware. Good riddance! You have no idea what you're talking about. This kind of religious propaganda post is neither constructive nor helpful. It should be noted that your tone is neither constructive nor helpful, to say nothing of your contentless response. Do you have anything useful to say in response to what Dave U. Random contributed -- perhaps a thoughtful refutation of some specific point(s)? I hope you have more of value to contribute than your obvious disdain for people who disagree with you about something (without even specifying on what points you disagree). If you had bothered to read all the other mails I've posted on this very specific thread, you wouldn't need to ask the question. If you're going to participate in the Linux zealots' propaganda that makes OSS defenders sound so ridiculous and delusional, so be it. Fact is, if Microsoft didn't deliver acceptable products, people wouldn't use them. Calling them a mafia is neither constructive (I invite you to look up the word mafia in a thesaurus), nor backed up by actual facts. OP is just going on a rampage about MS and intel. You want to follow his advice and advocate the exclusive use of alpha machines ? I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. No, I'm not gonna use alphas. And no, I'm not going to let a random person (hey, choice words !) call intel or MS a mafia just because he's on a zealot crusade. You might want to take a minute to consider the contributions of both to computing. Without MS (and IBM amongst others) it's possible that computing would never have reached such an audience as it has. So I'm going with the (possibly false) assumption that without MS and other major actors, not many people would use computers nowadays. All this magnificent OSS wouldn't be of much use then. After all, who would need FreeBSD servers to host web sites that had neither visitors nor purpose ? One might see MS as the ultimate evil, yet they're strongly implemented in corporate IT. One might wonder why, before engaging in a crusade, and brandishing empty words as their weapons. I invite you to re-read OP's post and highlight what in mafiaware, wintel and microshaft you find constructive. I also invite you to read all his points about why exactly intel is an overgrown ugly mess. I regret to report I have found none, might you point them out for me ? Now, I shall leave you to read my other posts on this secure boot topic, that you might quit claiming I have nothing to contribute.___ It is fairly easy to understand both sides in this discussion. When Microsoft supporters refer to open-source software as open-sore or socialist-software the FOSS community becomes enraged. However, when the open-source community retaliates it is considered acceptable. Quite frankly I read far more Microsoft based forums than open-source based ones and I can say without a doubt, at least in my experience, Microsoft proponents never attack open-source with the venomous hatred that open-source attacks Microsoft. In fact, the majority of Microsoft users that I know could not care less about what they consider an overly burdensome (geeky) open-source operating system. The whole argument can probably be boiled do to this: Disparaging other operating systems (Microsoft) and pointing out its failures is beneficial, constructive and therapeutic. Pointing out problems and failures regarding your own OS is destructive and flame bait. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:06:26 +0200 Julian H. Stacey articulated: Too much hot air preaching to the choir is counter productive would die away after internal argument. Better be active Externaly. Defend our future by alerting governments there is an upcoming issue. (eg EU has mega fined MS before for monopoly abuse, EU etc could warn off MS if we alert governments there's something to monitor). Free source OSs, ie inc *BSD *Linux etc, need to co-ordinate with eg - A few short anodyne sentences summarising the MS Win8 UEFI problem, (better too little text than too much, to reduce work, avoid risk of discredit from getting anything wrong). - List of links to specification analysis discussion forums. - List of contacts to alert: politicians officials responsible for anti monopoly anti restraint of trade policing. - List of volunteers: people in each OS project to contact governments. - A brief simple sample letter to send to alert politicians officials (maybe via paper post or phone, not email to spam box ;-) As a start here's : http://berklix.org/uefi/ URLs welcome. Contact names welcome. Volunteers welcome. It is posts like this that basically turn my stomach. A product, any product, should succeed or fail based on its own merits and not because some government agency aided or thwarted it. Most, it not nearly all PC manufacturers exist solely because of Microsoft. The PC market balloons every time Microsoft releases a new version of Windows. Seriously now, how many PC were sold because FreeBSD released version 9 of its OS? If you want to beat someone, you make a better product. You don't go running to your mamma asking for protection. That stinks of socialism/fascism. The UEFI specification has existed for years. Supposedly, Linux has been capable of using it for 8+ years. I have no idea if FreeBSD is even capable of handling it. It wouldn't surprise me it if couldn't though. What this really tells me is that there has been way to much procrastination by the FOSS. Microsoft simply took advantage of an existing standard (remember standards something the FOSS is always crying about) and now FOSS is begging for mercy. This is more than just slightly funny, it is pathetic. If 1% of the effort of spreading this BS over UEFI had gone into working on a solution for UEFI two years ago, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?
On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:11:11 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 07:23:20AM -0400, Jerry wrote: It is fairly easy to understand both sides in this discussion. When Microsoft supporters refer to open-source software as open-sore or socialist-software the FOSS community becomes enraged. However, when the open-source community retaliates it is considered acceptable. Quite frankly I read far more Microsoft based forums than open-source based ones and I can say without a doubt, at least in my experience, Microsoft proponents never attack open-source with the venomous hatred that open-source attacks Microsoft. In fact, the majority of Microsoft users that I know could not care less about what they consider an overly burdensome (geeky) open-source operating system. The whole argument can probably be boiled do to this: Disparaging other operating systems (Microsoft) and pointing out its failures is beneficial, constructive and therapeutic. Pointing out problems and failures regarding your own OS is destructive and flame bait. Perhaps you're spending too much time in the community venues of open source software projects. In communities devoted to use of software peddled by Microsoft, the reverse would be true, and this seems to me not the least bit surprising, or even particularly inappropriate. When you stroll into a venue where it can reasonably be assumed there is a general consensus position of favoring one thing over another (such as a sports bar in Colorado, which would likely favor the Broncos over the Raiders), then start loudly proclaiming the evils of the favored thing relative to the unfavored (such as talking about how much better the Raiders are than the Broncos, and how the Broncos fans are all a bunch of pansy whiners, as you tend to do about open source software users and advocates while you're hanging out here on a FreeBSD mailing list), what you are contributing to the discussion may quite understandably be called flamebait. Expressing surprise that someone would apply such a label in these circumstances is, in my estimation, at least disingenuous if not wholly ludicrous, directly deceptive, and/or frankly dumb. Your paranoia is kicking in again isn't it Chad. Anyway, to address your sports analogy, if I walk into a NY City bar and enter into a discussion regarding the pros and cons of the Jets VS Giants, which in itself is ridiculous since neither is actually located in NY, and blatantly scream out that the (Jets of Giants -- you pick) are a bunch of mother-fucking, wife beating pedophiles, I think you would agree, unless you happen to belong to that group, that I have gone way over the top in my team assessment. There is a major difference between criticizing and defamation. Perhaps someday you will learn the difference. For the record, I have never heard of anyone using the term mafia while referring to the FOSS. Then again, the Mafia is a highly organized operation. I might also add that many people of Italian descent consider the term mafia offensive. I, for one, generally try to avoid saying nonfactually disparaging things about Microsoft or (especially) users of software peddled by Microsoft in venues like this mailing list, in part because it's a bit unsportsmanlike, and in part because it doesn't really contribute anything positive. It's kind of mind-boggling that people like you make no evident effort to avoid saying disparaging things about FreeBSD and its users in venues like this mailing list, where it's trollish, does not contribute anything positive, and directly offends large numbers of people subscribed to the list. When was this election held Chad? I am referring to the one that appointed you list spokesperson. In any case, you make an interesting statement without offering any documentation. Are you a politician Chad? I was inquiring because you seem to like making sound bites sans substance. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?
On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:44:11 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:59:46PM -0400, Jerry wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:11:11 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 07:23:20AM -0400, Jerry wrote: It is fairly easy to understand both sides in this discussion. When Microsoft supporters refer to open-source software as open-sore or socialist-software the FOSS community becomes enraged. However, when the open-source community retaliates it is considered acceptable. Quite frankly I read far more Microsoft based forums than open-source based ones and I can say without a doubt, at least in my experience, Microsoft proponents never attack open-source with the venomous hatred that open-source attacks Microsoft. In fact, the majority of Microsoft users that I know could not care less about what they consider an overly burdensome (geeky) open-source operating system. The whole argument can probably be boiled do to this: Disparaging other operating systems (Microsoft) and pointing out its failures is beneficial, constructive and therapeutic. Pointing out problems and failures regarding your own OS is destructive and flame bait. Perhaps you're spending too much time in the community venues of open source software projects. In communities devoted to use of software peddled by Microsoft, the reverse would be true, and this seems to me not the least bit surprising, or even particularly inappropriate. When you stroll into a venue where it can reasonably be assumed there is a general consensus position of favoring one thing over another (such as a sports bar in Colorado, which would likely favor the Broncos over the Raiders), then start loudly proclaiming the evils of the favored thing relative to the unfavored (such as talking about how much better the Raiders are than the Broncos, and how the Broncos fans are all a bunch of pansy whiners, as you tend to do about open source software users and advocates while you're hanging out here on a FreeBSD mailing list), what you are contributing to the discussion may quite understandably be called flamebait. Expressing surprise that someone would apply such a label in these circumstances is, in my estimation, at least disingenuous if not wholly ludicrous, directly deceptive, and/or frankly dumb. Your paranoia is kicking in again isn't it Chad. Anyway, to address your sports analogy, if I walk into a NY City bar and enter into a discussion regarding the pros and cons of the Jets VS Giants, which in itself is ridiculous since neither is actually located in NY, and blatantly scream out that the (Jets of Giants -- you pick) are a bunch of mother-fucking, wife beating pedophiles, I think you would agree, unless you happen to belong to that group, that I have gone way over the top in my team assessment. There is a major difference between criticizing and defamation. Perhaps someday you will learn the difference. For the record, I have never heard of anyone using the term mafia while referring to the FOSS. Then again, the Mafia is a highly organized operation. I might also add that many people of Italian descent consider the term mafia offensive. I'm going to actually ignore your completely irrelevant and hilariously unfounded attempt at psychiatric diagnosis beyond this sentence, and get to the point: Ignoring for the moment http://linuxmafia.com it is true that I have generally not heard of open source software or its community referred to as mafia, but I have heard of such things referred to as being socialist, fascist, or otherwise pejoratively accused of inapplicable political, criminal, or generally objectionable (in at least someone's eyes) character. Three guesses who comes first to mind as having made such statements, and the first two guesses don't count. I love the way you make a statement, then add a qualifier to the statement making it virtually impossible to attack as well as giving yourself a way out. I'll explain further in my reply near the end of this post. I, for one, generally try to avoid saying nonfactually disparaging things about Microsoft or (especially) users of software peddled by Microsoft in venues like this mailing list, in part because it's a bit unsportsmanlike, and in part because it doesn't really contribute anything positive. It's kind of mind-boggling that people like you make no evident effort to avoid saying disparaging things about FreeBSD and its users in venues like this mailing list, where it's trollish, does not contribute anything positive, and directly offends large numbers of people subscribed to the list. When was this election held Chad? I am referring to the one that appointed you list spokesperson. In any case, you make an interesting statement without offering any documentation. Are you a politician Chad? I was inquiring because you seem to like making sound bites sans substance. I referred
Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?
On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:44:36 -0600
Chad Perrin articulated:
As stated above in my latest response, it is difficult to counter a
statement by you since you don't really state anything. You say, I
have heard of such things referred to as being socialist,
fascist, ... (truncated by me) etcetera. Well who the hell hasn't.
News flash -- that isn't one. Then you add the (in at least
someone's eyes) qualifier making it impossible to argue with. A good
politician's trick by the way. Are you sure you are not into
politics? If it were not for your paranoia, you could probably be a
good one. You say nothing and speak volumes. Seriously, look over
your postings for the past year. Your transgressions I haven't even
made and similar statements are reproduced in an alarming number of
them.
