Re: [GNC] Having issues with gsettings, dconf, gsettings-dconf-backend and GnuCash

[Bryan B.]

Thank you very much, everyone, for the helpful replies.

I went the nuclear route and reinstalled from the ground up. If there was
an issue in a registry-type aspect of my operating system, I didn't want to
wait around for more software to crash while I experimented with a VM.
Wasn't worth the risk.

I suspect that the core issue was that I installed Ubuntu 22.10 and did a
lot of meddling to get my OS up to 23.10.

On the new install, I ended up installing using flatpak. This version is
not having the same issue with gsettings.

There is one issue outside of GnuCash, but I think it's an Ubuntu issue,
and I don't think it's as serious, so I'll worry about it later.

On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 10:41 AM Stephen M. Butler  wrote:

> I am on Ubuntu 23.04.  My settings allow for the most recent version and
> I have not seen 23.10 as an optional update to apply.
>
> But, on 23.04 I have had not problems building the most recent versions
> of GnuCash from the GIT repository.  A number of releases back a script
> was made available that showed all the dependencies for Ubuntu.  I just
> grepped it and these are the sudo apt statements:
>
> sudo apt install build-essential
> sudo apt install cmake
> sudo apt install ninja-build
> sudo apt install libglib2.0 libglib2.0-dev
> sudo apt install libxml2 libxml++2.6-dev libxml2-utils
> sudo apt install libxslt1.1 libxslt1-dev
> sudo apt install libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev
> sudo apt install gtk+3.0 libgtk-3-dev
> sudo apt install zlib1g zlib1g-dev
> sudo apt install guile-2.0 guile-2.0-dev
> sudo apt install swig
> sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev
> sudo apt-get install libsecret-1-0 libsecret-1-0-dev
> sudo apt-get install aqbanking-tools libaqbanking-dev
> sudo apt-get install gwenhywfar-tools libgwenhywfar60 libgwenhywfar60-dev
> sudo apt-get install ktoblzcheck libktoblzcheck1-dev
> sudo apt-get install libofx-dev
> sudo apt-get install xsltproc
> sudo apt-get install libdbi1 libdbi-dev libdbd-pgsql libdbd-mysql
> libdbd-sqlite3
> sudo apt-get install python3-pytest
> sudo apt install googletest
>
> Now, some of those might have been updated  with the various Ubuntu
> updates over the years.
>
> --Steve
>
> On 10/22/23 09:28, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> > Considering the timing of the GnuCash release and the Ubuntu 23.10
> > release, your build issues are likely due to dependency hell. I've had
> > a few frustrating build sessions where GnuCash needed an ever so
> > slightly older version of a library that wasn't in the new repos. (and
> > this cascaded to some of their dependencies as well) Your build errors
> > should be informative enough to figure out if that is the case here.
> > (note, when I had that problem it was also on a non-LTS .10 release)
> > Sometimes, this is resolvable with a bit of effort. Sometimes, it
> > isn't worth the effort.
> >
> > I see you switched from Pop_OS! 22.04 to Ubuntu 23.10. Any reason not
> > to stick with Ubuntu 22.04? Maybe try that in a VM and see if you get
> > the same build issues. (you could just keep that VM for GnuCash until
> > you resolve the build problems in the host)
> >
> > There is always flatpak. Of course, be aware of a few workarounds for
> > printing and file locations for settings. These should all be
> > documented on the GnuCash wiki.
> >
> > Otherwise, some VM testing would be my approach, though considering
> > how you've described your OS transition and upgrades, as well as other
> > OS issues, I'd consider the nuclear option if I wasn't too far
> > invested in the current installation. A clean install has saved me
> > weeks of continued frustration more than once.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> > On 10/21/23 10:43 AM, Bryan B. wrote:
> >> That is a good idea.
> >>
> >> To give some context, without explaining everything: One week ago, I was
> >> running the Ubuntu-based Pop_OS! 22.04. On that system, I had GnuCash
> >> built
> >> using the "Building on Ubuntu" gnucash-wiki 22.04 script. I did not have
> >> that issue at that time, nor the other GnuCash issue that I encountered
> >> here:
> >>
> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2023-October/046795.html
> >>
> >>
> >> I was having other issues with Pop_OS! (network issues that were
> >> needed on
> >> my previous job), and at the recommendation of my previous employer I
> >> decided to switch to mainstream Ubuntu.
> >>
> >> When I switched to Ubuntu 23.10, this issue appeared, along with the
> >> issue
> >> with gsettings.
> >>
> >> Another issue that is worth mentioning, in case this happens to anyone
> >> else, is that I got unlucky with the .iso file I used to install
> >> mainstream
> >> Ubuntu. I somehow Googled my way into creating an .iso based off of
> >> 22.10,
> >> which is a version of Ubuntu that is no longer supported. I installed on
> >> 22.10, then discovered my error. At that point, I upgraded to 23.10.
> >>
> >> I also should mention another thing I just remembered. Whenever I open
> >> dconf, even if I 

Re: [GNC] GnuCash_user: rounding errors and significant digits

[Jim DeLaHunt]

Bruce:

Again, I think you are holding fast to assertions which I think are 
mistaken, and which lead you to misunderstanding. Let me highlight a few 
in your most recent message.


On 2023-10-25 17:00, Bruce McCoy via gnucash-user wrote:

...In the following, we assume "value/price produces an amount representable in the 
share commodity's minimum fraction."

We also assume that an "exactly precise" number has the same precision as the 
smallest currency unit (SCU).


I think these are assumptions are faulty. The will lead you to 
misunderstandings in a few paragraphs.


It is not always the case that value/price, where value price are number 
in the smallest currency unit, produce an amount representable in the 
share commodity's minimum fraction.  For instance, suppose you want to 
buy shares of Berkshire Hathaway at market price (171.10 USD just now) 
and you have 1000.00 USD. Your unhelpful broker only lets you buy whole 
shares, so the share commodity's minimum fraction is 1.0:


   value = 1000.00 USD (in smallest currency unit)
   price = 171.10 USD (in smallest currency unit)
   value/price = 1/1711 shares precisely =~ 5.8 shares (approximately)
   value/price is an amount, approx 5.8, which is not representable in
   the share commodity's minimum fraction.

