Re: [GNC] Payroll add-on, module, software?

[Adrien Monteleone]

It strikes me as the problem is being overthought.

If a spreadsheet can handle the calculations, it can’t be that complicated.

If a spreadsheet can handle creating the proper csv for export and then import 
into gnucash, again, it can’t be that complicated.

The complications are jurisdictional and apply BEFORE any transaction entry in 
csv form is generated.

Maybe you accomplish this with a spreadsheet, maybe a python module or maybe 
even a webapp. The end result just needs to be a csv that can be imported into 
GnuCash.

If you want to take it a step further, use the APIs to write the data and skip 
the csv step.

I’d guess a plugin-module is possible, but it isn’t even necessary. I’d suspect 
plenty of people are using some combination (or other) solution that I’ve 
already mentioned. It’s just that they haven’t published it so no one knows 
about it. Someone out there is calculating payroll and automatically importing 
the resulting transaction to GnuCash, we just don’t know who they are or how 
they are going about it. (and perhaps their’s isn’t the best method even)

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 26, 2018, at 5:40 PM, R. Victor Klassen  wrote:
> 
> When I think of the requirements for payroll, it seems like it would require 
> more than a “plug-in” that accepts parameters that vary by jurisdiction.  It 
> would need to be more like a full programming language (well, not full - 
> arbitrary loop controls not required - for language geeks, it would likely be 
> regular, not even context-free).  Having written a (brittle) program to 
> generate payroll for Ontario, Canada, for the special case of agricultural 
> workers - and yes, it is that specific - I could imagine (if I had the time 
> and inclination) writing a program that handled all the cases of payroll for 
> any employment class in any province of Canada.  It would likely be several 
> hundred lines of code, and refer to a database of probably a dozen and a half 
> parameters per jurisdiction.
> 
> Any idea that that would be universal beyond Canada would be fantasy.  It 
> might be easy, it might be hard to generalize to the US states.  But it would 
> be quite a lot of work to verify it worked for all 50 states - which is to 
> say the structure would work, without getting the parameters right.   And 
> those are likely two of the most similar super-jurisdictions.  
> 
> It might eventually get easy to add jurisdictions.  But it might not. 
> 
> But my point is that I would expect to need to encode an algorithm per 
> jurisdiction, not just a series of parameters (like tax brackets, basic 
> exemptions).
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2018, at 11:28 AM, John Ralls  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2018, at 7:51 AM, John Ralls  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 26, 2018, at 6:01 AM, Maf. King  wrote:
 
 On Thursday, 26 July 2018 12:36:27 BST Mike or Penny Novack wrote:
 
> 
> Saying that no third party has expressed interest in writing something
> that would send a feed to gnucash ignores that gnucash does not have the
> capability of (properly) dealing with batch feeds.
> 
> Michael
 
 Why do the words "chicken and egg" pop into my head...?
 
 IIRC, the original Business Features added by Derek were a module.  One 
 could 
 theoretically compile GC (1.6 or 1.8?) with a flag and the whole A/P & A/R 
 subsystem wouldn't exist.  But that may be the 20 years that John referred 
 to!
>>> 
>>> No, Derek isn’t a 3rd-party developer.  He's very much part of the core 
>>> team and has been for most of those 20 years, though he’s shifted his 
>>> contributions from coding to maintaining the infrastructure.
>> 
>> It does occur to me, though, that more broadly there has been third-party 
>> interest, just not in writing GnuCash plugin modules. Doug Doughty’s 
>> reports, for example, are a different form of plug-in. Sébastien de Menten’s 
>> piecash is completely external to GnuCash, using SQLite to directly access 
>> GnuCash databases is another example. Anyone who’s used the GnuCash API or 
>> Scheme and Python bindings is a 3rd party extending GnuCash, even if they 
>> don’t publish their work for others to use.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>> 
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[GNC] Entering a 2-digit year generates the wrong date

[Chris Velevitch]

 When I enter a new transaction with a 2-digit year, the resultant date
becames1899. For example, I enter 10 for the year and I get 1899 when I
expect to get 2010. This worked in 2.x.



Mac OSX: 10.11.6, GnuCash 3.2+ (2018-06-24)
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[GNC] Posting Asset expenses via Vendor Bill

[dlbonline]

I am new to gnuCash, so I hope this is not already asked and answered.  

 

I have rental and flip property that carry expenses against an asset.  For
example, I have a painter paint a house for me.  He sends an invoice,  I
enter the invoice into the Business->vendor->New Bill form.  In the "Expense
Account" column, I enter the following account (which does exist in the COA)
Assets:Fixed Assets:House:473 Darlington:Paint.  After the bill is posted,
the transaction does not show up on the Asset's ledger.

 

This appears to work if I enter the "Expense Account" as an existing expense
account.  For example Expenses:Home Repair:Paint.  But, this does not show
up on the ledger for the Asset, which is ultimately what I need.

 

Is there a way to accomplish this transaction?

 

Thanks.

 

David Briggs

dlbonl...@cox.net  

918 625 9170

 

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Re: [GNC] Change text color

[GT-I9070 H]

One file for everything is better.

In my .ini file there is only one section and one line to change the text
size of the accounts page because it was the only method I found and
worked, the .css method for this fails. For everything else I use .css,
I've customized the registry with .css.

For tabs I already got change color and font.

I had already done searches on the list and I was not lucky.

Of course we can wait, without problems, meanwhile I'll keep trying.


Regards
GTI

Em qui, 26 de jul de 2018 às 18:20, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> escreveu:

> Personally, I wouldn’t mess with .ini methods. I’d opt for a custom css
> file. Then the task is to find out the nodes in the app you want to change
> and set a “color: “ declaration for that node. It’s possible that the node
> of the main window or the CoA tab alone could get a color: declaration to
> change the font color across the board. (if you gleaned from reading the
> css-overview, every UI element—windows, controls, et cetera all have
> ’nodes’ that you can style according to your tastes. This is analogous to
> HTML elements.)
>
> This is where the inspector comes in. Otherwise, do a list search as I
> recall someone making this or similar changes in the last two or three
> months. Perhaps one of the nodes they talk about is the one you want.
>
> I just cleaned out my 2.6.x installation in Ubuntu 16.04 and will get
> around to building 3.2 or 3.3 likely tomorrow and then fire up the
> inspector to start checking things out. I’d like to document in the wiki
> and on git ALL of the UI nodes with screenshots. If you can wait a day or
> two, I’ll make the first discovery the CoA text nodes and report them back
> here.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> > On Jul 26, 2018, at 4:20 PM, GT-I9070 H  wrote:
> >
> > About the Inspector, my deductions are confirmed!  ;)
> >
> >
> > The question marks led you to think that my doubt was in what went after
> the equal sign of the expression "gtk-font-color = ".
> > Thank you. Good clarifications about color names, but I have already
> studied this on
> https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/chap-css-overview.html and other
> sites and in this part there are no problems.
> >
> > Well ... deductions are more of our abilities and for me there is a
> great deal of success.
> >
> > Then ... the expression "gtk-font-color = " is one more of my
> deductions, was invented by me, I have never seen this written elsewhere
> and this is the problem.
> > What is the correct expression for .ini file and/or .css file?
> >
> > I did several searches and testing and did not get anything that worked,
> including with the expression: gtk-font-color=color name
> >
> > Regards
> > GTI
> >
> > Em qui, 26 de jul de 2018 às 14:00, Adrien Monteleone <
> adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> escreveu:
> > The inspector is for *nix and is part of GTK. I looked around to see if
> it will run on windows (since GTK itself can run on windows) but have come
> up dry so far. My own dabbling with the inspector is on the backburner, but
> I’ll post my findings here and on the wiki when I get to it.
> >
> > As for the color, you need a color name, a reference to a system color,
> or a color code. (which may be hex or rgb, rgba) Color names are either the
> HTML ‘websafe’ color names, or pre-defined gtk-color names.
> >
> > See this page here and scroll down to the color section for exact
> specifications:
> https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/chap-css-overview.html
> >
> > So if you wanted text in steel blue, you could use either:
> >
> > gtk-font-color=SteelBlue
> >
> > or
> >
> > gtk-font-color=#4682b4
> >
> > assuming ‘gtk-font-color’ is the correct property.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 26, 2018, at 10:53 AM, GT-I9070 H  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi  Adrien,
> > > Thanks for the reply.
> > >
> > > I forgot to mention that I'm on Windows 10.
> > > I had already looked here https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GTK3 and
> found nothing to change the text color of the accounts page.
> > >
> > > The phrase "To enable it run in a terminal :" here
> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK%2B/Inspector does not clarify which
> terminal and suggests that Inspector does not run on Windows.
> > > Windows can't interpret these commands.
> > >
> > > This
> > >
> > > [Settings]
> > > gtk-font-name=Arial 14
> > >
> > > in my settings.ini file changes the font size.
> > >
> > > I guess I need something like:
> > >
> > > [Settings]
> > > gtk-font-name=Arial 14
> > > gtk-font-color=
> > >
> > > to change the text color.
> > > I've made some unsuccessful attempts.
> > >
> > > I'll keep trying.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > GTI
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Em qui, 26 de jul de 2018 às 04:04, Adrien Monteleone <
> adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> escreveu:
> > > Look into using the GTK Inspector.
> > >
> > > See this: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GTK3
> > >
> > > and this: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK%2B/Inspector
> > >
> > > From 

Re: [GNC] Payroll add-on, module, software?

