Re: [GNC] Fwd: Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

Yep, as noted earlier in the thread (and another thread some weeks ago) I don’t 
think that Mailman setting is working properly.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 12:15 AM, Dave H  wrote:
> 
> Hello people,
> 
> Please note the following as Reply All apparently has unintended
> consequences.
> 
> Cheers Dave H.
> 
> 
> Hello Dave...
> 
> Please edit the message's 'to' list before you reply to a mailing list
> message. I read the list, I get the message you send to the list, I
> don't need an additional copy sent directly to me when it's not even my
> message you are replying to. That's just lazy. Thanks.
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

I can see the X-mailer header. I’m aware of Claws Mail. The questions were 
rhetorical, sorry.

Interesting though that you have 154 filters shoveling mail into 80 folders 
(with 28 of them top level) yet you prefer to ‘filter’ gnucash-user without any 
of that...

You’re right, this is ridiculous.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 11:10 PM, listreader  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 16:17:55 -0500
> Adrien Monteleone  wrote:
> 
>> What is your e-mail client? Can it not filter mail? Can it not tag
>> mail? Can it not handle mailing-lists?
> 
> Hello Adrien...
> 
> Mail clients are usually identified in the email header (X-mailer,
> User-Agent, or etc) so I'm not sure why you are asking since mine is
> right there in front of you but whatever. You can see that mine is
> Claws Mail. And, yes, of course it can filter, tag, and/or handle
> mailing lists. It is, in fact, likely the most configurable gui mail
> client there is in any OS, though I myself hardly use it to it's maximum
> capabilities.
> 
> I'm an old timer, left over from arpanet days, so I 'live' in email
> probably far more than most people nowadays.  I use 3 mail servers: (1)
> my cable isp, (2) a 'free mail' provider whose name doesn't start with
> the letter 'g', and (3) my owned domain's mail server.
> 
> I 'filter' at the server level, I have completely separate email
> accounts for many of my contacts, a different address for each, and
> where volume is low to a particular contact, I use aliases, again at
> the server level.  This is supplemented at the client level with 154
> additional filters (yeah, I actually just counted them for this
> message), some of which have multiple if/or sub-filters, all ending up
> in 28 main folders with additional sub-folders below some of those, 80
> folders in total, not counting archive and spam folders.  I think
> that's enough, thanks, don't need more.  So I prefer to 'filter' the
> mailing list folder with just my eyes.
> 
> And this discussion is all now so ridiculously off-topic to this list's
> purpose that maybe we need a new subject prefix '[GNC-OT]' for 'off
> topic' discussions, so we can filter it out :-)
> 
> Ralph
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[GNC] Fwd: Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Dave H]

Hello people,

Please note the following as Reply All apparently has unintended
consequences.

Cheers Dave H.


Hello Dave...

Please edit the message's 'to' list before you reply to a mailing list
message. I read the list, I get the message you send to the list, I
don't need an additional copy sent directly to me when it's not even my
message you are replying to. That's just lazy. Thanks.
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[GNC] 回覆: Additional filter option (by number) for Transaction report

[l l]

Thank you Christopher ! I will give it a try.

Whistler

寄件者: gnucash-user  代表 
Christopher Lam 
寄件日期: 2018年4月10日 13:01
收件者: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
主旨: Re: [GNC] Additional filter option (by number) for Transaction report

To Whistler and Amish:

/If you have upgraded to Gnucash 2.7 onwards:/

To Whistler: See attached patch - you can apply to your sources and
rebuild, or patch transaction.scm in gnucash installation folder.

To Amish: You can set Filter/Transaction Filter regex option to true,
and use POSIX regular expressions to your content (which may not have an
intuitive negative-string matcher).

HTH

C

On 10/04/18 20:16, Amish wrote:
> Not sending a new email for a similar feature.
>
> Is there a way to have a Negative filter.
>
> Like Memo *not* containing word "Credit Note"
>
> Amish.
>
>
> On Tuesday 10 April 2018 04:02 PM, C Whistler wrote:
>> Dear community,
>>
>> I have started using Gnucash recently and would like to use the existing
>> transaction report to filter out specific transactions.
>>
>> Though currently I cannot find the option to filter transaction by
>> number.
>>
>> I am guessing the easiest way would be to modify the exiting
>> Transaction.scm. If someone could kindly give me a hand for the code to
>> add/modify please it will be much appreciated.
>> (I have some experience in scripting and am starting to pick up
>> scheme now.)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Whistler

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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[listreader]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 07:11:43 +0500
D  wrote:

> I am fully aware of the limitations of self-selected surveys and
> their validity of gauging sentiment. I was not intending to submit my
> research to any peer reviewed journals. I *will* note that the
> replies to my own non-scientific survey continue to trend at about
> three to one against, which, while not necessarily statistically
> valid, nevertheless tends to indicate an overall negative view of the
> decision.
> 
> I am more concerned that these changes were implemented at the urging
> of (at the time) a grand total of TWO individual requests, all
> without any request for feedback from the rest of the readership. And
> now, when it has been raised as an issue, I'm not hearing any
> indication of a reversal.
> 
> So, if I suggest that the list prefix should use emojis instead
> (like, say, []), and someone (perversely) agrees with that, will
> that get implemented? It is distinctive, and one third shorter than
> "GNC", after all.
 
Hello David...

I personally find the Prefix VERY useful, as explained in another post,
but I could if I wished simply code a pre-processing of the incoming
gnucash-user emails to add a '[GNC]' to the subject if it wasn't there,
probably would take me a few seconds to do so, I just never thought to
do so before. Likewise, you could write a pre-process that removes the
'[GNC]' on your incoming emails if you so desired, assuming your email
client supports it. IMHO, this is NOT a real issue to get aggravated
about.

Anyway, in my 'just a user' opinion this also isn't really the way to
go about it.  A technical mailing list is not a democratic institution.
Take it up with the mailing list administrator directly, off list, and
leave the list for actual GnuCash discussions. Just my 2 and 3/4 cents
(inflation, you know...) 

Ralph
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[listreader]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 16:17:55 -0500
Adrien Monteleone  wrote:

> What is your e-mail client? Can it not filter mail? Can it not tag
> mail? Can it not handle mailing-lists?

Hello Adrien...

Mail clients are usually identified in the email header (X-mailer,
User-Agent, or etc) so I'm not sure why you are asking since mine is
right there in front of you but whatever. You can see that mine is
Claws Mail. And, yes, of course it can filter, tag, and/or handle
mailing lists. It is, in fact, likely the most configurable gui mail
client there is in any OS, though I myself hardly use it to it's maximum
capabilities.

I'm an old timer, left over from arpanet days, so I 'live' in email
probably far more than most people nowadays.  I use 3 mail servers: (1)
my cable isp, (2) a 'free mail' provider whose name doesn't start with
the letter 'g', and (3) my owned domain's mail server.

I 'filter' at the server level, I have completely separate email
accounts for many of my contacts, a different address for each, and
where volume is low to a particular contact, I use aliases, again at
the server level.  This is supplemented at the client level with 154
additional filters (yeah, I actually just counted them for this
message), some of which have multiple if/or sub-filters, all ending up
in 28 main folders with additional sub-folders below some of those, 80
folders in total, not counting archive and spam folders.  I think
that's enough, thanks, don't need more.  So I prefer to 'filter' the
mailing list folder with just my eyes.

And this discussion is all now so ridiculously off-topic to this list's
purpose that maybe we need a new subject prefix '[GNC-OT]' for 'off
topic' discussions, so we can filter it out :-)

Ralph
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

To be fair, and as I noted in another reply, not often around these parts. But 
I have seen it on other lists. The most likely case would be devs from other 
projects (maybe GTK) getting involved in a discussion on the gnucash-devel list.

However, I see the dev list now has their own tag, which is quite odd since 
I’ve yet to see a developer chime in support of this. The ones I recognize so 
far are all not particularly keen on it.

I sure hope no one posts to both -dev and -user for the same message. What will 
we get when replies start flying from and to each?

Oh, I take that back, I just stopped to check that list, and it seems JohnR 
cross-posts release announcements to both. (And possibly -announce as well) 
Tick-tock...

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Rich Shepard  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> 
>> I can see how cross-posted messages would turn into tag soup if every list
>> followed this behavior.
> 
> Adrien,
> 
>  Without intending to take the thread onto a different track, how common
> are corss-posted messages? Where are they cross-posted? I've not seen any,
> on any mail list to which I'm subscribed.
> 
> Rich
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

My copy of that message shows Dave copied you directly, you’re probably looking 
at that version which is why there are no associated list headers.

You don’t need three separate filters. I attached a screenshot of the rules I 
set way back earlier in the thread. (as have others)

the tl;dr is you just set three ‘any’ conditions, one each on To, CC, and From 
‘contains’ ‘gnucash-user’ then either tag or file away as desired. You could 
probably even manage something that pre-pends the [GNC] if you like.

It’s not difficult.

We’re all people using double entry accounting for crying out loud. If we can 
manage that, we can manage e-mail filtering and tagging.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 8:44 PM, William Bixby  wrote:
> 
> Interesting, in my emails from Gnucash I do not see any headers with tags
> mailing-list
> mailed-by
> 
> On most of them I see a tag
> List-id
> But that is not a field I can filter on from my ISP
> 
> In this message from Dave I see my email as the to: and
> Gnucash Users  
> The only lists I see in my inbox today with a mailing-list tag are from 
> yahoo-groups.
> 
> So the filters Dave suggests would be incomplete, a CC is also needed.
> Maybe also a 'From' just to be sure?
> 
> The emails from the list seem to have a variety of header forms, perhaps 
> depending on the mailers used for the reply, or the reply-to or reply-list or 
> reply-all forms. Seems hard to keep track of all the possibilities.
> 
> Instead of requiring 2-3 or more filters for each list, the subject code 
> allows a single filter to do the job, consistently, never misses.
> 
> On 04/10/2018 08:43 PM, Dave H wrote:
>> The headers include :-
>>   to:Gnucash Users > >
>> mailing list: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
>> mailed-by: gnucash.org 
>> if those aren't sufficient to filter on what is :-)
>> Cheers Dave H.
>> On 11 April 2018 at 10:11, William Bixby > > wrote:
>>Adrien, my headers for your message show this email is from you, not
>>the list:
>>From:  Adrien Monteleone >>
>>Mime-Version:  1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\))
>>Date:  Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:17:55 -0500
>>To:  Gnucash Users >>
>>Subject:  Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
>>List-Id:  General Accounting Discussions >>
>>On 04/10/2018 06:17 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>>The mail already *is* from the list.
>>This can get flubbed when people start using reply-all and
>>leaving the original senders in the mix. As this continues in
>>the thread, individual e-mail addresses start bouncing around
>>between To and CC and the list address usually gets relegated to
>>CC permanently. But it doesn’t matter because one can always set
>>their filters to include To, CC and From (if not also, or
>>instead, reply-to) and there should be no issue.
>>There is a case for reply-all, but it involves cross-posted
>>messages (to other lists) or one-off participants who aren’t
>>list members. This is pretty rare here. (Occasionally you’ll see
>>a message posted on both -dev and -user but not often and so
>>many are on both) I don’t think I’ve seen any cross-postings to
>>outside lists. On the off chance a non-member participates (with
>>moderator approval) it would likely be obvious and you could
>>include their personal address.
>>Regards,
>>Adrien
>>On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Dale Alspach
>>> wrote:
>>Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix:
>>Would having the email from be from the list
>>(gnucash-user@gnucash.org )
>>instead of the user (original sender) serve as well?
>>This would also help with the "remember to reply to the
>>list" issue. Reply,
>>Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address.
>>I believe the mailing list software would still put the
>>original sender
>>address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be
>>possible.
>>Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I
>>believe that in
>>the case of gnucash-user this is the de facto preference of
>>the maintainers
>>and developers.
>>Dale
>>On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Rich Shepard
>>

Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

I stand corrected. I could have sworn it was ‘from’ the list, but alas...

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 7:11 PM, William Bixby  wrote:
> 
> Adrien, my headers for your message show this email is from you, not the list:
> From:  Adrien Monteleone 
> Mime-Version:  1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\))
> Date:  Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:17:55 -0500
> To:  Gnucash Users 
> Subject:  Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
> List-Id:  General Accounting Discussions 
> 
> 
> 
> On 04/10/2018 06:17 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>> The mail already *is* from the list.
>> This can get flubbed when people start using reply-all and leaving the 
>> original senders in the mix. As this continues in the thread, individual 
>> e-mail addresses start bouncing around between To and CC and the list 
>> address usually gets relegated to CC permanently. But it doesn’t matter 
>> because one can always set their filters to include To, CC and From (if not 
>> also, or instead, reply-to) and there should be no issue.
>> There is a case for reply-all, but it involves cross-posted messages (to 
>> other lists) or one-off participants who aren’t list members. This is pretty 
>> rare here. (Occasionally you’ll see a message posted on both -dev and -user 
>> but not often and so many are on both) I don’t think I’ve seen any 
>> cross-postings to outside lists. On the off chance a non-member participates 
>> (with moderator approval) it would likely be obvious and you could include 
>> their personal address.
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>>> On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Dale Alspach  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix:
>>> Would having the email from be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org)
>>> instead of the user (original sender) serve as well?
>>> 
>>> This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue. Reply,
>>> Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address.
>>> I believe the mailing list software would still put the original sender
>>> address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be possible.
>>> 
>>> Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I believe that in
>>> the case of gnucash-user this is the de facto preference of the maintainers
>>> and developers.
>>> 
>>> Dale
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Rich Shepard 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote:
 
 Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my
> experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they
> don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same
> 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.
> 
 
  Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a dozen
 mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't.
 Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only time
 the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic.
 
  GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag
 makes
 no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort incoming
 messages it could well be helpful.
 
  If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in my
 opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small device
 and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to
 scroll horizontally as well as vertically.
 
 Rich
 
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Re: [GNC] 2.6.21???

[John Ralls]

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 5:52 PM, randix  wrote:
> 
> So I saw an announcement that 2.6.21 was released, when to Sourceforge and
> got the attached error message... is it in fact available for download (for
> windows)???
> 
> See attached.
> 
>  

I hadn’t unmasked the directory, sorry. Try again now.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[William Bixby]

Oh yes, I was looking at the detailed headers from my webmail version.
only 4 tags displayed with details turned off, 43 header tags in detail.

But no mailing-list, closest is list-id.

Many of the tags are prefixed X- and appear to be tags added by the 
ISP's virus and spam processing or details of the message routing.


examples
X-Spam-Status
X-Spam-Checker-Version:
X-Virus-Status:
X-USANET-Received
X-USANET-Source
X-Mailman-Version:  2.1.21

Perhaps the ISP's Mailman translates the mailing-list tag to list-id.
(and 5 other list- tags)
If so, I wouldn't be surprised if other ISPs made comparable updates, so 
a general 'rule' to filter on mailing-list may not be as universal as 
suspected.


No one filter plan works for all ISPs and mail agents and webmails, etc.
Except for filtering by the subject line tag for the list.
Hence for the preponderance of lists using subject line tags.


On 04/10/2018 10:23 PM, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:

2018-04-10T21:44:15-0400 William Bixby wrote:

Interesting, in my emails from Gnucash I do not see any headers with tags
mailing-list
mailed-by


Depends on email reader software (or webmail if you use it), although
good webmail also let's you inspect the message in raw form (which will
of course show all header fields).