I believe that your definition of "exactly precise" is different from 
the plain meaning of the words. The plain meaning is that an "exactly 
precise" representation of a number is a representation which exactly 
conveys the true numerical value. Thus, decimal number "0.3" is an 
exactly precise representation of the rational number 3/10, but decimal 
number "0." is not an exactly precise representation of the rational 
number 1/3.




...GnuCash treats the smallest currency unit as an exactly precise number[1].
[1] ex. GnuCash Tutorial and Concepts Guide, Figure 9.14. The Price Database 
With The List Of All Known Commodities


I don't think that Figure 9.14 justifies your claim about GnuCash 
behaviour. Your words mean, "GnuCash treats the smallest currency unit" 
as a number with "the same precision as the smallest currency unit 
(SCU)." It is a tautology.


Maybe you see that the AMZN stock Price entries in that Figure as being 
of the form "35.99" and assume that GnuCash is limited to only 
represent prices to two decimal digits of US dollars. But it may well be 
that GnuCash would happily store a price with a greater precision, e.g. 
"3,567.523217", or rational numbers not representable in six digits 
after the decimal, e.g. 99123457/356752 . Figure 9.14 does not show 
you either way. (Narrator: in fact, GnuCash would.)




...
On Sat, Oct 7 at 1:25 PM David Carlson wrote:
     >According to my hp 49g+ scientific graphing calculator,
     >15,000.00 divided by 1,377.41 yields 10.8900037026.
     >I defy anyone to pay that amount per share in U.S. currency.

David Carlson follows the GnuCash example in recognizing that the SCUs are 
exactly precise (Who pays $0.037026?) and only the number-of-shares figure 
can be an approximation.


I believe you are missing David Carlson's point. I believe he was saying 
that the stock broker's price of "10.89" was clearly not the precise 
price paid, so the _price_ was an approximation.




On Sat, Oct 7 at 4:06 PM John Ralls wrote:
     >Jeff did it wrong...because the price per share
     >he paid wasn't 10.89, it was 137741/150.

$10.89 is an exactly precise figure. 150/137741 is a very close 
approximation.


I think this is where your definition of "precise figure" is leading you 
astray. The transaction amount and the number of shares reported by the 
broker had numerical values which exactly matched the broker's 
representations. "$10.89" is the broker's approximate representation of 
the actual numerical value, which is amount/quantity, or 150/137741.




     >It's simpler to enter the amount and value
     >than to enter an exact price.

Dividing the value-of-the-transaction by the amount-of-shares involved yields 
the price-per-share. I am sure you have a good reason for designing GnuCash 
with the convention of calculating price-per-share from the other two 
variables. Could you share how you arrived at this decision?


I think people arrive at this decision because it gives correct results. 
Conversely, treating an approximate representation of a price as exact, 
leads to misunderstanding and to incorrect results.




According to GnuCash SCUs are exactly precise, so the number-of-shares is the 
only number which can be less than exactly precise due to rounding, for 
example, by institutions. Investors, as clearly stated by both Ken and Stan, 
accept the rounded number-of-shares values since they are the number-of-shares 
allotted to them in the transaction.


Your premise is faulty; GnuCash does not insist that smallest currency 
units are "exactly precise" according to your definition.  Your 
conclusion, "the number-of-shares is the only number which can 

Re: [GNC] Assigning payment inside a split

[Adrien Monteleone]

This may be a terminology issue, or a misunderstanding on my part, but 
if you have say, more than one split from Checking and you want to apply 
one of them as a payment, GnuCash will do so, but it will ask you which 
one you want to assign.


The other side of this coin is that you can't pay more than one bill to 
different vendors with a single transaction using multiple splits, but 
that doesn't happen in the real world anyway. (you can certainly have 
one payment split that is linked to multiple bills of the same vendor 
though)


Regards,
Adrien

On 10/25/23 7:18 AM, Geert Janssens wrote:

I believe it's not possible to assign specific splits to as a payment to a
bill. You can only assign complete transactions and from that point on GnuCash
will manage the Accounts Payable part of that transaction. That does
effectively mean that if your payment transaction has more than one split in
an AP account, they may be reset by GnuCash.

That's proper to how the business features in gnucash work - anything in AP or
AR is managed by code.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash_user: rounding errors and significant digits

[Bruce McCoy via gnucash-user]

 Hi Everyone,

On Sun, Oct 8 at 5:31 AM sunfish62 wrote:
    >I'm not sure whose problem is being solved by 
    >this drawn out discussion. 
    >
    >⁣David T.

David, you are right. It is a drawn out discussion. 

On Sat Oct 7 17:27:29 EDT 2023 Maf. King wrote: 
    >going around in circles.

Exactly. Aren't there at least two perspectives?
Observer: 
 Bruce, you are going around in circles. 
 You do not seem to be making much, if any, progress.
Participant:
 I circle around, trying to see it from every angle.
 I do not seem to be making much, if any, progress.

Why are we doing this? We help ourselves, if we make GnuCash easy to understand 
and use. People unfamiliar with GnuCash conventions may find notes on how to 
understand GnuCash helpful. 


Assumptions
===
On Sat, Oct 7 at 4:06 PM John Ralls wrote: 
    > GnuCash has no support for cost accounting


On 2023-09-09 15:36:40 EDT, John Ralls wrote:
    >So the claim value = price * shares is logically 
    >correct but depends on price * shares yielding 
`    >a legal value in value's currency; the reverse 
    >is true as well: shares = value/price is true 
    >only if value/price produces an amount representable 
    >in the share commodity's minimum fraction.

In the following, we assume "value/price produces an amount representable in 
the share commodity's minimum fraction."

We also assume that an "exactly precise" number has the same precision as the 
smallest currency unit (SCU).


Considerations
==
On Sat Oct 7 15:48:25 EDT 2023 John Ralls wrote:
    >GnuCash does **NOT** round prices to two decimals. 
    >Prices are always calculated to the full numeric 
    >precision of 1/2^64. Amounts and values are what 
    >get rounded to the respective commodity/currency's 
    >smallest unit.

John, GnuCash does an excellent job calculating its results. The discussion 
here is mostly meant to be one in which we generate an explanatory note in the 
documentation to help newcomers to understand how to think about the way 
GnuCash may differ from what is familiar to them. Your rational number and your 
full numeric precision calculations are outstanding. You have done yeoman work 
on this project, as for as I am concerned.