[R. Victor Klassen]

When I think of the requirements for payroll, it seems like it would require 
more than a “plug-in” that accepts parameters that vary by jurisdiction.  It 
would need to be more like a full programming language (well, not full - 
arbitrary loop controls not required - for language geeks, it would likely be 
regular, not even context-free).  Having written a (brittle) program to 
generate payroll for Ontario, Canada, for the special case of agricultural 
workers - and yes, it is that specific - I could imagine (if I had the time and 
inclination) writing a program that handled all the cases of payroll for any 
employment class in any province of Canada.  It would likely be several hundred 
lines of code, and refer to a database of probably a dozen and a half 
parameters per jurisdiction.

Any idea that that would be universal beyond Canada would be fantasy.  It might 
be easy, it might be hard to generalize to the US states.  But it would be 
quite a lot of work to verify it worked for all 50 states - which is to say the 
structure would work, without getting the parameters right.   And those are 
likely two of the most similar super-jurisdictions.  

It might eventually get easy to add jurisdictions.  But it might not. 

But my point is that I would expect to need to encode an algorithm per 
jurisdiction, not just a series of parameters (like tax brackets, basic 
exemptions).

> On Jul 26, 2018, at 11:28 AM, John Ralls  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2018, at 7:51 AM, John Ralls  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2018, at 6:01 AM, Maf. King  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, 26 July 2018 12:36:27 BST Mike or Penny Novack wrote:
>>> 
 
 Saying that no third party has expressed interest in writing something
 that would send a feed to gnucash ignores that gnucash does not have the
 capability of (properly) dealing with batch feeds.
 
 Michael
>>> 
>>> Why do the words "chicken and egg" pop into my head...?
>>> 
>>> IIRC, the original Business Features added by Derek were a module.  One 
>>> could 
>>> theoretically compile GC (1.6 or 1.8?) with a flag and the whole A/P & A/R 
>>> subsystem wouldn't exist.  But that may be the 20 years that John referred 
>>> to!
>> 
>> No, Derek isn’t a 3rd-party developer.  He's very much part of the core team 
>> and has been for most of those 20 years, though he’s shifted his 
>> contributions from coding to maintaining the infrastructure.
> 
> It does occur to me, though, that more broadly there has been third-party 
> interest, just not in writing GnuCash plugin modules. Doug Doughty’s reports, 
> for example, are a different form of plug-in. Sébastien de Menten’s piecash 
> is completely external to GnuCash, using SQLite to directly access GnuCash 
> databases is another example. Anyone who’s used the GnuCash API or Scheme and 
> Python bindings is a 3rd party extending GnuCash, even if they don’t publish 
> their work for others to use.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
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Re: [GNC] GNUcash 3.2 file open issue

[Adrien Monteleone]

As Mint is based on Ubuntu you *might* be facing the read-only usb bug. (which 
seems to keep reappearing after being allegedly fixed) What are the permissions 
on the parent folder for the mount point of the drive? And then the same for 
the gnucash folder and files? (I’m looking for either octals like ‘755’ or the 
string type like ‘wrxwrx-r-’)

And, I know this sounds terrible for Linux, but does a log-out/in or a system 
restart magically make the external drive read-write? (a strong indication of 
the aforementioned bug)

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 26, 2018, at 4:15 PM, Don Pawluk  wrote:
> 
> Gave it a try. Can open the file, but only as read-only and it will not save 
> back to the original location. Creates a temporary directory 
> \run\users\doc\1a36500 and puts files there. the files disappear when GNUcash 
> is closed. Have full access to read & write to the source directory when not 
> in GNUcash, but it does not seem to have write access.
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 12:02 PM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> Don,
> 
> Presumably you already checked if the drives are visible where you expect 
> using Caja?
> 
> If so, can you navigate to the usb/external and open the file from there?
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> > On Jul 26, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Don Pawluk  wrote:
> > 
> > Running on Linux Mint 18.3 Mate, open file will not provide access to usb
> > external drives or smb dirves. Will open on local PC drives. When bringing
> > up file system there is no media folder where I would normally expect to
> > find the usb external drives or smb drives.
> > 
> > Any help would be appreciated, Don
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Re: [GNC] Change text color

[Adrien Monteleone]

Personally, I wouldn’t mess with .ini methods. I’d opt for a custom css file. 
Then the task is to find out the nodes in the app you want to change and set a 
“color: “ declaration for that node. It’s possible that the node of the main 
window or the CoA tab alone could get a color: declaration to change the font 
color across the board. (if you gleaned from reading the css-overview, every UI 
element—windows, controls, et cetera all have ’nodes’ that you can style 
according to your tastes. This is analogous to HTML elements.)

This is where the inspector comes in. Otherwise, do a list search as I recall 
someone making this or similar changes in the last two or three months. Perhaps 
one of the nodes they talk about is the one you want.

I just cleaned out my 2.6.x installation in Ubuntu 16.04 and will get around to 
building 3.2 or 3.3 likely tomorrow and then fire up the inspector to start 
checking things out. I’d like to document in the wiki and on git ALL of the UI 
nodes with screenshots. If you can wait a day or two, I’ll make the first 
discovery the CoA text nodes and report them back here.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 26, 2018, at 4:20 PM, GT-I9070 H  wrote:
> 
> About the Inspector, my deductions are confirmed!  ;)
> 
> 
> The question marks led you to think that my doubt was in what went after the 
> equal sign of the expression "gtk-font-color = ".
> Thank you. Good clarifications about color names, but I have already studied 
> this on https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/chap-css-overview.html and 
> other sites and in this part there are no problems.
> 
> Well ... deductions are more of our abilities and for me there is a great 
> deal of success.
> 
> Then ... the expression "gtk-font-color = " is one more of my deductions, 
> was invented by me, I have never seen this written elsewhere and this is the 
> problem.
> What is the correct expression for .ini file and/or .css file?
> 
> I did several searches and testing and did not get anything that worked, 
> including with the expression: gtk-font-color=color name
> 
> Regards
> GTI
> 
> Em qui, 26 de jul de 2018 às 14:00, Adrien Monteleone 
>  escreveu:
> The inspector is for *nix and is part of GTK. I looked around to see if it 
> will run on windows (since GTK itself can run on windows) but have come up 
> dry so far. My own dabbling with the inspector is on the backburner, but I’ll 
> post my findings here and on the wiki when I get to it.
> 
> As for the color, you need a color name, a reference to a system color, or a 
> color code. (which may be hex or rgb, rgba) Color names are either the HTML 
> ‘websafe’ color names, or pre-defined gtk-color names.
> 
> See this page here and scroll down to the color section for exact 
> specifications: https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/chap-css-overview.html
> 
> So if you wanted text in steel blue, you could use either:
> 
> gtk-font-color=SteelBlue
> 
> or
> 
> gtk-font-color=#4682b4
> 
> assuming ‘gtk-font-color’ is the correct property.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jul 26, 2018, at 10:53 AM, GT-I9070 H  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi  Adrien,
> > Thanks for the reply.
> > 
> > I forgot to mention that I'm on Windows 10.
> > I had already looked here https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GTK3 and found 
> > nothing to change the text color of the accounts page.
> > 
> > The phrase "To enable it run in a terminal :" here  
> > https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK%2B/Inspector does not clarify which 
> > terminal and suggests that Inspector does not run on Windows.
> > Windows can't interpret these commands.
> > 
> > This
> > 
> > [Settings]
> > gtk-font-name=Arial 14
> > 
> > in my settings.ini file changes the font size.
> > 
> > I guess I need something like:
> > 
> > [Settings]
> > gtk-font-name=Arial 14
> > gtk-font-color=
> > 
> > to change the text color.
> > I've made some unsuccessful attempts.
> > 
> > I'll keep trying.
> > 
> > Regards
> > GTI
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Em qui, 26 de jul de 2018 às 04:04, Adrien Monteleone 
> >  escreveu:
> > Look into using the GTK Inspector.
> > 
> > See this: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GTK3
> > 
> > and this: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK%2B/Inspector
> > 
> > From that tool you should be able to find the selector(s) for text on that 
> > tab.
> > 
> > When you find out, please report back to help others looking to do the 
> > same. (myself included)
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> > 
> > > On Jul 21, 2018, at 10:07 PM, GT-I9070 H  wrote:
> > > 
> > > I use GnuCash v3.2 with Adwaita dark theme.
> > > 
> > > The white color of the text on the accounts page is conflicting with the
> > > colors of my accounts so I have to disable Preferences>Accounts>Show the
> > > color of the account as the background color.
> > > 
> > > I did some research and got a nice effect on the records pages and tabs,
> > > but I did not get anything that worked on the accounts page.
> > > 
> > > Is there anyway I can change the text color of the Accounts page?
> 

Re: [GNC] GNUcash 3.2 file open issue

[David Carlson]

I have a similar problem in Ubuntu 16.04 with release 2.6.17 from some
repo.  I can open that instance of GnuCash remotely from Windows 7 via SSH
and if Ubuntu is already running with the file server where the data
resides already mounted, everything works.

If I want to change to a different data file on the same server, I have a
problem, because the GnuCash file open dialog cannot seem to get to
run/user/1000/gvfs/smb-share:server=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx where it has already
opened the current data file.
If I sit at the Ubuntu user desktop I can navigate to that server and see
all the sub-folders and files and click on them to open them with GnuCash,
but my goal is to do it remotely with SSH.  I tried starting nautilus
remotely through SSH once but that hosed Windows so badly that I had to
re-boot Windows.