The obvious implication here is that you are one of those people who
makes comments insinuating (or outright claiming) socialist or fascist
ethics dominating open source communities. I make no bones about the
fact I made implicative reference to you in that statement, so you
don't need to play dumb and pretend you don't know I was pointing out
your own hypocrisies.
The at least in someone's eyes parenthetical remark was in reference
to the presumably pejorative character of some remarks people like you
often make. Nice job pretending I meant something else with that
parenthetical remark, though. Your tendency to (intentionally, I
think) misrepresent the context of my statements when you fail to find
a concrete argument to present proves you're a real class act. What
class that is, I leave as an inference for the reader.
Your paranoia is working overtime now.
I'm not sure what you're talking about with regard to the
transgressions I haven't made. I did not refer to anyone as mafia
in this list, to my recollection, and I would be quite interested in
seeing verifiable quotes of me saying such a thing. I similarly do
not recall expressing a pathological fear of persecution here. I
pointed out that one person (not you) failed to say something
worthwhile in an earlier email, and that another person (you) have
unreasonable expectations if you really think that you have given
nobody any reason to call you a troll or refer to what you do as
flamebaiting when you show up in a FreeBSD community mailing list and
accuse open source software users and advocates of pejoratively
socialist, fascist, and otherwise reprehensible behavior in your eyes
just because they prefer something other than MS Windows, often
lumping an entire community in with a single noisy individual.
Oh, poor Chad. His feelings are hurt.
Chad, for some reason that totally escapes me at the moment, you feel
as if you are important enough for me to really care what you think.
News flash -- you aren't. I think of you as nothing more than an
incorrigible bore with an inflated ego. Your attempts to portray
yourself as an cognoscente while your persecution complex has pervaded
numerous posts you have responded to has become laughable. Perhaps you
are experiencing hypnagogic hallucinations. You really should consult
an expert in the field although I fear that you would be recalcitrant to
the idea.
It must be sad going through life feeling that everyone is casting
aspersions and heaping maledictions upon you. It is really sad.
Personally, I would much rather have a discussion with Poly. I respect
him, although I don't often agree with him. At least he discusses facts
and doesn't spend his time trying to defend himself against non existent
attacks.
If you want to reply back with actual facts pertinent to the subject of
this post, fine. Otherwise you are only wasting your time since I will
not play your sad woe is me game.
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Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:51:04 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: Create a new file in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/precedence with the following contents: #!/bin/sh # # Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba. # PROVIDE: precedence # REQUIRE: vboxheadless # BEFORE: samba : Make it executable. Note -- the ':' does seem to be necessary. thank you for help. I will test it when being on place and could reboot. But still - do you know why it is necessary? cannot i just add BEFORE: samba in vboxheadless? I had a similar problem about two years ago. One program required program X to load prior to it while program Y wanted to load it after it. It was causing a conflict. It is slightly difficult to explain in a few words. I had to manually check every file in the /usr/local/etc/rc.d directory to straighten it out. I believe that there is a way to have all of that information displayed without going through that much intervention; however, I do not remember how to do it at the moment. Anyway, in the samba file, it has this notation: # PROVIDE: nmbd smbd I don't know if that makes any difference or not. I have never had to move the starting order of samba around. I do know that in other applications, they appear to have their name in the PROVIDE line. For example, from the Postfix script: # PROVIDE: postfix mail -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why Clang
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:04:47 +0200 Fred Morcos articulated: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Stephen Cook scli...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/19/2012 4:06 PM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote: BSDL in opposite is often criticized a rape me license. No, it is not, except perhaps by lying atheist Marxist bastards and his religious adherents. Please don't use atheist as a derogatory term. There are plenty of capitalistic atheists who neither lie nor have unmarried parents! I'm a relative newcomer. Are the FreeBSD mailing lists always this flame-y? I realize that this particular post might be trolling / satire, but others in the thread (and other unrelated threads recently) are a FAR CRY from the technical support and discussion I expected. I thought I'd see an occasional RTFM, maybe a random WinBlows here and there... but this type of thing just diminished everyone involved. I am also a newcomer and I agree with Stephen. But I guess the only way is to simply ignore those who make such statements. I don't see much benefit in arguing or reasoning with them. A somewhat haphazardly search of the postings in this forum would seem to indicate that any post questioning the ethics or usefulness of FreeBSD as compared to other operating systems that elicit six or more responses, seems to inevitably result in Godwin's Law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law being invoked. You might also want to check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum. I just read it for the first time a few days ago. You might also want to familiarize yourself with the term Sour Grapes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sour_grapes. It is expressed by a certain clique here quite frequently. By the way Fred, please don't Top Post. That pisses people off too, plus it makes following a really good argument a lot more difficult than it needs to be. Welcome to the fray ... -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:47:29 +0100 RW articulated: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:45:07 +0100 Matthew Seaman wrote: #!/bin/sh # # Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba. # PROVIDE: precedence # REQUIRE: vboxheadless # BEFORE: samba : Make it executable. Note -- the ':' does seem to be necessary. Why? None of the dummy scripts in the base system have a :. From man rc EXAMPLES The following is a minimal rc.d/ style script. Most scripts require lit- tle more than the following. #!/bin/sh # # PROVIDE: foo # REQUIRE: bar_service_required_to_precede_foo . /etc/rc.subr name=foo rcvar=`set_rcvar` command=/usr/local/bin/foo load_rc_config $name run_rc_command $1 You will notice the prominent use of :. If you feel that is in error, please feel free to submit a PR against it. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why Clang
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:48:15 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: A somewhat haphazardly search of the postings in this forum would seem to indicate that any post questioning the ethics or usefulness of FreeBSD as compared to other operating systems that elicit six or more strange but usefulness of FreeBSD wasn't questioned. The ethics of using clang most certainly were. Perhaps you missed the word or that I used to distinquish between the possible causes. Furthermore, the usefulness of using clang VS GCC were also voiced by at least on poster. He stated, correctly or not is not an issue here, that clang produces slower code VS GCC for math intensive operations. It was also pointed out that Linux is solidly in bed with GCC, at least at the present time. Therefore, the other operating system requirement has been fulfilled. I did not say, nor mean to convey that every condition had to be met in every post in every thread. It is more of a cumulative effect. Very easy to overlook unless each post is read in its entirety. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do
On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:50:05 +0700 Erich Dollansky articulated: USB is more a lottery than real computing for me. That is really sad. I am sort of forced to use USB devices on a daily basis, Luckily, very few of them involve FreeBSD, which is why I do not exhibit such a negative attitude, except of course when I do attempt to plug one in a FreeBSD machine with negative results. I do not know what is more pathetic; the fact that so many devices fail to operate correctly -- if at all --, or the willingness of the FreeBSD community to accept it as the norm. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do
On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:00:29 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: ports. Same as in my case. USB is more a lottery than real computing for me. but this is not USB standard fault, but USB device manufacturers that cannot really read standard specifications. It works (under windoze, under linux) is enough. If the ROI does not exceed the expenditure to meet a specification that only applies to a niche segment of the potential market, then it is in all probability not going to happen. Furthermore, I have seen no documented proof that the problem actually exists with the device and not with the FreeBSD implementation of the specification nor with its supplied drivers. FreeBSD has not exactly been a leader in the implementation of USB. Apparently, it doesn't fully support all variants of USB http://wiki.freebsd.org/USB although that might have recently changed. In any case, as a wise man once stated, it is better to light a candle than curse the darkness. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Messages not reaching the lists
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 05:55:20 -0500 Conrad J. Sabatier articulated: Yes, I went and checked my options for questions@ and saw at the top of the page that they had had a number of bounced e-mails from my address recently. My computer was down for about a week or so earlier this month (had to be repaired). I'm not sure what this means exactly in terms of how the list server manages my subscription, but perhaps it's being tentatively cautious and just not sending any of my list submissions back to me(?). I don't know. Now this is the reason that you should have had some sort of backup plan in place in case your mail server goes down. There are methods of handling this problem and I am sure if you started a new thread and requested help that many knowledgeable users would be willing to lend you their expertise. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Revenge is a form of nostalgia. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NTFS data recovery
On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:54:37 +0200 Polytropon articulated: On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:01:56 +, Graeme Dargie wrote: Hi All, I have been given a laptop to look at for a friend, the hard disk is close to death with a SMART error on POST. My initial thought was to just mount it on an Windows 7 machine and grab what I can from the drive. Bad idea. You cannot fully make sure that the disk's content isn't altered. There's no mount -o ro in Windows. Even worse, it might lead to more corruption during attempts to repair it. I have seen this work, but not on Windows 7. (based on Windows 2003 SP2) 1) switch off automount using the mountvol.exe command 2) present disk to Windows 2003 SP2 3) do not mount the disk 4) launch diskpart 5) do a list disk and list volume 6) note down the correct volume number 7) in diskpart do a select volume X (where X is the correct volume number) 8) then in diskpart doa att vol set readonly 9) then in diskpart do a detail vol and ensure the readonly bit is set 10) then you can mount the volume, the volume will be readonly Interestingly enough, only a few months ago, I used SpinRite 6 to recover an 80 Gb disk that was supposedly fried. If the HD can be seen by the system hardware, SpinRite has a fighting chance of recovering it. It took a week but it got all of the data back. I did take the HD out of the original PC and put it into a backup unit since I could not tie that PC up for an extended time. SpinRite does not need a super high speed machine to work off of. Good luck, you'll need it. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not BICKER and ARGUE over who killed who! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is there a way to run FreeBSD ports through port 80?
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 11:58:24 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: We handle a lot of highly sensitive information and that's the need for the severe lock-down. Even the web-proxy is restricted to the sites accessible meaning that we need to request access if we need to go somewhere not governed by that proxy. this make sense. just blocking everything except 80 is pure nonsense. Not if that is specifically what the OP is attempting to accomplish. Whether or not you feel it is nonsense is about as relative to the problem as tits on a bull. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:56:22 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: Is there any such a tool (as fsck for FAT32) available for freeBSD? If so, where would I find it? fsck_msdosfs but, in spite of some fanatics here my get worried, i do recommend use Window's Scandisk. If you absolutely, positively have to recover the drive, I would recommend SpinRite 6 http://www.grc.com/intro.htm. Its not free; however, I have witnessed it recovering drives that other utilities gave up on. The only problem is that if you use another utility first it may mangle up the drive so bad that SpinRite cannot correct it. Its not quick either. I have seen it take an entire week to rebuild an 80 GB drive, but it DID actually recover all of the data. The choice is yours; however, running SpinRite at its maximum strength -- 5 -- is about as good as it gets unless you want to try a commercial outlet. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 20:43:57 +0200 (CEST)
Wojciech Puchar articulated:
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012, Bruce Cran wrote:
On 15/07/2012 09:56, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
but, in spite of some fanatics here my get worried, i do recommend
use windoze scandisk.
I'd forgotten about scandisk - for modern Windows (XP and newer)
you'll want to use chkdsk ( e.g. 'chkdsk /F C:' ).
^
[VOLUME[PATH]FILENAME]] /F
Use the [/R] option to recover data {implies /F}
In any case, SpinRite is a much better option.
both do the same
No they don't.
1) Unlike CHKDSK, ScanDisk would also repair cross linked files.
2) ScanDisk cannot check NTFS disk drives, and therefore it is
unavailable for computers that may be running NT based (including
Windows 2000, Windows XP, etc.) versions of Windows.
