Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[Adrien Monteleone]

I thought that was odd too. It’s probably a translation issue on the wiki which 
also uses that term. I think ‘mirror’ is probably the more widely used of the 
two.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 2:03 AM, David T. via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> Liz,
> 
> Looks good. 
> 
> Just a brief question on terminology: I had never heard the term “reflector” 
> used for these sites. It’s always been called a “mirror.” Which is considered 
> the proper term for these?
> 
> David
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Liz  wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 20:23:21 +
>> Matt Graham  wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry, you are probably all sick of this thread, but can the
>>> unsubscribe process send an email to the person unsubscribing to tell
>>> them "if you have a third party mail thing like Nabble, make sure you
>>> unsubscribe there or you'll keep getting messages "
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks and regards,
>>> Matt
>> 
>> This is what I have just put as unsubscribe text.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You are no longer subscribed to the Gnucash-user list. You can no
>> longer post to the list. If you receive the list mail through Nabble or
>> Gmane or another reflector, you will have to unsubscribe there so that
>> you do not receive any more list emails.
>> 
>> =
>> 
>> 
>> That way you don't all have to unsubscribe and subscribe just so you
>> can read it and tell me if it can be improved.
>> 
>> Liz
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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Liz,

Looks good. 

Just a brief question on terminology: I had never heard the term “reflector” 
used for these sites. It’s always been called a “mirror.” Which is considered 
the proper term for these?

David

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Liz  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 20:23:21 +
> Matt Graham  wrote:
> 
>> Sorry, you are probably all sick of this thread, but can the
>> unsubscribe process send an email to the person unsubscribing to tell
>> them "if you have a third party mail thing like Nabble, make sure you
>> unsubscribe there or you'll keep getting messages "
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks and regards,
>> Matt
> 
> This is what I have just put as unsubscribe text.
> 
> 
> 
> You are no longer subscribed to the Gnucash-user list. You can no
> longer post to the list. If you receive the list mail through Nabble or
> Gmane or another reflector, you will have to unsubscribe there so that
> you do not receive any more list emails.
> 
> =
> 
> 
> That way you don't all have to unsubscribe and subscribe just so you
> can read it and tell me if it can be improved.
> 
> Liz
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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[Liz]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 20:23:21 +
Matt Graham  wrote:

> Sorry, you are probably all sick of this thread, but can the
> unsubscribe process send an email to the person unsubscribing to tell
> them "if you have a third party mail thing like Nabble, make sure you
> unsubscribe there or you'll keep getting messages "
> 
> 
> Thanks and regards,
> Matt

This is what I have just put as unsubscribe text.



You are no longer subscribed to the Gnucash-user list. You can no
longer post to the list. If you receive the list mail through Nabble or
Gmane or another reflector, you will have to unsubscribe there so that
you do not receive any more list emails.

=


That way you don't all have to unsubscribe and subscribe just so you
can read it and tell me if it can be improved.

Liz
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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[Adrien Monteleone]

Liz,

It’s under General Options.

Look for Edit_goodbye_msg - that’s where you’ll put that text.

Then be sure to set the next preference, Edit_send_goodbye_msg to ‘yes’ to send 
that text when someone unsubscribes.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Feb 1, 2018, at 3:38 AM, Liz  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 20:23:21 +
> Matt Graham  wrote:
> 
>> Sorry, you are probably all sick of this thread, but can the
>> unsubscribe process send an email to the person unsubscribing to tell
>> them "if you have a third party mail thing like Nabble, make sure you
>> unsubscribe there or you'll keep getting messages "
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks and regards,
>> Matt
> 
> Good point
> I've definitely seen that place in the mailman setup. Changing the
> footer was harder to find.
> 
> Liz
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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[Liz]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 20:23:21 +
Matt Graham  wrote:

> Sorry, you are probably all sick of this thread, but can the
> unsubscribe process send an email to the person unsubscribing to tell
> them "if you have a third party mail thing like Nabble, make sure you
> unsubscribe there or you'll keep getting messages "
> 
> 
> Thanks and regards,
> Matt

Good point
I've definitely seen that place in the mailman setup. Changing the
footer was harder to find.