GnuCash treats the smallest currency unit as an exactly precise number[1].

On Sat, Oct 7 at 1:25 PM David Carlson wrote: 
    >According to my hp 49g+ scientific graphing calculator, 
    >15,000.00 divided by 1,377.41 yields 10.8900037026.  
    >I defy anyone to pay that amount per share in U.S. currency.

David Carlson follows the GnuCash example in recognizing that the SCUs are 
exactly precise (Who pays $0.037026?) and only the number-of-shares figure 
can be an approximation.

On Sat, Oct 7 at 4:06 PM John Ralls wrote: 
    >Jeff did it wrong...because the price per share 
    >he paid wasn't 10.89, it was 137741/150.

$10.89 is an exactly precise figure. 150/137741 is a very close 
approximation.

    >It's simpler to enter the amount and value 
    >than to enter an exact price.

Dividing the value-of-the-transaction by the amount-of-shares involved yields 
the price-per-share. I am sure you have a good reason for designing GnuCash 
with the convention of calculating price-per-share from the other two 
variables. Could you share how you arrived at this decision?

On 2023-09-09 15:19:53 EDT, Ken Farley wrote:
    >The key equation is AMOUNT = PRICE * SHARES...
    >What I really care about when I get my statements 
    >from investment institutions, or trade 
    >notifications, is the number of SHARES involved
    >and the total cost to me.

On 2023-09-09 15:41:46 EDT, Stan Brown wrote:
    >It is _mathematically_ not possible to have three 
    >decimal numbers A B and C, each rounded to a 
    >desired number of decimal places, fulfill the 
    >equation A * B = C exactly... Number of shares 
    >and total amount must be exact to the generally 
    >accepted numbers of decimal places, or people's 
    >books won't balance.

According to GnuCash SCUs are exactly precise, so the number-of-shares is the 
only number which can be less than exactly precise due to rounding, for 
example, by institutions. Investors, as clearly stated by both Ken and Stan, 
accept the rounded number-of-shares values since they are the number-of-shares 
allotted to them in the transaction.

Evaluation
==
In stock transactions, 
Value-of-the-transaction =  Price-per-share * Number-of-shares.

Financial firms treat SCUs as exactly precise figures, and the 
number-of-shares, when required, as an approximation. GnuCash does treat the 
value-of-the-transaction SCU as an exactly precise figure. 

In its internal calculations, GnuCash differs from financial firms in its 
treatment of the number-of-shares and the price-per-share figures.

First, GnuCash treats the number-of-shares figure, despite its possibly having 
a rounding error, as though it were exactly precise. Second, GnuCash treats 

Re: [GNC] New Balance entry

[David H]

David,

He means after you click OK on the initial Reconcile popup there is a
further popup on which the first icon is "Add a new balancing entry to the
account" - this is active only if your Ending Balance is not equal to the
Reconciled Balance.  if you click this icon it adds a txn for the
difference which you then must update as one side of the txn is the account
being reconciled and the other is the Orphan account.

David Carlson's explanation is correct, personally I would never use it as
I would always want to know why my account didn't reconcile :-)

Cheers David H.

On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 at 05:42, David Cousens 
wrote:

> Finbar,
>
> Not sure what you mean by new balance entry. The reconcile dialogue comes
> up
> requesting the following:
>
> Statement date - enter the closing date on the statement from the bank. It
> will
> supply a closing date based on the statement date at which the last
> reconciliation was doneand usually adds one month.
>
> The Starting Balance is calculated and displayed - This is the total
> balance of
> all splits in the account which have already been reconciled. This should
> be
> equal to the Opening Balance indicated on the statement from the bank. If
> not it
> indicates that a previous reconciliation is incorrect eithr in your books
> or the
> banks statement - rare but it can happen
>
> The Ending Balance This requires you to enter the value of the closing
> balance
> from the bank statement.
>
> Some banks add their interest payment (or interest charge for a credit card
> account) at the end of the statement and it may not have been enetered
> into your
> books. If this is the case use the "Enter Interest Payment" button to add a
> transaction to include the interest payment  without halting the
> reconciliation.
>
> Then press the "OK" button to continue.
>
> David Cousens
> On Wed, 2023-10-25 at 15:21 +0200, Mahon Finbar via gnucash-user wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > After my previous experiences on here, I am almost afraid to ask a new
> > question, but, here goes.
> >
> > When Reconciling, what exactly is the effect of introducing a "new
> > balance entry" as is available as the first option on the bar.
> >
> > There is nothing under the help that I could identify.
> >
> > Thanks, Finbar
> >
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Re: [GNC] I need basic help

[Murugan Muruganandam]

A typical transaction will look like this

When you use your card to buy

Dr: Expenses: Clothes : $20  Cr: Liability: CreditCard: $20
Dr: Expenses: Cable: $100Cr: LIability: CreditCard:$100

When you get your statement and when you pay your credit card it will be

Dr: Liability: Credit Card: $120
Cr: Asset:Bank:CheckingAccount: $120


hope this helps


Saludos Cordiales


Murugan


From: gnucash-user 
 on behalf of 
Michael or Penny Novack 
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 5:37 PM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] I need basic help

Back when I paid it, I just made a payment out of my bank
checking account straight to the CC company. Now, how do I assign that
transaction? It’s not a CC expense but it is an expense of some
kind—just from a different place. My CC statement will go into my
Liability Account, right? So does my payment to the CC company come out
of Assets and into Liability? And, if so, how do I assign it on the CC
Account transaction line?
> Thanks All,
> Edwin

No, it is NOT an expense of any kind.  The expenses were when you used
your credit card to buy things or pay for services. Forget that nothing
left your pocket. You incurred a debt at THOSE moments. Not when you get
around to making a payment on your credit card bill.

When you do make a payment, you debit the CC balance by that amount and
credit the bank account the check was written against. It's not an
expense, even though money left your bank account but a transfer
(reduced your debt). In other words, the transaction had no effect on
your net worth*..

Michael D Novack

* This is another case where "history" might (or might not) make it
clearer. If we go back many centuries, there were no accounts of type
income of expense. The transactions (representing income of expense)
were immediately written against equity. In other words, they
immediately affected equity wile a transaction paying against a debt
would not affect equity.