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Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:48:23 +0200 Polytropon articulated: For example, make an 1:1 copy using dd (or ddrescue or dd_rescue) of the disk. Work with a copy of that copy. Do not alter the disk. Then use tools that do the job of recovery (see my list postings about that topic, they contain a good list of tools you can use on UNIX). The suggestion of SpinRite is also good, even though the program is expensive. I'm confident it's worth its money. But if you are willing to _learn_ (which means to read and to experiment), the free recovery tools available through the Ports Collection are really good. If I might interject here, making a copy is obviously imperative; however, it also exposes a severe problem. You are working under the assumption that the copy is actually correct.In fact, it is simply what is being read from the disk at the time of the copy. It may in fact be totally in error. SpinRite will attempt to read a damage sector up to 2000 times and through different algorithms determine what is most likely the correct data. Obviously it cannot do that if it is working with a copy of the drive. It must have access to the original drive. I have to admit that am partial to SpinRite since it saved my ass twice in the past 10 years when no other software could do the job 100%. Hence, if you cannot afford to lose your data, back it up. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:04:31 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sun Jul 15 16:31:45 2012 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:29:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl To: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? totally in error. SpinRite will attempt to read a damage sector up to 2000 times and through different algorithms determine what is most man dd conv=sync,noerror This is *precisely* why dd is _grossly_inferior_ to professional-grade tools like Spinrite. With the settings the resident infallible expert on everything *SNORT* recommends, dd will make _one_ attempt to read each disk sector, going through the O/S's device driver code, and write out 'whatever it got', regardless of whether or not ane sort of read-error was signalled. This results in GUARANNTEED, *UNRECOVERABLE*, GARBAGE in the copy, _every_ place where a read error was encountered. This result can be marginally acceptable -- for 'first-cut' attempts at accessing 'easily recoverable' data on the disk. 'dd' is purely 'amateurville', however, when it comes to recovering =critical= data inside an 'unreadable' (by the O/S) disk block. Spinrite, and other professional-grade tools, run absolutely stand-alone, without the use of _any_ O/S drivers, or even BIOS code. Spinrite _directly_ programs the hard-disk-controller chip, can retrieve into memory _every_ bit -- including address-marks, sector framing, recorded ECC bits, and so on -- on a track, for analysis, can seek from an inner track, read the bits, then seek from an _outer_ track, and do another read. It can also do things like step the heads 'fractionally' off the track center, and read _there_. By doing these kinds of *very*low*level* operations, that are forbidden to any 'userland' task, by an O/S, tools like Spinrite can do a FAR BETTER job of extracting data from damaged disks. Professional-grade tools can also do things like 'pre-initialize' the I/O buffer _in_the_disk_itself_, with _different_ bit patterns on multiple read passes, They can thus find bitstrings that are (a) the 'prior data' in th buffer, (b) bits that are read consistently from the disk, and (c) bits that 'change value' from one read attempt to the next. This allows such tools to do a much better job of RECONSTRUCTING the actual data in the 'error' sector(s). Make a copy, and work only on the copy _is_ good advice for attempting 'simple' data recovery with tools that run in 'userland', under an O/S. When the 'simple' approach fails, or is insufficient, it is time to bring out the big guns -- things like Spinrite -- which -require- direct accesss to the original damaged disk. Since Spinrite, and similar tools, operate READ-ONLY on the disk -- which is *not* guaranteed if there is a general-purpose O/S in the wa -- it _is_ generally safe to let them access the damaged original. The problematic situation is where spinning up the drive causes -more- damage to the media.. +1 I use to keep SpinRite on a flash drive that I could easily carry with me if needed. Of course that would require the machine to be worked on to have the ability to boot from a flash drive. Unfortunately, not all of them could. Fortunately, I almost never need an industrial strength recovery product like SpinRite. It is nice to know it is available if I do though. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:36:07 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: It appears I was mistaken. Care to elaborate? Most people on this list seem to speak highly of SpinRite. first - it is off topic. second - because all commercial software like that are designed for uneducated user, mostly try to automatically do everything. Which is a danger not help. I love reading your posts first thing in the morning Wojciech. After having read them I have assured myself that I cannot possible read anything more asinine for the rest of the day. Your replies are as sour as verjuice and of even less usefulness. To call you an incorrigible malcontent would be to simply state the obvious. Your spiel is abstruse, rarely on topic and totally self serving. You continue to cast aspersions and heap maledictions upon any who dare to disagree with you. Quite frankly, your postings are about as useful as tits on a bull. It is with great pleasure that I am creating a kill filter to bounce anymore such mail from you that I should be so unfortunate as to receive. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?
interfacing with hard-controller disk chips. For him, dd is state of the art. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 05:12:14 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl entitled to have opinions, *BUT* the Gospel According to Wojciech is -not- 'the answer' for everybody, in every situation. *IF* you ever learn that, Seems like you have 45 years of experience in words. nothing more. It seems like all you know how to do is engage in ignorant, uninformed, personal attacks/insults. Not that it matters, but -- in addition to having had a news story I wrote published on the front page of the N.Y. Times (midwest edition) -- I've: a) Designed and implemented trans-national, trans-atlantic corporate data network for the trading arm of a major Japanese bank. b) implemented array of pointer to function in FORTRAN 77 applications. c) Written date parsing routines, originally in FORTRAN 66, that would recognize virtually -any- 'rational' date expression -- including the likes of this 23rd day of June in the Year of Our Lord 2012. had a switch for 'prefering' European-syle (DD MM YY) or American-style (MM DD YY) dates when ambiguous. User-manual for the free-form command parser merely specified a 'date' was required at a particular point, would frequently generate user inquires 'what date _format_ is required?' Answer: Use what you prefer, it will probably make sense out of it d) Written the _first_ commodity-options 'theoretical value' calculation routine that was fast enough to be used in 'real time' in determining 'fair value' for exchange-traded commodity options. When the source data may change in a fractiono of a second, Doing 'Cox-Ross-Rubenstein' math *before* the underling data changes -- invalidating the calculation- in-progress -- is challenging. Doing it for the -entire- market, which requires sub-millisecond timing, is far more than just 'challenging'. e) Written the worlds fastest project scheduling software (merely 4000 times faster than IBM's offering at the time). After I demoed the software for over a dozen senior IBM construction executives, they contracted with the firm I worked for, for project scheuling services for -all- their major physicaal plant construction projects. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers also bought a copy. f) Wrote the _first_ PC-based software for 'off-line' creation of control-files for a high-end video-tape editing suite. File format _entirely_ undocumented, required 'reverse-engineering' of everthing. g) Designed and implemented a complete _real-time_ market price data distribution system (everything from the incoming feed processing to the subroutinies that the 'user applications' used) for a major Government Securities brokerage. Stand-alone code on dedicated processors for each incoming feed, feeding a back-end server, with multiplexing daemons on each workstation, to support multiple simultaneous applications. Commplete with application-level transparency for the crash/auto-restart of any system-level component, and auto release of resources previousl allocated to now-zombie clients. Everthing _guaranteed_, by architecture design to be non-blocking, _impossible_ for one client app to adversely affect quote delivery to other apps, even on the same machine. h) Designed and built a complete 'subscription publiication' accounting system -- complete 'subscriber management'. billing, payment, earned- income handling, -and- 'fulfillment' processing. i) Written 'hyupervisor' (for lack of a better term) code for a mini- computer system, to automate a management task on that machine that the _manufacturer_ of the hardare and O/S said could _not_ be automated. Big deal; so what have you done lately. :-) Seriously though, I wish people would stop feeding this TROLL. There is absolutely no upside to it. As has been stated so eloquently many times before, Never argue with a fool - they will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience. Aggression is normal today from such people, that have good position in some companies and fear anyone could read any other than established opinions. That is an amazingly accurate description of _YOU_, Wociech -- You might consider why you feel it necessary to _personally_attack_ anyone and everyone who has the nerve to disagree with your _opinions_. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Numeric stability is probably not all that important when you're guessing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:01:41 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: I haven't had occasion to dissect a copy of format in years, I don't know if it still defaults to one write attemptto every sector on the disk. I read on the MS TechNet several years ago that it attempted three writes per sector. That info may be out of date with the never versions of the format program however. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:31:51 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: Yes, in theory, they _could_ learn everything they need to know to do it themselves, but the list of things that a 'know nothing' Windows user has to dig out, understand, and _use_, is incredibly long and daunting. I know plenty of dumber than dirt *.nix users too. Stupidity is not limited to race, color, sex or operating system. Actually, they are smart enough to get themselves an OS that actually works with virtually all modern hardware and without having to spend countless [hours | days | weeks] attempting to getting such hardware up and running before eventually giving up in some cases. You might have heard about N protocol wireless devices that until fairly recently FreeBSD didn't even know existed. Even now the support is limited; however, that is another story. In any case, that is not the subject of this this reply. I have found HDDerase.exe http://cmrr.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/SecureErase.shtml to be a useful and in the most important criteria to the FOSS crowd, free. Seriously though, isn't it about time to close this thread? -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers What was rationale behind pegging USB 2.0 at 40MB/s?
