[GNC] End of Year?

[R Losey]

I suspect that this topic comes up about every New Year - perhaps it is
worth putting in a FAQ (if it's not in one), and perhaps posting the FAQ
monthly to this list. In the relatively short time I've been on this list,
I definitely see some repeated questions, including this end-of-year
question that I created, and therefore may have errors in it.

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Question: "How do I start a new year in GnuCash?" Alternatively, "How do I
close out the old year in GnuCash?"

Answers as far as I can remember them:
General Answer: You need to determine precisely what you are trying to
accomplish in GnuCash. You may not need to do anything (see A1). If you
want to keep a backup-copy of the previous year, see A2. If you want to
close the books in the accounting sense (reset the balances of the income
and expense accounts), see A3.

A1: There is no necessity to take any action at the start of a New Year.
GnuCash can keep several years of data in its compressed XML file without
it growing too large.

A2: The best thing to do here is to be sure that there is no additional
transactions for end-of-year, run whatever end-of-year reports you need,
then shut down GnuCash and copy your main data file to some safe place. If
that area supports it, consider marking the file as read-only. You should
probably note the year in the name: "SmithFamilyFY2022.gnucash" or
something like that. There is no need to delete old data (see A1).

A3: See the GnuCash Manual, section 8.9 for a discussion about how to do
this task, along with the caveats.

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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[R Losey]

I'm sensing a learning opportunity here... GnuCash has templates? I never
noticed that; I only use the templates in the Scheduled Transaction Editor.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 11:37 PM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> That's moving beyond Scheduled Transactions and into a more general case
> of Templates. I'm pretty sure I've already filed an RFE for that long ago.
>
> I see Scheduled Transactions as a special use case of Templates, though
> Scheduled was implemented first.
>
> The more general Template case is when you definitely want to re-enter
> the format of a transaction (which may or may not be complicated) but
> you don't want to do so on a set periodic basis.
>
> I know we have Duplicate in the interim, but that means you have to go
> looking for the transaction you want to duplicate first. (and likely
> have to do a Find for it)
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 1/12/24 9:26 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> > Liz,
> >
> > Since you asked, I think that is a good idea.  We could have both a test
> > run while editing that did not crash anything if it failed and when
> looking
> > at the SX but not editing it, have a button that triggers the creation of
> > the next instance.  That would probably work regardless of the SLR
> settings
> > such as ignore, postpone, etc.
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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[Adrien Monteleone]

That's moving beyond Scheduled Transactions and into a more general case 
of Templates. I'm pretty sure I've already filed an RFE for that long ago.


I see Scheduled Transactions as a special use case of Templates, though 
Scheduled was implemented first.


The more general Template case is when you definitely want to re-enter 
the format of a transaction (which may or may not be complicated) but 
you don't want to do so on a set periodic basis.


I know we have Duplicate in the interim, but that means you have to go 
looking for the transaction you want to duplicate first. (and likely 
have to do a Find for it)


Regards,
Adrien

On 1/12/24 9:26 PM, David Carlson wrote:

Liz,

Since you asked, I think that is a good idea.  We could have both a test
run while editing that did not crash anything if it failed and when looking
at the SX but not editing it, have a button that triggers the creation of
the next instance.  That would probably work regardless of the SLR settings
such as ignore, postpone, etc.


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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[David Carlson]

Liz,

Since you asked, I think that is a good idea.  We could have both a test
run while editing that did not crash anything if it failed and when looking
at the SX but not editing it, have a button that triggers the creation of
the next instance.  That would probably work regardless of the SLR settings
such as ignore, postpone, etc.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 9:14 PM Liz  wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 12:08:14 -0600
> David Carlson  wrote:
>
> > I consider the SX to be a graphical form of a script, and so I am not
> > sure how the editor could detect what is safe to call an expression
> > that could be evaluated while it is being edited.
> >
>
> So would you like a button which gives an option to make a test run?
>
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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[Patrick James]

>From the pulldown menus:

Actions -> Scheduled Transactions -> Since Last Run...