On most of them I see a tag
List-id
But that is not a field I can filter on from my ISP

In this message from Dave I see my email as the to: and
Gnucash Users 

Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

2018-04-10T21:44:15-0400 William Bixby wrote:
> Interesting, in my emails from Gnucash I do not see any headers with tags
> mailing-list
> mailed-by

Depends on email reader software (or webmail if you use it), although
good webmail also let's you inspect the message in raw form (which will
of course show all header fields).

> On most of them I see a tag
> List-id
> But that is not a field I can filter on from my ISP
>
> In this message from Dave I see my email as the to: and
> Gnucash Users  So the filters Dave suggests would be incomplete, a CC is also needed.
> Maybe also a 'From' just to be sure?
>
> The emails from the list seem to have a variety of header forms,
> perhaps depending on the mailers used for the reply, or the reply-to
> or reply-list or reply-all forms. Seems hard to keep track of all the
> possibilities.
>
> Instead of requiring 2-3 or more filters for each list, the subject
> code allows a single filter to do the job, consistently, never misses.

Some filters allow you to match field names with a regular expression
standard/syntax --- /e.g./: "^\(To\|Cc\|List-id\)" if they have
separated space to match only the field *names*, or
"^\(To\|Cc\|List-id\):.*gnucash-user@gnucash\.org" if they don't, both
examples use GNU Emacs regular expressions but the email filter you use
might require other syntax --- or the filter might also allow you to
chain some condition checks --- /e.g./: ( To OR Cc OR List-id ) ==
"gnucash-user@gnucash.org".
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Dave H]

Yes please can we have emojis instead :-)

Your concerns are also mine, it was requested by one person who didn't seem
to be a regular reader/contributor and someone else that also looked to be
a non-contributor to the mailing list followed up with a wow this is a
great idea.  Despite a few people at the time saying they didn't want it,
Liz chose to implement it and we haven't heard a dicky bird from her
since.  I would have much preferred some sort of survey of the list to
gauge support for the proposal before arbitrarily forcing it on everyone.

Might as well go off to Nabble and read all about it :-)

Cheers Dave H.


On 11 April 2018 at 12:11, D via gnucash-user 
wrote:

> Ralph,
>
> I am fully aware of the limitations of self-selected surveys and their
> validity of gauging sentiment. I was not intending to submit my research to
> any peer reviewed journals.
>
> I *will* note that the replies to my own non-scientific survey continue to
> trend at about three to one against, which, while not necessarily
> statistically valid, nevertheless tends to indicate an overall negative
> view of the decision.
>
> I am more concerned that these changes were implemented at the urging of
> (at the time) a grand total of TWO individual requests, all without any
> request for feedback from the rest of the readership. And now, when it has
> been raised as an issue, I'm not hearing any indication of a reversal.
>
> So, if I suggest that the list prefix should use emojis instead (like,
> say, []), and someone (perversely) agrees with that, will that get
> implemented? It is distinctive, and one third shorter than "GNC", after all.
>
> David T.
>
>
>
> On April 11, 2018, at 1:20 AM, listreader  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 22:00:33 +0500
> "David T. via gnucash-user"  wrote:
>
> > I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far,
> > and it appears that 7 people are in favor of this change.
> >
> > In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have
> > expressed negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest
> > of objectivity, I am one of this group.]
> >
> > It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on
> > the opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies
> > prior to implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three
> > times the number of readers expressed their objectons to it.
>
> Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means.  In my
> experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes'
> they don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the
> same 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.
>
> I subscribe to around 20 very busy mailing lists, all intentionally
> sent to the same mailbox folder so as not to interfere with all my
> other more urgent business and personal mailbox folders, and all but
> GnuCash have always used a subject prefix. (including one which uses the
> useless/annoying '[Users]' as its prefix but that is another story).
> The prefix is EXTREMELY useful to me. So add me to the 'approve' side
> of your tally.
>
> Ralph
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[D via gnucash-user]

Ralph,

I am fully aware of the limitations of self-selected surveys and their validity 
of gauging sentiment. I was not intending to submit my research to any peer 
reviewed journals.
 
I *will* note that the replies to my own non-scientific survey continue to 
trend at about three to one against, which, while not necessarily statistically 
valid, nevertheless tends to indicate an overall negative view of the decision.

I am more concerned that these changes were implemented at the urging of (at 
the time) a grand total of TWO individual requests, all without any request for 
feedback from the rest of the readership. And now, when it has been raised as 
an issue, I'm not hearing any indication of a reversal.

So, if I suggest that the list prefix should use emojis instead (like, say, 
[]), and someone (perversely) agrees with that, will that get implemented? It 
is distinctive, and one third shorter than "GNC", after all.

David T.



On April 11, 2018, at 1:20 AM, listreader  wrote:

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 22:00:33 +0500
"David T. via gnucash-user"  wrote:

> I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far,
> and it appears that 7 people are in favor of this change.
> 
> In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have
> expressed negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest
> of objectivity, I am one of this group.]
> 
> It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on
> the opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies
> prior to implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three
> times the number of readers expressed their objectons to it.

Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means.  In my
experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes'
they don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the
same 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.

I subscribe to around 20 very busy mailing lists, all intentionally
sent to the same mailbox folder so as not to interfere with all my
other more urgent business and personal mailbox folders, and all but
GnuCash have always used a subject prefix. (including one which uses the
useless/annoying '[Users]' as its prefix but that is another story).
The prefix is EXTREMELY useful to me. So add me to the 'approve' side
of your tally.

Ralph
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[William Bixby]

Interesting, in my emails from Gnucash I do not see any headers with tags
mailing-list
mailed-by

On most of them I see a tag
List-id
But that is not a field I can filter on from my ISP

In this message from Dave I see my email as the to: and
Gnucash Users >

mailing list: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
mailed-by: gnucash.org 

if those aren't sufficient to filter on what is :-)

Cheers Dave H.





On 11 April 2018 at 10:11, William Bixby > wrote:


Adrien, my headers for your message show this email is from you, not
the list:
From:  Adrien Monteleone >
Mime-Version:  1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\))
Date:  Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:17:55 -0500
To:  Gnucash Users >
Subject:  Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
List-Id:  General Accounting Discussions http://gnucash-user.gnucash.org>>




On 04/10/2018 06:17 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

The mail already *is* from the list.

This can get flubbed when people start using reply-all and
leaving the original senders in the mix. As this continues in
the thread, individual e-mail addresses start bouncing around
between To and CC and the list address usually gets relegated to
CC permanently. But it doesn’t matter because one can always set
their filters to include To, CC and From (if not also, or
instead, reply-to) and there should be no issue.

There is a case for reply-all, but it involves cross-posted
messages (to other lists) or one-off participants who aren’t
list members. This is pretty rare here. (Occasionally you’ll see
a message posted on both -dev and -user but not often and so
many are on both) I don’t think I’ve seen any cross-postings to
outside lists. On the off chance a non-member participates (with
moderator approval) it would likely be obvious and you could
include their personal address.

Regards,
Adrien

On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Dale Alspach
> wrote:

Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix:
Would having the email from be from the list
(gnucash-user@gnucash.org )
instead of the user (original sender) serve as well?

This would also help with the "remember to reply to the
list" issue. Reply,
Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address.
I believe the mailing list software would still put the
original sender
address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be
possible.

Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I
believe that in
the case of gnucash-user this is the de facto preference of
the maintainers
and developers.

Dale


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Rich Shepard
>
wrote:

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote:

Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it
means. In my

experience, far more people are likely to complain
about 'changes' they
don't like than are people who approve or are
neutral about the same
'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.


   Please add my vote to the neutral category. I
subscribe to about a dozen
mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets;
a couple don't.
Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific
files the only time
the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover
the same 

Re: [GNC] GnuCash 2.6.21 Released-Resend

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018, John Ralls wrote:


Resending because I forgot to update the links on the first one.


John,

  gnucash-2.6.21.tar.bz2 is not yet available on Sourceforge. Will try
tomorrow morning.

Thanks for all your work,

Rich
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[GNC] 2.6.21???

[randix]

So I saw an announcement that 2.6.21 was released, when to Sourceforge and
got the attached error message... is it in fact available for download (for
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Dave H]

The headers include :-

  to:Gnucash Users 
mailing list:gnucash-user@gnucash.org
mailed-by:gnucash.org

if those aren't sufficient to filter on what is :-)

Cheers Dave H.





On 11 April 2018 at 10:11, William Bixby  wrote:

> Adrien, my headers for your message show this email is from you, not the
> list:
> From:  Adrien Monteleone 
> Mime-Version:  1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\))
> Date:  Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:17:55 -0500
> To:  Gnucash Users 
> Subject:  Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
> List-Id:  General Accounting Discussions 
>
>
>
>
> On 04/10/2018 06:17 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>
>> The mail already *is* from the list.
>>
>> This can get flubbed when people start using reply-all and leaving the
>> original senders in the mix. As this continues in the thread, individual
>> e-mail addresses start bouncing around between To and CC and the list
>> address usually gets relegated to CC permanently. But it doesn’t matter
>> because one can always set their filters to include To, CC and From (if not
>> also, or instead, reply-to) and there should be no issue.
>>
>> There is a case for reply-all, but it involves cross-posted messages (to
>> other lists) or one-off participants who aren’t list members. This is
>> pretty rare here. (Occasionally you’ll see a message posted on both -dev
>> and -user but not often and so many are on both) I don’t think I’ve seen
>> any cross-postings to outside lists. On the off chance a non-member
>> participates (with moderator approval) it would likely be obvious and you
>> could include their personal address.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>>
>> On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Dale Alspach  wrote:
>>>
>>> Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix:
>>> Would having the email from be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org)
>>> instead of the user (original sender) serve as well?
>>>
>>> This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue.
>>> Reply,
>>> Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address.
>>> I believe the mailing list software would still put the original sender
>>> address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be possible.
>>>
>>> Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I believe that in
>>> the case of gnucash-user this is the de facto preference of the
>>> maintainers
>>> and developers.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Rich Shepard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote:

 Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my

> experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they
> don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same
> 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.
>
>
   Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a
 dozen
 mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't.
 Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only
 time
 the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic.

   GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag
 makes
 no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort
 incoming
 messages it could well be helpful.

   If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in
 my
 opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small
 device
 and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to
 scroll horizontally as well as vertically.

 Rich

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[GNC] GnuCash 2.6.21 Released-Resend

[John Ralls]

Resending because I forgot to update the links on the first one.

The GnuCash development team announces GnuCash 2.6.21, the twenty-second and 
final, final maintenance release in the 2.6-stable series. This snap release 
fixes a brace of significant bugs that would have prevented some users from 
having a 2.6.x fallback after using GnuCash 3.x. Note: This is the last version 
of GnuCash that will support MacOS X versions earlier than 10.9 or Microsoft 
Windows versions earlier than Windows 7.
Changes

Between 2.6.19 and 2.6.21, the following bugfixes were accomplished:

   Bug 795049 - GnuCash 2.6.21-1 (Fedora Linux package) is unable to open 
MariaDB database.
   Bug 795068 - src/optional/python-bindings missing several files.
   Bug 795078 - missing _inflateValidate symbol has recurred in 2.6.21 on MacOS.

Important update notification

If you are updating from gnucash 2.6.0-2.6.4 on linux, you are advised to 
remove the guile user cache or several parts of gnucash may fail to work 
properly. This user cache can be found in .cache/guile/ccache/2.0-LE-8-2.0/ in 
your home directory. It's safe to remove the whole contents of this directory.

Note .cache is a hidden folder in your home directory. You may have to change 
your file manager's settings in order to view hidden files and folders.
Documentation

Since this is a snap release there is no new documentation release.
Getting GnuCash for Windows and MacOS X

GnuCash is provided for both Microsoft Windows XP® and later and MacOS X 10.5 
(Leopard)® and later in pre-built, all-in-one packages. An installer is 
provided for Microsoft Windows® while the MacOS X® package is a disk image 
containing a drag-and-drop application bundle.

The SHA256 Hashes for the downloadable files are:

   2c3bed2a9366ac0def3e1abf39e148b2850f5ef34c99d0497acd2643db4ffa58  
gnucash-2.6.21.tar.bz2
   c6d78471253f06e701198ac27a613d08e2d74ead7f723ab98f5988b3ffc591df  
gnucash-2.6.21.tar.gz
   159bdd06b11535c569c6fccb0a44c5052e428ea64ea365118675431b2836ed06  
gnucash-2.6.21-setup.exe
   8fc8e5186f9939abe041b224ddaaac295ff7ae88b8210be456c0c6e2df19fc8a  
Gnucash-Intel-2.6.21-1.dmg
   137fd4692a116de88300fcb1e8694ff52d80f4e199103c461725ec1ebb349d56  
Gnucash-PPC-2.6.21-1.dmg


Getting GnuCash for Windows and MacOS

GnuCash is provided for both Microsoft Windows XP® and later and MacOS X 10.9 
(Mavericks)® and later in pre-built, all-in-one packages. An installer is 
provided for Microsoft Windows® while the MacOS X® package is a disk image 
containing a drag-and-drop application bundle.
SourceForge:

Download GnuCash for Win32: 
https://downloads.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnucash/gnucash-2.6.21.setup.exe
Download GnuCash for Mac-Intel: 
https://downloads.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnucash/Gnucash-Intel-2.6.21-1.dmg
Download GnuCash for Mac-PPC: 
https://downloads.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnucash/Gnucash-PPC-2.6.21-1.dmg

Github

Download GnuCash for Win32: 
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases/download/2.6.21/gnucash-2.6.21.setup.exe
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https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases/download/2.6.21/Gnucash-PPC-2.6.21-1.dmg

Getting GnuCash as source code

If you want to compile GnuCash 2.6.21 for yourself, the source code can be 
downloaded from:

Sourceforge: 
  http://downloads.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnucash/gnucash-2.6.21.tar.bz2
  http://downloads.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnucash/gnucash-2.6.21.tar.gz
Github:
  
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases/download/2.6.21/gnucash-2.6.21.tar.bz2
  
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases/download/2.6.21/gnucash-2.6.21.tar.gz
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Please consult the README.dependencies file in the sources for the required 
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information on building GnuCash may be found at 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building.

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The documentation is available at Documentation page of the GnuCash website. 
The 2.6.21 documentation can be found under "GnuCash v3 (current stable 
release)" in multiple languages both for reading online and for download in 
pdf, epub, and mobi formats.

If you want to compile the GnuCash Documentation 2.6.21 for yourself, the 
source code can be downloaded from:

 Sourceforge: 
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnucash/gnucash-docs-2.6.21.tar.gz
 GitHub: 
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases/download/2.6.21/gnucash-docs-2.6.21.tar.gz
 You can also checkout the sources directly from the git repository as 
described at https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Git.

Detailed instructions for building GnuCash may be found at 

Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[William Bixby]

Adrien, my headers for your message show this email is from you, not the 
list:

From:  Adrien Monteleone 
Mime-Version:  1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\))
Date:  Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:17:55 -0500
To:  Gnucash Users 
Subject:  Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
List-Id:  General Accounting Discussions 



On 04/10/2018 06:17 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

The mail already *is* from the list.

This can get flubbed when people start using reply-all and leaving the original 
senders in the mix. As this continues in the thread, individual e-mail 
addresses start bouncing around between To and CC and the list address usually 
gets relegated to CC permanently. But it doesn’t matter because one can always 
set their filters to include To, CC and From (if not also, or instead, 
reply-to) and there should be no issue.