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 03:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Jakub Lach articulated: What I previously meant is that I had such pendrive, that without former formatting in Windows, didn't even show up as device in FreeBSD- was completely useless. That does not mean I didn't newfs_msdosfsed it after that in FreeBSD (worked perfectly fine since) :) I experienced that phenomena of a drive not being recognized once also. However, after formatting it in Windows why duplicate it again in FreeBSD? It serves no purpose that I am aware of. By the way, it is too bad that FreeBSD is not able to take advantage of the exFat format like other distributions do. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Paul Revere was a tattle-tale. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to get Huawei EC1561 USB modem working under FreeBSD, 8.2? Moving on to the next problem :-) - Flash in Firefox
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:35:06 +0530 Manish Jain articulated: Thanks for your inputs. I have finally got FreeBSD to speak to the internet. Now I have one more problem before I can live in peace. I am fond of a game hosted via the Discovery channel's website : http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html The game needs Adobe flash player. So I installed linux-f10-flashplugin11. But firefox 5.0 does not seem to integrate with it well. I then tried installing a couple of more ports, including swfdec and gnash. Still firefox won't play the game. Is there something special I need to do ? Thanks for any help. I feel your pain. I have had less than stellar success with getting a large number of sites to interact correctly with Firefox on FreeBSD when flash was involved, and sometimes even when it wasn't. I have heard that Opera works better but I have no personal knowledge of it. I finally gave up awhile ago. I just use my Windows machine when I absolutely, positively have to get a site working correctly. Life is too short to sweat the small stuff and golf is a lot more fun. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash in Firefox
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:20:13 -0500 ajtiM articulated: Works on Opera here too but after updtae Firefox to 14.0.1 doesn't work on Firefox. Ans as I red on Linux forums they have a problem with Firefox 14.0.1 too. This one is not working with Firefox 14.0.1 either. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/jon-stewart-you-didnt-build-that_n_1705264.html?ir=Politicsncid=edlinkusaolp0009utm_hp_ref=fbsrc=spcomm_ref=false#sb=3507831,b=facebook -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 22:49:37 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: true. Microsoft know it is falling. People got fed up with microsoft. They now want even worse and more dumb software and hardware. You do realize that, that statement can be construed as a condemnation of non-Microsoft software, AKA open-source? -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400 Robert Huff articulated: Wojciech Puchar writes: Bad that there are patents at all. Not just in software. Patents are - or should be - the means, not the end. The end is encourage people to create new stuff; the means of encouragement is to give them exclusive rights for a limited time. As long as the idea gets out there, we should be indifferent as to whether they make money. I agree up to the point about financial incentive. For myself, I like making money. I don't apologize for that. Most engineers, software / hardware designers also enjoy receiving a monetary reward for their hard work. Simple giving away our hard work, sweat and time to some socialist just because they feel they have the right to the hard work of others is repulsive. If a monetary reward were removed from the equation, we would probably still be using an abacus in the dark. While we certainly should be indifferent to the financial incentive and monetary reward someone receives; in all too many cases that is just not so. The socialists still feel they are entitled to something for nothing. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:25:31 -0400 Robert Huff articulated: Jerry writes: I agree up to the point about financial incentive. For myself, I like making money. I don't apologize for that. Most engineers, software / hardware designers also enjoy receiving a monetary reward for their hard work. Simple giving away our hard work, sweat and time to some socialist just because they feel they have the right to the hard work of others is repulsive. Would you call Jeff Bezos (CEO of Amazon) a socialist? Some years ago, he was giving an interview and was asked Jeff, Amazon has applied for a patent for the One-Click system. If Amazon had known before it started there was no chance of receiving a patent - would it have created One-Click anyway? [While I'm paraphasing, the essential content is preserved.] There was a long pause, during which you could tell Bezos understood _precisely_ what the real question was ... ... and (to his credit) answered Yes. The programmers got paid. Amazon gets paid in the form of more expedient processing and (presumably) more sales due to ease of check-out. Why, as a society, should we deny other innovators the ability to use that technology to develop - hopefully - even better stuff? You are all over the board here. Nothing ever stops anyone from doing something for nothing. Hell, I have written some small software applications that I never expected to make a dime off. With that said, should I come up with some brilliant idea or killer software applications, I fully intend to protect my rights and make as much off of it as possible. I never stated than anyone should be denied the right to create or write basically whatever they so desire; however, if they are going to piggyback their work on another author or developer's works, then that individual deserves to receive compensation. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:43:21 -0300 Mario Lobo articulated: On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:33:20 -0400 Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400 Robert Huff articulated: [Snip] The socialists still feel they are entitled to something for nothing. Jerry; Forgive me for barging in like this but to me, what your sentence describes is just plain good old greedy people. Patents provided the perfect LEGAL way for these very people to make theirs, an idea that they didn't think of or had the gift/talent to create, as a quickie for profit. The result: Now the long patent arm reaches fruit, seeds and DNA. This means that I can't create a Graviola juice drink (local Brazilian fruit) because a Japanese guy patented the fruit !! How ridiculous did we allowed this to get? Yes you can. You are stating a commonly held incorrect belief. You can always request a license from the patient holder. No one, well no one interested in monetary compensation would patient anything unless they were: ⁽¹⁾ Intended to use the patents in such a way that they would directly profit from it ⁽²⁾ Intended to lease the patent rights or outright sell the patent. Patients protect hard working people who may work years, maybe half their life to come up with a killer idea only to have a douche bag come along and use it sans payments. Interestingly enough, you seem to equate an entity, individual, group or corporation that want to profit off of their work and investment as greedy. I call them entitled. With that said, feel free to develop some great idea and then give it away for nothing. No one, certainly not me, is going to stop you. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:37:17 +0100 Steve O'Hara-Smith articulated: On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:16:38 -0400 Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: Yes you can. You are stating a commonly held incorrect belief. You can always request a license from the patient holder. No one, well no one interested in monetary compensation would patient anything unless they were: ⁽¹⁾ Intended to use the patents in such a way that they would directly profit from it ⁽²⁾ Intended to lease the patent rights or outright sell the patent. [3] Want to prevent anyone else from using it to break into their market. That would be inclusive in my 1st. reason I listed. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:48:30 +0200 Polytropon articulated: On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:08:19 +, David Brodbeck wrote: Now, it's reasonable to argue that in some fields the duration of that limited monopoly is too long, given how quickly technology advances, but that doesn't mean the concept isn't sound. It's also debatable if one of today's most prominent use of patents is fair: I tell you! I have patents! You are infringing! I'm not gonna tell you which patents about what, but I'll sue all your users! Of course, if such a claim enters a court, it might be verified or discarded (because it's just a claim, nothing applicable). In order not to risk a lawsuit, it seems that spreading FUD is often the more profitable way of using patents: I told you! I have patents! But if you pay me $$$, maybe I won't sue you and your users. Maybe... but now PAY!!! How many verifiable (the key word here is verifiable) cases can you name where party A paid party B over an undisclosed patient solely on the bases that party B might institute legal action? -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: doc
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 03:43:58 +0200 Polytropon articulated: On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:17:42 +0400, иван кузнецов wrote: how to open RU_FREEBSD_DOC_20111014.TBZ under windows? The file is a tar archive compressed with BZip2. It's no real surprise that Windows cannot natively handle it, as with many established standard formats. :-) several program cant,i was attempt.7zip cant. It's not a 7zip archive; still the 7zip page on http://7-zip.org/ mentions that the BZip2 format is supported. However, there's BZip2 available for Windows, maybe this can help you: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/bzip2.htm There are also claims that WinRAR is able to extract BZip2 files. WinZIP® http://www.winzip.com/win/en/index.htm is perfectly capable of handling the following file types: Zip (.zip) Zipx (.zipx) RAR (.rar) 7Z (.7z) BZ2 (.bz, .bz2, .tbz, .tbz2) LHA/LZH (.lha, .lzh) Cabinet (.cab) Disc Image (.img, .iso) TAR (.tar) GZIP (.gz, .taz, .tgz) Compress (.tz, .z) UUencode (.uu, .uue) XXencode (.xxe) MIME (.b64, .mim) BinHex (.bhx, .hqx) Most other compressed files I was personally responsible for having the 7Z format added several years ago. By the way Poly, FreeBSD does not handle all types of compressed files natively any more than Windows does. There are also add-ons available to handle some really obscure formats. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Issue with kernel building
On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:43:14 -0400
Michael Powell articulated:
{snip}
Keep in mind whenever you install a new kernel your present kernel
(and its matching modules) get moved to kernel.old. What this means
is that the GENERIC you have with a base install will be moved to
kernel.old and can be used in the event the new kernel won't boot.
Realize this: after the next rebuild process this kernel.old will be
replaced _again_. In which case you might now have 2 broken kernels
with not an easy way to recover.
I inquired several years ago about the possibility of changing the
renaming format into something like: kernel_##_YY-MM-DD.old. The ##
would be incremented with each successive build on a given day. I
thought it would alleviate just the sort of problem you are referring
to and would make it easier to revert to a specific kernel if required.
I never received even a single response so I guess it was not a well
received concept.
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Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:09:12 + (UTC) jb articulated: here is an interesting comment (basically echoing other people's view) on Linux developments: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120820 Reader Comments 1 o Arch and systemd (by Microlinux on 2012-08-20 10:11:39 GMT from France) Much has been said on the subject of Systemd. Let me quote Eric Hameleers, one of Slackware's developers. [...] systemd is essentially evil. It is invasive, extremely hostile to other environments, threatening to kill non-Linux ecosystems which have hal, udev, dbus, consolekit, polkit, udisks, upower and friends as dependencies. And every iteration of the software written by the Redhat employees who are responsible for hal, udev, consiolekit, polkit and now systemd are incompatible with previous releases, re-implementing their bad ideas with new bad ideas... basically proving that these Redhat employees must be declared unfit to work on the core of a Linux distro. However, the influence of their employer is so big that these products are forced upon the wider UNIX community and at some point it will be assimilate or die. I hope we (Slackware) will find a way where we do not have to assimilate but still manage to keep the distro working. I have high hopes for KDE which has no Redhat ties and so far, manages to stay clear of this mess, sticking to widely accepted standards. Cheers from a Slackware user. For those of you who are unfamiliar - systemd is a replacement for SysV, LSB, and Upstart init subsystem scripts. Together with some other technologies like GNOME 3 (soon GNOME OS ?) they are aiming at being Microsoft-like Linux distro (soon OS ?). On my FreeBSD machine: $ ls /var/db/pkg/ ... hal-0.5.14_19/ dbus-1.4.14_i3/ consolekit-0.4.3/ polkit-0.99/ upower-0.9.7/ ... Also, once again I refer to Linux-related ports in *BSD ecosystem http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=linuxstype=all and warn against becoming entangled in affairs of Linux ecosystem. Change is scary. There were those who believed in the early 1900's that there were no new discoveries to be made or inventions to be designed and implemented. Thank God that there were those who said, Wow, this 8086 processor is cool; however, I think we can do better. Change is always scary and sometimes even dangerous; however, everything either evolves or dies. Unless someone is holding a gun to your head forcing you to accept changes that you do not approve of, I do not see a problem. With that said, telling others that they have to watch their TV by candle light is an extremely limited view of the bigger picture. An analog man in a digital world can be confusing and scary. Personally, I embrace progress. Even if there are ten failures in a row, that one success can be an life changing idea that can alter the course of an entire industry. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:40:40 + (UTC) jb articulated: This is a bad thing for all UNIX or UNIX-like ecosystems, performed under the noble flag of progress to neutralize and fight opposition. Do you have any idea how idiotic that statement sounds? What are you planning on doing? Are you going to lay siege to their domains and prepare for a full frontal assault? Seriously though, I have spent years attempting to get things to work in FreeBSD with either utter or partial failure. Wireless N NICs were totally orphaned by FreeBSD for years. Now, reluctantly I would assume, there is some partial support. Support for FLASH basically sucks. Hell, there is not even a viable Tex-Live port, an application that I have working perfectly on a Windows machine. The list goes on and on. The only constant I have been able to determine is that the open-source community, and FreeBSD in particular, would rather play the blame game as opposed to correcting the problem. Everyone else is always to blame, when in reality, all that is needed to determine the true source of the problem is to look in the mirror. The answer will stare them right in the face. I no longer spend days trying to debug a problem that I did not create. My time is just way to valuable for that nonsense. I simply find an acceptable alternative and move on. I don't need to be taking more drugs to control my blood pressure. I would strongly suggest that you find alternatives that suit your needs and leave the past behind. You'll feel better and enjoy life more. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3