> On 01/12/2024 7:13 PM PST Liz  wrote:
>
> So would you like a button which gives an option to make a test run?
> 
> Liz
>  
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 12:08:14 -0600
> David Carlson  wrote:
> 
> > I consider the SX to be a graphical form of a script, and so I am not
> > sure how the editor could detect what is safe to call an expression
> > that could be evaluated while it is being edited.
> >
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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[Liz]

On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 12:08:14 -0600
David Carlson  wrote:

> I consider the SX to be a graphical form of a script, and so I am not
> sure how the editor could detect what is safe to call an expression
> that could be evaluated while it is being edited.
> 

So would you like a button which gives an option to make a test run?

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Liz]

On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 11:53:58 -0600
Jack Slater  wrote:

> I am  and have been doing for years. First time ever GnC burped up
> "rogue" transactions.

I also edit transactions in the middle of reconciliation. 
My repetitive saving started when I couldn't get stuff to balance and
started doing really small amounts at a time to make progress.

I realise that I may have struck the same as Jack, but have not
actually checked closely enough to find where something didn't balance
last time when I have used the same figures on the second run.
I'm going to pay more attention next month.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[David Cousens]

David

I add correcting/missing  transactions all the time while doing a reconciliation
without any problem. They then just appear in the panels of the reconciliation
display once the transaction has been entered. Havn't done it in 5.5 yet though.
WIll be doing so in the next few days so will check it out then.

David Cousens

On Fri, 2024-01-12 at 11:44 -0600, David Carlson wrote:
> It sounds like you are entering new transactions while part way through
> performing a reconciliation process.
> 
> I suspect that could confuse the reconciliation.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 11:22 AM Jack Slater  wrote:
> 
> > Windows 11
> > 
> > Was on 5.4 when problems started. Updated to 5.5 and finally slugged my
> > through doing exactly what you suggested - saving page and then transaction
> > at a time.
> > 
> > On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 5:08 AM Liz  wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 11:11:13 -0600
> > > Jack Slater  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 90 minutes of reconciling down the drain with a crash near the end of
> > > > the final account. Oddly, even though GnuC auto saves periodically,
> > > > it seems none of any add/delete/balance transactions were saved in
> > > > any account! Why would that be
> > > 
> > > Please give your OS and your version of Gnucash. It will make it easier
> > > for others to help.
> > > 
> > > Personally I always save repetitively when reconciling. If its an
> > > account with a lot of transactions I may do a page at a time, and
> > > sometimes less. Every finalised reconciliation I save immediately.
> > > 
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Patrick James]

I own a few, but I generally don't use timers.
 
What should I expect at 90 minutes, and at what point do I start the timer?
 

> On 01/12/2024 12:29 PM PST David Carlson  wrote:
>  
>  
> ...except when something happens after 90 minutes of that sort of activity 
> that creates a huge mess.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 2:11 PM Jack Slater  mailto:theillini...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'd certainly agree.
> > 
> > On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 11:57 AM Patrick James  > mailto:patrickjame...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > My personal experience is that this "phantom transaction" problem began in
> > > 5.X.
> > >
> > > Using 4.X, I experienced no problems changing/adding/deleting transactions
> > > during a reconciliation.
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 01/12/2024 9:44 AM PST David Carlson  > > > mailto:david.carlson@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It sounds like you are entering new transactions while part way through
> > > > performing a reconciliation process.
> > > >
> > > > I suspect that could confuse the reconciliation.
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[David Carlson]

...except when something happens after 90 minutes of that sort of activity
that creates a huge mess.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 2:11 PM Jack Slater  wrote:

> I'd certainly agree.
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 11:57 AM Patrick James  >
> wrote:
>
> > My personal experience is that this "phantom transaction" problem began
> in
> > 5.X.
> >
> > Using 4.X, I experienced no problems changing/adding/deleting
> transactions
> > during a reconciliation.
> >
> >
> > > On 01/12/2024 9:44 AM PST David Carlson 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > It sounds like you are entering new transactions while part way through
> > > performing a reconciliation process.
> > >
> > > I suspect that could confuse the reconciliation.
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Jack Slater]

I'd certainly agree.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 11:57 AM Patrick James 
wrote:

> My personal experience is that this "phantom transaction" problem began in
> 5.X.
>
> Using 4.X, I experienced no problems changing/adding/deleting transactions
> during a reconciliation.
>
>
> > On 01/12/2024 9:44 AM PST David Carlson 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > It sounds like you are entering new transactions while part way through
> > performing a reconciliation process.
> >
> > I suspect that could confuse the reconciliation.
> >
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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[David Carlson]

