Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to set size to windows in Openbox in local config [SOLVED]

[Floyd Anderson]

On Fr, 21 Apr 00:12:28 +0200
Miroslav Rovis  wrote:

On 170420-05:57+0200, Floyd Anderson wrote:

On Do, 13 Apr 21:55:29 +0200
Miroslav Rovis  wrote:

...

>
>But I forgot floyd has got a "patch to keep the window position while
>resizing the font" and offered it:
>
>https://marc.info/?l=gentoo-user=149205691530349=2

...


Hi Miroslav,

back from some computer-free holidays,

I hope you had good and restful time!
Yes, thanks, it was like that and I had better stay there because after 
an update yesterday, xorg-server kills my last nerve while I am fighting 
with a "Segmentation fault at address 0x0" server error. :-(



The patch is too unimportant to solve some/all of the above issues
and/or bloating up the urxvt extension script. And additionally,
rxvt-unicode won’t and doesn’t expose all Xlib functions (such as
XGetWindowAttributes) in urxvtperl, the embedded perl interpreter. So it

$ man urxvtperl # but how cryptic!, how long study that will be... I don't
 have all those hours right now...
 I hope I'll find a solution with less time to invest,
 else...
Yes it needs investigation. That was the reason why I does not realise 
firstly, that the changes to my local font-size extension script were 
made by me (as I mentioned in an earlier reply). I could not believe 
that I spend my time to those cryptic stuff (have not used Git for this 
in the past, which had simply shown myself as the author). 


My used and tested urxvt-font-size related Xresource settings:
URxvt.font-size.keepwin:true
URxvt.font-size.step:   4
URxvt.keysym.C-0xffad:  font-size:decrease
URxvt.keysym.C-0xffab:  font-size:increase
URxvt.keysym.C-0xffb0:  font-size:reset

Since I use the default keysyms for font-size:{decrease,increase,reset}
in Vim, I changed those defaults to C-KP_Substract (C-0xffad), C-KP_Add
(C-0xffab), C-KP_0 (C-0xffb0) like in Firefox and others.

I don't get what these are. Not at this time. And this is my second
reading of your email...

NOTE (at proofreading): Is that 'C-KP_Substract' should read
'C-KP_Subtract'?, the "-" on the keypad? So 'C-KP_Subtract' means
Ctrl-?, and C-KP_0 means Ctrl-0?
Sorry, I was not quite verbose about this. Yes your are right, the "C" 
means control key and "KP" stands for keypad. Normally you can use those 
identifier directly in the keysym definitions but those for keypad keys 
does not work for me, so I used their hexadecimal keycode equivalents. 
You can find the keycodes with the command `xev` or by looking in the 
header file "/usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h" near line 202.



I also compared what I have currently installed:

# eix urxvt-font-size
[I] x11-misc/urxvt-font-size
Available versions:  1.1 **
Installed versions:  1.1(13:07:28 22/02/15)
Homepage:https://github.com/majutsushi/urxvt-font-size/
Description: Perl extension for rxvt-unicode to change the font 
size on the fly

#

# qlist urxvt-font-size
/usr/lib64/urxvt/perl/font-size
/usr/share/doc/urxvt-font-size-1.1/README.markdown.bz2
#

[I compared what I have currently installed] with the  version, which
is the version that, IIUC, I plan to hopefully try and patch with your
patch...
Cannot figure out what IIUC is but anyway. Patching will fail with the 
v1.1-tag commit (two years, four month old).


I would recommend not to hassle portage with those tiny installs (at 
least on a single user machine). Simply tell rxvt-unicode where it can 
find your additionally extension script(s) by using for instance:

   URxvt.perl-lib: $HOME/.config/urxvt/ext

in your Xresource file for rxvt-unicode. Have a look at urxvt(1) manual 
for more alternatives. I see only one disadvantage, you have to apply 
the patch manually but only once if you are using a local Git repo (as 
you do and mentioned in your reply).



[2] 


The link that Savchenko gave in that email is puzzling me:
http://rcr.io/words/dynamic-xterm-colors.html
I want to try and figure out that bash script there... It's very
educational.