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Don,
>
> Presumably you already checked if the drives are visible where you expect
> using Caja?
>
> If so, can you navigate to the usb/external and open the file from there?
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> > On Jul 26, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Don Pawluk  wrote:
> >
> > Running on Linux Mint 18.3 Mate, open file will not provide access to usb
> > external drives or smb dirves. Will open on local PC drives. When
> bringing
> > up file system there is no media folder where I would normally expect to
> > find the usb external drives or smb drives.
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated, Don
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Re: [GNC] Change text color

[GT-I9070 H]

About the Inspector, my deductions are confirmed!  ;)


The question marks led you to think that my doubt was in what went after
the equal sign of the expression "gtk-font-color = ".
Thank you. Good clarifications about color names, but I have already
studied this on
https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/chap-css-overview.html and other
sites and in this part there are no problems.

Well ... deductions are more of our abilities and for me there is a great
deal of success.

Then ... the expression "gtk-font-color = " is one more of my
deductions, was invented by me, I have never seen this written elsewhere
and this is the problem.
What is the correct expression for .ini file and/or .css file?

I did several searches and testing and did not get anything that worked,
including with the expression: gtk-font-color=color name

Regards
GTI

Em qui, 26 de jul de 2018 às 14:00, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> escreveu:

> The inspector is for *nix and is part of GTK. I looked around to see if it
> will run on windows (since GTK itself can run on windows) but have come up
> dry so far. My own dabbling with the inspector is on the backburner, but
> I’ll post my findings here and on the wiki when I get to it.
>
> As for the color, you need a color name, a reference to a system color, or
> a color code. (which may be hex or rgb, rgba) Color names are either the
> HTML ‘websafe’ color names, or pre-defined gtk-color names.
>
> See this page here and scroll down to the color section for exact
> specifications:
> https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/chap-css-overview.html
>
> So if you wanted text in steel blue, you could use either:
>
> gtk-font-color=SteelBlue
>
> or
>
> gtk-font-color=#4682b4
>
> assuming ‘gtk-font-color’ is the correct property.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
>
>
> > On Jul 26, 2018, at 10:53 AM, GT-I9070 H  wrote:
> >
> > Hi  Adrien,
> > Thanks for the reply.
> >
> > I forgot to mention that I'm on Windows 10.
> > I had already looked here https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GTK3 and found
> nothing to change the text color of the accounts page.
> >
> > The phrase "To enable it run in a terminal :" here
> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK%2B/Inspector does not clarify which
> terminal and suggests that Inspector does not run on Windows.
> > Windows can't interpret these commands.
> >
> > This
> >
> > [Settings]
> > gtk-font-name=Arial 14
> >
> > in my settings.ini file changes the font size.
> >
> > I guess I need something like:
> >
> > [Settings]
> > gtk-font-name=Arial 14
> > gtk-font-color=
> >
> > to change the text color.
> > I've made some unsuccessful attempts.
> >
> > I'll keep trying.
> >
> > Regards
> > GTI
> >
> >
> >
> > Em qui, 26 de jul de 2018 às 04:04, Adrien Monteleone <
> adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> escreveu:
> > Look into using the GTK Inspector.
> >
> > See this: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GTK3
> >
> > and this: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK%2B/Inspector
> >
> > From that tool you should be able to find the selector(s) for text on
> that tab.
> >
> > When you find out, please report back to help others looking to do the
> same. (myself included)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> > > On Jul 21, 2018, at 10:07 PM, GT-I9070 H  wrote:
> > >
> > > I use GnuCash v3.2 with Adwaita dark theme.
> > >
> > > The white color of the text on the accounts page is conflicting with
> the
> > > colors of my accounts so I have to disable Preferences>Accounts>Show
> the
> > > color of the account as the background color.
> > >
> > > I did some research and got a nice effect on the records pages and
> tabs,
> > > but I did not get anything that worked on the accounts page.
> > >
> > > Is there anyway I can change the text color of the Accounts page?
> > >
> > > Thank you in advance
> > > GTI
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Re: [GNC] GNUcash 3.2 file open issue

[Don Pawluk]

Gave it a try. Can open the file, but only as read-only and it will not
save back to the original location. Creates a temporary directory
\run\users\doc\1a36500 and puts files there. the files disappear when
GNUcash is closed. Have full access to read & write to the source directory
when not in GNUcash, but it does not seem to have write access.

Thanks for the suggestion.

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 12:02 PM, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Don,
>
> Presumably you already checked if the drives are visible where you expect
> using Caja?
>
> If so, can you navigate to the usb/external and open the file from there?
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> > On Jul 26, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Don Pawluk  wrote:
> >
> > Running on Linux Mint 18.3 Mate, open file will not provide access to usb
> > external drives or smb dirves. Will open on local PC drives. When
> bringing
> > up file system there is no media folder where I would normally expect to
> > find the usb external drives or smb drives.
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated, Don
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Re: [GNC] Installing 3.2

[GT-I9070 H]

Glad to hear it!

Regards
GTI

Em qui, 26 de jul de 2018 às 14:57, Ray Moritz  escreveu:

> Thank you. It worked perfectly, just as you described; simple, easy, and
> virtually automatic.
>
>
>
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> *From:* GT-I9070 H [mailto:gti90...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 26, 2018 12:09 PM
> *To:* rmorit...@aol.com
> *Cc:* gnucash-user 
> *Subject:* Re: [GNC] Installing 3.2
>
>
>
> Hi  Ray Moritz,
>
>
>
> In my Windows 10 case I have always installed the newer versions over the
> older ones and the installer asks and automatically removes the previous
> version and installs the new one without problems.
>
>
>
> Regarding the data file, without problems, the only concern is to keep an
> updated backup.
>
>
>
> At the end of the installation, just open Gnucash and your data file
> should be visible without problems.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> GTI
>
>
>
> Em qui, 26 de jul de 2018 às 03:49, Ray Moritz via gnucash-user <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> escreveu:
>
> I'm running 3.0 on Windows 10. I'd like to move to 3.2. Do I have to
> uninstall 3.0 first? Import or convert the data file? Any other things that
> must be done or precautions?
> Thanks.
>
> Ray Moritz
> 96 Water Street
> Meredith, NH, 03253
> Home: 603-279-5193
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Re: [GNC] Logs.

[varda241--- via gnucash-user]

Will try 1 day. ThanksSent from my Verizon ASUS tablet

 Original Message 
From:Derek Atkins 
Sent:Thu, 26 Jul 2018 10:55:44 -0400
To:varda241 via gnucash-user 
Cc:David Carlson ,varda241 
Subject:Re: [GNC] Logs.

>Hi,
>
>varda241 via gnucash-user  writes:
>
>> 
>> It is not just one or two. There are logs created each time I open the
>> program
>
>Which "log" are you talking about?
>
>Are you talking about the transaction logs?
>Or are you talking about the runtime (trace file) logs?
>
>There is no way to turn off transaction logs -- all you can do is define
>how long they will be kept.  The shortest you can set that to is 1 day.
>If you set it to 0 it will keep them forever.
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Re: [GNC] GNUcash 3.2 file open issue

[Adrien Monteleone]

Don,

Presumably you already checked if the drives are visible where you expect using 
Caja?

If so, can you navigate to the usb/external and open the file from there?

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 26, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Don Pawluk  wrote:
> 
> Running on Linux Mint 18.3 Mate, open file will not provide access to usb
> external drives or smb dirves. Will open on local PC drives. When bringing
> up file system there is no media folder where I would normally expect to
> find the usb external drives or smb drives.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated, Don
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[GNC] GNUcash 3.2 file open issue

[Don Pawluk]

Running on Linux Mint 18.3 Mate, open file will not provide access to usb
external drives or smb dirves. Will open on local PC drives. When bringing
up file system there is no media folder where I would normally expect to
find the usb external drives or smb drives.

Any help would be appreciated, Don
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Re: [GNC] Change text color

[Adrien Monteleone]

The inspector is for *nix and is part of GTK. I looked around to see if it will 
run on windows (since GTK itself can run on windows) but have come up dry so 
far. My own dabbling with the inspector is on the backburner, but I’ll post my 
findings here and on the wiki when I get to it.

As for the color, you need a color name, a reference to a system color, or a 
color code. (which may be hex or rgb, rgba) Color names are either the HTML 
‘websafe’ color names, or pre-defined gtk-color names.

See this page here and scroll down to the color section for exact 
specifications: https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/chap-css-overview.html

So if you wanted text in steel blue, you could use either:

gtk-font-color=SteelBlue

or

gtk-font-color=#4682b4

assuming ‘gtk-font-color’ is the correct property.

Regards,
Adrien



> On Jul 26, 2018, at 10:53 AM, GT-I9070 H  wrote:
> 
> Hi  Adrien,
> Thanks for the reply.
> 
> I forgot to mention that I'm on Windows 10.
> I had already looked here https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GTK3 and found 
> nothing to change the text color of the accounts page.
> 
> The phrase "To enable it run in a terminal :" here  
> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK%2B/Inspector does not clarify which 
> terminal and suggests that Inspector does not run on Windows.
> Windows can't interpret these commands.
> 
> This
> 
> [Settings]
> gtk-font-name=Arial 14
> 
> in my settings.ini file changes the font size.
> 
> I guess I need something like:
> 
> [Settings]
> gtk-font-name=Arial 14
> gtk-font-color=
> 
> to change the text color.
> I've made some unsuccessful attempts.
> 
> I'll keep trying.
> 
> Regards
> GTI
> 
> 
> 
> Em qui, 26 de jul de 2018 às 04:04, Adrien Monteleone 
>  escreveu:
> Look into using the GTK Inspector.
> 
> See this: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GTK3
> 
> and this: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK%2B/Inspector
> 
> From that tool you should be able to find the selector(s) for text on that 
> tab.
> 
> When you find out, please report back to help others looking to do the same. 
> (myself included)
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> > On Jul 21, 2018, at 10:07 PM, GT-I9070 H  wrote:
> > 
> > I use GnuCash v3.2 with Adwaita dark theme.
> > 
> > The white color of the text on the accounts page is conflicting with the
> > colors of my accounts so I have to disable Preferences>Accounts>Show the
> > color of the account as the background color.
> > 
> > I did some research and got a nice effect on the records pages and tabs,
> > but I did not get anything that worked on the accounts page.
> > 
> > Is there anyway I can change the text color of the Accounts page?
> > 
> > Thank you in advance
> > GTI
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Re: [GNC] Nabble Delay? (was Re: Future Payments)

[Adrien Monteleone]

My Apologies David. I saw the ’Sent from: ...nabble.com...’ at the bottom of 
the message from you that I was reading and didn’t look closely enough. It was 
part of the quoted message from abd34, not part of your reply. (facepalm)

But you have well explained the message delay issue for me. I understand now.