There is a case for reply-all, but it involves cross-posted messages (to other 
lists) or one-off participants who aren’t list members. This is pretty rare 
here. (Occasionally you’ll see a message posted on both -dev and -user but not 
often and so many are on both) I don’t think I’ve seen any cross-postings to 
outside lists. On the off chance a non-member participates (with moderator 
approval) it would likely be obvious and you could include their personal 
address.

Regards,
Adrien


On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Dale Alspach  wrote:

Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix:
Would having the email from be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org)
instead of the user (original sender) serve as well?

This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue. Reply,
Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address.
I believe the mailing list software would still put the original sender
address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be possible.

Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I believe that in
the case of gnucash-user this is the de facto preference of the maintainers
and developers.

Dale


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:


On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote:

Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my

experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they
don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same
'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.



  Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a dozen
mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't.
Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only time
the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic.

  GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag
makes
no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort incoming
messages it could well be helpful.

  If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in my
opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small device
and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to
scroll horizontally as well as vertically.

Rich

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[GNC] GnuCash 2.6.21 Released

[John Ralls]

The GnuCash development team announces GnuCash 2.6.21, the twenty-second and 
final, final maintenance release in the 2.6-stable series. This snap release 
fixes a brace of significant bugs that would have prevented some users from 
having a 2.6.x fallback after using GnuCash 3.x. Note: This is the last version 
of GnuCash that will support MacOS X versions earlier than 10.9 or Microsoft 
Windows versions earlier than Windows 7.
Changes

Between 2.6.19 and 2.6.21, the following bugfixes were accomplished:

Bug 795049 - GnuCash 2.6.20-1 (Fedora Linux package) is unable to open 
MariaDB database.
Bug 795068 - src/optional/python-bindings missing several files.
Bug 795078 - missing _inflateValidate symbol has recurred in 2.6.20 on 
MacOS.

Important update notification

If you are updating from gnucash 2.6.0-2.6.4 on linux, you are advised to 
remove the guile user cache or several parts of gnucash may fail to work 
properly. This user cache can be found in .cache/guile/ccache/2.0-LE-8-2.0/ in 
your home directory. It's safe to remove the whole contents of this directory.

Note .cache is a hidden folder in your home directory. You may have to change 
your file manager's settings in order to view hidden files and folders.
Documentation

Since this is a snap release there is no new documentation release.
Getting GnuCash for Windows and MacOS X

GnuCash is provided for both Microsoft Windows XP® and later and MacOS X 10.5 
(Leopard)® and later in pre-built, all-in-one packages. An installer is 
provided for Microsoft Windows® while the MacOS X® package is a disk image 
containing a drag-and-drop application bundle.

The SHA256 Hashes for the downloadable files are:

2c3bed2a9366ac0def3e1abf39e148b2850f5ef34c99d0497acd2643db4ffa58  
gnucash-2.6.21.tar.bz2
c6d78471253f06e701198ac27a613d08e2d74ead7f723ab98f5988b3ffc591df  
gnucash-2.6.21.tar.gz
159bdd06b11535c569c6fccb0a44c5052e428ea64ea365118675431b2836ed06  
gnucash-2.6.21-setup.exe
8fc8e5186f9939abe041b224ddaaac295ff7ae88b8210be456c0c6e2df19fc8a  
Gnucash-Intel-2.6.21-1.dmg
137fd4692a116de88300fcb1e8694ff52d80f4e199103c461725ec1ebb349d56  
Gnucash-PPC-2.6.21-1.dmg


Getting GnuCash for Windows and MacOS

GnuCash is provided for both Microsoft Windows XP® and later and MacOS X 10.9 
(Mavericks)® and later in pre-built, all-in-one packages. An installer is 
provided for Microsoft Windows® while the MacOS X® package is a disk image 
containing a drag-and-drop application bundle.
SourceForge:

Download GnuCash for Win32: 
https://downloads.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnucash/gnucash-2.6.20.setup.exe
Download GnuCash for Mac-Intel: 
https://downloads.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnucash/Gnucash-Intel-2.6.20-1.dmg
Download GnuCash for Mac-PPC: 
https://downloads.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnucash/Gnucash-PPC-2.6.20-1.dmg

Github

Download GnuCash for Win32: 
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases/download/2.6.20/gnucash-2.6.20.setup.exe
Download GnuCash for Mac-Intel: 
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases/download/2.6.20/Gnucash-Intel-2.6.20-1.dmg
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https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases/download/2.6.20/Gnucash-PPC-2.6.20-1.dmg

Getting GnuCash as source code

If you want to compile GnuCash 2.6.20 for yourself, the source code can be 
downloaded from:

Sourceforge: 
   http://downloads.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnucash/gnucash-2.6.20.tar.bz2
   http://downloads.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnucash/gnucash-2.6.20.tar.gz
Github:
   
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   WARNING Do not try to use the github-generated files labelled "Source Code". 
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You can also checkout the sources: git clone https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash.


Please consult the README.dependencies file in the sources for the required 
dependencies and versions needed to build GnuCash from source. Additional 
information on building GnuCash may be found at 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building.

Getting the documentation

The documentation is available at Documentation page of the GnuCash website. 
The 2.6.20 documentation can be found under "GnuCash v3 (current stable 
release)" in multiple languages both for reading online and for download in 
pdf, epub, and mobi formats.

If you want to compile the GnuCash Documentation 2.6.20 for yourself, the 
source code can be downloaded from:

  Sourceforge: 
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnucash/gnucash-docs-2.6.20.tar.gz
  GitHub: 
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases/download/2.6.20/gnucash-docs-2.6.20.tar.gz
  You can also checkout the sources directly from the git repository as 
described at https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Git.

Detailed instructions for building GnuCash may be found at 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building and for the Documentation at 

Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Rich Shepard]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Adrien Monteleone wrote:


I can see how cross-posted messages would turn into tag soup if every list
followed this behavior.


Adrien,

  Without intending to take the thread onto a different track, how common
are corss-posted messages? Where are they cross-posted? I've not seen any,
on any mail list to which I'm subscribed.

Rich
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

The mail already *is* from the list.

This can get flubbed when people start using reply-all and leaving the original 
senders in the mix. As this continues in the thread, individual e-mail 
addresses start bouncing around between To and CC and the list address usually 
gets relegated to CC permanently. But it doesn’t matter because one can always 
set their filters to include To, CC and From (if not also, or instead, 
reply-to) and there should be no issue.

There is a case for reply-all, but it involves cross-posted messages (to other 
lists) or one-off participants who aren’t list members. This is pretty rare 
here. (Occasionally you’ll see a message posted on both -dev and -user but not 
often and so many are on both) I don’t think I’ve seen any cross-postings to 
outside lists. On the off chance a non-member participates (with moderator 
approval) it would likely be obvious and you could include their personal 
address.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Dale Alspach  wrote:
> 
> Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix:
> Would having the email from be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org)
> instead of the user (original sender) serve as well?
> 
> This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue. Reply,
> Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address.
> I believe the mailing list software would still put the original sender
> address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be possible.
> 
> Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I believe that in
> the case of gnucash-user this is the de facto preference of the maintainers
> and developers.
> 
> Dale
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote:
>> 
>> Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my
>>> experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they
>>> don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same
>>> 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.
>>> 
>> 
>>  Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a dozen
>> mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't.
>> Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only time
>> the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic.
>> 
>>  GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag
>> makes
>> no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort incoming
>> messages it could well be helpful.
>> 
>>  If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in my
>> opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small device
>> and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to
>> scroll horizontally as well as vertically.
>> 
>> Rich
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

I do the same.

I’ve noticed though that despite Mailman being set not to deliver duplicates if 
you are also in the To or CC fields, it does so anyway. I think it was Geert 
who did that as a test a few weeks back and I got two copies, one got filed 
(the list copy) and the other stayed in my inbox. (the one direct from him) I 
think the problem there is the list is going to send you at least one copy, but 
the individual sending the mail is including you in a To or CC field, which 
gets handled by their client and their mail provider - not the list. Thus there 
are still two independent routes.

So I usually remove the personal addresses and move the list address up.

While the tag it’s no skin off my nose, it is a tad annoying. It’s now visual 
clutter I have to filter out. (despite that I bother to filter the messages 
into their own folder) I can see how cross-posted messages would turn into tag 
soup if every list followed this behavior.

And the real stickler for me on the whole topic, is this was added because some 
people don’t want to be bothered to configure their own mail client properly or 
don’t know how. (not to mention, it was added very quickly, even after the 
initial requestor withdrew the request!)

I’ve yet to see the very few who like or asked for this change to give us an 
example of a mail client that can’t filter, tag or otherwise identify list mail.

That’s my 2¢, or $1 factoring for inflation.

Regards,
Adrien

p.s. - I wonder what will happen to some people’s threadings if I manually 
remove that [GNC] tag in the subject line after “Re:” ?? Certainly, a good mail 
client will thread off the message-id, but that’s not always the case. Will 
Mailman add it back?

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Rich Shepard  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Dale Alspach wrote:
> 
>> Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix: Would having the email from
>> be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org) instead of the user (original
>> sender) serve as well?
> 
> Dale,
> 
>  Doesn't matter to me, in most cases. When I reply to a message that has
> both the sender's address and the list alpine puts the sender's address on
> the To: line and the list address on the Cc: line. Before sending I delete
> the former and move the latter up.
> 
>  There are times when a response to the individual rather than the list is
> appropriate. This is when the response is off the thread and is either off
> the mail list topic or is of a personal nature. Having both addresses
> availalbe accommodates all situations.
> 
>> This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue.
>> Reply, Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address. I believe the
>> mailing list software would still put the original sender address in the
>> headers so that an off-list reply would be possible.
> 
>  When I respond to a message, such as this one, alpine asks me if I want to
> respond to all. My fingers default to 'yes.' Often, both the sender and the
> list are on the header and I adjust as desired, usually removing the
> sender's address as they get a copy from the list in any case.
> 
>  All mail lists prefer threads to remain on the list so that future readers
> can see the entire thread.
> 
>  I admit to not seeing where having [GNC] as a subject line prefix is
> harmful to any list subscriber; perhaps that's because it is not an issue
> for me either way.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rich
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Rich Shepard]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Dale Alspach wrote:


Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix: Would having the email from
be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org) instead of the user (original
sender) serve as well?


Dale,

  Doesn't matter to me, in most cases. When I reply to a message that has
both the sender's address and the list alpine puts the sender's address on
the To: line and the list address on the Cc: line. Before sending I delete
the former and move the latter up.

  There are times when a response to the individual rather than the list is
appropriate. This is when the response is off the thread and is either off
the mail list topic or is of a personal nature. Having both addresses
availalbe accommodates all situations.


This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue.
Reply, Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address. I believe the
mailing list software would still put the original sender address in the
headers so that an off-list reply would be possible.


  When I respond to a message, such as this one, alpine asks me if I want to
respond to all. My fingers default to 'yes.' Often, both the sender and the
list are on the header and I adjust as desired, usually removing the
sender's address as they get a copy from the list in any case.

  All mail lists prefer threads to remain on the list so that future readers
can see the entire thread.

  I admit to not seeing where having [GNC] as a subject line prefix is
harmful to any list subscriber; perhaps that's because it is not an issue
for me either way.

Regards,

Rich
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Dale Alspach]

Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix:
Would having the email from be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org)
instead of the user (original sender) serve as well?

This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue. Reply,
Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address.
I believe the mailing list software would still put the original sender
address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be possible.

Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I believe that in
the case of gnucash-user this is the de facto preference of the maintainers
and developers.

Dale


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote:
>
> Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my
>> experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they
>> don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same
>> 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.
>>
>
>   Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a dozen
> mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't.
> Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only time
> the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic.
>
>   GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag
> makes
> no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort incoming
> messages it could well be helpful.
>
>   If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in my
> opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small device
> and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to
> scroll horizontally as well as vertically.
>
> Rich
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[William Bixby]

I like the GNC prefix.

I have 20 mail lists that I subscribe to.
17 use the subject prefix which results in precise filtering to my 
folders at my ISP level (I don't need to filter locally, so I can access 
the emails in the proper folders no matter which platform and therefore 
email client I use, Linux, Windows, phone, tablet, etc.).


I try to filter the 3 lists without subject prefixes using the available 
sender, to, and CC options my ISP provides (list ID is not included, 
subject is available for the good lists that use a subject prefix).  But 
within each list the emails have the list name/address in various 
positions, it is not consistent.  Sometimes my ISP doesn't match the 
filters and then tags the email as junk.
But in the majority of my mail lists that DO use the subject prefix I 
have never had emails flagged as junk.  The filtering to folders is more 
precise.


I'm surprised at the objections, as my experience is that mail lists 
adding the list ID in the subject is the 'norm' and very common.  The 
few, like gnucash was, that don't are the outlier.


It may not be a 'standard' requirement for mail lists, but when almost 
all do it it becomes a 'defacto' standard and should be followed.




On 04/10/2018 04:48 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote:


Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my
experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they
don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same
'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.


   Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a dozen
mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't.
Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only time
the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic.

   GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag 
makes

no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort incoming
messages it could well be helpful.

   If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in my
opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small device
and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to
scroll horizontally as well as vertically.

Rich

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Re: [GNC] Automatic Invoice numbering

[subscriptions]

On 04/10/2018 05:21 PM, Nith Valley Organics wrote:

Note that this doesn’t guarantee that you won’t have duplicates.  If what it 
thinks is the last number used is less than one that you may have manually 
generated, you could get a duplicate.  One possible way of avoiding it is to 
have the autonumbering start at (say) 1000 (assuming you never used one that 
high) or to use a prefix as mentioned in a previous response.


On Apr 10, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Derek Atkins  wrote:

Leave it blank and it will choose the next number in sequence.

-derek
Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos.
On April 10, 2018 8:24:46 AM subscriptions  
wrote:


Does GNUC support automatically selecting a invoice number when creating
a new invoice for clients? Seems I always have to assign a invoice
number and I run the chance of accidentally creating a duplicate invoice
number. Perhaps its a setting I missed?

Thanks,

jdegraw

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Thank you.

I will check into that.

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Re: [GNC] Automatic Invoice numbering

[Nith Valley Organics]

Note that this doesn’t guarantee that you won’t have duplicates.  If what it 
thinks is the last number used is less than one that you may have manually 
generated, you could get a duplicate.  One possible way of avoiding it is to 
have the autonumbering start at (say) 1000 (assuming you never used one that 
high) or to use a prefix as mentioned in a previous response.  

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Derek Atkins  wrote:
> 
> Leave it blank and it will choose the next number in sequence.
> 
> -derek
> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos.
> On April 10, 2018 8:24:46 AM subscriptions  
> wrote:
> 
>> Does GNUC support automatically selecting a invoice number when creating
>> a new invoice for clients? Seems I always have to assign a invoice
>> number and I run the chance of accidentally creating a duplicate invoice
>> number. Perhaps its a setting I missed?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> jdegraw
>> 
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

Ralph,

What is your e-mail client? Can it not filter mail? Can it not tag mail? Can it 
not handle mailing-lists?