But it was hard to report on total income or expenses for a time
period, had to search for those transactions. Many hundreds of years ago
somebody got the clever idea of having TEMPORARY accounts of type
"income" and "expense" --- they are fundamental type equity but until
closed into equity provided information about income and expense since
the last time they were closed. That closing process produced things
like the P report.

With software like gnucash, most of us never close the books as
gnucash can produce the reports "pretend we did" (as if closed at the
start of the time period and closed again at the end)


Michael D Novack

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Re: [GNC] I need basic help

[Michael or Penny Novack]

Back when I paid it, I just made a payment out of my bank 
checking account straight to the CC company. Now, how do I assign that 
transaction? It’s not a CC expense but it is an expense of some 
kind—just from a different place. My CC statement will go into my 
Liability Account, right? So does my payment to the CC company come out 
of Assets and into Liability? And, if so, how do I assign it on the CC 
Account transaction line?

Thanks All,
Edwin


No, it is NOT an expense of any kind.  The expenses were when you used 
your credit card to buy things or pay for services. Forget that nothing 
left your pocket. You incurred a debt at THOSE moments. Not when you get 
around to making a payment on your credit card bill.


When you do make a payment, you debit the CC balance by that amount and 
credit the bank account the check was written against. It's not an 
expense, even though money left your bank account but a transfer 
(reduced your debt). In other words, the transaction had no effect on 
your net worth*..


Michael D Novack

* This is another case where "history" might (or might not) make it 
clearer. If we go back many centuries, there were no accounts of type 
income of expense. The transactions (representing income of expense) 
were immediately written against equity. In other words, they 
immediately affected equity wile a transaction paying against a debt 
would not affect equity.


   But it was hard to report on total income or expenses for a time 
period, had to search for those transactions. Many hundreds of years ago 
somebody got the clever idea of having TEMPORARY accounts of type 
"income" and "expense" --- they are fundamental type equity but until 
closed into equity provided information about income and expense since 
the last time they were closed. That closing process produced things 
like the P report.


   With software like gnucash, most of us never close the books as 
gnucash can produce the reports "pretend we did" (as if closed at the 
start of the time period and closed again at the end)



Michael D Novack

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Re: [GNC] New Balance entry

[David Carlson]

What is missing from comments so far is, if I understand correctly, the
intended purpose of that button is for when a user wants to correct the
reconciled balance of the account for that date without trying to find and
correct previous errors, this will create a transaction to complete the
reconciliation for that purpose.

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023, 2:42 PM David Cousens 
wrote:

> Finbar,
>
> Not sure what you mean by new balance entry. The reconcile dialogue comes
> up
> requesting the following:
>
> Statement date - enter the closing date on the statement from the bank. It
> will
> supply a closing date based on the statement date at which the last
> reconciliation was doneand usually adds one month.
>
> The Starting Balance is calculated and displayed - This is the total
> balance of
> all splits in the account which have already been reconciled. This should
> be
> equal to the Opening Balance indicated on the statement from the bank. If
> not it
> indicates that a previous reconciliation is incorrect eithr in your books
> or the
> banks statement - rare but it can happen
>
> The Ending Balance This requires you to enter the value of the closing
> balance
> from the bank statement.
>
> Some banks add their interest payment (or interest charge for a credit card
> account) at the end of the statement and it may not have been enetered
> into your
> books. If this is the case use the "Enter Interest Payment" button to add a
> transaction to include the interest payment  without halting the
> reconciliation.
>
> Then press the "OK" button to continue.
>
> David Cousens
> On Wed, 2023-10-25 at 15:21 +0200, Mahon Finbar via gnucash-user wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > After my previous experiences on here, I am almost afraid to ask a new
> > question, but, here goes.
> >
> > When Reconciling, what exactly is the effect of introducing a "new
> > balance entry" as is available as the first option on the bar.
> >
> > There is nothing under the help that I could identify.
> >
> > Thanks, Finbar
> >
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Re: [GNC] I need basic help

[David Cousens]

While I agree with Liz's point with regard to different learning modalities, I
still think it is a good practice to at least skim the available documentation
and particularly read at least the Basics section of the Guide before diving
in. 

The underlying concepts to accounting and even the debit/credit nomenclature is
not all that difficult, just a few  rules and basic  arithmetic and having that
straight initially makes the rest a lot easier.

The main advantage of doing so is it gives you some vocabulary to use to ask
questions with. I must confess I generally don't with programs myself, however I
have both a programming background and in the case of GnuCash an accounting
background.

David Cousens

On Wed, 2023-10-25 at 08:35 +1100, Liz wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 09:12:57 -0700
> "Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)"  wrote:
> 
> > It strikes me that you're trying to use GnuCash without first reading
> > the documentation. That's like trying to run before you can walk.
> > Others have already made the suggestion, but maybe you missed their
> > messages.
> 
> People learn in different ways.
> So Edwin learns by doing and asking when reaching a difficulty.
> 
> 
> Liz
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Re: [GNC] I need basic help

[sunfish62--- via gnucash-user]

While the generic subject line of this thread could cover practically any 
subject (and seemingly has), I'd like to recommend that users get in the habit 
of creating new threads for new topics.

⁣David T. ​

On Oct 25, 2023, 8:23 PM, at 8:23 PM, Fred Tydeman  
wrote:
>At top left of screen, click on Accounts.
>Then under Account Name, click on Expenses
>Then click on New at top of screen.
>that will get you a popup to create a new account.
>
>On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 10:02 AM Edwin Booth via gnucash-user <
>gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
>
>> How do I add a new Expense Account? I’d like to assign transactions
>in my
>> CC (liability) account to a few additional expense accounts. GnuCash
>said I
>> could “add more later” but I cannot seem to do it right. Do I have to
>> assign that account to some different top-level account?
>>
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Re: [GNC] New Balance entry

[David Cousens]

Finbar,

Not sure what you mean by new balance entry. The reconcile dialogue comes up
requesting the following:

Statement date - enter the closing date on the statement from the bank. It will
supply a closing date based on the statement date at which the last
reconciliation was doneand usually adds one month.

The Starting Balance is calculated and displayed - This is the total balance of
all splits in the account which have already been reconciled. This should be
equal to the Opening Balance indicated on the statement from the bank. If not it
indicates that a previous reconciliation is incorrect eithr in your books or the
banks statement - rare but it can happen

The Ending Balance This requires you to enter the value of the closing balance
from the bank statement.