Liz
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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[GWB]

It also appears an "unsubscribe" button would not work with mailman
(or most mail lists), because most of them send in text only, and few
allow html or scripts (for good reason).  So forget about the
MailChimp type of button.  It would also have no effect on nabble,
etc.

Gordon

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 9:55 PM, Adrien Monteleone
 wrote:
> This is just getting silly.
>
> Scott,
>
> We can’t remove you.
>
> Read the footer of this e-mail and follow the instructions.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
>> On Jan 30, 2018, at 9:48 PM, Scott Stevens  wrote:
>>
>> Please remove my me as well.
>>
>> Thank you to the community for all I've learned from this group!
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2018 6:30 PM, "Megagrumpy"  wrote:
>>
>>> Tried to do it myself but going around in circles!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[Adrien Monteleone]

This is just getting silly.

Scott,

We can’t remove you.

Read the footer of this e-mail and follow the instructions.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jan 30, 2018, at 9:48 PM, Scott Stevens  wrote:
> 
> Please remove my me as well.
> 
> Thank you to the community for all I've learned from this group!
> 
> On Jan 25, 2018 6:30 PM, "Megagrumpy"  wrote:
> 
>> Tried to do it myself but going around in circles!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[Adrien Monteleone]

Yes, sort of.

I found these instructions for Mailman 
(http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node14.html):

Using the email interface:

• Open a mail program which sends mail from the address you want to 
unsubscribe.
• Send a mail to the list unsubscribe address, which will be of the 
form LISTNAME-leave@DOMAIN. The subject and body of this message will be 
ignored, so it doesn't matter what you put there.
After following one of these sets of instructions (you don't need to do both!), 
you will be sent a confirmation mail and must follow the instructions given in 
that mail to complete the unsubscription. This is to stop people from 
unsubscribing you without your permission. In addition, a moderator may need to 
approve your unsubscription.

---

In our case, that would be gnucash-user-le...@gnucash.org which would do the 
trick. I suppose that could be included as a mailto: link in the footer with 
instructions to ‘click this link and hit send’

I’d think though sending them to the wiki page with a screen shot for 
instructions with giant red arrows should be sufficient.

I recall some old lists I used to be on that you could send the list an email 
with ‘unsubscribe’ in the subject or body and it would do the trick. I’m not 
sure if that was part of the list software or not, but I recall there were 
other commands you could send that way, so it probably was.

Otherwise, you’d need some sort of script to parse the email and either perform 
the action, or redirect the mail to that -leave address which would complete 
the process. But that’s just getting to be too much work.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jan 30, 2018, at 9:22 PM, David T. via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> We have spent a heck of a lot of bandwidth on this topic, and we seem to do 
> so every time someone sends one of these unsubscribe requests.
> I personally agree with Derek that it is a hopeless and thankless task to 
> account for all the possibilities, and I would rather find a different 
> solution than editing the note on every message that no one ever reads 
> anyway. 
> Is there any way to set a mail rule for messages with "unsubscrib*" in the 
> subject line, such that they receive the information automatically from the 
> server, and NOT send them to the list at all? I am frankly tired of having 
> this discussion over and over again. 
> 
> David
> 
> 
>  On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 4:18, Greg Feneis wrote:   Hi, 
> Just a thought about the footer and the wiki.
> 
> The footer directs the reader to update their subscription prefs or unsub
> at lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucashuser-user
> 
> It also now directs Nabble or Gmane users to
> wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information.
> 
> Since the link to the wiki also has a link to the mailing list, perhaps
> make the footer just lead the reader to the wiki page.  Then embellish the
> wiki page as needed.
>   As things change, if more mirrors are supported, etc. or if ppl get
> stuck, instructions could be added or removed or enhanced in this wiki page.
> 
> I'm thinking this would help keep the help footer small, which will help
> make the CC this list Reply ALL request much more prominent.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Greg Feneis
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:18 AM, Derek Atkins  wrote:
> 
>> Liz  writes:
>> 
>>> On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:11:25 -0600
>>> David Carlson  wrote:
>>> 
 In that regard, where-ever there are instructions about subscribing
 and un-subscribing it would be useful to have a link to the Nabble
 mirror, if it is appropriate to call it that.
 