I think I also need to slow down and read and ponder more thoroughly before 
hitting ’send.’ I seem to be displaying itchy finger syndrome.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 26, 2018, at 8:33 AM, David T.  wrote:
> 
> Huh???
> 
> Adrien, I do not use Nabble. Never have. Never will. I find everything about 
> Nabble annoying. 
> 
> One big issue with Nabble is that messages from people who use Nabble, but 
> are NOT subscribed to gnucash-user get delayed in appearing on gnucash-user, 
> since they must pass through the moderator before appearing at gnucash-user 
> (this is in no way to be construed as a criticism of either the moderation or 
> the moderator!). This delay means that responses sent via Nabble from Nabble 
> users that HAVE subscribed to gnucash-user come through before the messages 
> to which they are replying.
> 
> Because there *are* others using Nabble as their primary access point, I have 
> found that I have to double-check at lists.gnucash.org to see whether there 
> are other replies for a given message.
> 
> WRT to the thread below, when I look at lists.gnucash.org, I see that my 
> reply follows directly from adb34’s (terse) nabble posting, and directly 
> addresses their question. I was fully aware of your message, but the OP reply 
> suggested that they hoped to have some mechanism for tracking future expenses 
> in GnuCash without creating a transaction that appears on the books. My reply 
> was meant to expand on that point a little more directly than your original 
> reply, which was accurate but clearly hadn’t satisfied their particular itch.
> 
> David T.
> 
> On July 26, 2018 at 2:32:09 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
> (adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net) wrote:
> 
>> At first I suspected that since the OP was using Nabble, the communication 
>> problem was with that site or that the OP was seeing a cached page and thus 
>> not seeing the most recent replies.
>> 
>> But I see David, that you’re using Nabble as well, so either you have 
>> caching turned off, or you simply are long in the habit of force-reloading 
>> before replying. (or there is some other explanation, because your end of 
>> the conversation is never disjointed.) But this is at the least the 10th 
>> time in recent memory I’ve questioned whether others can see, or have seen, 
>> certain replies. Some threads progress as if certain posters are not getting 
>> all list messages. Maybe the page reload is JS feature of Nabble (like some 
>> news sites) and the user is blocking scripts or it uses a really short page 
>> TTL, and those users have their browsers set to ignore TTL and force cache 
>> instead.
>> 
>> OR, Nabble just has a bit of a delay and by chance some people reply before 
>> seeing other replies already sent out by Mailman.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>> 
>> > David T. sunfish62 on Sat Jul 14 11:40:56 EDT 2018
>> > 
>> > Not that I know of. You can either post date a real transaction, or create 
>> > a scheduled transaction, which will create a real transaction N days 
>> > before the scheduled date.
>> > David T. 
>> > 
>> >  
>> >  
>> > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:53, adb34 via gnucash-user<
>> > gnucash-user at gnucash.org
>> > > wrote: I guess there must be another way? 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
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Re: [GNC] Installing 3.2

[GT-I9070 H]

Hi  Ray Moritz,

In my Windows 10 case I have always installed the newer versions over the
older ones and the installer asks and automatically removes the previous
version and installs the new one without problems.

Regarding the data file, without problems, the only concern is to keep an
updated backup.

At the end of the installation, just open Gnucash and your data file should
be visible without problems.

Regards
GTI

Em qui, 26 de jul de 2018 às 03:49, Ray Moritz via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> escreveu:

> I'm running 3.0 on Windows 10. I'd like to move to 3.2. Do I have to
> uninstall 3.0 first? Import or convert the data file? Any other things that
> must be done or precautions?
> Thanks.
>
> Ray Moritz
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Re: [GNC] Change text color

[GT-I9070 H]

Hi  Adrien,
Thanks for the reply.

I forgot to mention that I'm on Windows 10.
I had already looked here https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GTK3 and found
nothing to change the text color of the accounts page.

The phrase "*To enable it run in a terminal* :" here
https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK%2B/Inspector does not clarify which
terminal and suggests that Inspector does not run on Windows.
Windows can't interpret these commands.

This

[Settings]
gtk-font-name=Arial 14

in my settings.ini file changes the font size.

I guess I need something like:

[Settings]
gtk-font-name=Arial 14
gtk-font-color=

to change the text color.
I've made some unsuccessful attempts.

I'll keep trying.

Regards
GTI



Em qui, 26 de jul de 2018 às 04:04, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> escreveu:

> Look into using the GTK Inspector.
>
> See this: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GTK3
>
> and this: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK%2B/Inspector
>
> From that tool you should be able to find the selector(s) for text on that
> tab.
>
> When you find out, please report back to help others looking to do the
> same. (myself included)
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> > On Jul 21, 2018, at 10:07 PM, GT-I9070 H  wrote:
> >
> > I use GnuCash v3.2 with Adwaita dark theme.
> >
> > The white color of the text on the accounts page is conflicting with the
> > colors of my accounts so I have to disable Preferences>Accounts>Show the
> > color of the account as the background color.
> >
> > I did some research and got a nice effect on the records pages and tabs,
> > but I did not get anything that worked on the accounts page.
> >
> > Is there anyway I can change the text color of the Accounts page?
> >
> > Thank you in advance
> > GTI
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Re: [GNC] Payroll add-on, module, software?

[John Ralls]

> On Jul 26, 2018, at 7:51 AM, John Ralls  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2018, at 6:01 AM, Maf. King  wrote:
>> 
>> On Thursday, 26 July 2018 12:36:27 BST Mike or Penny Novack wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Saying that no third party has expressed interest in writing something
>>> that would send a feed to gnucash ignores that gnucash does not have the
>>> capability of (properly) dealing with batch feeds.
>>> 
>>> Michael
>> 
>> Why do the words "chicken and egg" pop into my head...?
>> 
>> IIRC, the original Business Features added by Derek were a module.  One 
>> could 
>> theoretically compile GC (1.6 or 1.8?) with a flag and the whole A/P & A/R 
>> subsystem wouldn't exist.  But that may be the 20 years that John referred 
>> to!
> 
> No, Derek isn’t a 3rd-party developer.  He's very much part of the core team 
> and has been for most of those 20 years, though he’s shifted his 
> contributions from coding to maintaining the infrastructure.

It does occur to me, though, that more broadly there has been third-party 
interest, just not in writing GnuCash plugin modules. Doug Doughty’s reports, 
for example, are a different form of plug-in. Sébastien de Menten’s piecash is 
completely external to GnuCash, using SQLite to directly access GnuCash 
databases is another example. Anyone who’s used the GnuCash API or Scheme and 
Python bindings is a 3rd party extending GnuCash, even if they don’t publish 
their work for others to use.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Payroll add-on, module, software?

[John Ralls]

> On Jul 26, 2018, at 4:36 AM, Mike or Penny Novack 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 7/25/2018 8:20 PM, John Ralls wrote:
> 
>> GnuCash is actually very modular (perhaps a little too much, there are parts 
>> of it that are modules and probably shouldn't be). I wouldn't say it's easy, 
>> nothing in programming GnuCash seems to be easy, but it's possible for a 
>> third party developer to create a payroll module for their jurisdiction and 
>> for users in that jurisdiction to add it to their GnuCash installations. But 
>> in 20 years no third party developer has ever expressed any interest in 
>> creating a GnuCash plugin. Regards, John Ralls 
> 
> "Plug ins" (feeds) have TWO parts. Sender and receiver. As I understand the 
> issues (decades of experience in software design) there are TWO parts to a 
> "plug", can think of as male (sender) and female) receiver. It is the 
> receiver that needs to be responsible for input editing of feeds and THAT is 
> a good sized project all by itself << do not accept a feed that will not 
> work, how to report this to sender, etc. >>
> 
> Saying that no third party has expressed interest in writing something that 
> would send a feed to gnucash ignores that gnucash does not have the 
> capability of (properly) dealing with batch feeds.

“Plugins” are generally regarded as code modules that extend a program’s 
functionality. Maf’s already mentioned the business modules, though those have 
since been integrated into the engine. The various importers are plugins that 
implement what I think you mean by feeds: They take data in a different form 
and convert it to GnuCash data.

A payroll module could be implemented either way: As a plugin that implements 
all of the payroll functions required for a particular jurisdiction and stores 
that data directly in the GnuCash database (though that would also require 
modifying the GnuCash backend modules to properly store the data) or as a 
separate program that maintains all of the HR stuff and just sends the 
financial transactions to GnuCash. That could be accomplished either by writing 
a GnuCash plugin to implement a new data format, by having the program emit the 
transactions in one of the forms already supported by GnuCash (e.g. 
ofx-direct), or by using the GnuCash API in C, Python, or Scheme and accessing 
GnuCash’s backend directly.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Logs.