Some banks add their interest payment (or interest charge for a credit card
account) at the end of the statement and it may not have been enetered into your
books. If this is the case use the "Enter Interest Payment" button to add a
transaction to include the interest payment  without halting the reconciliation.

Then press the "OK" button to continue. 

David Cousens
On Wed, 2023-10-25 at 15:21 +0200, Mahon Finbar via gnucash-user wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> After my previous experiences on here, I am almost afraid to ask a new 
> question, but, here goes.
> 
> When Reconciling, what exactly is the effect of introducing a "new 
> balance entry" as is available as the first option on the bar.
> 
> There is nothing under the help that I could identify.
> 
> Thanks, Finbar
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Re: [GNC] I need basic help

[Gyle McCollam]

In the credit card account, you reference the bank account in the transfer 
column and debit the credit card by the amount of the payment.  That debits the 
credit card and credits the bank account.  If you are in the bank account, you 
credit the bank balance and reference the cc in the transfer account.  If you 
use the reconciliation process, in the transfer window after you click finish, 
it will automatically show the cc account and you just have to select the bank 
or other account to credit.


Thank You,

Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

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From: gnucash-user  on 
behalf of Edwin Booth via gnucash-user 
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 1:56 PM
To: Steve Butler 
Cc: GnuCash Users 
Subject: Re: [GNC] I need basic help

Okay. Figured out how to add a new expense account. I’m on a MacBook and am 
figuring that out as well.
I’ve been entering credit card transactions from my newly downloaded CC 
statement. Expenses are being assigned to various expense accounts. I’m now at 
a credit card payment line. Back when I paid it, I just made a payment out of 
my bank checking account straight to the CC company. Now, how do I assign that 
transaction? It’s not a CC expense but it is an expense of some kind—just from 
a different place. My CC statement will go into my Liability Account, right? So 
does my payment to the CC company come out of Assets and into Liability? And, 
if so, how do I assign it on the CC Account transaction line?
Thanks All,
Edwin


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 12:01 PM, Edwin Booth  
wrote:

How do I add a new Expense Account? I’d like to assign transactions in my CC 
(liability) account to a few additional expense accounts. GnuCash said I could 
“add more later” but I cannot seem to do it right. Do I have to assign that 
account to some different top-level account?


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, October 19, 2023, 12:24 PM, Edwin Booth via gnucash-user 
 wrote:

Thank you. I’ll try it that way.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, October 19, 2023, 11:26 AM, Steve Butler  wrote:



On Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 23:04 Edwin Booth  wrote:

Steve,
Thanks for getting back to me!
It seems that I need to first delete my newly downloaded file from GnuCash and 
re-import it but first assign all the

Yes, remove those transitions or restore to a pre-import backup.
transactions to various accounts. I have
This is done during the import process just after you open the file.  You 
should see a list of the transactions that will be loaded.  Pick each one and 
be sure it has the correct destination account.  That's how the import process 
is taught.
 gone through the process (I think) of creating a hierarchy of accounts (though 
I will surely want to add more expense accounts later).

Okay, I have deleted the AMEX credit card OFX account that I imported into 
GnuCash and have gone back to my Mac Downloads file. How do I now assign all 
those transactions to their proper accounts without first importing this OFX 
file into GnuCash? Doesn’t it have to be in GnuCash before it can even know 
what accounts are available?
It’s late now, so I’ll wait for an answer to this first question before going 
on.
But for some reason I saw this email in my Yahoo mail app rather than in my 
Gmail app. Please respond to this by sending out my Gmail account. 
elybee...@gnail.com.
Thanks,
Edwin


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 18, 2023, 2:05 PM, Stephen M. Butler  
wrote:

Edwin,

I routinely download my CC transactions using OFX.  I think you missed a
very important step.

It sounds like you did tie this OFX file to your CC Liability Account.
That will be remembered for all future imports from this CC.

It also sounds like you may not have set up all the various expense
accounts (Groceries, Fuel, Hardware, etc).  Those need to be setup as
accounts under the Expense top-level account.

Then, during the import process, after you pick the file but before
doing the actual import step you will see a list of all the
transactions.  During this first import none of them will show the
corresponding expense account.  You will need to click on each line and
indicate to which account that expense should be assigned.  In some
cases you will have a payment so up.  For the first time you will need
to assign this to your Asset/Checking account.

This process of assigning accounts to each transaction will teach the
import process how to automatically assign them in the future. As the
importer learns each transaction (based on the description), it will
begin to automatically assign the proper accounts. Occasionally you may
need to correct the account assignment or it may see a new description
and not know leaving it assigned to the Invalid Account.  This is your
clue to click on that line (perhaps double click) and make the
appropriate assignment.

Hopefully this 

Re: [GNC] I need basic help

[Maf. King]

On Wednesday, 25 October 2023 18:56:11 BST Edwin Booth via gnucash-user wrote:
> Back when I paid it, I just made a payment out of my bank checking account
> straight to the CC company. Now, how do I assign that transaction? It’s not
> a CC expense but it is an expense of some kind—just from a different place.

Edwin.

Just assign it to the Bank Account in GC that you paid from in real life

I understand what you mean when you say it is an expense.  It is not, really, 
it is not. 

This is another concept you need to wrap your head around.  The expense 
happens when you buy the food (whatever) on the CCard.  You then have a 
liability to the CCard Co.  You clear that liability by transferring some of 
your asset (in the bank checking account) to cancel the liability.

Hope you follow me.
Maf.



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Re: [GNC] I need basic help

[Edwin Booth via gnucash-user]

Okay. Figured out how to add a new expense account. I’m on a MacBook and am 
figuring that out as well. 
I’ve been entering credit card transactions from my newly downloaded CC 
statement. Expenses are being assigned to various expense accounts. I’m now at 
a credit card payment line. Back when I paid it, I just made a payment out of 
my bank checking account straight to the CC company. Now, how do I assign that 
transaction? It’s not a CC expense but it is an expense of some kind—just from 
a different place. My CC statement will go into my Liability Account, right? So 
does my payment to the CC company come out of Assets and into Liability? And, 
if so, how do I assign it on the CC Account transaction line?
Thanks All,
Edwin


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 12:01 PM, Edwin Booth  
wrote:

How do I add a new Expense Account? I’d like to assign transactions in my CC 
(liability) account to a few additional expense accounts. GnuCash said I could 
“add more later” but I cannot seem to do it right. Do I have to assign that 
account to some different top-level account?