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 3:20 PM, listreader  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 22:00:33 +0500
> "David T. via gnucash-user"  wrote:
> 
>> I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far,
>> and it appears that 7 people are in favor of this change.
>> 
>> In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have
>> expressed negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest
>> of objectivity, I am one of this group.]
>> 
>> It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on
>> the opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies
>> prior to implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three
>> times the number of readers expressed their objectons to it.
> 
> Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means.  In my
> experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes'
> they don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the
> same 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.
> 
> I subscribe to around 20 very busy mailing lists, all intentionally
> sent to the same mailbox folder so as not to interfere with all my
> other more urgent business and personal mailbox folders, and all but
> GnuCash have always used a subject prefix. (including one which uses the
> useless/annoying '[Users]' as its prefix but that is another story).
> The prefix is EXTREMELY useful to me. So add me to the 'approve' side
> of your tally.
> 
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Rich Shepard]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote:


Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my
experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they
don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same
'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.


  Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a dozen
mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't.
Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only time
the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic.

  GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag makes
no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort incoming
messages it could well be helpful.

  If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in my
opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small device
and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to
scroll horizontally as well as vertically.

Rich

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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Fross, Michael]

That's interesting Ralph.  I have a similar need (4 or 5 busy lists) and I
send each one to it's own subfolder of the "MailingLists" folder.  I really
like not having them jumbled up together, but that's just me.

I vote against having them especially, as Geert pointed out, if you think
about cross posted messages.

Michael

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:23 PM, David Carlson 
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> I vote against
>
> David C
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 2:13 PM Gary Holtum 
> wrote:
>
> > 25 against!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: gnucash-user
> > [mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+diamondhranchqh=earthlink@gnucash.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Alex Aycinena
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:01 PM
> > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
> >
> > 24 against
> >
> >
> > >
> > > -- Forwarded message --
> > > From: Les 
> > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> > > Cc:
> > > Bcc:
> > > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:15:29 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix 23.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 04/10/2018 12:40 PM, Mike Evans wrote:
> > >
> > >> 22
> > >>
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[David Carlson]

I vote against

David C

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 2:13 PM Gary Holtum 
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> 25 against!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gnucash-user
> [mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+diamondhranchqh=earthlink@gnucash.org] On
> Behalf Of Alex Aycinena
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:01 PM
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> Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
>
> 24 against
>
>
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Les 
> > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> > Cc:
> > Bcc:
> > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:15:29 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix 23.
> >
> >
> > On 04/10/2018 12:40 PM, Mike Evans wrote:
> >
> >> 22
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

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On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 22:00:33 +0500
"David T. via gnucash-user"  wrote:

> I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far,
> and it appears that 7 people are in favor of this change.
> 
> In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have
> expressed negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest
> of objectivity, I am one of this group.]
> 
> It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on
> the opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies
> prior to implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three
> times the number of readers expressed their objectons to it.

Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means.  In my
experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes'
they don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the
same 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.

I subscribe to around 20 very busy mailing lists, all intentionally
sent to the same mailbox folder so as not to interfere with all my
other more urgent business and personal mailbox folders, and all but
GnuCash have always used a subject prefix. (including one which uses the
useless/annoying '[Users]' as its prefix but that is another story).
The prefix is EXTREMELY useful to me. So add me to the 'approve' side
of your tally.

Ralph
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Gary Holtum]

25 against!

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Alex Aycinena
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To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

24 against


>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Les 
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:15:29 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix 23.
>
>
> On 04/10/2018 12:40 PM, Mike Evans wrote:
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>> 22
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Alex Aycinena]

24 against


>
> -- Forwarded message --
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> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:15:29 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
> 23.
>
>
> On 04/10/2018 12:40 PM, Mike Evans wrote:
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>> 22
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

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22

On 10 Apr 2018 at 11:28, Ronal B Morse wrote:

> Make that 21.  But, it's not a big issue for me.
> 
> RBM
> 
> On 04/10/2018 11:00 AM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am responding to the original email because there have been
> quite a few responses to this thread.
> >
> > I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus
> far, and it appears that 7 people are in favor of this change.
> >
> > In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team)
> have expressed negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the
> interest of objectivity, I am one of this group.]
> >
> > It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based
> on the opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies
> prior to implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three
> times the number of readers expressed their objectons to it.
> >
> > David T.
> >
> >> On Apr 6, 2018, at 6:08 AM, Steve Parry 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi everyone (especially Admins).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just wondering if you can add an automatic Subject Prefix in
> MailMan to all emails from this list (eg [GNC]) so that list emails
> have a subject like "[GNC] This is a sample Subject". This will
> enable faster identification of the mailing list emails (of which
> there are many) when eye scanning and the option to have a mail
> client rule to filter them into a separate folder.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just a thought!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for all your great work
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> ...Steve
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[GNC] GnuCash 2.6.20 Report Problem

[Glenn Bordonada via gnucash-user]

Any help would be appreciated.

I just installed ver. 2.6.20 over ver. 2.6.19 (which was automatically 
uninstalled).
When I run the reports Expense Barchart and Income Barchart, the program comes 
out with an error screen(see attached snapshot). The other reports work just 
fine as before. 
In my previous installation ver. 2.6.19 and in ver. 3.0 which I tried, the 
reports work without problems.
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Les]

23.


On 04/10/2018 12:40 PM, Mike Evans wrote:

22

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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

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Re: [GNC] future of custom reports in 3.x

[Matthew Pounsett]

Thanks very much to William, David, and Sébastien for those links.  That's
all the documentation I could want.

Cheers!
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Ronal B Morse]

Make that 21.  But, it's not a big issue for me.

RBM

On 04/10/2018 11:00 AM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:

Hello,

I am responding to the original email because there have been quite a few 
responses to this thread.

I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far, and it 
appears that 7 people are in favor of this change.

In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have expressed 
negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest of objectivity, I 
am one of this group.]

It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on the 
opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies prior to 
implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three times the number of 
readers expressed their objectons to it.

David T.


On Apr 6, 2018, at 6:08 AM, Steve Parry  wrote:

Hi everyone (especially Admins).



Just wondering if you can add an automatic Subject Prefix in MailMan to all emails from 
this list (eg [GNC]) so that list emails have a subject like "[GNC] This is a sample 
Subject". This will enable faster identification of the mailing list emails (of 
which there are many) when eye scanning and the option to have a mail client rule to 
filter them into a separate folder.



Just a thought!



Thanks for all your great work

Cheers

...Steve

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Re: [GNC] encoding bug in 3.0

[René Romijn]

Done!


Op 10 april 2018 19:05:48 +02:00, schreef Geert Janssens 
:

> Thanks,
> 
> That shows two locations that handle this improperly.
> 
> Can I ask you to file this as a bug report [1] so it won't get lost and can be
> fixed. Please also add the trace file snippet in the report.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Geert
> 
> [1] Refer to  to learn how to use
> bugzilla
> 
> Op dinsdag 10 april 2018 18:28:05 CEST schreef René Romijn:
> 
> > Hi Geert,
> > 
> > This is what the trace is saying after the first start of 3.0:
> > 
> > * 17:23:16 WARN  Could not spawn perl: Uitvoeren van
> > dochterproces is mislukt (No such file or directory) * 17:23:16 WARN
> >  [GncDbiBackend::session_begin()] Sqlite3 file
> > C:\Users\René Romijn\Documents\InstInkt\Boekhouding\InstInkt.gnucash not
> > found * 17:24:15 CRIT  Cannot open file
> > C:\Users\RENROM~1\AppData\Local\Temp\René Romijn\GnuCash\expressions-2.0:
> > No such file or directory
> > 
> > Its getting confused with the é sign and because it cannot decode it, its
> > translatet to é Result is that my old .gnucash is not converted and my
> > custom reports cannot be saved.
> > 
> 
> > Op 10 april 2018 17:34:09 +02:00, schreef Geert Janssens
> > 
> <>:
> 
> > > Please make sure to keep the conversations on the mailing list unless
> > > explicitly asked to send private mails. Additionally, that one person you
> > > reply to may not have all the answers. You have more chances for a
> > > complete
> > > answer by keeping the conversation on the list.
> > > 
> > > You can do so by using the "Reply to all" or "Reply to list" features of
> > > your mail program.
> > > 
> > > Op dinsdag 10 april 2018 14:20:13 CEST schreef René Romijn:
> > > 
> > > > Hi Geert,
> > > > 
> > > > I allready reverted back to 2.6.20, but i can try again.
> > > > 
> > > > The problem is that my username contains é and gnucash 3.0 seems that it
> > > > cannot handle that.
> > > > 
> > > > Where exactly are the trace files located?
> > > > 
> > > Oops, I forgot to add the link explaining that:
> > > <>
> > > 
> > > Geert
> > > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] future of custom reports in 3.x

[Sébastien de Menten]

You can also look at
http://piecash.readthedocs.io/en/latest/object_model.html
Piecash is in fact a python ORM (sqlalchemy) on top of the gnucash dql
tables.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 18:14 Matthew Pounsett  wrote:

> On 10 April 2018 at 11:45, Amish  wrote:
>
> > May be fastest and easiest way would be to first save sample data (say
> > only 1 transaction) to say PostgreSQL database and then use pg_dump to
> dump
> > it to text file.
> >
> > That's an approach, for sure.  However...  there are 24 tables just in my
> personal accounts sqllite db, but 21 gnc-*-sql.cpp files in the SQL
> back-end code, and not all of those are created.  That's an odd mismatch
> that needs to be accounted for.  Also, in the database there are no foreign
> keys defined, which means it's going to be difficult to confirm all of the
> expected relations.  That combination of facts makes for a really difficult
> job reverse-engineering the schema by trial and error.   A pointer to the
> documentation that the developers are using when they do their work would
> make the whole thing a lot easier.
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Re: [GNC] encoding bug in 3.0

[Geert Janssens]

Thanks,

That shows two locations that handle this improperly.

Can I ask you to file this as a bug report [1] so it won't get lost and can be 
fixed. Please also add the trace file snippet in the report.

Thanks!

Geert

[1] Refer to http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Bugzilla to learn how to use 
bugzilla

Op dinsdag 10 april 2018 18:28:05 CEST schreef René Romijn:
> Hi Geert,
> 
> This is what the trace is saying after the first start of 3.0:
> 
> * 17:23:16 WARN  Could not spawn perl: Uitvoeren van
> dochterproces is mislukt (No such file or directory) * 17:23:16 WARN
>  [GncDbiBackend::session_begin()] Sqlite3 file
> C:\Users\René Romijn\Documents\InstInkt\Boekhouding\InstInkt.gnucash not
> found * 17:24:15 CRIT  Cannot open file
> C:\Users\RENROM~1\AppData\Local\Temp\René Romijn\GnuCash\expressions-2.0:
> No such file or directory
> 
> Its getting confused with the é sign and because it cannot decode it, its
> translatet to é Result is that my old .gnucash is not converted and my
> custom reports cannot be saved.


> Op 10 april 2018 17:34:09 +02:00, schreef Geert Janssens 
:
> > Please make sure to keep the conversations on the mailing list unless
> > explicitly asked to send private mails. Additionally, that one person you
> > reply to may not have all the answers. You have more chances for a
> > complete
> > answer by keeping the conversation on the list.
> > 
> > You can do so by using the "Reply to all" or "Reply to list" features of
> > your mail program.
> > 
> > Op dinsdag 10 april 2018 14:20:13 CEST schreef René Romijn:
> > > Hi Geert,
> > > 
> > > I allready reverted back to 2.6.20, but i can try again.
> > > 
> > > The problem is that my username contains é and gnucash 3.0 seems that it
> > > cannot handle that.
> > > 
> > > Where exactly are the trace files located?
> > 
> > Oops, I forgot to add the link explaining that:
> > 
> > 
> > Geert




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Re: [GNC] future of custom reports in 3.x

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Or consult https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/SQL 
 and 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/images/8/86/Gnucash_erd.png 


David T.


> On Apr 10, 2018, at 8:45 PM, Amish  wrote:
> 
> May be fastest and easiest way would be to first save sample data (say only 1 
> transaction) to say PostgreSQL database and then use pg_dump to dump it to 
> text file.
> 
> Amish.
> 
> 
> On Tuesday 10 April 2018 08:57 PM, Matthew Pounsett wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 April 2018 at 13:13, John Ralls > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>In the meantime there are four alternatives for custom reports:
>>2. Learn SQL and use a SQL backend to extract the data you want.
>>The results are generally amenable to import into a spreadsheet
>>for further processing; you could also install the appropriate
>>ODBC module for your SQL engine of choice and connect to it with
>>Libre/OpenOffice, Microsoft Access, or some similar tool with a
>>custom report writer or your favorite programming language’s SQL
>>interface (e.g. DBAPI for Python).
>> 
>> 
>> Is there some clear documentation of the SQL schema somewhere?  I had a look 
>> through the gnc-*-sql.cpp files, but it's not the most transparent 
>> description of a database that I've ever read. :)   I was considering 
>> putting together a set of Python/SQLAlchemy classes that implement the 
>> object-data mapping, and would be happy to contribute it back to the 
>> project, if people thought that'd be useful.
>> 
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Re: [GNC] Quick v3 Backup Query

[Fross, Michael]

Thank you Geert.  I'll update my script to save the theme directories and
add GNC_DATA_HOME in my environment instead of GNC_DOT_DIR when I get to v3.

Kind regards,

Michael

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:40 AM, Geert Janssens  wrote:

> Op dinsdag 10 april 2018 17:47:24 CEST schreef Fross, Michael:
> > Thanks Geert.  I thought you had posted some time ago about the change in
> > v3 but I may have misread.
> >
> > I don't use .gnucash in my home dir (windows) as I like to keep all of my
> > GNC stuff together on an encrypted drive.  I then use GNC_DOT_DIR to
> point
> > to that. (I also use AQBanking_Home to point to the encrypted drive.)
> >
> > I thought I read (probably mistaken) that in v3, GNC_DOT_DIR was
> deprecated
> > and that GNC_DOC_DIR replaced it.
> I see the release announcement mentions GNC_DOC_PATH rather than
> GNC_DOC_DIR.
> This variable is indeed still used but it's not a replacement for
> GNC_DOT_DIR.
> I will update the release announcement. The proper replacement is
> GNC_DATA_HOME.
>
> > Does v3 still use GNC_DOT_DIR?
> >
> I don't think so.
>
> Note that gnucash will not migrate any of your metadata (saved reports,
> open
> tabs in your files, stylesheets) if you were using GNC_DOT_DIR with gnucash
> 2.x. I think this is how it should be, but in order to continue to use it
> in
> 3.0 you'll have to set GNC_DATA_HOME instead to point at the same
> directory.
>
> Also note that as of gnucash 3.0 you can create a file named
> 'environment.local' next to the environment file in which you can set
> variables like GNC_DATA_HOME or AQBANKING_HOME. This file will never be
> overwritten by gnucash (or the gnucash installer).
>
> Regards,
>
> Geert
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Hello,

I am responding to the original email because there have been quite a few 
responses to this thread.

I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far, and it 
appears that 7 people are in favor of this change.

In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have expressed 
negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest of objectivity, I 
am one of this group.]

It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on the 
opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies prior to 
implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three times the number of 
readers expressed their objectons to it.

David T.