[Derek Atkins]

Hi,

varda241 via gnucash-user  writes:

> 
> It is not just one or two. There are logs created each time I open the
> program

Which "log" are you talking about?

Are you talking about the transaction logs?
Or are you talking about the runtime (trace file) logs?

There is no way to turn off transaction logs -- all you can do is define
how long they will be kept.  The shortest you can set that to is 1 day.
If you set it to 0 it will keep them forever.

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Re: [GNC] Payroll add-on, module, software?

[Derek Atkins]

"Maf. King"  writes:

> On Thursday, 26 July 2018 12:36:27 BST Mike or Penny Novack wrote:
>
>> 
>> Saying that no third party has expressed interest in writing something
>> that would send a feed to gnucash ignores that gnucash does not have the
>> capability of (properly) dealing with batch feeds.
>> 
>> Michael
>
> Why do the words "chicken and egg" pop into my head...?
>
> IIRC, the original Business Features added by Derek were a module.  One could 
> theoretically compile GC (1.6 or 1.8?) with a flag and the whole A/P & A/R 
> subsystem wouldn't exist.  But that may be the 20 years that John referred to!

Indeed, I spent a lot of time making the core gnucash engine modular
enough that the business features would plug-in to the code.  There were
only a FEW things that had to be hard-integrated in (specifically the AR
and AP account types).  But all the Customer/Vendor/Invoice/TaxTable and
associated reports were separate enough that you could build gnucash
without them (or at least package it into a sepeate gnucash-business
package).

I view the payroll somewhat differently.  It's more like the tax tables.
GnuCash implements some tax table rules but requires the user to
actually input the numbers.  I see payroll as similar (but MUCH more
complicated, which significantly more "rules" that would need to be
implemented).   See my previous email on the topic.

> Maf.

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Re: [GNC] Payroll add-on, module, software?

[John Ralls]

> On Jul 26, 2018, at 6:01 AM, Maf. King  wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, 26 July 2018 12:36:27 BST Mike or Penny Novack wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Saying that no third party has expressed interest in writing something
>> that would send a feed to gnucash ignores that gnucash does not have the
>> capability of (properly) dealing with batch feeds.
>> 
>> Michael
> 
> Why do the words "chicken and egg" pop into my head...?
> 
> IIRC, the original Business Features added by Derek were a module.  One could 
> theoretically compile GC (1.6 or 1.8?) with a flag and the whole A/P & A/R 
> subsystem wouldn't exist.  But that may be the 20 years that John referred to!

No, Derek isn’t a 3rd-party developer.  He's very much part of the core team 
and has been for most of those 20 years, though he’s shifted his contributions 
from coding to maintaining the infrastructure.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Payroll add-on, module, software?

[Derek Atkins]

Hi,

Mike or Penny Novack  writes:

> On 7/25/2018 2:06 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>> R. but the short answer is, no, there is no (and probably won’t
>> ever be) any payroll module or features. Unfortunately, the
>> jurisdictional requirement nightmare to comply with every nuance
>> across the entire planet is beyond the time and resources of the
>> small development team.
>>
>> However, GnuCash can handle the payroll accounting entries and even
>> print the checks. (with vouchers if you’re up for some finagling)
>>
>> You’ll have to calculate the deductions from gross separately in
>> some other software first though. The most common suggestion I’ve
>> seen is to setup a spreadsheet with the proper deduction rates and
>> you just fill in the gross.
>
> But that is ONLY if there is an insistence on monolithic design. What
> might not be beyond the capabilities of the development team is to
> introduce a facility for gnucash to accept FEEDS (from external
> components). Once that capability is present, it would be possible for
> OTHER teams to come into existence to create POS and Payroll systems
> << both of those have jurisdiction dependencies so might well be just
> for this or that jurisdiction >> that would interface with gnucash and
> other external facilities like "inventory" which would be more likely
> universal << not jurisdiction dependent >>
>
> However I've always been on the modular side in the great monolithic
> vs modular debate.

When I've considered payroll features for GnuCash, the way I've
envisioned it was that gnucash would implement a payroll framework, but
would require plug-ins (or local input) for all locale settings.  My
reasoning is that each locale has different requirements, so building in
all the different variations for each country/state/county/city would be
challenging.  HOWEVER, I feel it's easy enough to enumerate all the
different KINDS of rules and implement them in a framework -- and let
someone *else* maintain the specific databases that apply the rule
definitions to the local requirements.

One could even make a business of selling these locale plug-ins  :)
keeping them up to date every year, etc.  (E.g. a subscription service)

The first step, of course, would be to create the generalized rule
framework.  I claim NOT-IT!

> Michael D Novack

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Re: [GNC] Getting My Account To Trial Balance

[David Carlson]

For some reason I have not seen RTFM in this discussion yet.  I do not have
the manual for release 3.2 handy, but the chapter on investments in the
Tutorial for the 2.6.x series is fine reading and there is an entire
chapter on ways to track capital gains in GnuCash.

The Trial Balance report is not mentioned in that chapter, but it does
report unrealized gains as measured several different ways as the user
might prefer, and it shows the resulting imbalance when profits are not
converted from unrealized to realized .

Over the years there have been many discussions on this userlist about the
relative merits of various methods that can be used to track capital gains
in GnuCash, including Trading Accounts.  I do not think any one method is
best for everyone.

David C

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 7:21 AM, Stan Brown 
wrote:

> David T. wrote:
>
> > For those who *do* have such holdings, a balanced transaction will still
> fail
> > the trial balance if the gain or loss isn?t entered. In this instance,
> there
> > will be no entries in IMBALANCE-XXX, since each transaction balances.
> > Example: buy 10 shares of X for $100, using cash from your checking
> account
> > (credit/debit of $100). Then sell those shares for $150 (debit/credit of
> $150).
> > Both transaction balance?but where did that extra cash come from? Without
> > entering the gain of $50 as income, the Trial balance will fail.
>
> Is that really what happens?  I can't understand why, if it does. Yes, you
> end up with an extra $50 in cash, and you also end up with MINUS $50 in the
> investment: the original debit of $100, and the sale credit of $50, leaving
> a credit (minus) balance of $50. As far as I can see, the trial balance
> still balances.
>
> Of course, a negative balance in an investment account should raise a red
> flag when (if) yo notice it: "Oops, I forgot to enter the gain as a
> transaction." But I don't see how it should make the trial balance fail.
>
> BTW, instead of a separate transaction, I might record the gain as a split:
> Assets:Cash $150 debit
> Assets:Investment $100 credit
> Income:Gain on investments $50 credit
>
> Is there any disadvantage to doing that, versus two transactions?
> Assets:Investment $50 debit
> Income:Gain on Investments $50 credit
> Assets:Cash $150 debit
> Assets::Investment $150 credit
>
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Re: [GNC] Installing 3.2

[David Carlson]

Use the more conservative procedure of removing the GnuCash program through
the Windows control panel.  There has been some hiccups in the development
cycle that makes this the best way to do it during this transitional period.

David C

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 5:36 AM, Dave H  wrote:

> Not necessary on Windows, at least it never has been for me :-) Just start
> the install of 3.2, it should detect the prior GnuCash version and offer to
> uninstall it automatically as part of the install process before installing
> 3.2 for you.
>
> Cheers Dave H..
>
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 at 18:29, davidr  wrote:
>
> > I've just recently installed 3.2.
> >
> > Uninstall can be done via the normal .Windows Un-install procedure from
> > Control Panel:Programs:Uninstall - you will be prompted to do this by
> > the install routine.  Just minimise the install window and run
> > uninstall, then return to the install procedure.
> >
> > None of your data files or preferences will be altered - the uninstall
> > will run normally.
> >
> >
> >
> > David Robertson.
> >
> > david@westnet.com.au
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 26/07/2018 16:07:41, "Adrien Monteleone"
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >Ray,
> > >
> > >The data file is still compatible as-is. (moving backwards to an old
> > >version ≤ 2.6.19 isn’t possible though)
> > >
> > >I’ll let someone else chime in on uninstallation though as I’ve only
> > >used GC on *nix which generally doesn’t care unless it’s built from
> > >source. (which really is a cleanup issue, not a compatibility issue - I
> > >*can* run two different versions on my Mac that are pre-built)
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >Adrien
> > >
> > >
> > >>On Jul 25, 2018, at 3:55 PM, Ray Moritz via gnucash-user
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>I'm running 3.0 on Windows 10. I'd like to move to 3.2. Do I have to
> > >>uninstall 3.0 first? Import or convert the data file? Any other things
> > >>that
> > >>must be done or precautions?
> > >>Thanks.
> > >>
> > >>Ray Moritz
> > >>96 Water Street
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> > >>
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Re: [GNC] Nabble Delay? (was Re: Future Payments)

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Huh???

Adrien, I do not use Nabble. Never have. Never will. I find everything about 
Nabble annoying. 

One big issue with Nabble is that messages from people who use Nabble, but are 
NOT subscribed to gnucash-user get delayed in appearing on gnucash-user, since 
they must pass through the moderator before appearing at gnucash-user (this is 
in no way to be construed as a criticism of either the moderation or the 
moderator!). This delay means that responses sent via Nabble from Nabble users 
that HAVE subscribed to gnucash-user come through before the messages to which 
they are replying.

Because there *are* others using Nabble as their primary access point, I have 
found that I have to double-check at lists.gnucash.org to see whether there are 
other replies for a given message.