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, October 19, 2023, 12:24 PM, Edwin Booth via gnucash-user 
 wrote:

Thank you. I’ll try it that way. 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, October 19, 2023, 11:26 AM, Steve Butler  wrote:



On Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 23:04 Edwin Booth  wrote:

Steve,
Thanks for getting back to me!
It seems that I need to first delete my newly downloaded file from GnuCash and 
re-import it but first assign all the

Yes, remove those transitions or restore to a pre-import backup.
transactions to various accounts. I have
This is done during the import process just after you open the file.  You 
should see a list of the transactions that will be loaded.  Pick each one and 
be sure it has the correct destination account.  That's how the import process 
is taught.
 gone through the process (I think) of creating a hierarchy of accounts (though 
I will surely want to add more expense accounts later).

Okay, I have deleted the AMEX credit card OFX account that I imported into 
GnuCash and have gone back to my Mac Downloads file. How do I now assign all 
those transactions to their proper accounts without first importing this OFX 
file into GnuCash? Doesn’t it have to be in GnuCash before it can even know 
what accounts are available?
It’s late now, so I’ll wait for an answer to this first question before going 
on. 
But for some reason I saw this email in my Yahoo mail app rather than in my 
Gmail app. Please respond to this by sending out my Gmail account. 
elybee...@gnail.com. 
Thanks,
Edwin


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 18, 2023, 2:05 PM, Stephen M. Butler  
wrote:

Edwin,

I routinely download my CC transactions using OFX.  I think you missed a 
very important step.

It sounds like you did tie this OFX file to your CC Liability Account.  
That will be remembered for all future imports from this CC.

It also sounds like you may not have set up all the various expense 
accounts (Groceries, Fuel, Hardware, etc).  Those need to be setup as 
accounts under the Expense top-level account.

Then, during the import process, after you pick the file but before 
doing the actual import step you will see a list of all the 
transactions.  During this first import none of them will show the 
corresponding expense account.  You will need to click on each line and 
indicate to which account that expense should be assigned.  In some 
cases you will have a payment so up.  For the first time you will need 
to assign this to your Asset/Checking account.

This process of assigning accounts to each transaction will teach the 
import process how to automatically assign them in the future. As the 
importer learns each transaction (based on the description), it will 
begin to automatically assign the proper accounts. Occasionally you may 
need to correct the account assignment or it may see a new description 
and not know leaving it assigned to the Invalid Account.  This is your 
clue to click on that line (perhaps double click) and make the 
appropriate assignment.

Hopefully this helps you on future imports.

--Steve

Stephen M Butler
stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com
kg...@arrl.net
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On 10/18/23 11:09, Edwin Booth wrote:
> Hi. New to this. I just downloaded an OFX file for a credit card I have. I
> imported it into my “Unsaved Book.” That worked. It is now on the Accounts
> Page with an amount under the “Total” column. But there is also a line that
> says “Imbalance-USD” with the same same amount under Total. I understand (I
> think) that that Imbalance is due to the fact that I have no other account
> in there and so there is nothing to balance my CC account with.
>
> So, I obviously need to enter some new accounts. I haven’t paid off all of
> that CC 

Re: [GNC] I need basic help

[Fred Tydeman]

At top left of screen, click on Accounts.
Then under Account Name, click on Expenses
Then click on New at top of screen.
that will get you a popup to create a new account.

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 10:02 AM Edwin Booth via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> How do I add a new Expense Account? I’d like to assign transactions in my
> CC (liability) account to a few additional expense accounts. GnuCash said I
> could “add more later” but I cannot seem to do it right. Do I have to
> assign that account to some different top-level account?
>
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Re: [GNC] I need basic help

[Edwin Booth via gnucash-user]

How do I add a new Expense Account? I’d like to assign transactions in my CC 
(liability) account to a few additional expense accounts. GnuCash said I could 
“add more later” but I cannot seem to do it right. Do I have to assign that 
account to some different top-level account?


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, October 19, 2023, 12:24 PM, Edwin Booth via gnucash-user 
 wrote:

Thank you. I’ll try it that way. 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, October 19, 2023, 11:26 AM, Steve Butler  wrote:



On Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 23:04 Edwin Booth  wrote:

Steve,
Thanks for getting back to me!
It seems that I need to first delete my newly downloaded file from GnuCash and 
re-import it but first assign all the

Yes, remove those transitions or restore to a pre-import backup.
transactions to various accounts. I have
This is done during the import process just after you open the file.  You 
should see a list of the transactions that will be loaded.  Pick each one and 
be sure it has the correct destination account.  That's how the import process 
is taught.
 gone through the process (I think) of creating a hierarchy of accounts (though 
I will surely want to add more expense accounts later).

Okay, I have deleted the AMEX credit card OFX account that I imported into 
GnuCash and have gone back to my Mac Downloads file. How do I now assign all 
those transactions to their proper accounts without first importing this OFX 
file into GnuCash? Doesn’t it have to be in GnuCash before it can even know 
what accounts are available?
It’s late now, so I’ll wait for an answer to this first question before going 
on. 
But for some reason I saw this email in my Yahoo mail app rather than in my 
Gmail app. Please respond to this by sending out my Gmail account. 
elybee...@gnail.com. 
Thanks,
Edwin


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 18, 2023, 2:05 PM, Stephen M. Butler  
wrote:

Edwin,

I routinely download my CC transactions using OFX.  I think you missed a 
very important step.

It sounds like you did tie this OFX file to your CC Liability Account.  
That will be remembered for all future imports from this CC.

It also sounds like you may not have set up all the various expense 
accounts (Groceries, Fuel, Hardware, etc).  Those need to be setup as 
accounts under the Expense top-level account.

Then, during the import process, after you pick the file but before 
doing the actual import step you will see a list of all the 
transactions.  During this first import none of them will show the 
corresponding expense account.  You will need to click on each line and 
indicate to which account that expense should be assigned.  In some 
cases you will have a payment so up.  For the first time you will need 
to assign this to your Asset/Checking account.