I need more time to study this. […]
Not necessary if you rarely use it (in my opinion) but always good to 
known that it is there when you need it. Becomes probably very handy 
e.g. for terminal prompt designs, window titling or:

 - quickly change/test fonts, where  is one of {710..713} which
   stands for regular, bold, italic, bold-italic and  something
   like 9x15, fixed or xft:termminus-12 and so on.
   $ printf '\e]%s;%s\007' "" ""
 - query RGB colour values, where  is one of {0..255}
   $ echo -ne "\033]4;;?\007"
 - window sizing/positioning (e.g. 1144x954+0+0 bound to Ctrl+F11) in
   urxvt. Did you remember the syntax? :-)
   URxvt.keysym.C-F11: command:\033[4;1144;954t\033[3;0;0t
 - ...


[…] But I do have a question:

Re: [gentoo-user] netifrc, configure by SSID and MAC simultaneously?

[Mick]

On Saturday 22 Apr 2017 00:08:25 Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Friday 21 Apr 2017 13:39:52 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > I was referring to the situation where you use the DHCP server to give
> > out pseudo-static addresses. I have always used addresses outside of, but
> > in the same subnet as, the reserved range. The reserved range just tells
> > the DHCP server which addresses to use in the absence of any other
> > specifications.
> 
> Eh? How do you do that? You tell the router what range of addresses it can
> use, then you tell it to use one outside that range? Can't be done - if I've
> understood you.

I understood Neil to mean:

You pre-allocate IP addresses to specific MAC addresses for a range of e.g. 
192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.10.  Any new comers with MAC addresses not in the 
DHCP address allocation table will then obtain IP addresses outside this 
defined range.  Some routers also allow you to specify the range within which 
DHCP addresses will be allocated.  So you can set static address allocation 
outside said range.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] netifrc, configure by SSID and MAC simultaneously?

[Peter Humphrey]

On Friday 21 Apr 2017 13:39:52 Neil Bothwick wrote:

> I was referring to the situation where you use the DHCP server to give
> out pseudo-static addresses. I have always used addresses outside of, but
> in the same subnet as, the reserved range. The reserved range just tells
> the DHCP server which addresses to use in the absence of any other
> specifications.

Eh? How do you do that? You tell the router what range of addresses it can 
use, then you tell it to use one outside that range? Can't be done - if I've 
understood you.

-- 
Regards
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: News: invalid item?

[Daniel Frey]

On 04/21/2017 12:38 PM, Kai Krakow wrote:
> Am Fri, 21 Apr 2017 08:13:29 -0700
> schrieb Daniel Frey :
> 
>> On 04/20/2017 10:18 PM, Kai Krakow wrote:
>>> Am Wed, 19 Apr 2017 12:45:49 -0700
>>> schrieb Daniel Frey :
>>>   
 Anyone sync recently and get this:

 !!! Invalid news item:
 /usr/portage/metadata/news/2017-04-10-split-and-slotted-wine/2017-04-10-split-and-slotted-wine.en.txt

 Not sure if I should file a bugreport or what happened here...

 Synced a few minutes ago @ 12:37-ish PST.  
>>>
>>> Please try updating portage first and then try again...
>>>   
>>
>> I synced again yesterday (Apr 20) and it did not go away. Currently
>> syncing again.
> 
> Ah no, not syncing...
> 
> # emerge -1a portage
> 
> 

Yeah, I noticed that there was an update to eselect, so I emerged it.
That one had no effect. Then I saw the portage one and just went 'meh,
hell with it' and it's updating all packages now (around 160 packages.)
I would imagine after it finishes that it'll be fine.

After my first post I noticed the 'news v2' format or somesuch and
thought "Oh, new news layout" or something similar.

Sorry for the noise. I should've just told my PC to update but it's my
mythtv backend so I don't update it unless I know there's not any
recordings scheduled to happen. Today was the first day where I had an
opportunity...

Dan

[gentoo-user] Re: News: invalid item?