Stan,
Scheduled transactions [SX's] are only executed when the Since Last Run
assistant is triggered, and then only when they meet several criteria such
as the calendar date matching the scheduled execution date but the SX is
not postponed or ignored.  Some users, like myself, have as many as
hundreds of these, and we don't want them going off when we start GnuCash,
because it might take a long time to get through the distraction, so we
turn off the trigger to run when the program starts and only run it when we
are ready.  Then, we might want to edit one or two SX's without being
bothered with the other 98 possibly taking off while we are focussed on
that one or two.  There has been a lot of discussion about the Since Last
Run assistant being rather unwieldy and there was an attempt to start
making it work more smoothly in release 5.5, but it hit a speed bump.  That
has not been fixed yet for general release, it is probably very complex
coding that we mortals do not comprehend.



On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 1:22 PM Stan Brown (using GC 4.14) <
stan...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> On 2024-01-12 08:17, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> > I am not unsympathetic to that conundrum!
> >
> > On 1/12/24 12:23 AM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
> >> if I have to remember to run the SLR in order to have them created,
> >> then I've just changed the work, not reduced it.
>
> I'm confused. I'm not having a problem, but I would like to understand
> the issue raised.
>
> When has it ever been necessary to run the "Since Last Run" menu
> selection? When I create a transaction, it fires when it's supposed to.
> I've just tried one now. I imagine "Create automatically" is necessary,
> but that's ticked by default so I don't have think about it.
>
> It's true that the transaction doesn't run immediately, but it does run
> the next time I reopen GC. Is that what's being referred to, that a new
> transaction, created on the same day as the first desired occurrence,
> doesn't fire in the same GC session unless you select "Since Last Run",
> though it _does_ fire automatically in the next GC session? (As I say,
> I've just tried this.) Or is there some change in behavior between 4.x
> and 5.x, and that's what's being referred to?
>
> Can someone clarify the issue, please?
>
> P.S. Someone referred to not being able to have formulas in a Scheduled
> Transaction. I just tried that too, with 100+100-50 in a debit split and
> 800-650 in a credit split. As I would have expected, when the
> transaction fired, the debit and credit splits both showed 150.00. (My
> currency is US dollars.) So it sure looks like formulas work. Again,
> maybe I'm misunderstanding the issue the person was talking about.
>
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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[Gyle McCollam]

Stan,
I think what they were referring to is that if you don't shutdown and start a 
new session, they don't fire automatically.  Some people leave Gnucash open for 
days or longer.  On the calculations, I think, they want them to add together 
like they do in a normal register and not have to wait until it fires to verify 
the math.  However, I could be wrong.


Thank You,

Gyle McCollam

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Sent: Friday, January 12, 2024 2:21 PM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction 
Editor

On 2024-01-12 08:17, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> I am not unsympathetic to that conundrum!
>
> On 1/12/24 12:23 AM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
>> if I have to remember to run the SLR in order to have them created,
>> then I've just changed the work, not reduced it.

I'm confused. I'm not having a problem, but I would like to understand
the issue raised.

When has it ever been necessary to run the "Since Last Run" menu
selection? When I create a transaction, it fires when it's supposed to.
I've just tried one now. I imagine "Create automatically" is necessary,
but that's ticked by default so I don't have think about it.

It's true that the transaction doesn't run immediately, but it does run
the next time I reopen GC. Is that what's being referred to, that a new
transaction, created on the same day as the first desired occurrence,
doesn't fire in the same GC session unless you select "Since Last Run",
though it _does_ fire automatically in the next GC session? (As I say,
I've just tried this.) Or is there some change in behavior between 4.x
and 5.x, and that's what's being referred to?

Can someone clarify the issue, please?

P.S. Someone referred to not being able to have formulas in a Scheduled
Transaction. I just tried that too, with 100+100-50 in a debit split and
800-650 in a credit split. As I would have expected, when the
transaction fired, the debit and credit splits both showed 150.00. (My
currency is US dollars.) So it sure looks like formulas work. Again,
maybe I'm misunderstanding the issue the person was talking about.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)]

On 2024-01-12 08:17, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> I am not unsympathetic to that conundrum!
> 
> On 1/12/24 12:23 AM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
>> if I have to remember to run the SLR in order to have them created,
>> then I've just changed the work, not reduced it.