> On Apr 6, 2018, at 6:08 AM, Steve Parry  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone (especially Admins).
> 
> 
> 
> Just wondering if you can add an automatic Subject Prefix in MailMan to all 
> emails from this list (eg [GNC]) so that list emails have a subject like 
> "[GNC] This is a sample Subject". This will enable faster identification of 
> the mailing list emails (of which there are many) when eye scanning and the 
> option to have a mail client rule to filter them into a separate folder.
> 
> 
> 
> Just a thought!
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for all your great work
> 
> Cheers
> 
> ...Steve
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Re: [GNC] Quick v3 Backup Query

[Geert Janssens]

Op dinsdag 10 april 2018 17:47:24 CEST schreef Fross, Michael:
> Thanks Geert.  I thought you had posted some time ago about the change in
> v3 but I may have misread.
> 
> I don't use .gnucash in my home dir (windows) as I like to keep all of my
> GNC stuff together on an encrypted drive.  I then use GNC_DOT_DIR to point
> to that. (I also use AQBanking_Home to point to the encrypted drive.)
> 
> I thought I read (probably mistaken) that in v3, GNC_DOT_DIR was deprecated
> and that GNC_DOC_DIR replaced it.
I see the release announcement mentions GNC_DOC_PATH rather than GNC_DOC_DIR. 
This variable is indeed still used but it's not a replacement for GNC_DOT_DIR. 
I will update the release announcement. The proper replacement is 
GNC_DATA_HOME.

> Does v3 still use GNC_DOT_DIR?
> 
I don't think so.

Note that gnucash will not migrate any of your metadata (saved reports, open 
tabs in your files, stylesheets) if you were using GNC_DOT_DIR with gnucash 
2.x. I think this is how it should be, but in order to continue to use it in 
3.0 you'll have to set GNC_DATA_HOME instead to point at the same directory.

Also note that as of gnucash 3.0 you can create a file named 
'environment.local' next to the environment file in which you can set 
variables like GNC_DATA_HOME or AQBANKING_HOME. This file will never be 
overwritten by gnucash (or the gnucash installer).

Regards,

Geert


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Re: [GNC] encoding bug in 3.0

[René Romijn]

Hi Geert,

This is what the trace is saying after the first start of 3.0:

* 17:23:16 WARN  Could not spawn perl: Uitvoeren van 
dochterproces is mislukt (No such file or directory)
* 17:23:16 WARN  [GncDbiBackend::session_begin()] 
Sqlite3 file C:\Users\René 
Romijn\Documents\InstInkt\Boekhouding\InstInkt.gnucash not found
* 17:24:15 CRIT  Cannot open file 
C:\Users\RENROM~1\AppData\Local\Temp\René Romijn\GnuCash\expressions-2.0: No 
such file or directory

Its getting confused with the é sign and because it cannot decode it, its 
translatet to é Result is that my old .gnucash is not converted and my custom 
reports cannot be saved.



Op 10 april 2018 17:34:09 +02:00, schreef Geert Janssens 
:

> Please make sure to keep the conversations on the mailing list unless
> explicitly asked to send private mails. Additionally, that one person you
> reply to may not have all the answers. You have more chances for a complete
> answer by keeping the conversation on the list.
> 
> You can do so by using the "Reply to all" or "Reply to list" features of your
> mail program.
> 
> Op dinsdag 10 april 2018 14:20:13 CEST schreef René Romijn:
> 
> > Hi Geert,
> > 
> > I allready reverted back to 2.6.20, but i can try again.
> > 
> > The problem is that my username contains é and gnucash 3.0 seems that it
> > cannot handle that.
> > 
> > Where exactly are the trace files located?
> > 
> Oops, I forgot to add the link explaining that:
> 
> 
> Geert
> 
> 

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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

Alain,

You said you use Mutt. You are one of the few (2 so far?) requesting and 
defending this change.

Did you read the Mutt manual? Specifically: 
http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/#using-lists (and also: 
http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/#lists)

"Mutt has a few configuration options that make dealing with large amounts of 
mail easier. The first thing you must do is to let Mutt know what addresses you 
consider to be mailing lists (technically this does not have to be a mailing 
list, but that is what it is most often used for), and what lists you are 
subscribed to. This is accomplished through the use of the lists and subscribe 
commands in your .muttrc.

Now that Mutt knows what your mailing lists are, it can do several things, the 
first of which is the ability to show the name of a list through which you 
received a message (i.e., of a subscribed list) in the index menu display. This 
is useful to distinguish between personal and list mail in the same mailbox. In 
the $index_format variable, the expando “%L” will print the string “To ” 
when “list” appears in the “To” field, and “Cc ” when it appears in the 
“Cc” field (otherwise it prints the name of the author).”

You can do this all on your own, without the rest of us having to see [GNC] or 
anything else pre-pended or appended to the subject line. Just configure your 
client properly.


Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Alain Williams  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 01:48:13PM +, Buddha Buck wrote:
> 
>> I concur. Gmail does server-side filtering and labelling, not client-side.
> 
> Please be aware that not everyone uses gmail.
> 
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Re: [GNC] future of custom reports in 3.x

[William Jackson]

> Is there some clear documentation of the SQL schema somewhere?

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/SQL

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/images/8/86/Gnucash_erd.png
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Re: [GNC] GNUCash 3.0: Report Printing problems

[Adrien Monteleone]

Geert,

Just so we’re clear, at least for me, and it seems what’s being reported in 
this thread, there is NO direct printing functionality. We only have PDF export.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 8:53 AM, Geert Janssens  
> wrote:
> 
> Op woensdag 4 april 2018 22:19:33 CEST schreef Adrien Monteleone:
>> I see I have both as well. Perhaps removing it didn’t make it into the final
>> commit.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>> 
> As I commented on one of the bugs that got marked as a duplicate we need to 
> distinguish between linux systems on the one hand and OSX and Windows on the 
> other.
> 
> For linux we moved to webkit2, which no longer exposes an easy function to 
> print to pdf. Our intention was to move to webkit2 on Windowss and OS X as 
> well, but due to technical issues this hasn't happened for the 3.0 release 
> (and I don't know if we ever will be able to - webkit2 won't build on those 
> systems).
> 
> As we were migrating to webkit2, we found the missing pdf feature and amended 
> the code to simply display the print dialog in both cases. Only then we came 
> to the conclusion webkit2 wasn't going to happen on Windows and OS X and had 
> to revert parts of the code. I suspect we mixed up there which leads to the 
> current situation on Windows and OS X.
> 
> Geert
> 
> 


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Re: [GNC] future of custom reports in 3.x

[Matthew Pounsett]

On 10 April 2018 at 11:45, Amish  wrote:

> May be fastest and easiest way would be to first save sample data (say
> only 1 transaction) to say PostgreSQL database and then use pg_dump to dump
> it to text file.
>
> That's an approach, for sure.  However...  there are 24 tables just in my
personal accounts sqllite db, but 21 gnc-*-sql.cpp files in the SQL
back-end code, and not all of those are created.  That's an odd mismatch
that needs to be accounted for.  Also, in the database there are no foreign
keys defined, which means it's going to be difficult to confirm all of the
expected relations.  That combination of facts makes for a really difficult
job reverse-engineering the schema by trial and error.   A pointer to the
documentation that the developers are using when they do their work would
make the whole thing a lot easier.
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

I didn’t even have to tell Gmail anything. (at least for the webmail client) It 
automatically put all list mail in the ‘Forum’ tab for me.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 7:27 AM, Colin Law  wrote:
> 
> On 10 April 2018 at 12:51, Adonay Felipe Nogueira  
> wrote:
>> 2018-04-10T09:51:58+0200 Saša Janiška wrote:
>>> E.g. gnucash-users list uses Mailman which does provide e.g. List-Id
>>> header for simple filtering...
>> 
>> Probably some weak webmail client full of non-free software through
>> client-side JavaScript, such as Gmail and Outlook's webmail. They do
>> have filters, but not generally good, and are somewhat enticing in a way
>> that the end-user never questions the features or misbehaviors provided,
>> such that they just use it as it is.
> 
> I have no problems filtering mailing lists with gmail. I just opened
> one of the posts, told gmail to 'filter messages like this' told it
> which folder to put them in and it works, as far as I can see,
> flawlessly.  Gnucash mails are automatically moved to the folder on
> receipt.
> 
> I also think this idea is just adding clutter.
> 
> Colin
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

Good point.

Since filtering is a personal preference, I don’t think its method should be 
decided by the list.

Regards,
Adrien


> On Apr 10, 2018, at 7:14 AM, Saša Janiška  wrote:
> 
> Alain Williams  writes:
> 
>> All very nice if you want to do that; some do, some don't.
> 
> Personally I do not mind too much since I use Gmane, but isn't it
> strange that *all* users are paying the 'price' for users that "don't
> want to do that" (aka mail filtering) ? ;)
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> Gour
> 
> -- 
> As the ignorant perform their duties with attachment to results,
> the learned may similarly act, but without attachment, for the
> sake of leading people on the right path.
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Re: [GNC] Quick v3 Backup Query

[Fross, Michael]

Thanks Geert.  I thought you had posted some time ago about the change in
v3 but I may have misread.

I don't use .gnucash in my home dir (windows) as I like to keep all of my
GNC stuff together on an encrypted drive.  I then use GNC_DOT_DIR to point
to that. (I also use AQBanking_Home to point to the encrypted drive.)

I thought I read (probably mistaken) that in v3, GNC_DOT_DIR was deprecated
and that GNC_DOC_DIR replaced it.  Does v3 still use GNC_DOT_DIR?

And great thought about the themes.  I'll that.

Michael

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 10:02 AM, Geert Janssens  wrote:

> Op dinsdag 10 april 2018 14:43:54 CEST schreef Fross, Michael:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I'm on Windows and for v2, I built a backup script that runs and backs up
> > the following:
> >
> >- Datafile
> >- my .gnucash directory (as defined in variable GNC_DOT_DIR)
> >- gsettings from HKCU\Software\GSettings\org\gnucash
> >- aqbanking directory
> >
> >
> > As I prepare to move to v3, I wanted to ensure that I have everything in
> my
> > backup.
> >
> > I know that the GNC Config directory is now pointed to by GNC_DOC_DIR and
> > it sounds like the default location as switched to CSIDL_APPDATA\gnucash,
> > but is my list still complete?  Anything else change?
> >
> I'm not sure where this GNC_DOC_DIR originated but as far as I know gnucash
> will look for GNC_DATA_HOME rather than GNC_DOC_DIR.
>
> Other than that your list is still mostly complete on Windows.
> On linux systems the contents of the former .gnucash directory has been
> split
> over two directories to align with the Freedesktop XDG speficiation:
> $HOME/.local/share/gnucash
> $HOME/.config/gnucash
>
> If you installed a custom gtk3 theme following [1], you may also want to
> backup
> %LOCALAPPDATA%\themes\
> %LOCALAPPDATA%\gtk-3.0\
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Geert
>
> [1] https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GTK3#Visual_Styling
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC] future of custom reports in 3.x

[Amish]

May be fastest and easiest way would be to first save sample data (say 
only 1 transaction) to say PostgreSQL database and then use pg_dump to 
dump it to text file.


Amish.


On Tuesday 10 April 2018 08:57 PM, Matthew Pounsett wrote:



On 8 April 2018 at 13:13, John Ralls > wrote:



In the meantime there are four alternatives for custom reports:
2. Learn SQL and use a SQL backend to extract the data you want.
The results are generally amenable to import into a spreadsheet
for further processing; you could also install the appropriate
ODBC module for your SQL engine of choice and connect to it with
Libre/OpenOffice, Microsoft Access, or some similar tool with a
custom report writer or your favorite programming language’s SQL
interface (e.g. DBAPI for Python).


Is there some clear documentation of the SQL schema somewhere?  I had 
a look through the gnc-*-sql.cpp files, but it's not the most 
transparent description of a database that I've ever read. :)   I was 
considering putting together a set of Python/SQLAlchemy classes that 
implement the object-data mapping, and would be happy to contribute it 
back to the project, if people thought that'd be useful.




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Re: [GNC] encoding bug in 3.0

[Geert Janssens]

Please make sure to keep the conversations on the mailing list unless 
explicitly asked to send private mails. Additionally, that one person you 
reply to may not have all the answers. You have more chances for a complete 
answer by keeping the conversation on the list.

You can do so by using the "Reply to all" or "Reply to list" features of your 
mail program.

Op dinsdag 10 april 2018 14:20:13 CEST schreef René Romijn:
> Hi Geert,
> 
> I allready reverted back to 2.6.20, but i can try again.
> 
> The problem is that my username contains é and gnucash 3.0 seems that it
> cannot handle that.
> 
> Where exactly are the trace files located?

Oops, I forgot to add the link explaining that:
http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile

Geert


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Re: [GNC] future of custom reports in 3.x

[Matthew Pounsett]

On 8 April 2018 at 13:13, John Ralls  wrote:

>
> In the meantime there are four alternatives for custom reports:
> 2. Learn SQL and use a SQL backend to extract the data you want. The
> results are generally amenable to import into a spreadsheet for further
> processing; you could also install the appropriate ODBC module for your SQL
> engine of choice and connect to it with Libre/OpenOffice, Microsoft Access,
> or some similar tool with a custom report writer or your favorite
> programming language’s SQL interface (e.g. DBAPI for Python).


Is there some clear documentation of the SQL schema somewhere?  I had a
look through the gnc-*-sql.cpp files, but it's not the most transparent
description of a database that I've ever read. :)   I was considering
putting together a set of Python/SQLAlchemy classes that implement the
object-data mapping, and would be happy to contribute it back to the
project, if people thought that'd be useful.
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Geert Janssens]

I dislike it as well and would prefer not to have it.

For your information it gets even worse for cross-posted messages. Such 
messages get all of the individual prefixes of each list added. I can't think 
what will happen when one replies to such a message...

Geert

Op dinsdag 10 april 2018 16:46:26 CEST schreef Buddha Buck:
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 10:34 AM Alain Williams  wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 01:48:13PM +, Buddha Buck wrote:
> > > I concur. Gmail does server-side filtering and labelling, not
> > 
> > client-side.
> > 
> > Please be aware that not everyone uses gmail.
> 
> The topic of conversation was about which email clients didn't allow
> filtering, and the example of gmail was brought up as a webclient-based
> email client which doesn't allow filtering. I was concurring with Colin's
> observation that gmail does provide filtering tools.
> 
> I presume I just haven't gotten my copy of your admonition to Colin that
> not everyone uses gmail? Or is there some particular reason why you have
> picked me out in particular in this long thread?
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Re: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 181, Issue 50

[Colin Whyles via gnucash-user]

I am no lawyer, but have been studying the impact of GDPR on a couple of other 
organisations I work with on a voluntary basis. I am treasurer of one, and use 
GnuCash for its accounts.

GDPR states that you must have a legal basis for holding data. It does not say 
that you need consent forms, that is simply one way of establishing a ‘legal 
basis’. If you need the data in order to fulfil your ‘contract’ with your 
customer, then you have a legal basis.

If you need their address in order to supply an invoice or guarantee, then I 
would say you have a legal basis.

If you are collecting it just for the hell of it and with a view to spamming, 
sorry, marketing to them later, then you do not have a legal basis unless they 
give permission. You will also have to provide a way for them to withdraw that 
permission and view the data. 

In other words, depending on your type of business, if you have no need to 
contact the customer once the transaction is complete, it is not wise to be 
collecting (spurious) data from them.