[Kai Krakow]

Am Fri, 21 Apr 2017 08:13:29 -0700
schrieb Daniel Frey :

> On 04/20/2017 10:18 PM, Kai Krakow wrote:
> > Am Wed, 19 Apr 2017 12:45:49 -0700
> > schrieb Daniel Frey :
> >   
> >> Anyone sync recently and get this:
> >>
> >> !!! Invalid news item:
> >> /usr/portage/metadata/news/2017-04-10-split-and-slotted-wine/2017-04-10-split-and-slotted-wine.en.txt
> >>
> >> Not sure if I should file a bugreport or what happened here...
> >>
> >> Synced a few minutes ago @ 12:37-ish PST.  
> > 
> > Please try updating portage first and then try again...
> >   
> 
> I synced again yesterday (Apr 20) and it did not go away. Currently
> syncing again.

Ah no, not syncing...

# emerge -1a portage


-- 
Regards,
Kai

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: News: invalid item?

[Alexander Openkowski]

On 04/21/2017 05:13 PM, Daniel Frey wrote:

On 04/20/2017 10:18 PM, Kai Krakow wrote:

Am Wed, 19 Apr 2017 12:45:49 -0700
schrieb Daniel Frey :


Anyone sync recently and get this:

!!! Invalid news item:
/usr/portage/metadata/news/2017-04-10-split-and-slotted-wine/2017-04-10-split-and-slotted-wine.en.txt

Not sure if I should file a bugreport or what happened here...

Synced a few minutes ago @ 12:37-ish PST.

Please try updating portage first and then try again...


I synced again yesterday (Apr 20) and it did not go away. Currently
syncing again.

Dan

I did not follow your issue here in detail, but have you already updated 
portage as suggested?

Re: [gentoo-user] crypto with dolphin:5

[Mick]

Thanks Arthur,

On Friday 21 Apr 2017 19:37:46 you wrote:
> În ziua de vineri, 21 aprilie 2017, la 12:34:13 EEST, Mick a scris:
> > I've updated dolphin to kde-apps/dolphin-16.12.3 and elog advised me:
> > 
> > * Messages for package kde-apps/dolphin-16.12.3:
> >  * For crypto actions, please install kde-apps/kleopatra:5
> > 
> > So off I went keywording kleopatra:5, only to discover that it needs USE
> > flags [cxx,qt5] which I recall were disabled recently, or gpgme would not
> > install. This is the output I get.
> > 
> > # emerge -1aNDv kde-apps/kleopatra:5
> > 
> > These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> > 
> > Calculating dependencies... done!
> > 
> > emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy
> > ">=app-crypt/gpgme-1.7.1[cxx,qt5]".
> > (dependency required by "kde-apps/kleopatra-17.04.0::gentoo" [ebuild])
> > (dependency required by "kde-apps/kleopatra:5" [argument])
> > 
> > 
> > So, what's the recommended way forward?
> 
> In /usr/portage/profiles/targets/desktop/plasma/package.use.stable.mask
> there's an explanation why 'cxx' and 'qt5' are masked.
> 
> If you don't use kdepim4 I think it's safe to unmask those use flags for
> gpgme.

I'm afraid I am using kde-apps/kdepimlibs-4.14.11_pre20160211-r3, therefore 
until kdepimlibs:5 shows up in portage, I won't be able to install 
kleopatra:5.

The reason I have been looking into this is because SSL certificates I had 
entered and marked as trusted in .gnupg/trustlist.txt are no longer recognised 
as such and therefore I am not able to use them in Kmail.  :-(

Also, selecting and clicking on them as trusted in kde-
apps/kleopatra-4.14.11_pre20160211-r1 does not seem to have any effect.

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] crypto with dolphin:5

[Arthur Țițeică]

În ziua de vineri, 21 aprilie 2017, la 12:34:13 EEST, Mick a scris:
> I've updated dolphin to kde-apps/dolphin-16.12.3 and elog advised me:
> 
> * Messages for package kde-apps/dolphin-16.12.3:
> 
>  * For crypto actions, please install kde-apps/kleopatra:5
> 
> So off I went keywording kleopatra:5, only to discover that it needs USE
> flags [cxx,qt5] which I recall were disabled recently, or gpgme would not
> install. This is the output I get.
> 
> # emerge -1aNDv kde-apps/kleopatra:5
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> 
> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy ">=app-crypt/gpgme-1.7.1[cxx,qt5]".
> (dependency required by "kde-apps/kleopatra-17.04.0::gentoo" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "kde-apps/kleopatra:5" [argument])
> 
> 
> So, what's the recommended way forward?