On 20 Aug 2012 16:46:13 - John Levine articulated: I have a fully patche amd64 freebsd 8.3 server with apache 2.2 and PHP 5.4.5. In the past day, php scripts have started failing with a variety of random errors, they hang, errors claiming that builtins like require_once() are not found, and other stuff. I don't see any pattern. I also can't figure out what's changed. I update the ports fairly often, but none of the recent updates were for apache or PHP. I've done all the usual voodoo repair: I have rebuilt apache, php, and all the php modules from source, and rebooted, and it didn't help. Does this sound familiar? Any suggestions beyond what I've already done? What is the output of php --version? I had a similar problem a little over a year ago. I finally had to do a pkg_delete of every php port on my system. I then used portmanager, although you could use portupgrade as well to do a fresh install of php. I rebooted and every thing worked fine. For some unknown reason, attempting to do a deinstall and re-install just failed to alleviate the problem. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:29:56 +0200 Michel Talon articulated: David Jackson said: In reference to the claims that systemd developers do not care about portability, this is deceptive and misleading. You should read the following interview of Lennart Poettering http://linuxfr.org/nodes/86687/comments/1249943 The amount of hubris and self confidence he deploys is really astounding. I will just quote two extracts: LinuxFr.org : Systemd use a lot of Linux only technologies (cgroups, udev, fanotify, timerfd, signalfd, etc). Do you really think the Linux API has been taking the role of the POSIX API and the other systems are irrelevant ? Lennart : Yes, I don't think BSD is really too relevant anymore, and I think that this implied requirement for compatibility with those systems when somebody hacks software for the free desktop or ecosystem is a burden, and holds us back for little benefit. and cherry on the cake LinuxFr.org : Why Linux desktop hasn't been adopted by the mainstream users ? Linus Torvalds seems to think it's mostly a social issue and not a technical one. Do you agree with him ? Lennart : I think we weren't innovative enough in the interface, and we didn't have a convincing message and clear platform. If you accept MacOS as benchmark for user interfaces, then we weren't really matching it, at best copying it. I think this is changing now, with GNOME 3 which is a big step forward as an interface for Linux and for the first time is something that has been strictly designed under UI design guidelines. The critics complain that the new ideas merely introduces de minimis modifications and does nothing to amend the real faults in the system. The real problem is that true innovative development in FreeBSD has become stagnant. It has taken, and in some cases still not achieved equal standings with other OSs in many areas. Wireless technology, full USB support to name a few. It is ALWAYS easier to blame others for our failures than to admit the problem lies within ourselves. Thank God that everyone is not the complacent. Where would civilization be now if Edison had considered the candle the ultimate technological advancement in portable lighting or if Bell had considered the telegraph the pinnacle of high speed communication. Change is hard -- it always has been. There exists a strong subculture that would rather curse the darkness then light a candle. Debating with them is a waste of time. You should never argue with idiots because they will just drag you down to their levelthen beat you with experience. Simple ignore them and when time has passed them by and proven you right, you can smile knowing that you were. The frontiers are littered with dinosaurs. You could also enjoy a great day of golf which beats the hell out of arguing with those married to the past. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Error after upgrading to php 5.4.6
On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 13:52:45 +0200 Bas Smeelen articulated: On 09/03/2012 01:26 PM, Darrell Betts wrote: My php pages will no longer render in a web browser after upgrading to php 5.4.6. Used port upgrade to do this. Running apache 2.2.22_6. Checked the error log and this is what I receive [notice] child pid 38232 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) This does this on all php pages. Any idea how to fix this error? I had the same issue on a 8.3-STABLE machine. On other machines php is still at 5.4.3 and does not have this problems. On the machine where 5.4.6 gave the problems I completely removed php and installed lang/php53 (5.3.16) which solved the issue If you are using portmaster -b to update ports, then a backup of the previous port will be in /usr/ports/packages and you can reinstall the previous version I completely removed all traces of PHP from my system, including configuration files, made sure to run make config in each PHP port I intended to install and then installed the latest version of PHP without a single problem. I believe, although I can not prove it, that the problem is not in the PHP port but rather in the update process. Running portmanager with the -p option might take care of some ports not being updated correctly with PHP also. Again, there is nothing wrong with the latest version but rather in the way it is presently running on your system. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:42:22 +0200 C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws articulated: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: Adapting MS-Windows print drivers is not 'practical' either. A windows print driver is embedd in the O/S KERNEL, with _system_ calls_ (not mere 'library' routines) that implement the 'device-dependant' rendering of layout/formating directions. One then takes the 'opaque object' so produced and sends it (via _another_ set of system calls) to the 'output' function of that same driver. Is that really so? How about writing some emulation shim like ndis(4) for winprinters? Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm not a Windows systems programmer, but this is what I'm thinking about. As far as I understand Windows printing, there are two aspects to resolve, given a vendor supplied windriver binary blob: 1/ the windriver gets some (opaque) data from the GDI+ -- maybe a bitmap, with some meta data. 2/ the windriver interprets this data however it sees fit, and then talks to the NT kernel (maybe via DLL calls) to send electrical impulses to the printer. Now, the data formats of 1/ (GDI stuff) is probably well defined (and therefore published) in gdiplus.dll or something similar and is the same for all windriver blobs. The API/ABI needed to talk to the NT kernel is probably defined in the Windows DDK (or whatever it is called nowadays). So, in both cases, we have stable API/ABI interfaces on both sides of the windriver binary blob: 1/, 2/ at the upper half, and 2/ at the bottom half. So, if we wanted to use those windriver blobs just like in the ndis(4) case, all we need is an emulation shim for both interfaces. Maybe 1/ is already covered by Wine (?) so we could borrow some code from there; and 2/ is basically a matter of mapping the subset of NT calls needed to read from and write to Windows ports to Unix calls to read and write to our Unix devices. Again, I'm no Windows programmer, and it is probably more involved than this. But the basic idea remains: the interfaces on both sides of the windriver binary blobs is pretty stable and (I think) not a secret at all. In the Unix world, printing is handled _externally_ to the kernel. The application must have =its=own=means= of deciding what formatting/layout commands to use -- it _can't_ query the O/S for this info; the O/S simply doesn't have it. Well, it doesn't matter if the windriver shims run as userland daemon or (partially) inside the kernel. The point here is that the windriver - NT, and windriver - GDI+ interface are both stable and not difficult to understand, so both can be emulated. At least theoretically. In practice, it takes some time and effort to get it right, quite obviously. The bottom line is that installing and running a printer on a Window's machine is usually far easier than on a *nix variation. Even sharing a printer on a network in a Windows environment is simpler. On a separate note, I have friends who claim that the Ubuntu printer installation routine is similar to the Window's one and works quite well for most mainstream printers. I read something a few months ago that Ubuntu was working on using Window's printer drivers directly in Ubuntu. I cannot confirm that; however, it would certainly be a worthwhile avenue to explore. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: wireless networking
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:12:45 -0500 William Kindler williamkind...@att.net articulated: -- I have 2 wireless adapter that I am able to use for my system. One is a usb device, a D-Link DWA130, and the other is a PCI device, a Netgear WN311T. I can find no information about Linux or UNIX support, or drivers for either, on your website or on the respective manufacturer's sites, nor can I find out what chipsets they are using. Are either of these devices supported with Free-BSD, or the PC-BSD? The first thing you want to determine is if they are N class adapters. They both appear to be so; therefore, you are pretty much SOL. FreeBSD does not readily support N protocol adapters unfortunately. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ He who despairs over an event is a coward, but he who holds hopes for the human condition is a fool. Albert Camus ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:16:16 +0200 Svein Skogen (Listmail account) svein-listm...@stillbilde.net articulated: On 21.09.2010 13:37, Jerry wrote: The bottom line is that installing and running a printer on a Window's machine is usually far easier than on a *nix variation. Even sharing a printer on a network in a Windows environment is simpler. Actually ... no. Unless you are talking about the keep HP happy by purchasing ink every week usb-printers. Personally, for bulk printing, and even more so for intermittent printing (the kind where ink dries up and gets tossed away when you use the printer once every blue moon), most users would save a _LOT_ of money by looking at a laser printer instead. Take a good look at Xerox'es Phaser line (used to be tektronix phaser). They're no longer pawn-your-firstborn expensive, they're reliable, and they basically speak every standard protocol on the market (including both Postscript and PCL). 1) I was not referring specifically to HP 2) Personally, I have never had a printer connected via USB 3) I was referring to connecting a printer via a wireless connection, a very common occurrence and one I employ in my home. It is also becoming more common in business environments since it makes relocating a printer far simpler. The cheapest multi-function laser recommended by you is the Phaser 6128MFP, an obviously loss-loser. The next version is $1500. I can buy a lot of ink for that. I agree that a laser printer is fine for a business environment; however, it would be total over-kill, and a gross waste of money, to install one in my home. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ From 0 to what seems to be the problem officer in 8.3 seconds. Ad for the new VW Corrado signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:47:27 +0200 Polytropon free...@edvax.de articulated: On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:36:00 +0200, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: At the moment there was a program (or any other kind of facility) that makes Winprinters accessible by *ANY* OS (not only FreeBSD, but maybe all BSDs and Linusi and Solaris and who knows what else), MICROS~1 would start violently screaming as someone is eating from their cake. Keep in mind that Winprinters are an important target platform for home users who PAY for Windows and PAY for a compatible printer. They pay once every two years or so. MICROS~1 and the printer manufacturers can't stand it if one uses their products too long, as long-term use does imply NO FURTHER SALES. And now imagine that a user can fully use all features of a formerly-Winprinter all-in-one ink pee copier scanner fax machine - where would be his need to buy a Windows to do that as he can now use FreeBSD for free? As far as I understand this, Microsoft doesn't manufacture those winprinters, so why would they screem if those printers were able to run on other platform too? Very simple: Whenever you are using FreeBSD (or any other operating system that is not Windows), you are NOT using Windows. MICROS~1's monopoly is based upon three pillars: Mind share, usage share, and in conclusion, market share. That again is what matters to printer manufacturers, as they are told the secret keys about how to make their printer work on Windows. There is no secret key mindset involved. Peruse the MSDN and and you will find tons of documentation on designing and writing drivers for virtually anything you can imagine that is currently available on the Window's platform. It is to Microsoft's advantage to have as many products as possible operational on their platform. They even have specialized forums to answer technical questions regard driver development. You can even see it the other way: for every winprinter manufactured (or, more precisely, for every windriver sold), Microsoft may get a fixed share due to patent royalties from the manufacturer. So, suppose a manufacturer sells more of his winprinters to BSD/Linux/Solaris/... folks because we had this shim, it would translate to more patent royalties to Microsoft too. I have not been able to locate any documentation that that would substantiate your claim that Microsoft receives any reimbursement/compensation from device manufacturers. Would you please post the source of your claim. That's not logical as the package, the shiny box on the shelf that the customer wants, already contains a CD (or today, a DVD) with drivers for Windows, as this is the PC, and there's nothing else. Users of non-Windows operating systems are a niche market that does not persist in the scope of manufacturers. They are happy selling more and more cheap units (than fewer more expensive units). For them and for MICROS~1 it's a win-win situation, as the customer always pays. Printer manufacturers, or manufacturers of other devices for that matter, sell what the public wants. The public in general wants inexpensive printers. I can guarantee you that if there were no market for it, it would not be offered. I know several users with $50 printers that are used only a few time a month or less. Purchasing a more expensive unit would not be cost effective. Everyone does not need a $2000+ laser printer. Manufacturers are smart enough to fill that niche. So it is in Microsoft's interest not only NOT to kick and scream, but actually to encourage those winprinters by publishing the needed interfaces. It can only increase sales, and they will get more kickbacks from those additional sales. Insignificant amounts, does not pay. The MICROS~1 concept of software ecosystems does not tolerate anything different. Keep in mind the three pillars mentioned before - they would be in danger. Keep in mind that you have failed to produce one shred of documentation to back up your claim of kickbacks. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailing list software recommendations
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:34:15 -0500 Ryan Coleman edi...@d3photography.com articulated: I'm thinking about installing either ezmlm or mailman. I'm not against others; thoughts? DADA Mail, http://dadamailproject.com/ is an excellent program. It is not in the ports system although it is on my list of things to do eventually. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Zymurgy's Law of Volunteer Labor: People are always available for work in the past tense. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:27:05 -0700 David Brodbeck g...@gull.us articulated: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: A) *THEY* developed the interface specifications. They license printer manufacurers to build to it. They _would_ obejct if somebody used their technology to compete against them. B) As it is, to _use_ one of those printers, you *HAVE*TO*BY* a MS O/S. if one could use those printers -without- a MS O/S, that is a 'provable' loss in MS O/S sales -- one sales loss for -each- non-MS system that has such a printer attached. If this were true, and there really were a big conspiracy on Microsoft's part to make manufacturers only support Windows, then you wouldn't see cheap printers that support both Windows and MacOS X. In reality, such printers are pretty easy to find. I just heard a rumor that FreeBSD is secretly in collusion with Microsoft and the printer manufacturer's consortium to advance the usage of printers on the Win32/64 platform. By refusing to create an environment in which printers can use tested and certified drivers on a non-windows operating system, they are secretly contributing to Microsoft's continued domination in the PC market. Slash-Dot will unequivocally be denying the accuracy of this story; however, we all are aware that they are secretly being paid by the EC in an attempt to diminish Microsoft's market share. Unfortunately, I cannot substantiate these claims; however, as has been demonstrated numerous times on this forum, documentation of subversive acts is not a requirement. In fact, it might well be called counter-productive. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint. Mark Twain ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail problems....