WRT to the thread below, when I look at lists.gnucash.org, I see that my reply 
follows directly from adb34’s (terse) nabble posting, and directly addresses 
their question. I was fully aware of your message, but the OP reply suggested 
that they hoped to have some mechanism for tracking future expenses in GnuCash 
without creating a transaction that appears on the books. My reply was meant to 
expand on that point a little more directly than your original reply, which was 
accurate but clearly hadn’t satisfied their particular itch.

David T.

On July 26, 2018 at 2:32:09 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
(adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net) wrote:

At first I suspected that since the OP was using Nabble, the communication 
problem was with that site or that the OP was seeing a cached page and thus not 
seeing the most recent replies.

But I see David, that you’re using Nabble as well, so either you have caching 
turned off, or you simply are long in the habit of force-reloading before 
replying. (or there is some other explanation, because your end of the 
conversation is never disjointed.) But this is at the least the 10th time in 
recent memory I’ve questioned whether others can see, or have seen, certain 
replies. Some threads progress as if certain posters are not getting all list 
messages. Maybe the page reload is JS feature of Nabble (like some news sites) 
and the user is blocking scripts or it uses a really short page TTL, and those 
users have their browsers set to ignore TTL and force cache instead.

OR, Nabble just has a bit of a delay and by chance some people reply before 
seeing other replies already sent out by Mailman.

Regards,
Adrien

> David T. sunfish62 on Sat Jul 14 11:40:56 EDT 2018
>  
> Not that I know of. You can either post date a real transaction, or create a 
> scheduled transaction, which will create a real transaction N days before the 
> scheduled date.
> David T.  
>  
>  
>  
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:53, adb34 via gnucash-user<
> gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> > wrote: I guess there must be another way?  
>  
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Re: [GNC] Payroll add-on, module, software?

[Maf. King]

On Thursday, 26 July 2018 12:36:27 BST Mike or Penny Novack wrote:

> 
> Saying that no third party has expressed interest in writing something
> that would send a feed to gnucash ignores that gnucash does not have the
> capability of (properly) dealing with batch feeds.
> 
> Michael

Why do the words "chicken and egg" pop into my head...?

IIRC, the original Business Features added by Derek were a module.  One could 
theoretically compile GC (1.6 or 1.8?) with a flag and the whole A/P & A/R 
subsystem wouldn't exist.  But that may be the 20 years that John referred to!

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Re: [GNC] Getting My Account To Trial Balance

[Stan Brown]

David T. wrote:

> For those who *do* have such holdings, a balanced transaction will still fail
> the trial balance if the gain or loss isn?t entered. In this instance, there
> will be no entries in IMBALANCE-XXX, since each transaction balances.
> Example: buy 10 shares of X for $100, using cash from your checking account
> (credit/debit of $100). Then sell those shares for $150 (debit/credit of 
> $150).
> Both transaction balance?but where did that extra cash come from? Without
> entering the gain of $50 as income, the Trial balance will fail. 

Is that really what happens?  I can't understand why, if it does. Yes, you end 
up with an extra $50 in cash, and you also end up with MINUS $50 in the 
investment: the original debit of $100, and the sale credit of $50, leaving a 
credit (minus) balance of $50. As far as I can see, the trial balance still 
balances.

Of course, a negative balance in an investment account should raise a red flag 
when (if) yo notice it: "Oops, I forgot to enter the gain as a transaction." 
But I don't see how it should make the trial balance fail.

BTW, instead of a separate transaction, I might record the gain as a split:
Assets:Cash $150 debit
Assets:Investment $100 credit
Income:Gain on investments $50 credit

Is there any disadvantage to doing that, versus two transactions?
Assets:Investment $50 debit
Income:Gain on Investments $50 credit
Assets:Cash $150 debit 
Assets::Investment $150 credit

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Re: [GNC] Payroll add-on, module, software?

[Mike or Penny Novack]

On 7/25/2018 8:20 PM, John Ralls wrote:

GnuCash is actually very modular (perhaps a little too much, there are 
parts of it that are modules and probably shouldn't be). I wouldn't 
say it's easy, nothing in programming GnuCash seems to be easy, but 
it's possible for a third party developer to create a payroll module 
for their jurisdiction and for users in that jurisdiction to add it to 
their GnuCash installations. But in 20 years no third party developer 
has ever expressed any interest in creating a GnuCash plugin. Regards, 
John Ralls 


"Plug ins" (feeds) have TWO parts. Sender and receiver. As I understand 
the issues (decades of experience in software design) there are TWO 
parts to a "plug", can think of as male (sender) and female) receiver. 
It is the receiver that needs to be responsible for input editing of 
feeds and THAT is a good sized project all by itself << do not accept a 
feed that will not work, how to report this to sender, etc. >>


Saying that no third party has expressed interest in writing something 
that would send a feed to gnucash ignores that gnucash does not have the 
capability of (properly) dealing with batch feeds.


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Re: [GNC] Installing 3.2

[Dave H]

Not necessary on Windows, at least it never has been for me :-) Just start
the install of 3.2, it should detect the prior GnuCash version and offer to
uninstall it automatically as part of the install process before installing
3.2 for you.

Cheers Dave H..

On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 at 18:29, davidr  wrote:

> I've just recently installed 3.2.
>
> Uninstall can be done via the normal .Windows Un-install procedure from
> Control Panel:Programs:Uninstall - you will be prompted to do this by
> the install routine.  Just minimise the install window and run
> uninstall, then return to the install procedure.
>
> None of your data files or preferences will be altered - the uninstall
> will run normally.
>
>
>
> David Robertson.
>
> david@westnet.com.au
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 26/07/2018 16:07:41, "Adrien Monteleone"
>  wrote:
>
> >Ray,
> >
> >The data file is still compatible as-is. (moving backwards to an old
> >version ≤ 2.6.19 isn’t possible though)
> >
> >I’ll let someone else chime in on uninstallation though as I’ve only
> >used GC on *nix which generally doesn’t care unless it’s built from
> >source. (which really is a cleanup issue, not a compatibility issue - I
> >*can* run two different versions on my Mac that are pre-built)
> >
> >Regards,
> >Adrien
> >
> >
> >>On Jul 25, 2018, at 3:55 PM, Ray Moritz via gnucash-user
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>I'm running 3.0 on Windows 10. I'd like to move to 3.2. Do I have to
> >>uninstall 3.0 first? Import or convert the data file? Any other things
> >>that
> >>must be done or precautions?
> >>Thanks.
> >>
> >>Ray Moritz
> >>96 Water Street
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> >>Cell : 603-998-4485
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Re: [GNC] Installing 3.2

[davidr]

I've just recently installed 3.2.

Uninstall can be done via the normal .Windows Un-install procedure from 
Control Panel:Programs:Uninstall - you will be prompted to do this by 
the install routine.  Just minimise the install window and run 
uninstall, then return to the install procedure.


None of your data files or preferences will be altered - the uninstall 
will run normally.




David Robertson.

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On 26/07/2018 16:07:41, "Adrien Monteleone" 
 wrote:



Ray,

The data file is still compatible as-is. (moving backwards to an old 
version ≤ 2.6.19 isn’t possible though)


I’ll let someone else chime in on uninstallation though as I’ve only 
used GC on *nix which generally doesn’t care unless it’s built from 
source. (which really is a cleanup issue, not a compatibility issue - I 
*can* run two different versions on my Mac that are pre-built)


Regards,
Adrien


On Jul 25, 2018, at 3:55 PM, Ray Moritz via gnucash-user 
 wrote:


I'm running 3.0 on Windows 10. I'd like to move to 3.2. Do I have to
uninstall 3.0 first? Import or convert the data file? Any other things 
that

must be done or precautions?
Thanks.

Ray Moritz
96 Water Street
Meredith, NH, 03253
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Cell : 603-998-4485




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Re: [GNC] Bug in design of commodity sell transactions? (was Re: Getting My Account To Trial Balance)

[David Carlson]

Adrien,

In the second transaction you received  $150 for the stock which you had
paid  $100 for.  The extra $50 is income which came from the changed value
of the stock.  The sale would not reduce the value of the stock to zero
unless the profit is taken from unrealized gain.  That unrealized gain
resides in the security account and GnuCash uses a special type of notation
in the sale transaction to extract it to profit. As David T stated there is
more than one way to record that. Trading accounts is a method that tries
to do do it automatically without input from the user, but it does not work
correctly for certain cases, so some traders still calculate profit
separately and use the alternative notation to extract it from the stock
account.

What appears to be a bug is actually the awkward process of extracting the
correct profit.  The Trial Balance Report is, among other things, actually
a tool to test for correct extraction of the profit.