In /usr/portage/profiles/targets/desktop/plasma/package.use.stable.mask 
there's an explanation why 'cxx' and 'qt5' are masked.

If you don't use kdepim4 I think it's safe to unmask those use flags for 
gpgme.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: News: invalid item?

[Daniel Frey]

On 04/20/2017 10:18 PM, Kai Krakow wrote:
> Am Wed, 19 Apr 2017 12:45:49 -0700
> schrieb Daniel Frey :
> 
>> Anyone sync recently and get this:
>>
>> !!! Invalid news item:
>> /usr/portage/metadata/news/2017-04-10-split-and-slotted-wine/2017-04-10-split-and-slotted-wine.en.txt
>>
>> Not sure if I should file a bugreport or what happened here...
>>
>> Synced a few minutes ago @ 12:37-ish PST.
> 
> Please try updating portage first and then try again...
> 

I synced again yesterday (Apr 20) and it did not go away. Currently
syncing again.

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] Palemoon again - again

[Walter Dnes]

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 07:04:57AM +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote

> As I'm now on sys-devel/gcc-5.4.0-r3 I'll have to assess what to
> do next.  That will be after I've finished sorting out another
> problem I have.

  Step #1) Rebuild your system with gcc-5.4.0

  Step #2) Tweak the Octopus overlay ebuild to accept gcc-5

  The real requirement is to have consistent ABI across your system.
"Mix-n-match" is begging for problems.  Still at gcc-4.9.4 on my system,
but I've added "-D_GLIBCXX_USE_CXX11_ABI=0" to CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS.
Mind you, doing a fresh install, it would make sense to go whole hog
with gcc-5.4.0.  Doing brain surgery on an existing system is more work.

-- 
Walter Dnes 
I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-user] netifrc, configure by SSID and MAC simultaneously?

[Florian Gamböck]

Hi Peter!

On 2017-04-21 13:53, Peter Humphrey wrote:
Have you considered spending a little money, ditching the router and 
substituting one that you can control? Reasonably capable routers 
aren't expensive.


Yes, I have considered this. But this is a router by my internet 
provider, especially configured to work at my place. It uses optical 
fibers instead of RJ11. I don't even have dial-in or log-in data, since 
it was already pre-configured.


I guess I cannot simply "ditch" the router. But yes, if I am out of 
options, I could always buy another router, connect it to my main router 
and just use this new one for connecting my devices.


But I also want to think about situations, where I need static IP 
addresses and I cannot access the router configuration. For example, if 
I need to configure a certain embedded device, which is only accessible 
via an IP in another subnet, then I could dedicate a NIC for the sole 
purpose to receive a static IP in this particular subnet, but only if I 
am connected in my home network.


I prefer general solutions over quickfixes which just work for one 
particular case.


But nevertheless, thanks for your suggestion!

--
Kind regards

Flo

Re: [gentoo-user] netifrc, configure by SSID and MAC simultaneously?

[Florian Gamböck]

On 2017-04-21 13:39, Neil Bothwick wrote:
I was referring to the situation where you use the DHCP server to give 
out pseudo-static addresses. I have always used addresses outside of, 
but in the same subnet as, the reserved range. The reserved range just 
tells the DHCP server which addresses to use in the absence of any 
other specifications.


I guess my router doesn't work this way. If I want to reserve an address 
outside the DHCP range, then it says "Cannot reserve address outside of 
DHCP range".


--
Kind regards

Flo

Re: [gentoo-user] netifrc, configure by SSID and MAC simultaneously?

[Peter Humphrey]

On Friday 21 Apr 2017 14:20:06 Florian Gamböck wrote:

> I got this pre-configured router from my internet provider and I have
> *very* limited access to the configuration. I have no telnet and no ssh,
> as far as I can tell. For example, when I want to change my wifi
> configuration, I have to do that online on my provider's website, which
> obviously triggers some kind of over-the-air update to my router. After
> an automatic restart, the new (readonly) configuration shows up on my
> router.

Have you considered spending a little money, ditching the router and 
substituting one that you can control? Reasonably capable routers aren't 
expensive.

-- 
Regards
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] netifrc, configure by SSID and MAC simultaneously?