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 03:20:18 -0700 Gary Kline kl...@magnesium.net articulated: i spent entire day saturday getting my primary server up to date. unfortunately, no mail can get out. maybe for days.. mail Can get in. Sorry, crystal ball is out for repairs. Perhaps you could enlighten us with some pertinent log entries, MTA being employed, etc. If Postfix, provide output from the postfinger tool. This can be found at http://ftp.wl0.org/SOURCES/postfinger. If the problem is SASL related, consider including the output from the saslfinger tool. This can be found at http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/saslfinger/. If the problem is about too much mail in the queue, consider including output from the qshape tool, as described in the QSHAPE_README file. I cannot help you with other MTAs. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD on Compaq mini CQ10 anyone?
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:35:43 +0200 Jose Luis Alarcon Sanchez jlalar...@gawab.com articulated: On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 06:32:09PM +0200, BernardL wrote: Le 05/09/2010 06:04, Gonzalo Nemmi a écrit : I just got one and was wondering if anyone was running FreeBSD on it and how well does it work out of the box. All comments are welcome. I have one with FreeBSD 8.1. Some difficulties to install X11 (I had to use Driver vesa instead of intel in the section Device of xorg.config). And the internal Wifi device is not recognized by FreeBSD. Regards Bernard Lecuire Best Regards. Gonzalo Nemmi Can you tell us what is the Chip of your internal WiFi device?. Maybe knowing the Chip model and brand someone knows if can help you. :) I have used that PC. I am pretty sure it has an 'N' protocol wireless network card and therefore FreeBSD will most likely not support it. Virtually all new PCs have 'N' protocol cards installed by default unless it is a very cheap model. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading autoconf
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 12:13:28 +0300 Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com articulated: Or should I wait for FreeBSD-9 ?? Or Freebsd-10.x perhaps! -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Updating bzip2 to remove potential security vulnerability
I have seen several notices on other forums regarding the update of bzip2 to correct a potential security problem. From the bzip2 web site: quote The current version is 1.0.6, released 20 Sept 2010. Version 1.0.6 removes a potential security vulnerability, CVE-2010-0405, so all users are recommended to upgrade immediately. /quote The version supplied on FreeBSD-8.1/amd64 is version 1.0.5, 10-Dec-2007. Are there any plans to update this supplied version? -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Updating bzip2 to remove potential security vulnerability
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 12:14:20 -0500 Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com articulated: You must have missed http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-10:08.bzip2.asc ; patches for 6, 7, and 8 are available there, and freebsd-update has fixed binaries if you use that. Never saw it. So I am assuming that simply using something like: csup -L2 -h cvsup.FreeBSD.org /usr/src/share/examples/cvsup/standard-supfile Then rebuild Kernel World is not going to work. Is that correct? -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Last week a cop stopped me in my car. He asked me if I had a police record. I said, no, but I have the new DEVO album. Cops have no sense of humor. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Updating bzip2 to remove potential security vulnerability
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 14:00:16 -0700 Jason jhelf...@e-e.com articulated: On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 04:59:40PM -0400, Jerry thus spake: On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 12:14:20 -0500 Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com articulated: You must have missed http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-10:08.bzip2.asc ; patches for 6, 7, and 8 are available there, and freebsd-update has fixed binaries if you use that. Never saw it. So I am assuming that simply using something like: csup -L2 -h cvsup.FreeBSD.org /usr/src/share/examples/cvsup/standard-supfile Then rebuild Kernel World is not going to work. Is that correct? The update instructions are in the announcement. Here is a snippet from it: a) Download the relevant patch from the location below, and verify the detached PGP signature using your PGP utility. # fetch http://security.FreeBSD.org/patches/SA-10:08/bzip2.patch # fetch http://security.FreeBSD.org/patches/SA-10:08/bzip2.patch.asc b) Execute the following commands as root: # cd /usr/src # patch /path/to/patch # cd /usr/src/lib/libbz2 # make obj make depend make make install NOTE: On the amd64 platform, the above procedure will not update the lib32 (i386 compatibility) libraries. On amd64 systems where the i386 compatibility libraries are used, the operating system should instead be recompiled as described in URL:http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/makeworld.html 3) To update your vulnerable system via a binary patch: Systems running 6.4-RELEASE, 7.1-RELEASE, 7.3-RELEASE, 8.0-RELEASE or 8.1-RELEASE on the i386 or amd64 platforms can be updated via the freebsd-update(8) utility: # freebsd-update fetch # freebsd-update install I all ready read that. If you reread my post, I was inquiring about simply downloading the source tree and then rebuilding world. The portion regarding amd64 systems pertains to me. Notice: quote On the amd64 platform, the above procedure will not update the lib32 (i386 compatibility) libraries. On amd64 systems where the i386 compatibility libraries are used, the operating system should instead be recompiled as described in URL:http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/makeworld.html /quote Am I to infer that I could simply download the sources and rebuild world, or do I have to download the patches first? It would appear that I can simply update the sources and rebuild my kernel world. Your post failed to address the question I posed. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Updating bzip2 to remove potential security vulnerability
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 22:23:16 +0100 Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk articulated: On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 14:00:16 -0700 Jason jhelf...@e-e.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 04:59:40PM -0400, Jerry thus spake: On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 12:14:20 -0500 Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com articulated: You must have missed http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-10:08.bzip2.asc ; patches for 6, 7, and 8 are available there, and freebsd-update has fixed binaries if you use that. Never saw it. So I am assuming that simply using something like: csup -L2 -h cvsup.FreeBSD.org /usr/src/share/examples/cvsup/standard-supfile Then rebuild Kernel World is not going to work. Is that correct? The update instructions are in the announcement. Here is a snippet from it: Or yes, you can just update to the latest sources via csup - it's been fixed in all supported security branches as well as HEAD (see http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base/releng/8.1/UPDATING?view=log for example). OK, I just updated my sources; however, this notation from the UPDATING file does NOT appear in the UPDATING file on my machine: 20100920: p1 FreeBSD-SA-10:08.bzip2 Fix an integer overflow in RLE length parsing when decompressing corrupt bzip2 data. I am using this as the tag, which is probably incorrect. default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 This is the stock standard-supfile. The stock stable-supfile has the same tag. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 5.25 floppy drive
On Sat, 02 Oct 2010 10:50:00 + Thomas Mueller mueller6...@bellsouth.net articulated: from Christoph Kukulies k...@kukulies.org: Thanks to all. Solved. It was a multiple cause issue: 1st: BIOS Setting was incorrect (had to enable 1.2MB 5.25 rather than 3.5 which was it set to - an oversight in the firts place, that occured to me). 2nd: Cable issue: I had a combined cable (3.5 connector at the end and edge connector second but last. 3rd: in combination with 2nd: DS0 jumper issue. Anyway, I found a cable that had two edge connectors. In the end it turns out that the floppies that were lying in a drawer for 19 years, are producing read errors. I also learnt about fdcontrol. Floppy interface has changed significantly since Joerg Wunsch and Bruce Evans worked on them in the early FreeBSD days back in 1995 :) -- Christoph Congratulations on solving your floppy problem, but I can understand your problems with floppies. They've gone bad with age for me too. I can read but not write, then I can't read and in most cases can't even reformat. FreeBSD installation sets structure (base.aa, base.ab, base.ac etc.) suggests that one could install from a big set of floppies, but there's no way I could get such a good set of floppies together. I think my 5.25 floppies and drive hold out better than the 3.5 floppies and drives. I had a similar problem last year on a Windows platform when a local municipality asked to move the data from nearly 500 5.25 disks to CD. The disks were in storage since mid 1990. I located an external 5.25 disk drive, they are dirt cheap, and attempted to copy the data. Like you pointed out, the majority of the disks were severely damaged. I finally settled on Spin-Rite http://www.grc.com/spinrite.htm to repair the disks. I had used it before and was familiar with its workings. It took nearly a week for us to get the disks repaired and copied; however, with only a couple of exceptions, the job ended successfully. I cannot comment on 3.5 vs 5.25 disks, except to say good riddance to both formats. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Massive portupgrade without being interrupted by configuration screens?
On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 10:05:33 -0500 Doug Poland d...@polands.org articulated: If I understand the OPs question correctly, I believe setting the environment variable BATCH=yes will give desired results with portupgrade. This will cause port compile defaults to be used in lieu of an existing /var/db/ports/*/options file. I was of the opinion, and I could be wrong, that setting 'BATCH=yes' simply stopped the build process from attempting to create an options file; however, it would use an existing one if it was present. Perhaps someone with more intimate knowledge of this would care to comment. I say this because I have used the BATCH technique once I had all of my ports configured the way I wanted. Subsequent updates always appeared to use any existing configuration files. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ I can't mate in captivity. Gloria Steinem, on why she has never married ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: OT: fdisk
On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 11:36:40 -0700 Robert travelin...@cox.net articulated: I am in deep with the wife. Her computer went belly up. It was running XP pro and I had backups going to a second drive. I can no longer access that drive. If the disk is the problem, I would suggest getting a copy of Spin-Rite http://www.grc.com/spinrite.htm and running it at level 6 maximum. It is the best disk recovery program I have come across. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ History books which contain no lies are extremely dull. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Massive portupgrade without being interrupted by configuration screens?
On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:59:19 +
Thomas Mueller mueller6...@bellsouth.net articulated:
From Elias Chrysocheris elias...@cha.forthnet.gr:
If you are sure that the default configuration settings are OK for
you, then one way is to perform a portupgrade with the switches
--batch --yes, like portupgrade --batch --yes -a
This will assume that the default settings are those you like and
will not ask you anything about configuration screens e.t.c.
Elias
Idea is that I might want to configure some of the options, so I
can't use --batch=YES unless I configure all options beforehand,
meaning I have to find what ports are to be upgraded and which of
those have user-selectable options.
Are there any adverse side effects if I use portupgrade some of the
time, and postmaster other times?
Reason for wanting to do all make configs beforehand is not only
efficiency and ability to run unattended, but the ability to recover
from a typo at the config dialog interface, which can be confusing,
on when to press spacebar, tab, enter, up- and down-arrows.
Now I see in UPDATING file, date 20100915, that lang/perl5.12 has
been updated to 5.12.2.
20100915:
AFFECTS: users of lang/perl5.12
AUTHOR: s...@freebsd.org
lang/perl5.12 has been updated to 5.12.2. You should update
everything that depends on perl. The easiest way to do that is to use
perl-after-upgrade script supplied with lang/perl5.12.
Please see its manual page for details.
If you want to switch to lang/perl5.12 from lang/perl5.{8,10} please
follow instructions in the entry 20100715 in this file.
I only saw this via FreeBSD web site Oct 3 (20101003), after my
original inquiry. Does this mean I have to go through all the
troubles again?
I already successfully portupgraded Perl to 5.12.2. But I guess I
need to read perl-after-upgrade script before doing anything
(including panicking?).
If you were to use 'portmanager' with its '-p' option, it would rebuild
all ports that depend on the new version of Perl as well as any ports
that depended on those ports as well. It would insure that the
dependency links were fully updated. There is then no need to run the
superfluous perl-after-upgrade' script; although, you are free to do
so if you so desire.
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Re: Cleaning /var/db/portsnap/files/, how?
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:59:50 +0100 RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com articulated: There shouldn't be any need to do that, they are supposed to be deleted automatically. I have 22371, if you have much more than that you probably should remove the contents of /var/db/portsnap/ and do another fetch. I have 22339 files on a FreeBSD 8.1/amd64 system. It might be interesting to find out how to ascertain the correct number of files that should be located there. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cleaning /var/db/portsnap/files/, how?
