Re: [Gendergap] the poem gap

[Carol Moore dc]

Given Mother's Day coming up, note that Julia Ward Howe's "Mother's Day 
Proclamation" poem does have an article. So there is some good news!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother%27s_Day_Proclamation

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Re: [Gendergap] the poem gap

[Peter Southwood]

Very topical,
Just do it.
Cheers,
Peter

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"An Obstacle" by Charlotte Perkins Gilman should definitely have an article.

http://blog.thereader.org.uk/2015/06/08/featured-poem-an-obstacle-by-charlotte-perkins-gilman/

Marie

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>yes,
>i have been writing poetry bios for a while (and there is a bias in the 
>historical data) and transcribing on wikisource tends to be by book and 
>not individual poem (that tends to be an older practice) the oclc 
>metadata tends to be by book, so we may need some hand curation, since 
>we have individual poems like a chapter, there is a page to link to.

>i have not done too many literature articles; they are harder to write, 
>and require expertise; i kind of despaired meeting the Wadewitz 
>standard

I like that you format your posts like poetry … it’s like Don Marquis’s archy 
poems.

Daniel Case


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Re: [Gendergap] the poem gap

[Marie Earley]

"An Obstacle" by Charlotte Perkins Gilman should definitely have an article.

http://blog.thereader.org.uk/2015/06/08/featured-poem-an-obstacle-by-charlotte-perkins-gilman/

Marie

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>yes,
>i have been writing poetry bios for a while
>(and there is a bias in the historical data)
>and transcribing on wikisource tends to be by book and not individual poem
>(that tends to be an older practice)
>the oclc metadata tends to be by book, so we may need some hand curation,
>since we have individual poems like a chapter, there is a page to link to.

>i have not done too many literature articles;
>they are harder to write, and require expertise;
>i kind of despaired meeting the Wadewitz standard

I like that you format your posts like poetry … it’s like Don Marquis’s archy 
poems.

Daniel Case


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Re: [Gendergap] the poem gap

[dancase]

>yes,
>i have been writing poetry bios for a while
>(and there is a bias in the historical data)
>and transcribing on wikisource tends to be by book and not individual poem
>(that tends to be an older practice)
>the oclc metadata tends to be by book, so we may need some hand curation,
>since we have individual poems like a chapter, there is a page to link to.

>i have not done too many literature articles;
>they are harder to write, and require expertise;
>i kind of despaired meeting the Wadewitz standard

I like that you format your posts like poetry … it’s like Don Marquis’s archy 
poems.

Daniel Case


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Re: [Gendergap] the poem gap

[J Hayes]

great
i nominate you for team leader
start an idea at idea lab
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab
and go for a small grant of less than 2000
there may be a critical mass of supporters out there
cheers

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:42 PM, Amanda Menking  wrote:

> I'd be happy to work with English majors and MLIS students at the
> University of Washington. I'm a former English major and teacher myself. :)
>
> On May 11, 2017, at 7:39 PM, J Hayes  wrote:
>
> i would nominate sadads, he's the digital humanist
> but his plate is full
> maybe a small grant
> for a grad student of his choosing
> or roping in womeninred / women in green
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:23 PM, Ryan Kaldari 
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:12 PM, J Hayes  wrote:
>>
>>> maybe we should do an literature editathon?
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps it's time for a Literature+Feminism editathon (to spin off from
>> the Art+Feminism theme).
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Ryan Kaldari 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You're right Lennart! It looks like I was limiting the query to only
 poems which had the inception date set. I re-ran the queries and got:

 Poems by women: 1542
 Poems by men: 20072
 Ratio: 1:13

 Poems by women with articles on English Wikipedia: 162
 Poems by men with articles on English Wikipedia: 992
 Ratio: 1:6

 Those numbers look a bit more reasonable :) But still plenty of room
 for improvement! Thanks for double-checking my work.