[Neil Bothwick]

On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 14:20:07 +0200, Florian Gamböck wrote:

> > You should allocate static addresses from outside of the DHCP
> > reserved range. For example, set the DHCP range to 192.168.1.100-200
> > then allocate static addresses from below there.  
> 
> That's what I've been doing until now, which is why I originally
> started this thread.
> 
> What Mick meant was configuring the router, so it reserves IP addresses 
> for specified MAC addresses. These "almost" static addresses have to be 
> taken from within the DHCP range, because it is actually the DHCP
> server that provides them. I used routers in the past which worked
> perfectly with this setup, but somehow the machines I have to use
> nowadays don't like anything wich is not plain old DHCP.

I was referring to the situation where you use the DHCP server to give
out pseudo-static addresses. I have always used addresses outside of, but
in the same subnet as, the reserved range. The reserved range just tells
the DHCP server which addresses to use in the absence of any other
specifications.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

You can't teach a new mouse old clicks.


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Re: [gentoo-user] netifrc, configure by SSID and MAC simultaneously?

[Florian Gamböck]

On 2017-04-19 12:17, Mick wrote:

On Wednesday 19 Apr 2017 12:46:09 Florian Gamböck wrote:

On 2017-04-18 20:41, Mick wrote:
Assuming you have access to your home's router, you can configure on 
it a static IP address for the MAC address of the Raspi.


That's what I've been doing in the past, but my Cisco router had 
problems with that. It tried to give away addresses I have 
specifically reserved and it ended up cutting the connections and 
refusing to let new machines connect as long as there was a conflict.


Hmm ... I never had this experience with Cisco IOS.  It may be worth 
updating the router and WAP firmware in case this was due to a bug. 
The router should never allocate IP addresses from its reserved IP 
address table, although it will not be able to stop PCs using these 
addresses themselves if they were manually configured so.


I got this pre-configured router from my internet provider and I have 
*very* limited access to the configuration. I have no telnet and no ssh, 
as far as I can tell. For example, when I want to change my wifi 
configuration, I have to do that online on my provider's website, which 
obviously triggers some kind of over-the-air update to my router. After 
an automatic restart, the new (readonly) configuration shows up on my 
router.


However, I *do* have access to the LAN configuration, including DHCP 
range and the like. And yes, you are right, if I reserve addresses, the 
router *should* not give these addresses away to other machines. I 
shouted at the router and telling her that, but she wouldn't listen.


And if it is really a problem with the clients, then multiple Linux 
machines, multiple Android devices, Sony's PlayStation 4, and a lonely 
Windows laptop all share the same bug, namely wanting to have the same 
IP address via DHCP and failing to obtain another one.


If I don't reserve addresses from DHCP range and use statically 
configured addresses outside the range with some computers, then there 
is no problem with DHCP and the other machines that connect.


So I take this fact as my baseline and work from there.

Besides, I like having configuration files on my computers, which I 
can exchange and adjust as I like, without the need to click through 
heavily overloaded router configuration WebApps.


If it is a Cisco running IOS there should be SSH access to run CLI 
commands for it.  If however it is a Cisco-branded cheap appliance, 
then it would probably not have any relationship with IOS, but it may 
be able to run OpenWRT or equivalent on its SoC.


No SSH, no possibility to replace the firmware, no other way to connect 
to the internet. Sorry.


Have a look at the documentation provided by netifrc, it is well 
commented with detailed examples:


less /usr/share/doc/netifrc-0.5.1/net.example.bz2


I did multiple times, but obviously this specific syntax didn't reach my 
mind. Thanks again!


--
Kind regards

Flo

Re: [gentoo-user] netifrc, configure by SSID and MAC simultaneously?

[Florian Gamböck]

Hi Neil!

On 2017-04-19 12:00, Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 12:46:09 +0200, Florian Gamböck wrote:

On 2017-04-18 20:41, Mick wrote:
Assuming you have access to your home's router, you can configure on 
it a static IP address for the MAC address of the Raspi.  The home 
router will not allocate any such reserved IP address to any other 
device, but reserve it for the Raspi's MAC address.


That's what I've been doing in the past, but my Cisco router had 
problems with that. It tried to give away addresses I have 
specifically reserved and it ended up cutting the connections and 
refusing to let new machines connect as long as there was a conflict.