Of course, once the law comes into effect and it has been tested in the courts, 
we will find out what it really means. In the meantime, tread with care.

— 
Colin

> --
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 12:51:08 +0100
> From: Mike Evans 
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: [GNC] GDPR and data held in GnuCash
> Message-ID: <20180410125108.1dc4d63a@saxicola>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> Is everyone aware of the impact of GDPR on their customers/vendors data 
> stored within GnuCash?  I admit I've only just become aware of it and am 
> still puzzled as what I should do to be compliant.
> 
> It seems I may have to either delete all my customer data or "repermission" 
> my existing customers and vendors in order to hold any data about them. I'm 
> not sure how GnuCash will behave if I delete customer data, given that I 
> can't do that via GnuCash and will have to "manually" edit my database (or 
> XML file in my case). I should probably file an enhancement request to add a 
> delete customer facility to GnuCash.
> 
> It may be only applicable if you hold data for the purposes of mailing list 
> marketing.
> 
> There may be issues if you backup or store your GnuCash data "in the cloud" 
> as this probably means moving data to servers based outside of the EU. In 
> which case it will have to be encrypted before transmission. I guess that 
> applies for server storage inside the EU too. Business users storing 
> unencrypted data in the "cloud" would fall foul of the regulations.
> 
> There's a Wikipedia article at 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation 
> 
> and there's https://www.eugdpr.org/
> 
> 
> Just a few discussion points.
> Mike Evans
> 
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash 3.0 Build error

[Geert Janssens]

Op dinsdag 10 april 2018 16:45:39 CEST schreef John Ralls:
> > On Apr 10, 2018, at 7:03 AM, Geert Janssens 
> > wrote:> 
> > Op donderdag 5 april 2018 23:04:39 CEST schreef John Ralls:
> >>> On Apr 4, 2018, at 10:34 PM, DaveC49  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> After following the build instructions
> >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building#Ubuntu
> >>> 
> >>> I have checked glib-2.0 and libglib2.0 are installed
> >>> 
> >>> I received the following errors when building using cmake (v 3.5.1) on
> >>> Linux MInt 18.3 :
> >>> 
> >>> /$ cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/local/bin/gnucash-cmake -D
> >>> WITH_AQBANKING=OFF -D WITH_OFX=ON ../gnucash
> >>> 
> >>> CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:5 (file):
> >>> file problem creating directory: /glib-2.0/schemas
> >>> 
> >>> -- Performing Test have_mod_mask
> >>> -- Performing Test have_mod_mask - Failed
> >>> 
> >>> CMake Error at gnome/CMakeLists.txt:59 (gnc_add_swig_guile_command):
> >>> Unknown CMake command "gnc_add_swig_guile_command".
> >>> 
> >>> CMake Warning (dev) in CMakeLists.txt:
> >>> No cmake_minimum_required command is present.  A line of code such as
> >>> 
> >>>   cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 3.5)
> >>> 
> >>> should be added at the top of the file.  The version specified may be
> >>> 
> >>> lower
> >>> 
> >>> if you wish to support older CMake versions for this project.  For more
> >>> information run "cmake --help-policy CMP".
> >>> 
> >>> This warning is for project developers.  Use -Wno-dev to suppress it.
> >>> 
> >>> -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
> >>> See also
> >>> "/home/david/Applications/gnucash-3.0/build-cmake/CMakeFiles/CMakeOutput
> >>> .l
> >>> og". See also
> >>> "/home/david/Applications/gnucash-3.0/build-cmake/CMakeFiles/CMakeError.
> >>> lo
> >>> g"./
> >>> 
> >>> Any ideas?
> >> 
> >> Rob Gowin saw your mistake and pointed it out in gnucash-devel, a better
> >> place to discuss build problems:
> >> 
> >> The error is "cmake  ../gnucash". You want just "cmake 
> >> .." to get the root CMakeLists.txt instead of the CMakeLists.txt in the
> >> "gnucash" subdirectory.
> >> 
> >> He recommends creating your build directory completely outside of the
> >> source tree as a way to avoid making this mistake.
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> John Ralls
> > 
> > I'm beginning to think it was a bad idea to name the directory for the gui
> > part "gnucash" as well. It seems to lead to all kinds of confusion in
> > build
> > descriptions.
> 
> Yeah, though it’s pretty standard practice.
> 
> Part of the problem was that the README was a bit confusing. I expanded it
> with more details about what’s going on with the command and the
> variations, and finished up with recommending that one not pass a relative
> path to cmake.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls

That's better indeed. I came to this thread after reading the gnucash Building 
wiki page. It will need the same treatment. For example the ubuntu specific 
instructions are unclear on where to create the build directory and if you 
follow the instructions literally it will be inside the source tree. Yet the 
cmake command example assumes it to be next to the source tree.

Geert


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Re: [GNC] Quick v3 Backup Query

[Geert Janssens]

Op dinsdag 10 april 2018 14:43:54 CEST schreef Fross, Michael:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I'm on Windows and for v2, I built a backup script that runs and backs up
> the following:
> 
>- Datafile
>- my .gnucash directory (as defined in variable GNC_DOT_DIR)
>- gsettings from HKCU\Software\GSettings\org\gnucash
>- aqbanking directory
> 
> 
> As I prepare to move to v3, I wanted to ensure that I have everything in my
> backup.
> 
> I know that the GNC Config directory is now pointed to by GNC_DOC_DIR and
> it sounds like the default location as switched to CSIDL_APPDATA\gnucash,
> but is my list still complete?  Anything else change?
> 
I'm not sure where this GNC_DOC_DIR originated but as far as I know gnucash 
will look for GNC_DATA_HOME rather than GNC_DOC_DIR.

Other than that your list is still mostly complete on Windows.
On linux systems the contents of the former .gnucash directory has been split 
over two directories to align with the Freedesktop XDG speficiation:
$HOME/.local/share/gnucash
$HOME/.config/gnucash

If you installed a custom gtk3 theme following [1], you may also want to 
backup 
%LOCALAPPDATA%\themes\
%LOCALAPPDATA%\gtk-3.0\


Regards,

Geert

[1] https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GTK3#Visual_Styling


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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Buddha Buck]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 10:34 AM Alain Williams  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 01:48:13PM +, Buddha Buck wrote:
>
> > I concur. Gmail does server-side filtering and labelling, not
> client-side.
>
> Please be aware that not everyone uses gmail.
>

The topic of conversation was about which email clients didn't allow
filtering, and the example of gmail was brought up as a webclient-based
email client which doesn't allow filtering. I was concurring with Colin's
observation that gmail does provide filtering tools.

I presume I just haven't gotten my copy of your admonition to Colin that
not everyone uses gmail? Or is there some particular reason why you have
picked me out in particular in this long thread?
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash 3.0 Build error

[John Ralls]

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 7:03 AM, Geert Janssens  
> wrote:
> 
> Op donderdag 5 april 2018 23:04:39 CEST schreef John Ralls:
>>> On Apr 4, 2018, at 10:34 PM, DaveC49  wrote:
>>> 
>>> After following the build instructions
>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building#Ubuntu
>>> 
>>> I have checked glib-2.0 and libglib2.0 are installed
>>> 
>>> I received the following errors when building using cmake (v 3.5.1) on
>>> Linux MInt 18.3 :
>>> 
>>> /$ cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/local/bin/gnucash-cmake -D
>>> WITH_AQBANKING=OFF -D WITH_OFX=ON ../gnucash
>>> 
>>> CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:5 (file):
>>> file problem creating directory: /glib-2.0/schemas
>>> 
>>> -- Performing Test have_mod_mask
>>> -- Performing Test have_mod_mask - Failed
>>> 
>>> CMake Error at gnome/CMakeLists.txt:59 (gnc_add_swig_guile_command):
>>> Unknown CMake command "gnc_add_swig_guile_command".
>>> 
>>> CMake Warning (dev) in CMakeLists.txt:
>>> No cmake_minimum_required command is present.  A line of code such as
>>> 
>>>   cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 3.5)
>>> 
>>> should be added at the top of the file.  The version specified may be
>>> 
>>> lower
>>> 
>>> if you wish to support older CMake versions for this project.  For more
>>> information run "cmake --help-policy CMP".
>>> 
>>> This warning is for project developers.  Use -Wno-dev to suppress it.
>>> 
>>> -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
>>> See also
>>> "/home/david/Applications/gnucash-3.0/build-cmake/CMakeFiles/CMakeOutput.l
>>> og". See also
>>> "/home/david/Applications/gnucash-3.0/build-cmake/CMakeFiles/CMakeError.lo
>>> g"./
>>> 
>>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> Rob Gowin saw your mistake and pointed it out in gnucash-devel, a better
>> place to discuss build problems:
>> 
>> The error is "cmake  ../gnucash". You want just "cmake 
>> .." to get the root CMakeLists.txt instead of the CMakeLists.txt in the
>> "gnucash" subdirectory.
>> 
>> He recommends creating your build directory completely outside of the source
>> tree as a way to avoid making this mistake.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
> 
> I'm beginning to think it was a bad idea to name the directory for the gui 
> part "gnucash" as well. It seems to lead to all kinds of confusion in build 
> descriptions.

Yeah, though it’s pretty standard practice.

Part of the problem was that the README was a bit confusing. I expanded it with 
more details about what’s going on with the command and the variations, and 
finished up with recommending that one not pass a relative path to cmake.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] future of custom reports in 3.x

[Sébastien de Menten]

Re running reports within gnucash, I have toyed with the idea to be able to
call from gnucash a local web server to run a report and return the HTML to
gnucash (or even other mimetype like an excel, csv or word file). It needed
the Web Client module for guile (
https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Web-Client.html) which
is only avail as of guile 2.0.

With gnucash 3.0 that uses guile 2.2, I will work again on this and I am
more than open to extend the discussion to have a simple protocol/standard
to call a web server (the web server implements a simple Web API to get the
options and another one to get the result when passing both the gnucash URI
and the value of the options). My web server was running locally and was
implemented (obviously) with python and piecash.

Anyone interested ?

sebastien


On Apr 9, 2018 07:14, "Saša Janiška"  wrote:

John Ralls  writes:

> While we would like to replace the reporting system with something
> more flexible and user friendly we’re a very long way from being in a
> position to even start on it.

OK - that's nice to know. ;)


> In the meantime there are four alternatives for custom reports:

> 4. With an XML file use your favorite language's XML bindings with
> XPATH or XQUERY to retrieve the data and format your report.

I'd rather stay away from fiddling with XML stuff.


> 3. Learn Python and use either the python bindings or PieCash (also
> requires the SQL backend) to query the database and write custom
> reports.

I'll take a closer look at this option.


> 2. Learn SQL and use a SQL backend to extract the data you want. The
> results are generally amenable to import into a spreadsheet for
> further processing; you could also install the appropriate ODBC module
> for your SQL engine of choice and connect to it with Libre/OpenOffice,
> Microsoft Access, or some similar tool with a custom report writer or
> your favorite programming language’s SQL interface (e.g. DBAPI for
> Python).

This one seems to be close to 2nd option...


> 1. Learn Scheme and qof-query to make custom reports for use inside
> GnuCash.

This seems to be the most lucrative option enabling one to take
advantage of GC's infrastructure, but just wonder if replacing qof-query
with SQL query query would still allow using it along with Scheme since
"make reports for use inside GnuCash" certainly has its adavantages?


Sincerely,
Gour

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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

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On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 01:48:13PM +, Buddha Buck wrote:

> I concur. Gmail does server-side filtering and labelling, not client-side.

Please be aware that not everyone uses gmail.

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Re: [GNC] Additional filter option (by number) for Transaction report

[Amish]

Yes I know about POSIX negative matcher but one cant memorize its easily.

So I thought one additional checkbox (invert result) can be easy solution?

PS: I will check the scheme report when I get time. If it is easy, I 
will definitely try to add that feature and send PR.


Amish


On Tuesday 10 April 2018 06:31 PM, Christopher Lam wrote:
To Amish: You can set Filter/Transaction Filter regex option to true, 
and use POSIX regular expressions to your content (which may not have 
an intuitive negative-string matcher).


HTH

C

On 10/04/18 20:16, Amish wrote:

Not sending a new email for a similar feature.

Is there a way to have a Negative filter.

Like Memo *not* containing word "Credit Note"

Amish.


On Tuesday 10 April 2018 04:02 PM, C Whistler wrote:

Dear community,

I have started using Gnucash recently and would like to use the 
existing

transaction report to filter out specific transactions.

Though currently I cannot find the option to filter transaction by 
number.


I am guessing the easiest way would be to modify the exiting
Transaction.scm. If someone could kindly give me a hand for the code to
add/modify please it will be much appreciated.
(I have some experience in scripting and am starting to pick up 
scheme now.)


Best regards,
Whistler




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Re: [GNC] ANNOUNCE: GnuCash 3.0 Released

[Geert Janssens]

Op vrijdag 6 april 2018 02:28:51 CEST schreef Gregory Forster:
> I still use version 2.4.13.  It has been the least buggiest for me.
> 
> Greg

That's fine of course although more recent development has discovered bugs in 
those old versions as well that got fixed in the meantime :)

Just for your convenience if you ever decide to migrate to a newer version be 
sure to first open and save your data file with a gnucash 2.6 version 
(preferably the most recent one) and only then with 3.x. We only support data 
upgrades one major version at the time.

Regards,

Geert


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash 3.0 Build error

[Geert Janssens]

Op donderdag 5 april 2018 23:04:39 CEST schreef John Ralls:
> > On Apr 4, 2018, at 10:34 PM, DaveC49  wrote:
> > 
> > After following the build instructions
> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building#Ubuntu
> > 
> > I have checked glib-2.0 and libglib2.0 are installed
> > 
> > I received the following errors when building using cmake (v 3.5.1) on
> > Linux MInt 18.3 :
> > 
> > /$ cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/local/bin/gnucash-cmake -D
> > WITH_AQBANKING=OFF -D WITH_OFX=ON ../gnucash
> > 
> > CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:5 (file):
> >  file problem creating directory: /glib-2.0/schemas
> > 
> > -- Performing Test have_mod_mask
> > -- Performing Test have_mod_mask - Failed
> > 
> > CMake Error at gnome/CMakeLists.txt:59 (gnc_add_swig_guile_command):
> >  Unknown CMake command "gnc_add_swig_guile_command".
> > 
> > CMake Warning (dev) in CMakeLists.txt:
> >  No cmake_minimum_required command is present.  A line of code such as
> >  
> >cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 3.5)
> >  
> >  should be added at the top of the file.  The version specified may be
> > 
> > lower
> > 
> >  if you wish to support older CMake versions for this project.  For more
> >  information run "cmake --help-policy CMP".
> > 
> > This warning is for project developers.  Use -Wno-dev to suppress it.
> > 
> > -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
> > See also
> > "/home/david/Applications/gnucash-3.0/build-cmake/CMakeFiles/CMakeOutput.l
> > og". See also
> > "/home/david/Applications/gnucash-3.0/build-cmake/CMakeFiles/CMakeError.lo
> > g"./
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> 
> Rob Gowin saw your mistake and pointed it out in gnucash-devel, a better
> place to discuss build problems:
> 
> The error is "cmake  ../gnucash". You want just "cmake 
> .." to get the root CMakeLists.txt instead of the CMakeLists.txt in the
> "gnucash" subdirectory.
> 
> He recommends creating your build directory completely outside of the source
> tree as a way to avoid making this mistake.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls

I'm beginning to think it was a bad idea to name the directory for the gui 
part "gnucash" as well. It seems to lead to all kinds of confusion in build 
descriptions.