I'm confused. I'm not having a problem, but I would like to understand
the issue raised.

When has it ever been necessary to run the "Since Last Run" menu
selection? When I create a transaction, it fires when it's supposed to.
I've just tried one now. I imagine "Create automatically" is necessary,
but that's ticked by default so I don't have think about it.

It's true that the transaction doesn't run immediately, but it does run
the next time I reopen GC. Is that what's being referred to, that a new
transaction, created on the same day as the first desired occurrence,
doesn't fire in the same GC session unless you select "Since Last Run",
though it _does_ fire automatically in the next GC session? (As I say,
I've just tried this.) Or is there some change in behavior between 4.x
and 5.x, and that's what's being referred to?

Can someone clarify the issue, please?

P.S. Someone referred to not being able to have formulas in a Scheduled
Transaction. I just tried that too, with 100+100-50 in a debit split and
800-650 in a credit split. As I would have expected, when the
transaction fired, the debit and credit splits both showed 150.00. (My
currency is US dollars.) So it sure looks like formulas work. Again,
maybe I'm misunderstanding the issue the person was talking about.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Thanks all for the discussion. I can rest easy knowing that this is how the SX 
editor works. It just took me by surprise...

⁣David T.​

On Jan 12, 2024, 7:09 PM, at 7:09 PM, David Carlson 
 wrote:
>I consider the SX to be a graphical form of a script, and so I am not
>sure
>how the editor could detect what is safe to call an expression that
>could
>be evaluated while it is being edited.
>
>
>
>On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 11:36 AM Adrien Monteleone <
>adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:
>
>> What I meant was it would indeed be nice that the SX Template entry
>> allowed you to do math like a register does.
>>
>> I never meant to imply that one could edit the code from within the
>app!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>>
>> On 1/12/24 11:27 AM, David Carlson wrote:
>> > I beg to differ.  Executing code while editing it would be an
>invitation
>> to
>> > disaster.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 10:25 AM Adrien Monteleone <
>> > adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Indeed, I should have tested it prior to commenting.
>> >>
>> >> Apologies for the noise.
>> >>
>> >> At the very least, being able to do math here with a result would
>be a
>> >> good RFE.
>> >>
>> >> I would only expect formulas to remain as formulas if they contain
>> >> variables which require a prompt for value.
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Patrick James]

Jack,

This "log file" discussion seemed to get moved to a stack type of log. There is 
another log with GNUCash, which is somewhat unique in that programmers usually 
need the stack log (all programming).

The GNUCash data log file is explained in 2.5.2.

https://lists.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html

> On 01/11/2024 9:41 AM PST Jack Slater  wrote:
> 
>  
> Sorry Dale but I'd no idea how or what to look for or do.
>
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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[David Carlson]

I consider the SX to be a graphical form of a script, and so I am not sure
how the editor could detect what is safe to call an expression that could
be evaluated while it is being edited.



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adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> What I meant was it would indeed be nice that the SX Template entry
> allowed you to do math like a register does.
>
> I never meant to imply that one could edit the code from within the app!
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 1/12/24 11:27 AM, David Carlson wrote:
> > I beg to differ.  Executing code while editing it would be an invitation
> to
> > disaster.
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 10:25 AM Adrien Monteleone <
> > adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Indeed, I should have tested it prior to commenting.
> >>
> >> Apologies for the noise.
> >>
> >> At the very least, being able to do math here with a result would be a
> >> good RFE.
> >>
> >> I would only expect formulas to remain as formulas if they contain
> >> variables which require a prompt for value.
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Patrick James]

My personal experience is that this "phantom transaction" problem began in 5.X.

Using 4.X, I experienced no problems changing/adding/deleting transactions 
during a reconciliation.