David C

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 11:54 PM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> I suppose this is for another thread and certainly not on point for the
> OP’s question, but I don’t see those two transactions as balanced.
>
> The first one is. You credit $100 from Assets:Cash and debit $100 to
> Assets:Stocks (or whatever it’s designated as)
>
> The second one is not balanced. You’re debiting $150 to Cash, but you only
> have $100 in Assets:Stocks to credit. It doesn’t magically grow to $150.
> Sure, the sell price reflects this, but the difference as you note is
> Income. That sell transaction can’t be balanced without a credit to Income
> as part of it. If GnuCash allows this, I’d say that’s a bug. (not a
> feature) Perhaps the implementation of the feature was designed that way,
> but then the bug is not in the code but in the design of the feature. I
> find it strange GC would auto-enter a split for Imbalance-xxx or Orphan-xxx
> in any normal register transaction, but a sell transaction doesn’t do the
> same if you don’t book a gain or loss as one of the splits.
>
> I’m sure I’m not understanding how this works. (I do account for multiple
> currencies as on-off acquisitions, but I don’t trade them or any
> securities) It can’t be that easy to create an unbalanced sell transaction
> is it?
>
> Do the price revaluations not auto-generate splits balanced to Unrealized
> Loss/Gain accounts? Or at least store the info in order to generate that
> Loss/Gain balancing split on the sale?
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> > On Jul 25, 2018, at 8:50 PM, David T.  wrote:
> >
> > David,
> >
> > I imagine that the number of GnuCash users who only have accounts in a
> single currency (i.e., without any investments in stocks, mutual funds, or
> other commodities) is probably pretty small.
> >
> > For those who *do* have such holdings, a balanced transaction will still
> fail the trial balance if the gain or loss isn’t entered. In this instance,
> there will be no entries in IMBALANCE-XXX, since each transaction balances.
> Example: buy 10 shares of X for $100, using cash from your checking account
> (credit/debit of $100). Then sell those shares for $150 (debit/credit of
> $150). Both transaction balance—but where did that extra cash come from?
> Without entering the gain of $50 as income, the Trial balance will fail.
> You can enter that gain manually, or use trading accounts or the scrub lots
> feature to help manage this.
> >
> > David T.
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Re: [GNC] Getting My Account To Trial Balance

[Adrien Monteleone]

David,

I must admit, I knew about all of those cases, and my brain didn’t even 
register them. (I’m on a much simpler basis now, so generally don’t bother, or 
I just do the entries as I go.)

It’s been nearly 20 years since I dealt with a 13 period year, but for sure, 
that would be a good use case. (almost a necessity for sane P comparisons in 
the restaurant biz)

Of course, accruals, depreciation, yearly/quarterly expenses and such call for 
adjusting entries.

I don’t know what I was thinking, but thanks for the well articulated list. 
Sorry to take your time, but others will certainly benefit.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 25, 2018, at 11:42 PM, DaveC49  wrote:
> 
> Adrien,
> 
> The main function of the trial balance is to ensure the accounts are
> numerically correct before any adjustments to the accounts are made before
> producing the final financial statements. It should be just a straight
> listing of the balance (credit or debit) of all accounts in the chart of
> accounts and the sum of all credits should equal the sum of all debits. 
> 
> This is usually the starting point for adjusting the accounts.  Closing the
> books is not just simply a transfer of the income and expenses for the
> accounting period to equity. Prior to this, the accounts may require
> specific adjustments which reflect the nature of the business and the
> particularly the taxation rules which apply to it. Even though GnuCash is a
> perpetual system it will require these adjustments to be made. This is also
> the function of what was a 13 month financial year in some accounting
> systems, in which the 13th virtual month was used to record and process
> these adjustments without affecting the data for the 12 actual months,  but
> was included in the current accounting period.
> 
> Adjustments are normally made for things which affect more than a single
> accounting period like prepaid expenses, depreciation of non-current assets,
> accrued expenses, accrued revenues and unearned revenues and the differences
> between accounts recorded on a cash (when the money is actually received or
> paid) or recorded on an accrual basis (when the income is earned (e.g. when
> a report is produced in a consulting business) or expenditure is incurred in
> an accounting sense in accordance with the matching principle) so that the
> correct income and expenses associated with earning it are recorded in the
> correct accounting period, mainly for taxation complliance. 
> 
> Not so important in personal accounting and usually many small businesses
> below a specified income/turnover level where cash accounting is allowed to
> be used for taxtaion purposes, but certainly significant for larger
> businesses which must use accrual accounting under taxation legislation. 
> 
> An example can be in something like manufacturing where you may purchase
> materials is one period (i.e. outlay the money) but you actually incur the
> expenditure in another accounting period (for example when you make the
> product) but the associated revenue may even be produced in a third or
> subsequent accounting period in which you sell the product.
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Installing 3.2

[Adrien Monteleone]

Ray,

The data file is still compatible as-is. (moving backwards to an old version ≤ 
2.6.19 isn’t possible though)

I’ll let someone else chime in on uninstallation though as I’ve only used GC on 
*nix which generally doesn’t care unless it’s built from source. (which really 
is a cleanup issue, not a compatibility issue - I *can* run two different 
versions on my Mac that are pre-built)

Regards,
Adrien


> On Jul 25, 2018, at 3:55 PM, Ray Moritz via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm running 3.0 on Windows 10. I'd like to move to 3.2. Do I have to
> uninstall 3.0 first? Import or convert the data file? Any other things that
> must be done or precautions?
> Thanks.
> 
> Ray Moritz
> 96 Water Street
> Meredith, NH, 03253
> Home: 603-279-5193
> Cell : 603-998-4485
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Change text color

[Adrien Monteleone]

Look into using the GTK Inspector.

See this: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GTK3

and this: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK%2B/Inspector

>From that tool you should be able to find the selector(s) for text on that tab.

When you find out, please report back to help others looking to do the same. 
(myself included)

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 21, 2018, at 10:07 PM, GT-I9070 H  wrote:
> 
> I use GnuCash v3.2 with Adwaita dark theme.
> 
> The white color of the text on the accounts page is conflicting with the
> colors of my accounts so I have to disable Preferences>Accounts>Show the
> color of the account as the background color.
> 
> I did some research and got a nice effect on the records pages and tabs,
> but I did not get anything that worked on the accounts page.
> 
> Is there anyway I can change the text color of the Accounts page?
> 
> Thank you in advance
> GTI
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Re: [GNC] Getting My Account To Trial Balance

[DaveC49]

Adrien,

The main function of the trial balance is to ensure the accounts are
numerically correct before any adjustments to the accounts are made before
producing the final financial statements. It should be just a straight
listing of the balance (credit or debit) of all accounts in the chart of
accounts and the sum of all credits should equal the sum of all debits. 

This is usually the starting point for adjusting the accounts.  Closing the
books is not just simply a transfer of the income and expenses for the
accounting period to equity. Prior to this, the accounts may require
specific adjustments which reflect the nature of the business and the
particularly the taxation rules which apply to it. Even though GnuCash is a
perpetual system it will require these adjustments to be made. This is also
the function of what was a 13 month financial year in some accounting
systems, in which the 13th virtual month was used to record and process
these adjustments without affecting the data for the 12 actual months,  but
was included in the current accounting period.

Adjustments are normally made for things which affect more than a single
accounting period like prepaid expenses, depreciation of non-current assets,
accrued expenses, accrued revenues and unearned revenues and the differences
between accounts recorded on a cash (when the money is actually received or
paid) or recorded on an accrual basis (when the income is earned (e.g. when
a report is produced in a consulting business) or expenditure is incurred in
an accounting sense in accordance with the matching principle) so that the
correct income and expenses associated with earning it are recorded in the
correct accounting period, mainly for taxation complliance. 

Not so important in personal accounting and usually many small businesses
below a specified income/turnover level where cash accounting is allowed to
be used for taxtaion purposes, but certainly significant for larger
businesses which must use accrual accounting under taxation legislation. 

An example can be in something like manufacturing where you may purchase
materials is one period (i.e. outlay the money) but you actually incur the
expenditure in another accounting period (for example when you make the
product) but the associated revenue may even be produced in a third or
subsequent accounting period in which you sell the product.

David





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[GNC] Installing 3.2

[Ray Moritz via gnucash-user]

I'm running 3.0 on Windows 10. I'd like to move to 3.2. Do I have to
uninstall 3.0 first? Import or convert the data file? Any other things that
must be done or precautions?
Thanks.

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Re: [GNC] GETTING MY ACCOUNT TO TRIAL BALANCE

[H M MacDonald OBE]

Hi David/Richard

The error message is as follows:

Report error

An error occurred while running the report.

It doesn’t give any clue as to what’s wrong.

Thanks.

Shug

From:  D 
Date:  Wednesday, 25 July 2018 at 20:33
To:  David Carlson , Hugh MacDonald OBE

Cc:  Gnucash Users 
Subject:  Re: [GNC] GETTING MY ACCOUNT TO TRIAL BALANCE

Shug,

I would ask you to tell us what error message you have received, since I
don't usually see any error messages when I run this report. (I do have
trouble getting this report to balance, however).

However, David has made useful advice regarding tracking transaction gain or
loss; I would add that in Gnucash, a commodity is a broadly defined concept,
and covers anything you have that is not counted in your default currency.

In other words, stocks, mutual funds, as well as accounts denominated in
another currency will all fall into this category, and any time you have a
transaction involving thread accounts, you will need to account for gain or
loss hidden in the conversion.

David T

On July 25, 2018, at 1:52 PM, David Carlson 
wrote:

I assume that you mean the debits do not equal the credits rather than that
GnuCash failed to generate the report.

This is commonly the result of selling a commodity for a different price
than what was originally paid without correctly accounting for the profit
or loss.  One technique to close in on a transaction contributing to the
difference is to include a shorter time period in the report until the
values do balance.  Once the date is determined, look for a commodity
transaction that is not balanced by a profit or loss.

David C

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:20 PM, H Millar MacDonald OBE <
spahonsec...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi
> 
>  I¹ve just become involved with GnuCash 3.2 and set up my first accounts for
>  our club.   It all looks okay except  and will provide a profit and loss
>  report on Income and Expenditure  which is good.  However, when I try to
>  get
>  a Trial Balance I get an error message which according to Google seems to
>  be
>  quite common.  I don¹t know where to start to fix this.  Can anyone offer
>  any advice please?  I am an absolute novice at all of this so please be
>  patient with my request.
> 
>  Many thanks.
> 
>  Shug
> 
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Re: [GNC] survey: unifying the appearance in different options dialogs

[Adrien Monteleone]

Di Mang,

Looking at the Gnome HIG (since we’re dealing with gtk) their recommendation is 
to NOT scroll tabs but rather use a Side Bar List instead or re-arrange the 
content:

"Do not use too many tabs. If you cannot see all the tabs without scrolling or 
splitting them into multiple rows, you are probably using too many and should 
use a list control instead.” 
(https://developer.gnome.org/hig/stable/tabs.html.en)

I see the main window being an exception because those are dynamic tabs that 
are part of the primary window, similar to a web browser. (though I’ve been 
using left-side tabs for registers/reports and I tend to prefer this) The HIG 
also specify to avoid using dynamic tabs for other purposes like controls.