 On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 12:32 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson <
 l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting. Thanks!
>
>
> I am not saying the results are skewed, but there are lots of poems
> that are in Wikisource that lack Wikidata entries. For instance, this list
> of Emily Dickinson poems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> List_of_Emily_Dickinson_poems
>
> The first poem in her template is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Success_is_Counted_Sweetes
> which has
> its own Wikidata entry: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7632593 This
> poem was not listed on the Wikidata query
> poems by women: http://tinyurl.com/kq4bq8x nor on the query poems by
> women on English Wikipedia, so all poems are not counted as they should 
> be.
>
> This is not to say that there is not probably a poem gap (wonderful
> term). Just that we should check the numbers before we go public with 
> them.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>
> 070 - 207 80 05
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> Jimmy Wales
> --
> *Från:* Gendergap  för Ryan
> Kaldari 
> *Skickat:* den 11 maj 2017 07:16:26
> *Till:* Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
> *Ämne:* [Gendergap] the poem gap
>
> Just out of curiosity, I used the Wikidata Query Service to see how
> many poems by women are in Wikidata. The answer is 5. If you do the same
> query for men, you get 255. If you restrict the queries to poems that have
> articles on English Wikipedia you get 1 and 57, i.e. according to Wikidata
> there is only one article about a poem by a woman on English Wikipedia.
> This probably isn't accurate, but it's still a surprising result. While I
> understand that poetry (and writing in general) has historically been the
> domain of men, does a 50 to 1 ratio really reflect the historical reality?
> Anyway, just something to chew on.
>
> If you want to run the queries yourself (or modify them) here they are:
>
> Poems by women: http://tinyurl.com/kq4bq8x
> Poems by men: http://tinyurl.com/m7mqynq
>
> Poems by women with articles on English Wikipedia:
> http://tinyurl.com/mzj6wak
> Poems by men with articles on English Wikipedia:
> http://tinyurl.com/mnmsnkl
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Re: [Gendergap] the poem gap

[Amanda Menking]

I'd be happy to work with English majors and MLIS students at the University of 
Washington. I'm a former English major and teacher myself. :)

On May 11, 2017, at 7:39 PM, J Hayes 
> wrote:

i would nominate sadads, he's the digital humanist
but his plate is full
maybe a small grant
for a grad student of his choosing
or roping in womeninred / women in green

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:23 PM, Ryan Kaldari 
> wrote:
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:12 PM, J Hayes 
> wrote:
maybe we should do an literature editathon?

Perhaps it's time for a Literature+Feminism editathon (to spin off from the 
Art+Feminism theme).


On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Ryan Kaldari 
> wrote:
You're right Lennart! It looks like I was limiting the query to only poems 
which had the inception date set. I re-ran the queries and got:

Poems by women: 1542
Poems by men: 20072
Ratio: 1:13

Poems by women with articles on English Wikipedia: 162
Poems by men with articles on English Wikipedia: 992
Ratio: 1:6

Those numbers look a bit more reasonable :) But still plenty of room for 
improvement! Thanks for double-checking my work.

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 12:32 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson 
> wrote:

Interesting. Thanks!


I am not saying the results are skewed, but there are lots of poems that are in 
Wikisource that lack Wikidata entries. For instance, this list of Emily 
Dickinson poems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Emily_Dickinson_poems

The first poem in her template is 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Success_is_Counted_Sweetes 
 which has its own 
Wikidata entry: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7632593 This poem was not listed 
on the Wikidata query

poems by women: http://tinyurl.com/kq4bq8x nor on the query poems by women on 
English Wikipedia, so all poems are not counted as they should be.

This is not to say that there is not probably a poem gap (wonderful term). Just 
that we should check the numbers before we go public with them.

Best wishes,

Lennart Guldbrandsson

070 - 207 80 05
http://www.elementx.se
Skriv som ett proffs - min 
senaste bok

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böcker

Få regelbundna skrivtips direkt till din 
inkorg

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 för Ryan Kaldari >
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Ämne: [Gendergap] the poem gap

Just out of curiosity, I used the Wikidata Query Service to see how many poems 
by women are in Wikidata. The answer is 5. If you do the same query for men, 
you get 255. If you restrict the queries to poems that have articles on English 
Wikipedia you get 1 and 57, i.e. according to Wikidata there is only one 
article about a poem by a woman on English Wikipedia. This probably isn't 
accurate, but it's still a surprising result. While I understand that poetry 
(and writing in general) has historically been the domain of men, does a 50 to 
1 ratio really reflect the historical reality? Anyway, just something to chew 
on.