> On 01/12/2024 9:44 AM PST David Carlson  wrote:
> 
>  
> It sounds like you are entering new transactions while part way through
> performing a reconciliation process.
> 
> I suspect that could confuse the reconciliation.
>
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Jack Slater]

I am  and have been doing for years. First time ever GnC burped up "rogue"
transactions.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 11:44 AM David Carlson 
wrote:

> It sounds like you are entering new transactions while part way through
> performing a reconciliation process.
>
> I suspect that could confuse the reconciliation.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 11:22 AM Jack Slater  wrote:
>
>> Windows 11
>>
>> Was on 5.4 when problems started. Updated to 5.5 and finally slugged my
>> through doing exactly what you suggested - saving page and then
>> transaction
>> at a time.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 5:08 AM Liz  wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 11:11:13 -0600
>> > Jack Slater  wrote:
>> >
>> > > 90 minutes of reconciling down the drain with a crash near the end of
>> > > the final account. Oddly, even though GnuC auto saves periodically,
>> > > it seems none of any add/delete/balance transactions were saved in
>> > > any account! Why would that be
>> >
>> > Please give your OS and your version of Gnucash. It will make it easier
>> > for others to help.
>> >
>> > Personally I always save repetitively when reconciling. If its an
>> > account with a lot of transactions I may do a page at a time, and
>> > sometimes less. Every finalised reconciliation I save immediately.
>> >
>> > Liz
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[David Carlson]

It sounds like you are entering new transactions while part way through
performing a reconciliation process.

I suspect that could confuse the reconciliation.



On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 11:22 AM Jack Slater  wrote:

> Windows 11
>
> Was on 5.4 when problems started. Updated to 5.5 and finally slugged my
> through doing exactly what you suggested - saving page and then transaction
> at a time.
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 5:08 AM Liz  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 11:11:13 -0600
> > Jack Slater  wrote:
> >
> > > 90 minutes of reconciling down the drain with a crash near the end of
> > > the final account. Oddly, even though GnuC auto saves periodically,
> > > it seems none of any add/delete/balance transactions were saved in
> > > any account! Why would that be
> >
> > Please give your OS and your version of Gnucash. It will make it easier
> > for others to help.
> >
> > Personally I always save repetitively when reconciling. If its an
> > account with a lot of transactions I may do a page at a time, and
> > sometimes less. Every finalised reconciliation I save immediately.
> >
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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[Adrien Monteleone]

What I meant was it would indeed be nice that the SX Template entry 
allowed you to do math like a register does.


I never meant to imply that one could edit the code from within the app!

Regards,
Adrien

On 1/12/24 11:27 AM, David Carlson wrote:

I beg to differ.  Executing code while editing it would be an invitation to
disaster.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 10:25 AM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:


Indeed, I should have tested it prior to commenting.

Apologies for the noise.

At the very least, being able to do math here with a result would be a
good RFE.

I would only expect formulas to remain as formulas if they contain
variables which require a prompt for value.


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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[David Carlson]

I beg to differ.  Executing code while editing it would be an invitation to
disaster.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 10:25 AM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Indeed, I should have tested it prior to commenting.
>
> Apologies for the noise.
>
> At the very least, being able to do math here with a result would be a
> good RFE.
>
> I would only expect formulas to remain as formulas if they contain
> variables which require a prompt for value.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 1/12/24 12:18 AM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
> > I am pretty sure I tried that, but it didn't actually do the calculation
> in the SX window. Which makes sense, I think, because that window allows
> formulas that get processed at runtime.
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Jack Slater]

Windows 11

Was on 5.4 when problems started. Updated to 5.5 and finally slugged my
through doing exactly what you suggested - saving page and then transaction
at a time.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 5:08 AM Liz  wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 11:11:13 -0600
> Jack Slater  wrote:
>
> > 90 minutes of reconciling down the drain with a crash near the end of
> > the final account. Oddly, even though GnuC auto saves periodically,
> > it seems none of any add/delete/balance transactions were saved in
> > any account! Why would that be
>
> Please give your OS and your version of Gnucash. It will make it easier
> for others to help.
>
> Personally I always save repetitively when reconciling. If its an
> account with a lot of transactions I may do a page at a time, and
> sometimes less. Every finalised reconciliation I save immediately.
>
> Liz
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Jack Slater]

No split. I'll give an exact example:

I entered:
12/3/2023VisaWalmart
+-Expense:Household..(blank).$100

Switched back to reconcile window and saw the original (above) and also:
12/3/2023VisaWalmart
+-Expense:Household-(blank)-
$68


On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 9:57 PM David Cousens 
wrote:

> Jack,
>
> What do you mean by a rogue transaction? Is this by any chance a
> transaction
> which has one split to an IMbalance" account?  If this is the case then it
> may
> be that you are not assigning the transfer account  befor committing the
> transaction with the return key. If no account has been assigned to th
> seoncd
> line of the transaction it will be automatically assigned to the Imbalance
> account, the purpose of which is to alert you that nyou need to assign an
> appropriate account to that second split.
>
>
> On Thu, 2024-01-11 at 16:27 -0600, Jack Slater wrote:
> > My last post wrote how I had in fact done a hard save after each entry
> down
> > to the point where I had to delete the "rogue" system generated
> transaction
> > and it crashed again. So reboot again. Start GnC. Reconcile the last
> > account I was doing. Scanned for the "rogue" transaction and it was in
> fact
> > gone. Went through the reconcile transactions and completed successfully.
> > Closed GnC. I'll be curious next Thursday to see what happens again.
> >
> > The last error message is attached.
> >
> > Any suggestions on what happened or what to check that I (none coder tech
> > guy) please feel free to post back.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 2:31 PM Mark at Lorimark <
> m...@lorimarksolutions.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > You can post an image as an attachment to your email, it will be
> > > available to the group here.
> > >
> > > ~w:http://www.lorimarksolutions.com
> > >
> > > On 1/11/24 13:00, Jack Slater wrote:
> > > > Is there a way I post the image?
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Jack Slater]

Bingo! Thats me in a nutshell!

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 9:53 PM john  wrote:

> Adrien,
>
> Have a look at https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799093
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
> > On Jan 11, 2024, at 19:22, Adrien Monteleone <
> adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:
> >
> > In 10+ years of GnuCash, I've never once seen a transaction appear that
> I didn't put there myself.
> >
> > -
> > Someone else reported an error with an XML lib not long ago. It might be
> the same one. If I recall correctly, this would have been after the 5.5
> release. As far as I remember, it generated a crash, but not 'rogue'
> transactions.
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> > On 1/11/24 4:27 PM, Jack Slater wrote:
> >> My last post wrote how I had in fact done a hard save after each entry
> down
> >> to the point where I had to delete the "rogue" system generated
> transaction
> >> and it crashed again. So reboot again. Start GnC. Reconcile the last
> >> account I was doing. Scanned for the "rogue" transaction and it was in
> fact
> >> gone. Went through the reconcile transactions and completed
> successfully.
> >> Closed GnC. I'll be curious next Thursday to see what happens again.
> >> The last error message is attached.
> >> Any suggestions on what happened or what to check that I (none coder
> tech
> >> guy) please feel free to post back.
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Jack Slater]

Seems doubtful I'm sure but I know for a fact I didn't enter these. More
than once, I made 1 single entry, switched back to the reconcile and saw 2
entries, sometimes with a different amount.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 9:25 PM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> In 10+ years of GnuCash, I've never once seen a transaction appear that
> I didn't put there myself.
>
> -
> Someone else reported an error with an XML lib not long ago. It might be
> the same one. If I recall correctly, this would have been after the 5.5
> release. As far as I remember, it generated a crash, but not 'rogue'
> transactions.
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 1/11/24 4:27 PM, Jack Slater wrote:
> > My last post wrote how I had in fact done a hard save after each entry
> down
> > to the point where I had to delete the "rogue" system generated
> transaction
> > and it crashed again. So reboot again. Start GnC. Reconcile the last
> > account I was doing. Scanned for the "rogue" transaction and it was in
> fact
> > gone. Went through the reconcile transactions and completed successfully.
> > Closed GnC. I'll be curious next Thursday to see what happens again.
> >
> > The last error message is attached.
> >
> > Any suggestions on what happened or what to check that I (none coder tech
> > guy) please feel free to post back.
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Jack Slater]

Thank you Jim!