Geert


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Re: [GNC] GNUCash 3.0: Report Printing problems

[Geert Janssens]

Op woensdag 4 april 2018 22:19:33 CEST schreef Adrien Monteleone:
> I see I have both as well. Perhaps removing it didn’t make it into the final
> commit.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
As I commented on one of the bugs that got marked as a duplicate we need to 
distinguish between linux systems on the one hand and OSX and Windows on the 
other.

For linux we moved to webkit2, which no longer exposes an easy function to 
print to pdf. Our intention was to move to webkit2 on Windowss and OS X as 
well, but due to technical issues this hasn't happened for the 3.0 release 
(and I don't know if we ever will be able to - webkit2 won't build on those 
systems).

As we were migrating to webkit2, we found the missing pdf feature and amended 
the code to simply display the print dialog in both cases. Only then we came 
to the conclusion webkit2 wasn't going to happen on Windows and OS X and had 
to revert parts of the code. I suspect we mixed up there which leads to the 
current situation on Windows and OS X.

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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Buddha Buck]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:37 AM Colin Law  wrote:

> On 10 April 2018 at 12:51, Adonay Felipe Nogueira 
> wrote:
> > 2018-04-10T09:51:58+0200 Saša Janiška wrote:
> >> E.g. gnucash-users list uses Mailman which does provide e.g. List-Id
> >> header for simple filtering...
> >
> > Probably some weak webmail client full of non-free software through
> > client-side JavaScript, such as Gmail and Outlook's webmail. They do
> > have filters, but not generally good, and are somewhat enticing in a way
> > that the end-user never questions the features or misbehaviors provided,
> > such that they just use it as it is.
>
> I have no problems filtering mailing lists with gmail. I just opened
> one of the posts, told gmail to 'filter messages like this' told it
> which folder to put them in and it works, as far as I can see,
> flawlessly.  Gnucash mails are automatically moved to the folder on
> receipt.
>

I concur. Gmail does server-side filtering and labelling, not client-side.

When I go into my gmail settings, I can see a list of filters, one of which
is "Matches: list:(gnucash-user@gnucash.org)/Do this: apply label
'gnucash/gnucash-user" and all my gnucash-user email is labelled as a
gnucash-user email.

Google Inbox is a different front-end for the same mail back-end, and it
uses (again, serverside) a Bayesian categorizer to place emails in
user-definable "bundles", such as "gnucash". It does this behind the scenes
by adding a gmail label to the mail.

Which means that when I look at this email in gmail, I'll see it
listed as "gnucash
gnucash/gnucash-user [GNC] Re: GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject
Prefix", which is getting a bit ridiculous.


> I also think this idea is just adding clutter.
>
> Colin
>
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Re: [GNC] "No suitable backend" error for database backed gnucash file

[Geert Janssens]

Op maandag 9 april 2018 11:13:16 CEST schreef coolnodje:
>sqlite is still installed and available on my machine.
>I can't make sure which version is used though, as there are several
>and I don't quite get which PATH Gnucash is using on MacOS.
> 
>It's very likely that it uses the MacOS pre-installed version and that
>it hasn't changed.
> 
>If Gnucash has access to the specific "brew" installed binaries then it
>may be that a newer version isn't compatible.
> 
>-nodje

Did you try as suggested in the bug report to add a line to your environment 
file ?
That advice was the first suggestion in comment one
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=794933#c1
and this fixed the backend issue for the other reporters.

Geert


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Re: [GNC] GDPR and data held in GnuCash

[Mike Evans]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:54:16 +0100
"Maf. King"  wrote:

> On Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:24:55 BST Colin Law wrote:
> 
> > However I believe that any data that is required for 'contractual'
> > reasons is not covered.  When one sells anything there is an implicit
> > (or explicit) contract so I assume (though I have no qualifications in
> > this area) that customer data required for invoices and so on would
> > not be covered.  However if I were a business with customer data I
> > would be asking my legal guy about this.
> >   
> 
> That is basically what I've been advised.  If you sell stuff, then you are 
> able to hold invoice & delivery details for the purposes of that transaction 
> (and future transactions too)  Also, in the case of the invoice address, 
> there 
> is no "right to be forgotten" as it is statutory info that you have to hold 
> for the tax authorities to inspect (should they wish to).
> 
> What you can't do  for example, is use the delivery data to send a marketing 
> mailshot without prior, documented, explicit consent for that use, and even 
> then, only is sofar as you have said you would in the privacy policy.
> 
> IANAL, but I don't think this is an issue for GC  - indeed, for many years it 
> was remarkably hard to get customer details out of GC to use for other 
> purposes!
> 
> Maf.
> 
> 

Good points and now having read:

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/lawful-basis-for-processing/contract/

I'm inclined to agree that this is not an issue for GnuCash.
It seems though that I need to document this as part of company policy.

Mike E
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Re: [GNC] future of custom reports in 3.x

[Geert Janssens]

Op maandag 9 april 2018 07:12:29 CEST schreef Saša Janiška:
> John Ralls  writes:
> > 3. Learn Python and use either the python bindings or PieCash (also
> > requires the SQL backend) to query the database and write custom
> > reports.
> 
> I'll take a closer look at this option.
> 
> > 2. Learn SQL and use a SQL backend to extract the data you want. The
> > results are generally amenable to import into a spreadsheet for
> > further processing; you could also install the appropriate ODBC module
> > for your SQL engine of choice and connect to it with Libre/OpenOffice,
> > Microsoft Access, or some similar tool with a custom report writer or
> > your favorite programming language’s SQL interface (e.g. DBAPI for
> > Python).
> 
> This one seems to be close to 2nd option...

It is similar but not the same. PieCash reimplements the gnucash business 
logic in python, where our python bindings use the gnucash built-in business 
logic.

> 
> > 1. Learn Scheme and qof-query to make custom reports for use inside
> > GnuCash.
> 
> This seems to be the most lucrative option enabling one to take
> advantage of GC's infrastructure, but just wonder if replacing qof-query
> with SQL query query would still allow using it along with Scheme since
> "make reports for use inside GnuCash" certainly has its adavantages?

That's the long term plan - replacing qof-query with sql query. And that's 
what John hinted at - we're still far away from that. And chances are scheme 
will be replaced as well, though we don't know yet by what (we recently came 
across the mustache template language that may be considered, but again we're 
still far away from that).

Geert


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Re: [GNC] Additional filter option (by number) for Transaction report

[Christopher Lam]

To Whistler and Amish:

/If you have upgraded to Gnucash 2.7 onwards:/

To Whistler: See attached patch - you can apply to your sources and 
rebuild, or patch transaction.scm in gnucash installation folder.


To Amish: You can set Filter/Transaction Filter regex option to true, 
and use POSIX regular expressions to your content (which may not have an 
intuitive negative-string matcher).


HTH

C

On 10/04/18 20:16, Amish wrote:

Not sending a new email for a similar feature.

Is there a way to have a Negative filter.

Like Memo *not* containing word "Credit Note"

Amish.


On Tuesday 10 April 2018 04:02 PM, C Whistler wrote:

Dear community,

I have started using Gnucash recently and would like to use the existing
transaction report to filter out specific transactions.

Though currently I cannot find the option to filter transaction by 
number.


I am guessing the easiest way would be to modify the exiting
Transaction.scm. If someone could kindly give me a hand for the code to
add/modify please it will be much appreciated.
(I have some experience in scripting and am starting to pick up 
scheme now.)


Best regards,
Whistler


diff --git a/gnucash/report/standard-reports/transaction.scm b/gnucash/report/standard-reports/transaction.scm
index 1feee34d0..579b7fac8 100644
--- a/gnucash/report/standard-reports/transaction.scm
+++ b/gnucash/report/standard-reports/transaction.scm
@@ -505,7 +505,7 @@ Expenses:Car and Expenses:Flights. Use a period (.) to match a single character
   (gnc:register-trep-option
(gnc:make-string-option
 pagename-filter optname-transaction-matcher
-"i1" (_ "Show only transactions where description, notes, or memo matches this filter.
+"i1" (_ "Show only transactions where description, notes, num, or memo matches this filter.
 e.g. '#gift' will find all transactions with #gift in description, notes or memo. It can be left \
 blank, which will disable the filter.")
 ""))
@@ -1919,6 +1919,7 @@ tags within description, notes or memo. ")
((include) (is-filter-member split c_account_2))
((exclude) (not (is-filter-member split c_account_2
  (or (string-null? transaction-matcher) ; null-string = ignore filters
+ (match? (gnc-get-num-action trans split))
  (match? (xaccTransGetDescription trans))
  (match? (xaccTransGetNotes trans))
  (match? (xaccSplitGetMemo split)))
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Re: [GNC] [GNC-dev] GnuCash 2.6.20 Released

[Geert Janssens]

Op zondag 8 april 2018 23:58:50 CEST schreef Mark Cochran:
> On 04/08/2018 12:06 PM, John Ralls wrote:
> >> On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Mark Cochran 
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Fedora 27, using MariaDB 10.2.14 backend, with gnucash database on one
> >> host. gnucash 2.6.20 rev 972647d2d
> >> I get as far as "Loading data..." on the spash screen, then
> >> 'GnuCash could not complete a critical test for the presence of a bug in
> >> the "libdbi" library.'
> >> 
> >> trace file shows
> >> * 11:40:25  WARN  [conn_test_dbi_library()]
> >> Test_DBI_Library: Create table failed * 11:40:47  CRIT 
> >> gnc_dbi_unlock: assertion 'dbi_conn_error( dcon, NULL ) == 0' failed *
> >> 11:40:52  WARN  Could not locate file AUTHORS
> >> * 11:40:52  WARN  Could not locate file DOCUMENTERS
> >> * 11:40:52  WARN  Could not locate file LICENSE
> >> 
> >> Another Fedora 27 laptop connecting to that same DB host with gnucash
> >> 2.6.18 rev 3a9fbb8+ works OK.> 
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795049
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
> 
> Thanks.  FYI, I built 3.0 from master on github, initially had the same
> issues as Alex posted in "unstable terminates immediately" in the
> gnucash-devel channel. But after installing to directory under $HOME,
> 3.0 works OK with mysql/MariaDB.

That issue is is separate and tracked in https://bugzilla.gnome.org/
show_bug.cgi?id=794916

Regards,

Geert


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Re: [GNC] gnucash 3.0 installation

[Geert Janssens]

Op zondag 8 april 2018 04:44:00 CEST schreef DaveC49:
> James,
> 
> The target will depend upon the distribution you are running.
> As Adrien has said /opt is one possibility.
> 
> If you are running a version released by the Ubuntu distribution managers,
> i.e. installed with sudo apt-get install gnucash, it is likely to be
> installed in /usr/local.
> 
> The advantage of using /opt is you can test a later release without
> interfering with the distribution release and if you were to install the
> distribution release it won't overwrite the version you have compiled.  I
> never install from the distro so I normally install in /usr/local and keep
> /opt for when I occasional work on the development version of gnucash
> 
> Also depending on where you have put the build directory for cmake the
> ../gnucash as the argument may be incorrect. If you have downloaded and
> extracted the gnucash-3.0.tar.bz2, you will have a top level directory
> gnucash-3.0 not gnucash unless you renamed it. This argument should point to
> the top level CMakeLists.txt file which is in the gnucash-3.0 folder.
> 
> If you create build-cmake in the gnucash-3.0 folder as the wiki Build#Ubuntu
> page suggesst and then cd into it for the build then using ".." or "../" as
> the argument to Cmake should take you back to the gnucash-3.0 folder and
> Cmake should look for the CMakeLists.txt file in that folder. The other
> alternative is to use an absolute path to the gnucash-3.0 folder.
> 
> One of the developers, Rob Gowin has suggested putting the build-cmake
> folder outside the gnucash-3.0 folder to simplify specifying the first level
> file for CMake.
Besides Rob Gowin most other gnucash developers will also encourage to use a 
build directory that's not a descendant of your source directory. Your method 
works as wel, but there are more pitfalls and more confusion, which means more 
support requests.

> I prefer not to do this as I sometimes have a couple of
> versions of Gnu8cash built and I prefer the build directory to be under the
> gnucash- folder so I can be sure which version i am installing.
> 
If you know what you're doing that's fine. Though you can just as well create 
a directory tree that represents what you want without requiring your build 
dir to be a descendant of your source dir.
You could say
unstable/src
unstable/build

or
branch-abc/gnucash
branch-abc/build

or even
gnc-maint
build-gnc-maint

But as said before, if you understand how it works you can do as you like.

Geert


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Re: [GNC] GDPR and data held in GnuCash

[Maf. King]

On Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:24:55 BST Colin Law wrote:

> However I believe that any data that is required for 'contractual'
> reasons is not covered.  When one sells anything there is an implicit
> (or explicit) contract so I assume (though I have no qualifications in
> this area) that customer data required for invoices and so on would
> not be covered.  However if I were a business with customer data I
> would be asking my legal guy about this.
> 

That is basically what I've been advised.  If you sell stuff, then you are 
able to hold invoice & delivery details for the purposes of that transaction 
(and future transactions too)  Also, in the case of the invoice address, there 
is no "right to be forgotten" as it is statutory info that you have to hold 
for the tax authorities to inspect (should they wish to).

What you can't do  for example, is use the delivery data to send a marketing 
mailshot without prior, documented, explicit consent for that use, and even 
then, only is sofar as you have said you would in the privacy policy.

IANAL, but I don't think this is an issue for GC  - indeed, for many years it 
was remarkably hard to get customer details out of GC to use for other 
purposes!

Maf.



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Re: [GNC] GNC gnucash 3.0 installation

[Geert Janssens]

Op zondag 8 april 2018 01:06:10 CEST schreef Adrien Monteleone:
> Your target will likely be /opt for anyone to be able to run it. Some people
> install it in a path in their home directories.
> 
Note that cmake+gnucash+/opt prefix don't go together very well currently:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=794916


So for now it's better to use an alternative.

Geert


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[GNC] Quick v3 Backup Query

[Fross, Michael]

Hello everyone,

I'm on Windows and for v2, I built a backup script that runs and backs up
the following:

   - Datafile
   - my .gnucash directory (as defined in variable GNC_DOT_DIR)
   - gsettings from HKCU\Software\GSettings\org\gnucash
   - aqbanking directory


As I prepare to move to v3, I wanted to ensure that I have everything in my
backup.

I know that the GNC Config directory is now pointed to by GNC_DOC_DIR and
it sounds like the default location as switched to CSIDL_APPDATA\gnucash,
but is my list still complete?  Anything else change?

I've gone through the release notes and I think it's right, but now is the
time to check before I need anything :)

Thank you everyone.

Michael
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Re: [GNC] Automatic Invoice numbering

[Amish]

See this: 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.6/C/gnucash-help/book-options.html#counters-book-options


This also allows you to have Prefix AND/OR suffix to Automatically 
generated invoice numbers.


Regards,

Amish

On Tuesday 10 April 2018 05:54 PM, subscriptions wrote:
Does GNUC support automatically selecting a invoice number when 
creating a new invoice for clients? ...


Thanks,

jdegraw


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Re: [GNC] Automatic Invoice numbering

[subscriptions]

On 04/10/2018 08:28 AM, Derek Atkins wrote:

Leave it blank and it will choose the next number in sequence.