If you want to run the queries yourself (or modify them) here they are:

Poems by women: http://tinyurl.com/kq4bq8x
Poems by men: http://tinyurl.com/m7mqynq

Poems by women with articles on English Wikipedia: http://tinyurl.com/mzj6wak
Poems by men with articles on English Wikipedia: http://tinyurl.com/mnmsnkl


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Re: [Gendergap] the poem gap

[J Hayes]

i would nominate sadads, he's the digital humanist
but his plate is full
maybe a small grant
for a grad student of his choosing
or roping in womeninred / women in green

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:23 PM, Ryan Kaldari 
wrote:

> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:12 PM, J Hayes  wrote:
>
>> maybe we should do an literature editathon?
>>
>
> Perhaps it's time for a Literature+Feminism editathon (to spin off from
> the Art+Feminism theme).
>
>
>
>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Ryan Kaldari 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You're right Lennart! It looks like I was limiting the query to only
>>> poems which had the inception date set. I re-ran the queries and got:
>>>
>>> Poems by women: 1542
>>> Poems by men: 20072
>>> Ratio: 1:13
>>>
>>> Poems by women with articles on English Wikipedia: 162
>>> Poems by men with articles on English Wikipedia: 992
>>> Ratio: 1:6
>>>
>>> Those numbers look a bit more reasonable :) But still plenty of room for
>>> improvement! Thanks for double-checking my work.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 12:32 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson <
>>> l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Interesting. Thanks!


 I am not saying the results are skewed, but there are lots of poems
 that are in Wikisource that lack Wikidata entries. For instance, this list
 of Emily Dickinson poems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
 List_of_Emily_Dickinson_poems

 The first poem in her template is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
 Success_is_Counted_Sweetes
 which has
 its own Wikidata entry: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7632593 This
 poem was not listed on the Wikidata query
 poems by women: http://tinyurl.com/kq4bq8x nor on the query poems by
 women on English Wikipedia, so all poems are not counted as they should be.

 This is not to say that there is not probably a poem gap (wonderful
 term). Just that we should check the numbers before we go public with them.

 Best wishes,

 Lennart Guldbrandsson

 070 - 207 80 05
 http://www.*elementx*.se 
 *Skriv som ett proffs *
 - min senaste bok

 Kommande böcker  | 
 Tidigare
 böcker 
 Få regelbundna skrivtips direkt till din inkorg
 

 @aliasHannibal  - på Twitter

 "*Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
 tillgång till **världens samlade kunskap*
 *. Det är vårt mål.*"
 Jimmy Wales
 --
 *Från:* Gendergap  för Ryan
 Kaldari 
 *Skickat:* den 11 maj 2017 07:16:26
 *Till:* Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
 *Ämne:* [Gendergap] the poem gap

 Just out of curiosity, I used the Wikidata Query Service to see how
 many poems by women are in Wikidata. The answer is 5. If you do the same
 query for men, you get 255. If you restrict the queries to poems that have
 articles on English Wikipedia you get 1 and 57, i.e. according to Wikidata
 there is only one article about a poem by a woman on English Wikipedia.
 This probably isn't accurate, but it's still a surprising result. While I
 understand that poetry (and writing in general) has historically been the
 domain of men, does a 50 to 1 ratio really reflect the historical reality?
 Anyway, just something to chew on.

 If you want to run the queries yourself (or modify them) here they are:

 Poems by women: http://tinyurl.com/kq4bq8x
 Poems by men: http://tinyurl.com/m7mqynq

 Poems by women with articles on English Wikipedia:
 http://tinyurl.com/mzj6wak
 Poems by men with articles on English Wikipedia:
 http://tinyurl.com/mnmsnkl


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On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:12 PM, J Hayes  wrote:

> maybe we should do an literature editathon?
>

Perhaps it's time for a Literature+Feminism editathon (to spin off from the
Art+Feminism theme).



> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Ryan Kaldari 
> wrote:
>
>> You're right Lennart! It looks like I was limiting the query to only
>> poems which had the inception date set. I re-ran the queries and got:
>>
>> Poems by women: 1542
>> Poems by men: 20072
>> Ratio: 1:13
>>
>> Poems by women with articles on English Wikipedia: 162
>> Poems by men with articles on English Wikipedia: 992
>> Ratio: 1:6
>>
>> Those numbers look a bit more reasonable :) But still plenty of room for
>> improvement! Thanks for double-checking my work.
>>
>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 12:32 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson <
>> l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting. Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not saying the results are skewed, but there are lots of poems that
>>> are in Wikisource that lack Wikidata entries. For instance, this list of
>>> Emily Dickinson poems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>>> List_of_Emily_Dickinson_poems
>>>
>>> The first poem in her template is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>>> Success_is_Counted_Sweetes
>>> which has
>>> its own Wikidata entry: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7632593 This
>>> poem was not listed on the Wikidata query
>>> poems by women: http://tinyurl.com/kq4bq8x nor on the query poems by
>>> women on English Wikipedia, so all poems are not counted as they should be.
>>>
>>> This is not to say that there is not probably a poem gap (wonderful
>>> term). Just that we should check the numbers before we go public with them.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>>>
>>> 070 - 207 80 05
>>> http://www.*elementx*.se 
>>> *Skriv som ett proffs * -
>>> min senaste bok
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>>> böcker 
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>>>
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>>> tillgång till **världens samlade kunskap*
>>> *. Det är vårt mål.*"
>>> Jimmy Wales
>>> --
>>> *Från:* Gendergap  för Ryan
>>> Kaldari 
>>> *Skickat:* den 11 maj 2017 07:16:26
>>> *Till:* Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
>>> *Ämne:* [Gendergap] the poem gap
>>>
>>> Just out of curiosity, I used the Wikidata Query Service to see how many
>>> poems by women are in Wikidata. The answer is 5. If you do the same query
>>> for men, you get 255. If you restrict the queries to poems that have
>>> articles on English Wikipedia you get 1 and 57, i.e. according to Wikidata
>>> there is only one article about a poem by a woman on English Wikipedia.
>>> This probably isn't accurate, but it's still a surprising result. While I
>>> understand that poetry (and writing in general) has historically been the
>>> domain of men, does a 50 to 1 ratio really reflect the historical reality?
>>> Anyway, just something to chew on.
>>>
>>> If you want to run the queries yourself (or modify them) here they are:
>>>
>>> Poems by women: http://tinyurl.com/kq4bq8x
>>> Poems by men: http://tinyurl.com/m7mqynq
>>>
>>> Poems by women with articles on English Wikipedia:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/mzj6wak
>>> Poems by men with articles on English Wikipedia:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/mnmsnkl
>>>
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[J Hayes]

yes,
i have been writing poetry bios for a while
(and there is a bias in the historical data)

and transcribing on wikisource tends to be by book and not individual poem
(that tends to be an older practice)
the oclc metadata tends to be by book, so we may need some hand curation,
since we have individual poems like a chapter, there is a page to link to.

i have not done too many literature articles;
they are harder to write, and require expertise;
i kind of despaired meeting the Wadewitz standard

maybe we should do an literature editathon?


On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Ryan Kaldari 
wrote:

> You're right Lennart! It looks like I was limiting the query to only poems
> which had the inception date set. I re-ran the queries and got:
>
> Poems by women: 1542
> Poems by men: 20072
> Ratio: 1:13
>
> Poems by women with articles on English Wikipedia: 162
> Poems by men with articles on English Wikipedia: 992
> Ratio: 1:6
>
> Those numbers look a bit more reasonable :) But still plenty of room for
> improvement! Thanks for double-checking my work.
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 12:32 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson <
> l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Interesting. Thanks!
>>
>>
>> I am not saying the results are skewed, but there are lots of poems that
>> are in Wikisource that lack Wikidata entries. For instance, this list of
>> Emily Dickinson poems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>> List_of_Emily_Dickinson_poems
>>
>> The first poem in her template is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>> Success_is_Counted_Sweetes
>> which has its
>> own Wikidata entry: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7632593 This poem was
>> not listed on the Wikidata query
>> poems by women: http://tinyurl.com/kq4bq8x nor on the query poems by
>> women on English Wikipedia, so all poems are not counted as they should be.
>>
>> This is not to say that there is not probably a poem gap (wonderful
>> term). Just that we should check the numbers before we go public with them.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>>
>> 070 - 207 80 05
>> http://www.*elementx*.se 
>> *Skriv som ett proffs * -
>> min senaste bok
>>
>> Kommande böcker  | 
>> Tidigare
>> böcker 
>> Få regelbundna skrivtips direkt till din inkorg
>> 
>>
>> @aliasHannibal  - på Twitter
>>
>> "*Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
>> tillgång till **världens samlade kunskap*
>> *. Det är vårt mål.*"
>> Jimmy Wales
>> --
>> *Från:* Gendergap  för Ryan
>> Kaldari 
>> *Skickat:* den 11 maj 2017 07:16:26
>> *Till:* Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
>> *Ämne:* [Gendergap] the poem gap
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, I used the Wikidata Query Service to see how many
>> poems by women are in Wikidata. The answer is 5. If you do the same query
>> for men, you get 255. If you restrict the queries to poems that have
>> articles on English Wikipedia you get 1 and 57, i.e. according to Wikidata
>> there is only one article about a poem by a woman on English Wikipedia.
>> This probably isn't accurate, but it's still a surprising result. While I
>> understand that poetry (and writing in general) has historically been the
>> domain of men, does a 50 to 1 ratio really reflect the historical reality?
>> Anyway, just something to chew on.
>>
>> If you want to run the queries yourself (or modify them) here they are:
>>
>> Poems by women: http://tinyurl.com/kq4bq8x
>> Poems by men: http://tinyurl.com/m7mqynq
>>
>> Poems by women with articles on English Wikipedia:
>> http://tinyurl.com/mzj6wak
>> Poems by men with articles on English Wikipedia:
>> http://tinyurl.com/mnmsnkl
>>
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Re: [Gendergap] the poem gap