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:24:18 +0200 Polytropon free...@edvax.de articulated: On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:01:24 +0200, O. Hartmann ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: On several FreeBSD boxes performing portsnap fetch updating the ports on a regular basis, folder /var/db/portsnap/files/ gets filled over time. Sorry for not answering your question, but allow me a little sidenote regarding the proper terminology. FreeBSD, as every UNIX OS, has *directories*, not folders. You do also use the name files, not sheets of paper, don't you? You say po-tah-toes, he says po-tay-toes, who cares? Were you completely baffled by what he was trying to convey? At the very least, you could have attempted to answer his question before giving him a lecture that served no purpose other than to belittle the OP. By the way, in Linux and other Unix-like operating system, everything on the system is treated as being a file, and a directory is thus considered to be just a special type of file that contains a list of file names and the corresponding inodes for each file and directory that it appears to contain. An inode is a data structure on a filesystem that stores all the information about a file except its name and its actual data. Therefore, strictly speaking, he could have just referenced file instead. The term folder is used as a synonym for directory on the Microsoft Windows and Macintosh operating systems. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Which OS for notebook
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:31:48 +0200 Jonathan McKeown j.mcke...@ru.ac.za articulated: So. What's the connection between freebsd.u...@seibercom.net, carmel...@hotmail.com and ges...@yahoo.com, who all post through scorpio.seibercom.net, and who all have remarkably similar views on why FreeBSD is a pile of rubbish? We all work in the same salt mine. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: php5-mysqli problem
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:17:34 +0300 liNEr Crime h17li...@gmail.com articulated: Cann't install /usr/ports/databases/php5-mysqli/ Error: /usr/local/include/mysql/m_string.h: In function 'lex_string_set': /usr/local/include/mysql/m_string.h:304: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/local/include/mysql/m_string.h:305: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/databases/php5-mysqli. *** Error code 1 FreeBSD free.web 8.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Jul 19 02:55:53 UTC 2010 There is a PR files against this; however, I don't believe anything has been done to rectify the problem. ports/151133: Unable to build databases/php5-mysqli -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Do you think that when they asked George Washington for ID that he just whipped out a quarter? Steven Wright ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core
On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:16:37 -0700 Randal L. Schwartz mer...@stonehenge.com articulated: RW == RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com writes: RW It doesn't say approval is needed. It says that it's needed if RW it's required by the appropriate agencies. In other words, it's RW needed if it's needed. But doesn't this then shift the burden to every exporter, knowing or unknowing, willing or unwilling? Seems like an onerous burden. Is it well-documented? Are you familiar with the axiom: Ignorantia juris non excusat or Ignorantia legis neminem excusat Translated: ignorance of the law does not excuse or ignorance of the law excuses no one In other words, it is a legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely because he or she was unaware of its content. There are exception; however, they are rare. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: confirm 0fa75124cd6e5148b308c9a2d70f2847d79ff29f
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Re: Like it or not, Theo is having a good laugh ..
On Sat, 9 Oct 2010 09:47:04 -0700 Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net articulated: On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 05:30, Henry Olyer henry.ol...@gmail.com wrote: Surrilous isn't an English word, nor an obvious typo of one, so I have no idea what you mean here. surrilous (adj.) coarsely abusive, vulgar or low (especially in language) foul- mouthed Although the OP might have meant scurrilous (an obvious typo): scur·ril·ous –adjective 1. grossly or obscenely abusive: a scurrilous attack on the mayor. 2. characterized by or using low buffoonery; coarsely jocular or derisive: a scurrilous jest. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: No Sound FBSD 8.1
On 9 Oct 2010 19:28:28 - Scott Ballantyne s...@ssr.com articulated: Just a guess, but does: # sysctl hw.snd.default_unit=1 help? If so, you can set it permanently in /etc/sysctl.conf Yes it does, and *thank* *you*. However, it only works with earphones, not speakers. Any idea what I can do about that? And... do you have the time to explain why the default pcm0 channel *doesn't* work? I had to set it to: hw.snd.default_unit=4 Now, cdcontrol will not play an audio CD, although it claims to be doing so. Sound does work in KDE however. It didn't prior to my changing the setting. Another day, another hour lost debugging. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portupgrade command line option -f problem
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:14:30 +0100 David Southwell da...@vizion2000.net articulated: man portupgrade advises: -f --forceForce the upgrade of a package even if it is to be a downgrade or just a reinstall of the same ver- sion, or the port is held by user using the HOLD_PKGS variable in pkgtools.conf. In practice on freebsd 7.2 p3 amd generic I find that uptodate packages are excluded! [Exclude up-to-date packages [done] Whereas I wish to have all identified packages rebuilt even if they are shown as being up to date. This may be necessary if, for example, a change has been made to make.conf which affects ports might have an up to date version but were compiled prior to the changes in make.conf. Unless I am mistaken it seems as though the -f option not produce results I expect after reading the man page. You could use 'portmanager -f'. I can guarantee that it will rebuild everything. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Lawrence Radiation Laboratory keeps all its data in an old gray trunk. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Jail question
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 08:35:39 -0400 Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com articulated: Check out qjail. It has been submitted for addition to the ports collection, but the ports dept is very slow in performing their task of adding new ports to the system. So in the mean time you can get qjail from here. http://sourceforge.net/projects/qjail/files/ I have submitted new ports in the past and they were usually accepted and posted within a short period of time; usually 2 weeks or so. Perhaps there is a specific reason why this port has not been accepted/released into the ports system. Have you, or whom ever submitted the port, requested clarification as to why it has not been accepted/released? Before issuing a blank condemnation of the port's department it would seem like the logical course of action. If you don't receive a satisfactory reply with two weeks, then it might be worth escalating the matter. Just my 2¢. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: no sound with ALC888
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 18:42:04 +0400 Boris Samorodov b...@ipt.ru articulated: On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:28:35 +0200 O. Hartmann wrote: Running most recent FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE on a P45/ICH10 based ASUS motherboard. There is no sound. dmesg output reports two HDA devices, one located on a Radeon HD4830 graphics board and one located on the ICH10 chipset. Setting hw.snd.default_unit=1 in /etc/sysctl.conf or manually does not solve the problem. What about setting it to 2? ;-) 'cat /dev/sndstat' reports this: FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 64bit 2009061500/amd64) Installed devices: pcm0: HDA ATI R6xx HDMI PCM #0 HDMI (play) pcm1: HDA Analog Devices AD1988B PCM #0 Analog (play/rec) default pcm2: HDA Analog Devices AD1988B PCM #1 Analog (play) pcm3: HDA Analog Devices AD1988B PCM #2 Digital (play) (dmesg output: hdac0: ATI RV770 High Definition Audio Controller mem 0xfe7fc000-0xfe7f irq 17 at device 0.1 on pci1 hdac0: HDA Driver Revision: 20100226_0142 hdac0: [ITHREAD] hdac1: Intel 82801JI High Definition Audio Controller mem 0xfe6f8000-0xfe6fbfff irq 22 at device 27.0 on pci0 hdac1: HDA Driver Revision: 20100226_0142 hdac1: [ITHREAD] hdac0: HDA Codec #0: ATI R6xx HDMI pcm0: HDA ATI R6xx HDMI PCM #0 HDMI at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 hdac1: HDA Codec #0: Realtek ALC888 pcm1: HDA Realtek ALC888 PCM #0 Analog at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1 pcm2: HDA Realtek ALC888 PCM #1 Analog at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1 pcm3: HDA Realtek ALC888 PCM #2 Digital at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1 pcm4: HDA Realtek ALC888 PCM #3 Digital at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1) I tried windows 7 on the box, no problem, sound is all right. VLC on freebsd doesn't do any sound output. When using a legacy PCI sound card (M-Audio Revolution 5.1), sound is present. I do not have any idea what the muting of the device could trigger. Any suggestions? I have slightly different output: cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 64bit 2009061500/amd64) Installed devices: pcm0: HDA NVidia (Unknown) PCM #0 DisplayPort (play) pcm1: HDA NVidia (Unknown) PCM #0 DisplayPort (play) pcm2: HDA NVidia (Unknown) PCM #0 DisplayPort (play) pcm3: HDA NVidia (Unknown) PCM #0 DisplayPort (play) pcm4: HDA Realtek ALC883 PCM #0 Analog (play/rec) default pcm5: HDA Realtek ALC883 PCM #1 Analog (play/rec) pcm6: HDA Realtek ALC883 PCM #2 Digital (play) dmesg | grep -i hdac hdac0: NVidia (Unknown) High Definition Audio Controller mem 0xfcffc000-0xfcff irq 16 at device 0.1 on pci3 hdac0: HDA Driver Revision: 20100226_0142 hdac0: [ITHREAD] hdac1: NVidia MCP51 High Definition Audio Controller mem 0xfe024000-0xfe027fff irq 21 at device 16.1 on pci0 hdac1: HDA Driver Revision: 20100226_0142 hdac1: [ITHREAD] hdac0: HDA Codec #0: NVidia (Unknown) hdac0: HDA Codec #1: NVidia (Unknown) hdac0: HDA Codec #2: NVidia (Unknown) hdac0: HDA Codec #3: NVidia (Unknown) pcm0: HDA NVidia (Unknown) PCM #0 DisplayPort at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 pcm1: HDA NVidia (Unknown) PCM #0 DisplayPort at cad 1 nid 1 on hdac0 pcm2: HDA NVidia (Unknown) PCM #0 DisplayPort at cad 2 nid 1 on hdac0 pcm3: HDA NVidia (Unknown) PCM #0 DisplayPort at cad 3 nid 1 on hdac0 hdac1: HDA Codec #1: Realtek ALC883 pcm4: HDA Realtek ALC883 PCM #0 Analog at cad 1 nid 1 on hdac1 pcm5: HDA Realtek ALC883 PCM #1 Analog at cad 1 nid 1 on hdac1 pcm6: HDA Realtek ALC883 PCM #2 Digital at cad 1 nid 1 on hdac1 I set: hw.snd.default_unit=4 in /etc/sysctl.conf and rebooted the system. Now sound works fine except that I cannot get cdcontrol to output sound from the CDROM drive. No quite sure why that is. At least sound does work in KDE4. Whether or not this is of any use to you, I have no idea. The fact that it just works in Windows 7 is not surprising. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Problem Installing freeBSD 8.1 on Dell Poweredge T110
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:55:41 -0500 Mike Overton mikeo.veterantut...@gmail.com articulated: (New Dell Poweredge T110, X3430 Xeon, 4GB 1333MHz ). Machine replaces operating freeBSD 8.1 Dell 686 machine with active Internet connection. When trying to load freeBSD 8.1 from a boot only i386 ISO disc, which installed with no problems on Dell 686 Pentium machine, new machine is not accepting network configuration loaded via Sysinstall and cannot find freeBSD download site. Dell Support refused help, stating we do not support freeBSD. Any suggestions would be appreciated. What error messages are displayed? Is this a hard wired or wireless connection? -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ 1st graffitiest: QUESTION AUTHORITY! 2nd graffitiest: Why? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Jail question
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:38:17 -0400 bdsf...@att.net bdsf...@att.net articulated: On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:32:44 -0400, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 08:35:39 -0400 Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com articulated: Check out qjail. It has been submitted for addition to the ports collection, but the ports dept is very slow in performing their task of adding new ports to the system. So in the mean time you can get qjail from here. http://sourceforge.net/projects/qjail/files/ I have submitted new ports in the past and they were usually accepted and posted within a short period of time; usually 2 weeks or so. Perhaps there is a specific reason why this port has not been accepted/released into the ports system. Have you, or whom ever submitted the port, requested clarification as to why it has not been accepted/released? Before issuing a blank condemnation of the port's department it would seem like the logical course of action. If you don't receive a satisfactory reply with two weeks, then it might be worth escalating the matter. Just my 2¢. I'm pretty sure I've seen this conversation between the same people before. Ah, yes: http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/msg235282.html Noting that Aiza = FBSD8... That PR would be: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=148777, originally submitted on Tue, 20 Jul 2010 02:47:18 GMT by Joe Barbish j...@a1poweruser.com There was a posting to it on October 15, 2010 sans reply. One would be led to believe that there is a specific reason that it is stuck in the queue. Perhaps m...@freebsd.org would care to respond. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Netbooks BSD