This process of assigning accounts to each transaction will teach the 
import process how to automatically assign them in the future. As the 
importer learns each transaction (based on the description), it will 
begin to automatically assign the proper accounts. Occasionally you may 
need to correct the account assignment or it may see a new description 
and not know leaving it assigned to the Invalid Account.  This is your 
clue to click on that line (perhaps double click) and make the 
appropriate assignment.

Hopefully this helps you on future imports.

--Steve

Stephen M Butler
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kg...@arrl.net
253-350-0166
---
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On 10/18/23 11:09, Edwin Booth wrote:
> Hi. New to this. I just downloaded an OFX file for a credit card I have. I
> imported it into my “Unsaved Book.” That worked. It is now on the Accounts
> Page with an amount under the “Total” column. But there is also a line that
> says “Imbalance-USD” with the same same amount under Total. I understand (I
> think) that that Imbalance is due to the fact that I have no other account
> in there and so there is nothing to balance my CC account with.
>
> So, I obviously need to enter some new accounts. I haven’t paid off all of
> that CC account, but I have paid some of it. The unpaid portion would be
> under “Liability” I assume, and the paid part under “Expense.”
>
> Not sure what to do next. I’m running GnuCash on a MacBook Pro, which I’m
> also pretty new at.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Edwin
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Re: [GNC] How to use refunds or credit notes

[Geert Janssens]

Op woensdag 25 oktober 2023 18:10:22 CEST schreef John Walker:
> I have a situation where I have charged say$2 008 in an invoice. After
> posting, the customer correctly told me that the invoice should have
> been $2 000. The invoice has already been correctly paid at $2 000 and
> payment due date has already happened.
> 
> When processing the payment, I entered $8 in the refund and the invoice
> changed to $2 000 as one would expect. After processing the payment, I
> still had the $8 to process in the process payment window. How do I
> properly process this?
> 
> If I should have used a credit note, how do I do that?

You will indeed require a credit note for the remainder. You can still create 
it now. Creating a credit note is the same as creating an invoice, except you 
choose "credit note" instead of "invoice".

Once the credit note is created, you can select to pay it, as you would for 
invoices. In the payment window you will find the $8 due payment and apply 
that to the credit note.

Regards,

Geert


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[GNC] re I need basic help

[Neil Campbell]

Hello Christopher

As a non-accountant (although I pretend to be one sometimes) I can't figure
out Dr/Cr except that Dr=left,Cr=right.

As a non-accountant, this simple way of looking at it may help with 
understanding Debits and Credits. 
You always Debit the receiving account and credit the parting account. 
So, for example, If you run a cash business and you bank $100, the bank 
received the money and you parted with goods or services which are called 
Sales, so you Debit Bank and Credit Sales. If you have a Debtors system then 
this same transaction would be Debit Bank (receiving the money) and Credit the 
Debtor (parting with the money).

This simple test can be applied to any transaction and it works every time. You 
will soon become used to the logic involved.  

Hope this helps.
Neil
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[GNC] How to use refunds or credit notes

[John Walker]

I have a situation where I have charged say$2 008 in an invoice. After 
posting, the customer correctly told me that the invoice should have 
been $2 000. The invoice has already been correctly paid at $2 000 and 
payment due date has already happened.


When processing the payment, I entered $8 in the refund and the invoice 
changed to $2 000 as one would expect. After processing the payment, I 
still had the $8 to process in the process payment window. How do I 
properly process this?


If I should have used a credit note, how do I do that?
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Re: [GNC] New Balance entry

[Christopher Lam]

It's poorly documented.
https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=563565
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[GNC] New Balance entry

[Mahon Finbar via gnucash-user]

Hi,

After my previous experiences on here, I am almost afraid to ask a new 
question, but, here goes.


When Reconciling, what exactly is the effect of introducing a "new 
balance entry" as is available as the first option on the bar.


There is nothing under the help that I could identify.

Thanks, Finbar

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Re: [GNC] I need basic help

[Kalpesh Patel]

I reckon that is why this wonderful World accommodates more than 'One size fits 
all' ... hence also there are more than one school in the World! 

I mean I go and ask SME's when I am outside of my expertise. I hope nothing is 
wrong with it. Now on to figuring out which school to go ...

-Original Message-
From: G R Hewitt  
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 1:59 AM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] I need basic help

Good point, which is probably why schools are the worst place to send your 
child, 'One size fits all'.

On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 22:39, Liz  wrote:

> On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 09:12:57 -0700
> "Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)"  wrote:
>
> > It strikes me that you're trying to use GnuCash without first 
> > reading the documentation. That's like trying to run before you can walk.
> > Others have already made the suggestion, but maybe you missed their 
> > messages.
>
> People learn in different ways.
> So Edwin learns by doing and asking when reaching a difficulty.
>
>
> Liz
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Re: [GNC] Automatic Counters

[Dr. Timothy B. Jones]

Thank you so much!

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From: john 
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 11:18:57 PM
To: Dr. Timothy B. Jones 
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Automatic Counters

That's https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798952. It's fixed in GnuCash 
5.4

Regards,
John Ralls


On Oct 24, 2023, at 13:11, Dr. Timothy B. Jones  wrote:

Greetings:

I have been using GNUCash for years with little issues.  Recently, I think 
after I did my last update, the automatic counters stopped working for me. Now, 
no matter what number is placed in the various counters, when I add a new 
document it will put 1 in as the document number regardless of whether it 
has been used or not.   Have I done something to change that?  Any help would 
be appreciated.

Best,
Timothy


Timothy B. Jones, Ed.D.
Author, International Speaker & Consultant
(214) 252-0489
http://www.timothybjones.net


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Re: [GNC] Assigning payment inside a split

[Geert Janssens]

I believe it's not possible to assign specific splits to as a payment to a 
bill. You can only assign complete transactions and from that point on GnuCash 
will manage the Accounts Payable part of that transaction. That does 
effectively mean that if your payment transaction has more than one split in 
an AP account, they may be reset by GnuCash.

That's proper to how the business features in gnucash work - anything in AP or 
AR is managed by code.

Regards,

Geert

Op woensdag 25 oktober 2023 07:25:17 CEST schreef Jediator:
> I was trying to assign a payment to a transaction inside a split (a
> parent transaction).  However, to my surprise, this action resulted not
> only the child entity assigned as a payment, but also the rest of the
> siblings merged together and assigned as a payment to the same bill.  I
> ended up with loosing the split completely, and the bill got messed up
> as well.  Is this a bug or did I do something wrong here?
> 
> Using GC version 5.4 on Mac with Postgresql as the back-end DB.
> 
> Thanks in advance!  -- JC
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Re: [GNC] I need basic help

[Christopher Lam]

As a non-accountant (although I pretend to be one sometimes) I can't figure
out Dr/Cr except that Dr=left,Cr=right.