[Ryan Kaldari]

You're right Lennart! It looks like I was limiting the query to only poems
which had the inception date set. I re-ran the queries and got:

Poems by women: 1542
Poems by men: 20072
Ratio: 1:13

Poems by women with articles on English Wikipedia: 162
Poems by men with articles on English Wikipedia: 992
Ratio: 1:6

Those numbers look a bit more reasonable :) But still plenty of room for
improvement! Thanks for double-checking my work.

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 12:32 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson <
l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting. Thanks!
>
>
> I am not saying the results are skewed, but there are lots of poems that
> are in Wikisource that lack Wikidata entries. For instance, this list of
> Emily Dickinson poems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> List_of_Emily_Dickinson_poems
>
> The first poem in her template is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Success_is_Counted_Sweetes
> which has its
> own Wikidata entry: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7632593 This poem was
> not listed on the Wikidata query
> poems by women: http://tinyurl.com/kq4bq8x nor on the query poems by
> women on English Wikipedia, so all poems are not counted as they should be.
>
> This is not to say that there is not probably a poem gap (wonderful term).
> Just that we should check the numbers before we go public with them.
>
> Best wishes,
>
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> *Ämne:* [Gendergap] the poem gap
>
> Just out of curiosity, I used the Wikidata Query Service to see how many
> poems by women are in Wikidata. The answer is 5. If you do the same query
> for men, you get 255. If you restrict the queries to poems that have
> articles on English Wikipedia you get 1 and 57, i.e. according to Wikidata
> there is only one article about a poem by a woman on English Wikipedia.
> This probably isn't accurate, but it's still a surprising result. While I
> understand that poetry (and writing in general) has historically been the
> domain of men, does a 50 to 1 ratio really reflect the historical reality?
> Anyway, just something to chew on.
>
> If you want to run the queries yourself (or modify them) here they are:
>
> Poems by women: http://tinyurl.com/kq4bq8x
> Poems by men: http://tinyurl.com/m7mqynq
>
> Poems by women with articles on English Wikipedia:
> http://tinyurl.com/mzj6wak
> Poems by men with articles on English Wikipedia:
> http://tinyurl.com/mnmsnkl
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Re: [Gendergap] the poem gap

[Lennart Guldbrandsson]

Interesting. Thanks!


I am not saying the results are skewed, but there are lots of poems that are in 
Wikisource that lack Wikidata entries. For instance, this list of Emily 
Dickinson poems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Emily_Dickinson_poems

The first poem in her template is 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Success_is_Counted_Sweetes 
 which has its own 
Wikidata entry: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7632593 This poem was not listed 
on the Wikidata query

poems by women: http://tinyurl.com/kq4bq8x nor on the query poems by women on 
English Wikipedia, so all poems are not counted as they should be.

This is not to say that there is not probably a poem gap (wonderful term). Just 
that we should check the numbers before we go public with them.

Best wishes,

Lennart Guldbrandsson

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Från: Gendergap  för Ryan Kaldari 

Skickat: den 11 maj 2017 07:16:26
Till: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
Ämne: [Gendergap] the poem gap

Just out of curiosity, I used the Wikidata Query Service to see how many poems 
by women are in Wikidata. The answer is 5. If you do the same query for men, 
you get 255. If you restrict the queries to poems that have articles on English 
Wikipedia you get 1 and 57, i.e. according to Wikidata there is only one 
article about a poem by a woman on English Wikipedia. This probably isn't 
accurate, but it's still a surprising result. While I understand that poetry 
(and writing in general) has historically been the domain of men, does a 50 to 
1 ratio really reflect the historical reality? Anyway, just something to chew 
on.

If you want to run the queries yourself (or modify them) here they are:

Poems by women: http://tinyurl.com/kq4bq8x
Poems by men: http://tinyurl.com/m7mqynq

Poems by women with articles on English Wikipedia: http://tinyurl.com/mzj6wak
Poems by men with articles on English Wikipedia: http://tinyurl.com/mnmsnkl

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