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:33:46 +0200 Polytropon free...@edvax.de articulated: umass0: SanDisk Cruzer Micro, class 0/0, rev 2.00/2.00, addr 2 on uhub2 da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: SanDisk Cruzer Micro 8.02 Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers da0: Attempt to query device size failed: UNIT ATTENTION, Medium not present umass0: at uhub2 port 2 (addr 2) disconnected (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): lost device (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): removing device entry umass0: detached I couldn't not format it (it was some FAT format on it) as it detached from the system by itself as soon as accessed. I suppose it was possible that it was an exFAT format http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExFAT; although, unlikely. Using a similar stick, I am getting this output: root: Unknown USB device: vendor 0x0781 product 0x5530 bus uhub1 kernel: ugen1.2: SanDisk at usbus1 kernel: umass1: SanDisk Cruzer, class 0/0, rev 2.00/2.00, addr 2 on usbus1 kernel: umass1: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x kernel: umass1:3:1:-1: Attached to scbus3 kernel: da4 at umass-sim1 bus 1 scbus3 target 0 lun 0 kernel: da4: SanDisk Cruzer 8.02 Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device kernel: da4: 40.000MB/s transfers kernel: da4: 3835MB (7856127 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 489C) Maybe yours was really just broken. There are suppose to be a flood of counterfeit ones being pushed through various markets. Mislabeling being the most common problem. Apparently, it is more prevalent in Europe than the USA at present. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
acroread9 crashing
FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE /amd64 I continue to have a problem getting acroread9 to run. 1) It will not create its directory in my home directory. :1: error: unexpected character `\1', expected keyword - e.g. `style' Acroread was unable to create the directory .adobe in your home directory. There may be a permission problem with the parent directory. Acroread was unable to create the directory /home/gerard/.adobe/Acrobat in your home directory. There may be a permission problem with the parent directory. Acroread was unable to create the directory /home/gerard/.adobe/Acrobat in your home directory. There may be a permission problem with the parent directory. Acroread was unable to create the directory /home/gerard/.adobe/Acrobat in your home directory. There may be a permission problem with the parent directory. Acroread was unable to create the directory /home/gerard/.adobe/Acrobat in your home directory. There may be a permission problem with the parent directory. Acroread was unable to create the directory /home/gerard/.adobe/Acrobat in your home directory. There may be a permission problem with the parent directory. Acroread was unable to create the directory /home/gerard/.adobe/Acrobat in your home directory. There may be a permission problem with the parent directory. The directory permissions are normal and no other program has ever complained about it. I even tried giving it 0777 permissions without success. So, I manually create the directory structure it appears to want. 2) Now I manually start acroread9 again: Error message: :1: error: unexpected character `\1', expected keyword - e.g. `style' Next License agreement displays and I choose accept Main program windows pops up for 1 second and then disappears This is now displayed: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'RSException' 3) From the Security Run Output received every morning, this excerpt: +linux: pid 17352 (acroread): syscall inotify_init not implemented I have tried doing a complete 'pkg_delete of the program and then reinstalling it without any success. I wanted to use 'gdb' to try to debug the program; however, it throws an error message also: gdb acroread9 GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type show copying to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type show warranty for details. This GDB was configured as amd64-marcel-freebsd.../usr/local/bin/acroread9: not in executable format: File format not recognized (gdb) run Starting program: No executable file specified. Use the file or exec-file command. I tried using the file command; however, that also throws an error, probably because I am using the wrong syntax. I am open to any suggestions. I tried Googling without any great success. Evidently, many others have experienced this problem also. I have not seen a concrete solution posted for it. This problem was reported over a year ago, and perhaps more from what I have been able to discover. If it is a universal problem in FreeBSD, then perhaps the port should be marked Broken. If not, then why does it work on some systems and not others? From what I have been able to ascertain, many users have never gotten it to work and have just given up on it. I have used truss to capture the output if anyone wants to view it. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ We're going to have the best educated American people in the world. George W. Bush September 21, 1997 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: acroread9 crashing
On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 20:35:37 + Alexander Best arun...@freebsd.org articulated: On Sat Oct 23 10, Jerry wrote: FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE /amd64 I continue to have a problem getting acroread9 to run. 1) It will not create its directory in my home directory. :1: error: unexpected character `\1', expected keyword - e.g. `style' Acroread was unable to create the directory .adobe in your home directory. There may be a permission problem with the parent directory. Acroread was unable to create the directory /home/gerard/.adobe/Acrobat in your home directory. There may be a permission problem with the parent directory. Acroread was unable to create the directory /home/gerard/.adobe/Acrobat in your home directory. There may be a permission problem with the parent directory. Acroread was unable to create the directory /home/gerard/.adobe/Acrobat in your home directory. There may be a permission problem with the parent directory. Acroread was unable to create the directory /home/gerard/.adobe/Acrobat in your home directory. There may be a permission problem with the parent directory. Acroread was unable to create the directory /home/gerard/.adobe/Acrobat in your home directory. There may be a permission problem with the parent directory. Acroread was unable to create the directory /home/gerard/.adobe/Acrobat in your home directory. There may be a permission problem with the parent directory. The directory permissions are normal and no other program has ever complained about it. I even tried giving it 0777 permissions without success. So, I manually create the directory structure it appears to want. 2) Now I manually start acroread9 again: Error message: :1: error: unexpected character `\1', expected keyword - e.g. `style' Next License agreement displays and I choose accept Main program windows pops up for 1 second and then disappears This is now displayed: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'RSException' 3) From the Security Run Output received every morning, this excerpt: +linux: pid 17352 (acroread): syscall inotify_init not implemented I have tried doing a complete 'pkg_delete of the program and then reinstalling it without any success. I wanted to use 'gdb' to try to debug the program; however, it throws an error message also: gdb acroread9 GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type show copying to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type show warranty for details. This GDB was configured as amd64-marcel-freebsd.../usr/local/bin/acroread9: not in executable format: File format not recognized (gdb) run Starting program: No executable file specified. Use the file or exec-file command. I tried using the file command; however, that also throws an error, probably because I am using the wrong syntax. I am open to any suggestions. I tried Googling without any great success. Evidently, many others have experienced this problem also. I have not seen a concrete solution posted for it. This problem was reported over a year ago, and perhaps more from what I have been able to discover. If it is a universal problem in FreeBSD, then perhaps the port should be marked Broken. If not, then why does it work on some systems and not others? From what I have been able to ascertain, many users have never gotten it to work and have just given up on it. I have used truss to capture the output if anyone wants to view it. the freebsd linux emulator is missing support for the inotify_init syscall. you won't be able to use acroread9, until it gets implemented. right now i guess it returns ENOSYS to any linux app making use of it. you might be able to work around this problem by replacing ENOSYS with 0. however since no actual work is being done i suspect this won't make acroread9 run properly. you might want to drop Roman Divacky (rdivacky@) a note. he may have some experimental patches at hand. Thanks Alex, I was beginning to think that, that might be the problem. What I do not understand is why the port is not marked broken. That would certainly make more sense than having users waste their time attempting to get a port to run when it cannot be made to do so. Perhaps the port maintainer would care to comment on this. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Old programmers never die, they just become managers. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman
portsnap unable to locate mirrors
I have been having problems with 'portsnap' for two days now. It continually emits error messages. The latest being: Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap.FreeBSD.org... failed. No mirrors remaining, giving up. Has anyone else experienced this phenomena? -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: portsnap unable to locate mirrors
On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:29:14 -0500 Lystic Emsen lyst...@gmail.com articulated: On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: I have been having problems with 'portsnap' for two days now. It continually emits error messages. The latest being: Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap.FreeBSD.org... failed. No mirrors remaining, giving up. Has anyone else experienced this phenomena? From the machine you run portsnap on, try this: nslookup portsnap2.freebsd.org Let me know if that works. It may be a DNS error. Well, some minor progress. This is the latest output: Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 5 mirrors found. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap5.FreeBSD.org... failed. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap6.FreeBSD.org... failed. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching snapshot metadata... fetch: http://portsnap1.FreeBSD.org/t/c4523276897a50ff0ca27add61344a4e96cc19a5f7e0bc8f8e17d138819e19a2: No address record sha256: c4523276897a50ff0ca27add61344a4e96cc19a5f7e0bc8f8e17d138819e19a2: No such file or directory [: !=: unexpected operator mv: rename c4523276897a50ff0ca27add61344a4e96cc19a5f7e0bc8f8e17d138819e19a2 to tINDEX.new: No such file or directory done. grep: tINDEX.new: No such file or directory look: tINDEX.new: No such file or directory Portsnap metadata appears bogus. Cowardly refusing to proceed any further. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Continuing problem with portsnap
Since portsnap' has been failing on my system, I tried a different approach and decided to rebuild the port entirely rather than just download an updated snapshot. This is the result of just such a venture: portsnap fetch extract Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 5 mirrors found. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap1.FreeBSD.org... failed. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap5.FreeBSD.org... failed. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap2.FreeBSD.org... failed. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap6.FreeBSD.org... failed. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap4.FreeBSD.org... failed. No mirrors remaining, giving up. You will notice that all the mirrors appear broken. Now, I can reach the FreeBSD web site, and every other site I commonly visit without a problem; therefore, I believe the problem resides somewhere with the portsnap mirrors. Can anyone confirm or further thesis this thesis? -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we. George W. Bush August 5, 2004 Washington, D.C. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Continuing problem with portsnap
On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 12:44:03 +0100 Leslie Jensen les...@eskk.nu articulated: On 2010-11-02 12:38, Vincent Hoffman wrote: On 02/11/2010 11:34, Jerry wrote: Since portsnap' has been failing on my system, I tried a different approach and decided to rebuild the port entirely rather than just download an updated snapshot. This is the result of just such a venture: portsnap fetch extract Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 5 mirrors found. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap1.FreeBSD.org... failed. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap5.FreeBSD.org... failed. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap2.FreeBSD.org... failed. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap6.FreeBSD.org... failed. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap4.FreeBSD.org... failed. No mirrors remaining, giving up. You will notice that all the mirrors appear broken. Now, I can reach the FreeBSD web site, and every other site I commonly visit without a problem; therefore, I believe the problem resides somewhere with the portsnap mirrors. Can anyone confirm or further thesis this thesis? Working from the UK [r...@seaurchin ~]# portsnap fetch Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 5 mirrors found. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching snapshot metadata... done. Updating from Tue Nov 2 02:25:26 GMT 2010 to Tue Nov 2 11:26:20 GMT 2010. Fetching 4 metadata patches... done. Applying metadata patches... done. Fetching 0 metadata files... done. Fetching 9 patches. done. Applying patches... done. Fetching 3 new ports or files... done. Working from Sweden, maybe a little slow! As you can see it can't find any mirrors. portsnap fetch Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching snapshot metadata... done. Updating from Tue Nov 2 09:57:27 CET 2010 to Tue Nov 2 12:26:20 CET 2010. Fetching 4 metadata patches... done. Applying metadata patches... done. Fetching 0 metadata files... done. Fetching 4 patches... done. Applying patches... done. Fetching 1 new ports or files... done. I tried it eight times in quick succession and it finally worked. Obviously, there is something wrong somewhere. I don't know who to contact to get it looked at though. As you stated, it could not find any mirrors either. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ If 1 in 10 people suffer from diarrhea, does that mean the other 9 enjoy it? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