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 5:48 PM Jim DeLaHunt  wrote:

> Jack:
>
> On 2024-01-11 09:11, Jack Slater wrote:
> > 90 minutes of reconciling down the drain with a crash near the end of the
> > final account
> My commiserations. Yes, it is maddening to lose 90 minutes of work when
> the tech decides to fail you.
> > ... Oddly, even though GnuC auto saves periodically, it seems
> > none of any add/delete/balance transactions were saved in any account!
> Why
> > would that be
>
> I can think of several interesting directions you could take this thread:
>
> Why didn't GnuCash seem to preserve any of the changes in my 90 minutes
> of work?
>
> How can I change my workflow so that I lose less work when the tech
> decides to fail me?
>
> How can I improve the way I write message to this list, so that I get
> more helpful answers?
>
> How can I stop these tech failures from happening?
>
> On that last point, I can offer two concrete suggestions:
>
> 1. GnuCash has a "Check and Repair" feature which is useful to try when
> you are concerned about "rogue" transactions and such. Try going to the
> Accounts tab of the main window, and select menu item Actions -- Check
> and Repair -- Repair All. This menu is described a little in the GnuCash
> manual, section 4.2.1.4. "Account Tree - Actions Menu", at
> <
> https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-manual/gui-acct-tree.html#AccTree-actions-menu
> >.
>
> 2. The text in your "Entry Point Not Found" dialogue, which GnuCash
> displays when it crashes, has been discussed on this list recently.  It
> is described in a bug report at
> . It is suspected to be
> problem from GnuCash 5.4 leaving pieces behind when GnuCash 5.5
> installs. There is a workaround there:
>
> a. Use the File Explorer to open "C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\"
>
> b. If there is a file named "libxmlsec1.dll" present, but no file named
> "libxmlsec.dll", then rename file "libxmlsec1.dll" to the name
> "libxmlsec.dll" (without the trailing "1").
>
> I do not use GnuCash on Windows, so I have no experience with this
> problem. I only know what I read. If you ask this list directly about
> how to work around this bug, Windows users may be able to give you
> better help.
>
> I hope this helps,
>   —Jim DeLaHunt
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[Adrien Monteleone]

Indeed, I should have tested it prior to commenting.

Apologies for the noise.

At the very least, being able to do math here with a result would be a 
good RFE.


I would only expect formulas to remain as formulas if they contain 
variables which require a prompt for value.


Regards,
Adrien

On 1/12/24 12:18 AM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:

I am pretty sure I tried that, but it didn't actually do the calculation in the 
SX window. Which makes sense, I think, because that window allows formulas that 
get processed at runtime.


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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[Adrien Monteleone]

I am not unsympathetic to that conundrum!

Regards,
Adrien

On 1/12/24 12:23 AM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:

if I have to remember to run the SLR in order to have them created, then I've 
just changed the work, not reduced it.


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Re: [GNC] List of fields checked by importer when matching transactions

[GNUCash via gnucash-user]

Perhaps related to your question.
I did notice as I was closing last quarter that in the GNU Cash latest version 
something seems to have changed with the importer matching.
I create my own CSV files in Python based on the export from suppliers/payments.
I had to change the Transfer memo field I believe, to match either the Memo 
field or the description field. Else transactions no longer matched. Before, I 
could have different texts there.

Etienne
On 11 Jan 2024 at 18:01 +0100, John Haiducek , wrote:
> Checking "Clear" (or "Update+Clear") doesn't work in my case. When I check
> those it says "Match missing!", even for cases where every imported field
> is identical to an existing transaction.
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:44 AM Gyle McCollam  wrote:
>
> > I've been having the same issue with qfx/ofx files, but I find when I
> > click on the clear check box it finds the matching transaction. You might
> > want to try that.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> >
> >
> >
> >  Original message 
> > From: John Haiducek 
> > Date: 1/11/24 10:43 AM (GMT-05:00)
> > To: GNU Cash User 
> > Subject: [GNC] List of fields checked by importer when matching
> > transactions
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is there a list somewhere of what fields are checked by the importer when
> > matching transactions? I'm trying to import a CSV file that contains
> > already-existing transactions and the importer is failing to detect them
> > (there are hundreds so I don't want to manually de-select them all).
> >
> > John
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Liz]

On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 11:11:13 -0600
Jack Slater  wrote:

> 90 minutes of reconciling down the drain with a crash near the end of
> the final account. Oddly, even though GnuC auto saves periodically,
> it seems none of any add/delete/balance transactions were saved in
> any account! Why would that be

Please give your OS and your version of Gnucash. It will make it easier
for others to help.

Personally I always save repetitively when reconciling. If its an
account with a lot of transactions I may do a page at a time, and
sometimes less. Every finalised reconciliation I save immediately.

Liz
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