But I do understand numbers (referring to dollars, or, a hot potato).

My 4 Rules:
1. Each transaction must total to zero (i.e. after a transaction is
complete, no hot potato burning my hand)
2. A positive balance in my bank account is reassuring (lots of hot
potatoes in my bank)
3. An income amount is usually negative, because it denotes the world.
(i.e. when I receive income, the world loses some potatoes).
4. No potatoes are created or destroyed

Example. I offer labour, I get paid in dollars
Income:Salary -$200
Asset:Bank +$200

I purchase from the shops
Asset:Bank -$50
Expenses:Groceries +$50

I invest some of my dollars, and borrow a lot of dollars to buy a house.
Asset:Bank -$100
Liability:Loan -$99,900
Asset:House +$100,000

etc.

Note within a transaction the total must always be zero. Incidentally
Gnucash stores amounts exactly like these potatoes above.

On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 at 01:37, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Edwin,
>
> Debit/Credit is just Left/Right.
>
>
>
> Maybe this will help...
>
> The Accounting Equation:
>
> Assets - Liabilities = Equity
>
> (let's make all terms 'positive')
>
> Assets = Liabilities + Equity
>
> (now, we'll split off a subset of Equity)
>
> Assets = Liabilities + Equity + Retained Earnings
>
> (now, we'll substitute temporary accounts for Retained Earnings)
>
> Assets = Liabilities + Equity + (Income - Expenses)
>
> (now, we'll once again, make all terms 'positive')
>
> Assets + Expenses = Liabilities + Equity + Income
>
>
> And there, you have the full Accounting Equation with the five major
> account types that GnuCash uses.
>
> -
>
> In double-entry accounting, ALL transactions are in the form of:
>
> Debit = Credit
>
> Left = Right
>
>
> The 'Debit' accounts (those that are normally (positive) a Debit
> balance, and increase with a Debit, decrease with a Credit) are on the
> left of the equation:
>
> Assets
> Expenses
>
> The 'Credit' accounts (those that are normally (positive) a Credit
> balance, and increase with a Credit, decrease with a Debit) are those on
> the right of the equation:
>
> Liabilities
> Equity
> Income
>
> A negative balance in any account would indicate either an entry error
> or a contra-balance situation. (rare for individuals)
>
> -
> You can move funds from the left to the right, or vice versa, or between
> any accounts or types on the same side of the equation. (I will use the
> abbreviations Dr. and Cr. here)
>
> Most texts will write transactions Debit first, then Credit as shown
> below. The amounts are not shown, because they *must* be equal.
>
>
> Example Left to Right - Asset to Liability (paying down a debt)
>
> Dr. Liabilities:Loan
>Cr. Assets:Cash
>
> result: decreased Loan owed, decreased Cash on hand, Assets decreased,
> Liabilities decreased - equation still in balance
>
>
>
> Example Right to Left - Income to Asset (receipt of income)
>
> Dr. Assets:Cash
>Cr. Income:Salary
>
> result: increased Cash on hand, increased Salary earned, Assets
> increased, Income increased - equation still in balance
>
>
>
> Example Left to Left(same type) - Asset to Asset (buying land outright)
>
> Dr. Assets:Land
>Cr. Assets:Cash
>
> result: increased Land owned, decreased Cash on hand, Assets shifted -
> equation still in balance
>
>
>
> Example Left to Left(different type) - Asset to Expense (buying groceries)
>
> Dr. Expenses:Food
>Cr. Assets:Cash
>
> result: increased Food expense, decreased Cash on hand, Expenses
> increased, Assets decreased - equation still in balance
>
>
>
> Example Right to Right(same type) - Liability to Liability (paying down
> a loan with a credit card)
>
> Dr. Liabilities:Loan
>Cr. Liabilities:Credit Card
>
> result: decreased Loan owed, increased Credit Card owed, Liabilities
> shifted - equation still in balance
>
>
>
> Example Right to Right(different type) - Equity to Liability
> (recognition of dividends to be paid - business transaction)
>
> Dr. Equity:Retained Earnings
>Cr. Liabilities:Dividends Payable
>
> result: decreased Retained Earnings, increased Dividends owed to
> shareholders, Equity decreased, Liability increased - equation remains
> in balance.
>
>
>
> *it is rare and unusualy for an individual to shift Equity to
> Liabilities and vice versa. Forgiveness of Debt may in some
> jurisdictions be a transfer from Liabilities to Income.
>
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 10/20/23 12:02 AM, Edwin Booth via gnucash-user wrote:
> > I need to wrap my head around the whole “debit/credit” concept.
>
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[GNC] Australian Accountants familiar with GNUCash

[flywire]

https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2023-October/109255.html
Alan Hopkins wrote:
> I know an accountant who has, for at least one business, accepted printed
P & Balance Sheet from a 2002 version of Quickbooks together with end of
year bank statements - he has never wanted to get the info on disk/USB as
his lackies just enter the financial data (from P & Balance Sheet) into
their software and check bank balances etc, so the same should be
achievable for GNUCash.

lol, That's my accountant, tells me what reports and documents he wants
(which also includes a transaction statement and a summary spreadsheet for
various entities). He's a tax accountant and not interested in doing
bookkeeping. I value his advice more than getting the tax forms filled out.

I'd suggest looking for a bookkeeper or someone with a finance/admin
background. People know what their interests are and the right person would
pick up GnuCash soon enough. It could be a good work from home job.

Regards
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Re: [GNC] I need basic help

[G R Hewitt]

Good point, which is probably why schools are the worst place to send your
child, 'One size fits all'.

On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 22:39, Liz  wrote:

> On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 09:12:57 -0700
> "Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)"  wrote:
>
> > It strikes me that you're trying to use GnuCash without first reading
> > the documentation. That's like trying to run before you can walk.
> > Others have already made the suggestion, but maybe you missed their
> > messages.
>
> People learn in different ways.
> So Edwin learns by doing and asking when reaching a difficulty.
>
>
> Liz
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