So rather than set a limit where most preference dialogs will use top tabs and 
then switch to a Side Bar List, rather, the guidelines would suggest to either 
leave them split as-is. So if unified presentation is the goal, you’d rather 
have to change all dialogs to Side Bar Lists instead of Tabs. This would 
satisfy even the 800x600 or large fonts users as vertical scrolling is more 
natural and horizontal scrolling is generally discouraged in both interface and 
web design.

Looking over *some* of the report options dialogs, it seems there is room for 
consolidation.

Certainly, in almost any report, the contents of ‘General’ can be incorporated 
into ‘Display’. At worst, the date range/setting can be left out, and in that 
case, perhaps the better UI element would be for the report to have a 
toolbar/header bar with date selectors as Action/View buttons. (it *can* be 
it’s own primary window. It doesn’t have to open in a tab, and can still have a 
parent>child relation, but even stay open if desired after closing the parent - 
probably useful in many cases as this would allow placement on other 
workspaces, monitors, etc.) I can currently choose to open reports in a new 
window, but their toolbar is identical to the parent, which isn’t necessarily 
useful as-is. I would suspect the date selectors something to be commonly 
changed when running a report, and this would make them very prominent. (and 
de-clutter the now consolidated ‘Display/General’ tab)

To be sure, not all ‘General’ tabs are the same, and it seems some of them have 
become a catch-all. Then some reports have special tabs for only a few controls 
but those separate tabs are generally related. For example, the P report has 
a tab for Commodities (as do many reports) and another for Entries (dealing 
with closing entries). It seems in both cases, the controls deal with 
calculation controls. Rather than two tabs here, there should be one ‘generic’ 
tab called ‘Calculations’ or something better. The content of the tab can use 
divider lines to separate the controls into groups if needed. I’m now going to 
do for the individual controls, what you did for the tabs and map them all out 
and where they presently are organized and perhaps instead should be.

It seems so far (research pending) that at the least report options are needed 
for three things:

What data will be included (the accounts tab)
How that data will be manipulated/calculated (the new ‘calculations’ tab, but 
perhaps even non-existent for some basic reports)
How the results will be displayed (the display tab)

On that note, date selectors determine the data to be included, so perhaps they 
instead belong on the Accounts tab (renamed to ‘data’ or ‘info’ perhaps?) or 
just put them on a toolbar for the report.

Perhaps there are more classes of controls, but if not, that means each report 
needs only three tabs.

Some options, like commodity calculations perhaps should be in general GnuCash 
preferences under reports. (which is pretty sparse currently) And really, there 
are some options (like much of the Display tab) which are common to all 
reports. Those might be better moved there as well. (so you get a general 
unified presentation style, but you can manipulate within each report display 
options specific to *that* specific report or instance of report) I could be 
wrong, but my guess would be if someone doesn’t want zero values in one report, 
they don’t want them in any report, and the same for accounts with no balance, 
or where parent accounts are placeholders only. (another spot that shouldn’t 
even be a preference, if it’s a placeholder, it will never have a balance other 
than zero and the balance should always be suppressed visually)

I’ve always thought the report options to be a kitchen-sink type approach and 
some reports I honestly can’t make heads or tails of what changing some 
particular setting is going to accomplish. (the visual hierarchy on some tabs 
is atrocious if just non-existent) To be clear, non of this is a knock on the 
hard work the devs have put in. But from a user perspective, this has always 
been a sore spot for me and judging by questions on the list related to ‘how do 
I accomplish this or that in a report’ or ‘is there 

[GNC] Nabble Delay? (was Re: Future Payments)

[Adrien Monteleone]

At first I suspected that since the OP was using Nabble, the communication 
problem was with that site or that the OP was seeing a cached page and thus not 
seeing the most recent replies.

But I see David, that you’re using Nabble as well, so either you have caching 
turned off, or you simply are long in the habit of force-reloading before 
replying. (or there is some other explanation, because your end of the 
conversation is never disjointed.) But this is at the least the 10th time in 
recent memory I’ve questioned whether others can see, or have seen, certain 
replies. Some threads progress as if certain posters are not getting all list 
messages. Maybe the page reload is JS feature of Nabble (like some news sites) 
and the user is blocking scripts or it uses a really short page TTL, and those 
users have their browsers set to ignore TTL and force cache instead.

OR, Nabble just has a bit of a delay and by chance some people reply before 
seeing other replies already sent out by Mailman.

Regards,
Adrien

> David T. sunfish62 on Sat Jul 14 11:40:56 EDT 2018
> 
> Not that I know of. You can either post date a real transaction, or create a 
> scheduled transaction, which will create a real transaction N days before the 
> scheduled date.
> David T. 
> 
>  
>  
>   On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:53, adb34 via gnucash-user<
> gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> > wrote:   I guess there must be another way? 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Cannot change preferences

[Adrien Monteleone]

Ken,

Sorry, I saw this when you originally posted it (twice) but wasn’t able to 
reply at the time and I see you haven’t heard from anyone yet.

Although seemingly unhelpful, the error message is telling you how to fix the 
problem.

Apparently, after changing the separator to a backslash “\” (which is also a 
file path separator in Windows, not a safe choice!) you named about 50 accounts 
to include the old path separator “:” as part of the actual name. If you 
re-institute the “:” as path separator, GnuCash is going to freak out because 
it will appear you have a bunch of new accounts that don’t exist yet. (and 
likely attempt at some point to get you to create them as you tab/enter through 
transactions, if not just totally blow up or freeze as it seems to have done.)

The solution is to FIRST, change all of your accounts names to NOT use “:” in 
the name itself, perhaps substituting hyphen “-“ or something reasonably 
similar. (Commas are unsafe choices also due to CSV import/export issues with 
various software - you don’t want to deal with comma delimited files if fields 
contain commas themselves unless specially handled)

Once you’ve eliminated all instances of “:” in your account names, then the 
error/warning won’t appear and you can change the account separator back to it.

As long as you stick to a single OS, you can choose to use either \, or / 
accordingly for separators, but commas are usually bad news. (Windows uses 
backslashes for file paths and *nix uses backslashes) Pipes and periods even 
can be an issue, though more rarely so. (Pipes redirect output and periods are 
usually extension separators, but this only an issue in Windows) 

That really limits things a bit. But you can likely safely use hyphen “-“, 
underscore”_”, semi-colon “;”, tilde “~”, middle dot “•”, small middle dot “·”, 
double left arrow “«”, double right arrow “»”, equivalent “≈”, diamond “◊”, 
en-dash “–“, and em-dash “—“. (those last two are sometimes indistinguishable 
from each other or even from hyphen in some fonts)

On that note, while you’re replacing your copious use of “:” as part of account 
names, consider hyphens “-“ and underscores “_” as replacements. Some coding 
conventions use underscores to separate words—e.g., “camel_case” instead of 
"camelCase", and hyphens to indicated sub-levels or more specific 
information—e.g., “Rent-Apartment_A” and "Rent-Apartment_B".

I too experimented with other separators, but found the colon to be a well 
thought out default as it is easy to quickly step through the account hierarchy 
one letter and colon at a time. Other choices are farther away and harder to 
tap easily. (some of the above suggestions require 3rd & 4th level modifier 
keys) Also, muscle memory is a consideration.

Regards,
Adrien

> Ken Heard on Tue Jul 10 23:54:56 EDT 2018
> 
> I have been using GnuCash since 2009.  Twice every year I need to 
> transfer my account file from one desktop to another.  I never had any 
> trouble opening GnuCash after each such transfer until now.
> 
> Early on in my use of GnuCash I changed the accounts separator from the 
> colon (:) to the back slash (\).  Since that change I use the colon in 
> quite a few account names, currently numbering about fifty..
> 
> When I tried to open my account after the most recent transfer, a window 
> appeared saying the following.
> 
>   The separator character ":" is used in one or more
>   account names. [Actually about 50 accts.]
> 
>   This will result in unexpected behavour.  Either change
>  the account names or choose another separator character.
> 
> I would like to do one or the other, but the GnuCash Preferences window 
> is locked.  I can open it on the monitor but cannot make changes to 
> *any* of the preferences.
> 
> The version of GnuCash which I want now to use GnuCash is 2.6.15, the 
> latest one available with Debian Stretch.  I am not sure what version 
> was the previous computer, except to say that it was likely the latest 
> version available with Debian Wheezy.
> 
> I would appreciate receiving information on how to fix this problem. I 
> did try to find the location of the file containing the selected 
> preferences but was unsuccessful.
> 
> Regards, Ken


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[GNC] Imbalance in currency transaction

[Chris Velevitch]

I purchased 270 in foreign currency costing 221.62 in local currency, but
I'm getting an imbalance equal to the difference between those two amounts
(48.38) even though I did get the dialog to enter the exchange rate when I
selected the foreign currency account to deposit the foreign currency.

How can I fix this? Is there something I've overlooked? I've ever had this
happen before with foreign currency transactions.


Mac OSX: 10.11.6, GnuCash 3.2+ (2018-06-24)
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