You should allocate static addresses from outside of the DHCP reserved 
range. For example, set the DHCP range to 192.168.1.100-200 then 
allocate static addresses from below there.


That's what I've been doing until now, which is why I originally started 
this thread.


What Mick meant was configuring the router, so it reserves IP addresses 
for specified MAC addresses. These "almost" static addresses have to be 
taken from within the DHCP range, because it is actually the DHCP server 
that provides them. I used routers in the past which worked perfectly 
with this setup, but somehow the machines I have to use nowadays don't 
like anything wich is not plain old DHCP.


Besides, I like having configuration files on my computers, which I 
can exchange and adjust as I like, without the need to click through 
heavily overloaded router configuration WebApps.


If you have an always on computer on your network, I would recommend 
trying dnsmasq. It has a DHCP server and means you can do all your 
network configuration in the one place, with simple text config files.


This sounds really promising, thank you for this tip! And also thank you 
Peter and Paul for your feedback!


I will put it on my ToDo list and consider it the next time I'm about to 
kick my router! ;-)


--
Kind regards

Flo

Re: [gentoo-user] netifrc, configure by SSID and MAC simultaneously?

[Florian Gamböck]

On 2017-04-19 12:46, Florian Gamböck wrote:

On 2017-04-18 20:41, Mick wrote:

(...)

Something like this should work:

# Define the gateway you want to configure 
gateways_eth0="192.168.0.254,AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF,192.168.0.10"


# Define the default route for gateway 192.168.0.254 
routes_192168000254_AABBCCDDEEFF="default via 192.168.0.254"


# Define the IP and netmask when using gateway 192.168.0.254 
config_192168000254_AABBCCDDEEFF="192.168.0.10/24"


# Define the DNS servers to use with gateway 
dns_servers_192168000254_AABBCCDDEEFF="192.168.0.254"


# Then you need to add a line for all other routers the Raspi may 
connect to: fallback_eth0="dhcp"


(...)


(...)

I'll try it the next days and report back afterwards!


That was really a great advice, a big thank you again! It works as 
expected.


Just a few notes for future reference:

config_eth0="arping" was necessary for this module to load and for the 
gateways_* variables to be parsed.


I needed to emerge net-misc/iputils with "arping" USE flag. The 
net-analyzer/arping package is *not* sufficient, because it doesn't work 
with the spoofing address in the gateway variable.


Another side-note: If I am connected to another network, so DHCP is 
used, and I change networks, as in "lose connection from the network and 
re-connecting with my home network", then the above configs are *not* 
used, DHCP is used. But this might be a bug in netifrc or a missing hook 
in my configs. I'll look more into it and start another thread or even a 
bug report if I'm not able to solve it.


--
Kind regards

Flo

Re: [gentoo-user] Palemoon again - again

[Miroslav Rovis]

On 170421-07:04+0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Thursday 20 Apr 2017 17:59:13 Walter Dnes wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:06:12AM +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote
> > 
> > > On Monday 17 Apr 2017 13:05:59 Walter Dnes wrote:
> > > > 2) USE="-system-libs" is recommended.  Yes, this does make the binary
> > > > slightly larger.  But it avoids problems where changing API/ABI in the
> > > > system lib causes subtle problems for the program.  It may also reduce
> > > > dependancies pulled in, depending on what your other programs have
> > > > pulled in.
> > > 
> > > I don't see any of those USE flags. This is from the octopus overlay:
https://github.com/Bfgeshka/octopus
where it sticks out (very much, for me, because I actively decrypt
rather often):
palemoon with system-nss support

which could be a good thing. But I'm not sure it would really be
necessary. palemoon-overlay with stock palemoon:
https://github.com/deuiore/palemoon-overlay
, which packages its own nss, not system's nss, and it hasn't shown to
be deficient, in my experience (but I'm not very advanced).

I'll gladly read more reviews if anyone is willing to share, about
octopus vs palemoon-overlay (which differently compile Pale Moon).