-derek
Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos.
On April 10, 2018 8:24:46 AM subscriptions 
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Does GNUC support automatically selecting a invoice number when creating
a new invoice for clients? Seems I always have to assign a invoice
number and I run the chance of accidentally creating a duplicate invoice
number. Perhaps its a setting I missed?

Thanks,

jdegraw

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Thank you for the quick response. I was kinda thrown off as I expected 
an invoice number to appear then you click on "New Customer Invoice". 
Thank you very much.


jdegraw

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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Colin Law]

On 10 April 2018 at 12:51, Adonay Felipe Nogueira  wrote:
> 2018-04-10T09:51:58+0200 Saša Janiška wrote:
>> E.g. gnucash-users list uses Mailman which does provide e.g. List-Id
>> header for simple filtering...
>
> Probably some weak webmail client full of non-free software through
> client-side JavaScript, such as Gmail and Outlook's webmail. They do
> have filters, but not generally good, and are somewhat enticing in a way
> that the end-user never questions the features or misbehaviors provided,
> such that they just use it as it is.

I have no problems filtering mailing lists with gmail. I just opened
one of the posts, told gmail to 'filter messages like this' told it
which folder to put them in and it works, as far as I can see,
flawlessly.  Gnucash mails are automatically moved to the folder on
receipt.

I also think this idea is just adding clutter.

Colin
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Re: [GNC] Automatic Invoice numbering

[Derek Atkins]

Leave it blank and it will choose the next number in sequence.

-derek
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On April 10, 2018 8:24:46 AM subscriptions 
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Does GNUC support automatically selecting a invoice number when creating
a new invoice for clients? Seems I always have to assign a invoice
number and I run the chance of accidentally creating a duplicate invoice
number. Perhaps its a setting I missed?

Thanks,

jdegraw

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Re: [GNC] GDPR and data held in GnuCash

[Colin Law]

I found this a useful link [1] along with the rest of that website.
The GDPRs apply to businesses and also to non-profits such as clubs.
As I understand it all organisations have to have a Privacy Policy and
need to get explicit agreement from all those they hold personal data
on in order to keep their data.

However I believe that any data that is required for 'contractual'
reasons is not covered.  When one sells anything there is an implicit
(or explicit) contract so I assume (though I have no qualifications in
this area) that customer data required for invoices and so on would
not be covered.  However if I were a business with customer data I
would be asking my legal guy about this.

Colin

[1] 
https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/resources-and-support/data-protection-self-assessment/

On 10 April 2018 at 12:51, Mike Evans  wrote:
> Is everyone aware of the impact of GDPR on their customers/vendors data 
> stored within GnuCash?  I admit I've only just become aware of it and am 
> still puzzled as what I should do to be compliant.
>
> It seems I may have to either delete all my customer data or "repermission" 
> my existing customers and vendors in order to hold any data about them. I'm 
> not sure how GnuCash will behave if I delete customer data, given that I 
> can't do that via GnuCash and will have to "manually" edit my database (or 
> XML file in my case). I should probably file an enhancement request to add a 
> delete customer facility to GnuCash.
>
> It may be only applicable if you hold data for the purposes of mailing list 
> marketing.
>
> There may be issues if you backup or store your GnuCash data "in the cloud" 
> as this probably means moving data to servers based outside of the EU. In 
> which case it will have to be encrypted before transmission. I guess that 
> applies for server storage inside the EU too. Business users storing 
> unencrypted data in the "cloud" would fall foul of the regulations.
>
> There's a Wikipedia article at 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
>
> and there's https://www.eugdpr.org/
>
>
> Just a few discussion points.
> Mike Evans
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[GNC] Automatic Invoice numbering

[subscriptions]

Does GNUC support automatically selecting a invoice number when creating 
a new invoice for clients? Seems I always have to assign a invoice 
number and I run the chance of accidentally creating a duplicate invoice 
number. Perhaps its a setting I missed?


Thanks,

jdegraw

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Re: [GNC] Additional filter option (by number) for Transaction report

[Amish]

Not sending a new email for a similar feature.

Is there a way to have a Negative filter.

Like Memo *not* containing word "Credit Note"

Amish.


On Tuesday 10 April 2018 04:02 PM, C Whistler wrote:

Dear community,

I have started using Gnucash recently and would like to use the existing
transaction report to filter out specific transactions.

Though currently I cannot find the option to filter transaction by number.

I am guessing the easiest way would be to modify the exiting
Transaction.scm. If someone could kindly give me a hand for the code to
add/modify please it will be much appreciated.
(I have some experience in scripting and am starting to pick up scheme now.)

Best regards,
Whistler



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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Saša Janiška]

Alain Williams  writes:

> All very nice if you want to do that; some do, some don't.

Personally I do not mind too much since I use Gmane, but isn't it
strange that *all* users are paying the 'price' for users that "don't
want to do that" (aka mail filtering) ? ;)


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Re: [GNC] Building issues

[Geert Janssens]

Op vrijdag 6 april 2018 16:42:38 CEST schreef John Ralls:
> > On Apr 6, 2018, at 5:07 AM, Carlos A. Garcia
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Dear users,
> > 
> > I'd tried to compile GNC V3. on Linux Mint  18.3 Sylvia, (Spanish
> > language) and blocked in this stage:
> > 
> > [ 30%] Generating ../../lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.2/gnucash/core-utils.go
> > Backtrace:
> > 
> > In /usr/bin/guild:
> > 74:17 19 (main _)
> > 
> > In srfi/srfi-1.scm:
> > 640:9 18 (for-each # …)
> > 
> > In scripts/compile.scm:
> >251:26 17 (_ _)
> > 
> > In system/base/target.scm:
> >  57:6 16 (with-target _ _)
> > 
> > In system/base/compile.scm:
> > 152:6 15 (compile-file _ #:output-file _ #:from _ #:to _ #:env _ …)
> > 
> >  43:4 14 (call-once _)
> > 
> > In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
> > 841:4 13 (with-throw-handler _ _ _)
> > 
> > In system/base/compile.scm:
> > 59:11 12 (_)
> >
> >155:11 11 (_ #)
> >235:18 10 (read-and-compile # #:from _ # …)
> >183:32  9 (compile-fold (#) …)
> > 
> > In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
> >2312:4  8 (save-module-excursion #)
> > 
> > In language/scheme/compile-tree-il.scm:
> > 31:15  7 (_)
> > 
> > In ice-9/psyntax.scm:
> >   1235:36  6 (expand-top-sequence ((re-export #)) _ _ #f c (# load …) …)
> >   1182:24  5 (parse _ (("placeholder" placeholder)) ((top) #(# # …)) …)
> >   
> >285:10  4 (parse _ (("placeholder" placeholder)) (()) _ c (# #) #)
> > 
> > In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
> >   2071:24  3 (call-with-deferred-observers #)
> >   
> >260:13  2 (for-each # …)
> > 
> > In unknown file:
> >1 (scm-error misc-error #f "~A ~S" ("Undefined variab…" …) …)
> > 
> > In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
> >752:25  0 (dispatch-exception _ _ _)
> > 
> > ice-9/boot-9.scm:752:25: In procedure dispatch-exception:
> > Undefined variable: gnc-build-userdata-path
> > libgnucash/core-utils/CMakeFiles/scm-core-utils.dir/build.make:61: fallo
> > en las instrucciones para el objetivo
> > 'lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.2/gnucash/core-utils.go' make[2]: ***
> > [lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.2/gnucash/core-utils.go] Error 1
> > CMakeFiles/Makefile2:3847: fallo en las instrucciones para el objetivo
> > 'libgnucash/core-utils/CMakeFiles/scm-core-utils.dir/all' make[1]: ***
> > [libgnucash/core-utils/CMakeFiles/scm-core-utils.dir/all] Error 2
> > Makefile:160: fallo en las instrucciones para el objetivo 'all'
> > make: *** [all] Error 2
> > 
> > 
> > I could solved previous errors, but this is a mystery for me (I'm not an
> > expert).
> > 
> > Any indication to follow?
> 
> As a first guess it’s a Guile 2.2 compatibility issue. That’s going to have
> to wait for Geert to get back and wade through all of the messages since
> he’s been away...
> 
Unfortunately I can't reproduce on Fedora 27 (which ships guile 2.2.2).

As gnc_build_userdata_path is a new function in gnucash 3.0 it's very likely 
your system is picking up libraries from an older version of gnucash on your 
system.

Is this a build from a git clone or from a release tarball ?

Things to try:
- if you ever built gnucash within the source tree, wipe the full source tree 
and clone it again/extract the tarball again, effectively starting from 
scratch. In your new build, avoid building inside the source tree.
- wipe your build directory and restart with cmake
- Do you have other gnucash versions installed ? If so, can you remove it and 
restart the build ?

Regards,

Geert


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Re: [GNC] encoding bug in 3.0

[Geert Janssens]

Op zaterdag 7 april 2018 07:29:34 CEST schreef René Romijn:
> Hi Colin,
> 
> That won't work entirly because gnucash is looking for the reports at the
> Documents .gnucash directory, because it cannot find them gnucash is using
> the Temp directory for the custom reports.

That's not completely correct. As of gnucash 3.0 custom reports are searched 
for in
CSIDL_APPDATA\gnucash
which would typically translate to
c:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\gnucash

The first time you run gnucash 3.0 the files in your .gnucash directory should 
be migrated there.

Does that directory exist and hold a file named saved-reports-2.8 ? Or other 
files starting with saved-reports ?

I guess not since you mention gnucash is using the Temp directory, which it 
only does if the CSIDL_APPDATA\gnucash directory can't be used (read-only, 
inaccessible, impossible to create).

Can you also post the contents of your trace file [1] ? Ideally the one from 
when you first ran gnucash 3.0, but I suspect all tracefiles from 3.0 will 
hold the same warnings regarding the path.

Regards,

Geert


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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Amish]

Is it possible to put [GNC] tag at the end of the subject.

Those who filter on subject will still be able to use it

and those who are disturbed by additional unnecessary tagging would be 
happy too.


Amish.


On Tuesday 10 April 2018 05:09 PM, Alain Williams wrote:


The point is that different people choose different ones - for whatever reason.
So: let's make it easy for people who are not using your chosen MUA to also
distinguish GC/GNC email from the others in their mailbox. The price for those
who do not need it on the Subject: line is a few characters - get over it!



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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

2018-04-10T09:51:58+0200 Saša Janiška wrote:
> E.g. gnucash-users list uses Mailman which does provide e.g. List-Id
> header for simple filtering...

Probably some weak webmail client full of non-free software through
client-side JavaScript, such as Gmail and Outlook's webmail. They do
have filters, but not generally good, and are somewhat enticing in a way
that the end-user never questions the features or misbehaviors provided,
such that they just use it as it is.

A rule of thumb for those reading through webmail or starting to
configure email clients: For emailing (not just mailing lists), use an
email client with POP3 for receiving and SMTP for sending --- make sure
to configure both with TLS and secure authentication ---, after this, go
to the *webmail* and order it to *not* send email to "Spam" or "Junk"
directories --- contact the webmail provider for details on how to do
this ---, instead send those emails to "INBOX" and have the suspicious
emails' subject appended with something like "*SPAM*", or do no subject
change and instead make the *email client* itself split by an antispam
header. Appending "*SPAM*" to the subject avoids having the annoying
situation in which someone sends you an important message but it's
forgotten in the junk/spam directory. I have sent a job application
November last year, but only got the read receipt (disposition
notification) last week, and the recipient had a Gmail/Hotmail email
address.
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[GNC] GDPR and data held in GnuCash

[Mike Evans]

Is everyone aware of the impact of GDPR on their customers/vendors data stored 
within GnuCash?  I admit I've only just become aware of it and am still puzzled 
as what I should do to be compliant.

It seems I may have to either delete all my customer data or "repermission" my 
existing customers and vendors in order to hold any data about them. I'm not 
sure how GnuCash will behave if I delete customer data, given that I can't do 
that via GnuCash and will have to "manually" edit my database (or XML file in 
my case). I should probably file an enhancement request to add a delete 
customer facility to GnuCash.

It may be only applicable if you hold data for the purposes of mailing list 
marketing.

There may be issues if you backup or store your GnuCash data "in the cloud" as 
this probably means moving data to servers based outside of the EU. In which 
case it will have to be encrypted before transmission. I guess that applies for 
server storage inside the EU too. Business users storing unencrypted data in 
the "cloud" would fall foul of the regulations.

There's a Wikipedia article at 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation 

and there's https://www.eugdpr.org/


Just a few discussion points.
Mike Evans
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Alain Williams]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 08:31:32AM -0300, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:
> 2018-04-06T11:08:57+1000 Steve Parry wrote:
> > when eye scanning and the option to have a mail client rule to filter
> > them into a separate folder.
> 
> Some email clients, for example GNU Emacs Gnus, allows you to do email

The clue to this is ''Some email clients''.

The point is that different people choose different ones - for whatever reason.
So: let's make it easy for people who are not using your chosen MUA to also
distinguish GC/GNC email from the others in their mailbox. The price for those
who do not need it on the Subject: line is a few characters - get over it!

> splitting, in which you can make groups/directories that will hold email
> messages that match a certain rule, and this can be done by testing for
> the "gnucash-user@gnucash.org" email, or the corresponding bouncer.

All very nice if you want to do that; some do, some don't.

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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

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2018-04-06T11:08:57+1000 Steve Parry wrote:
> when eye scanning and the option to have a mail client rule to filter
> them into a separate folder.

Some email clients, for example GNU Emacs Gnus, allows you to do email
splitting, in which you can make groups/directories that will hold email
messages that match a certain rule, and this can be done by testing for
the "gnucash-user@gnucash.org" email, or the corresponding bouncer.

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Re: [GNC] Additional filter option (by number) for Transaction report

[David Carlson]

I think that the Transaction Report starts with all the transactions in the
current register view so if you start by filtering by date and/or number
that reduces the set of transactions used in the report.

David C

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 5:32 AM, C Whistler  wrote:

> Dear community,
>
> I have started using Gnucash recently and would like to use the existing
> transaction report to filter out specific transactions.
>
> Though currently I cannot find the option to filter transaction by number.
>
> I am guessing the easiest way would be to modify the exiting
> Transaction.scm. If someone could kindly give me a hand for the code to
> add/modify please it will be much appreciated.
> (I have some experience in scripting and am starting to pick up scheme
> now.)
>
> Best regards,
> Whistler
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[GNC] Additional filter option (by number) for Transaction report

[C Whistler]

Dear community,

I have started using Gnucash recently and would like to use the existing
transaction report to filter out specific transactions.

Though currently I cannot find the option to filter transaction by number.

I am guessing the easiest way would be to modify the exiting
Transaction.scm. If someone could kindly give me a hand for the code to
add/modify please it will be much appreciated.
(I have some experience in scripting and am starting to pick up scheme now.) 

Best regards,
Whistler



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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Saša Janiška]

Mark Lawrence  writes:

> I see it as a fourth rate solution to a problem that simply does not
> exist.  As I've said previously just point your email/news reader app
> at news.gmane.org and get all of the filtering done for free.

+1 for Gmane, but I also wonder what mail clients do people use that
do not provide simple filtering features?

E.g. gnucash-users list uses Mailman which does provide e.g. List-Id
header for simple filtering...


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