> > > 
> > > [ebuild   R   ~] www-client/palemoon-27.2.1::octopus  USE="alsa dbus
> > > ffmpeg gtk2 official-branding optimize printing speech spell wave webm
> > > -devtools -gtk3 -jemalloc -necko-wifi -pulseaudio -shared-js
> > > -strip-binaries -system-cairo -system-compress -system-images
> > > -system-libevent -system-pixman -system-spell -system-sqlite -system-vpx
> > > -valgrind -webrtc" 0 KiB
> > 
> >   That ebuild does things differently.  The other palemoon ebuild was
> > all-or-nothing for a bunch of system libs.  The octopus ebuild is
> > granular, allowing separate choices for system-cairo system-compress
> > system-images system-libevent system-pixman system-spell system-sqlite
> > and system-vpx.
> 
> As I'm now on sys-devel/gcc-5.4.0-r3 I'll have to assess what to do next. 
> That will be after I've finished sorting out another problem I have.

That's just fine. Take your time. I'll also be interested to know.
Maybe I get an answer to my questions (such as the one above) without
much (more) investigating myself about it (I myself often get lost in
the amount of learning to get the right things done).

Just in case, you can have more then one gcc, i.e. you can have both 4.x
and 5.x gcc, like:

# equery l gcc
 * Searching for gcc ...
[I-O] [  ] cross-arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi/gcc-5.4.0-r3:5.4.0
[IP-] [  ] sys-devel/gcc-4.9.4:4.9.4
[IP-] [  ] sys-devel/gcc-5.4.0-r3:5.4.0
#
if you set:

# grep multislot /etc/portage/package.use/package.use.file 
sys-devel/gcc multislot fortran
#

[if you set] the "multislot" use flag. I previously followed the
recommandation to build with gcc 4-x. I changed later.

Regards!
-- 
Miroslav Rovis
Zagreb, Croatia
https://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr


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Re: [gentoo-user] konqueror:5 - why couldn't it be more like konqueror:3 ?!!

[Mick]

On Thursday 20 Apr 2017 16:43:49 R0b0t1 wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Mick  wrote:
> > On Thursday 20 Apr 2017 14:22:06 R0b0t1 wrote:
> >> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Mick  wrote:
> >> > OK, I know life moves on, but this move has been a retrograde step for
> >> > me.
> >> > 
> >> >  My konqueror:5 recently updated seems to have a number of problems and
> >> > 
> >> >  features I am not happy with.  Grateful for any pointers to
> >> > address these.  In no particular order.
> >> > 
> >> > 1. The Bookmarks Toolbar will *always* show up when launching
> >> > Konqueror.
> >> > I
> >> > deselect Settings/Toolbars Shown/Bookmark Toolbar and relaunch the
> >> > application, only to find out my deselection will not stick.
> >> > 
> >> > 2. The menu shows no icons, only text; buttons like open new tab/close
> >> > current tab show no icons, making difficult to guess.
> >> > 
> >> > 3. When used as a file manager Konqueror will only open directories or
> >> > files if I double click on them.  I have set up in systemsettings5
> >> > Hardware/Input Devices/Mouse/Single click to open files and folders.
> >> > Konqueror ignores it.
> >> > 
> >> > 4. All my years of Bookmarks of Konqueror:4 gone.  I had to import them
> >> > manually.
> >> > 
> >> > 5. Network places, gone.
> >> > 
> >> > 6. Left hand Panels with Places/Devices/Folders ain't thaa'r.
> >> > 
> >> > 7. Konqueror Introduction page, no icons; unless I hover over them,
> >> > hyperlinked titles shown in dark grey over a blue background.  I know
> >> > my
> >> > eye sight is not as good as it used to be, but this is really akin to
> >> > usability sabotage.
> >> > 
> >> > The are probably more problems I have not captured above, but my
> >> > experience of konqueror:5 is that of crippleware.  I don't know if this
> >> > has anything to do with it, I am not running konqueror on a full plasma
> >> > desktop, but as a stand alone application.  Have you observed similar?
> >> > 
> >> > --
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mick
> >> 
> >> You should take your complaints to the project's bug tracker. I know
> >> they will take number 7 very seriously, and seeing as you've used the
> >> project for an appreciable amount of time they will likely consider
> >> most of your other issues.
> >> 
> >> At the very least they would probably tell you how to do what you
> >> don't know how to do. If they can't insist that there has been a
> >> regression.
> > 
> > Thanks R0b0t1, I don't want to darken their doorstep of devs with issues
> > which appear isolated to my systems.  Other M/L participants many of whom
> > are running the full Plasma desktop, do not seem to have such problems. 
> > So, I'm guessing I must be missing some package or other to complement
> > the required functionality.
> 
> I have to disagree with you here. There is no way I can see the
> developers responding negatively, though time might be short for new
> (or "reintroduced") features. I feel it necessary to mention that
> seventh item again, which they will take very seriously.
> 
> > I'm still on kmail:4 and all menu icons are shown and functionality is not
> > crippled in any way.  I fear what might happen when I eventually have to
> > install kmail:5.
> 
> I feel this is also something you should express to the developers,
> but admittedly I don't know the best place. Perhaps a mailing list. I
> understand there is a time investment but if you have any to spare it
> will almost assuredly spark a constructive conversation.

R0b0t1's comments prompted me to search in Konqueror's bug reports to see if I 
am alone in the above complains.  It seems not, with respect to some of them.

What Alan said was correct, there is only one developer trying to keep the 
boat afloat.  A lot of the code working fine on KDE-4 has not been ported to 
Plasma and unless man power increases it is unlikely features like the missing 
sidebar/panel will be reinstated:

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373824

Furthermore, the current maintainer only intends to maintain the Konqueror 
code as a khtml/webkit browser, not a file manager.  For that he refers all 
comers to Dolphin.

Oh well, if only I could code ...  ;-)

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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[gentoo-user] crypto with dolphin:5

[Mick]

I've updated dolphin to kde-apps/dolphin-16.12.3 and elog advised me:

* Messages for package kde-apps/dolphin-16.12.3:

 * For crypto actions, please install kde-apps/kleopatra:5

So off I went keywording kleopatra:5, only to discover that it needs USE flags 
[cxx,qt5] which I recall were disabled recently, or gpgme would not install.  
This is the output I get.

# emerge -1aNDv kde-apps/kleopatra:5

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!

emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy ">=app-crypt/gpgme-1.7.1[cxx,qt5]".
(dependency required by "kde-apps/kleopatra-17.04.0::gentoo" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "kde-apps/kleopatra:5" [argument])


So, what's the recommended way forward?
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] konqueror:5 - why couldn't it be more like konqueror:3 ?!!

[Peter Humphrey]

On Friday 21 Apr 2017 00:31:47 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 20/04/2017 21:22, R0b0t1 wrote:
> > And to everyone: KDE-5 doesn't exist, what you are probably referring
> > to is Plasma 5.
> 
> yes you are completely correct. But old habits die hard, and for me KDE
> has always been KDE- :-)
> 
> I blame it on an old brain where most of the neurons stopped working
> ages ago and 30 years of IT work junk leaves no spares

I claim 45 years to explain my most egregious lapses.  :)

-- 
Regards
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Palemoon again - again

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday 20 Apr 2017 17:59:13 Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:06:12AM +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote
> 
> > On Monday 17 Apr 2017 13:05:59 Walter Dnes wrote:
> > > 2) USE="-system-libs" is recommended.  Yes, this does make the binary
> > > slightly larger.  But it avoids problems where changing API/ABI in the
> > > system lib causes subtle problems for the program.  It may also reduce
> > > dependancies pulled in, depending on what your other programs have
> > > pulled in.
> > 
> > I don't see any of those USE flags. This is from the octopus overlay:
> > 
> > [ebuild   R   ~] www-client/palemoon-27.2.1::octopus  USE="alsa dbus
> > ffmpeg gtk2 official-branding optimize printing speech spell wave webm
> > -devtools -gtk3 -jemalloc -necko-wifi -pulseaudio -shared-js
> > -strip-binaries -system-cairo -system-compress -system-images
> > -system-libevent -system-pixman -system-spell -system-sqlite -system-vpx
> > -valgrind -webrtc" 0 KiB
> 
>   That ebuild does things differently.  The other palemoon ebuild was
> all-or-nothing for a bunch of system libs.  The octopus ebuild is
> granular, allowing separate choices for system-cairo system-compress
> system-images system-libevent system-pixman system-spell system-sqlite
> and system-vpx.

As I'm now on sys-devel/gcc-5.4.0-r3 I'll have to assess what to do next. 
That will be after I've finished sorting out another problem I have.

-- 
Regards
Peter