 David C
>>> 
>>> There isn't a place on the default mailman pages to put that. I'm sure
>>> Derek will say "patches welcome"
>> 
>> Actully, no.  IMHO, there are just too many potential mirrors out there
>> to list them all.  Tomorrow a new one could come along and provide the
>> same service.  I think it's safe to say "Other services mirror the
>> GnuCash list (e.g., nabble, gmane, etc).  These services are not under
>> the control of the GnuCash team and if you use them you must unsubscribe
>> from them."But that's a mouthful, and I honestly don't know how to
>> say "don't be a bonehead" more succinctly (and less causticly)  ;)
>> 
>>> :)
>> 
>> I see you did make a change.  Perhaps something more like, "If you use
>> an external list service (e.g. Nabble, Gmane, etc) please see
>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information."  ??
>> 
>>> Liz
>> 
>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
>> 
>> -derek
>> 
>> --
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>> Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board  (SIPB)
>> URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/   PP-ASEL-IAN1NWH
>> warl...@mit.edu 

Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[GWB]

My favourite was a mailing list some years back which, when receiving
"list-unsubscribe" in the body of the email, would literally subscribe
the email address to a "list-unsubscribe" mailing list, which would
send the messages of those attempting to unsubscribe to each other.
But not to the list or the admins.

This was pure evil.

I don't suppose it can hurt to add yet another explicit section
(perhaps "How Remove Oneself From This Mailing List"?).  Mailing lists
are not intuitive for most people (me included).  But as already said,
no one at gnucash.org can give advice or instructions for any service
other than gnucash.org.

Or, perhaps, create a new list:

gnucash-unsubscribe

Just kidding.  Or, perhaps not; if gnucash-unsubscribe would send
nothing more than an automated reply with instructions, and then
unsubscribe the email address from itself, that might work.

But that seems needlessly complicated, and doesn't something like that
happen anyway if you fill out the "unsubscribe or edit options" box
at:

https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user

I have never tried it.  Is there an auto reply when users try to
unsubscribe?  Does it mention that the use must also unsubscribe
separately at any mailing list reflectors such as Nabble?
"unsubscribe" usually generates an auto reply, but I don't know if
Mailman let's you edit that template.

By the way, if you search for the term "unsubscribe" on the list using
Google or Pipermail, it gives you (of course) a vast number of
results, because "unsubscribe" appears in the footer of most of the
emails that go through the list:

<<
To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe:
https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information.
>>

I don't know how you would make that more obvious, unless you were to
include an "Unsubscribe" button like MailChimp does.

Gordon

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Greg Feneis  wrote:
> Hi, Just a thought about the footer and the wiki.
>
> The footer directs the reader to update their subscription prefs or unsub
> at lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucashuser-user
>
> It also now directs Nabble or Gmane users to
> wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information.
>
> Since the link to the wiki also has a link to the mailing list, perhaps
> make the footer just lead the reader to the wiki page.  Then embellish the
> wiki page as needed.
>   As things change, if more mirrors are supported, etc. or if ppl get
> stuck, instructions could be added or removed or enhanced in this wiki page.
>
> I'm thinking this would help keep the help footer small, which will help
> make the CC this list Reply ALL request much more prominent.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Greg Feneis
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:18 AM, Derek Atkins  wrote:
>
>> Liz  writes:
>>
>> > On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:11:25 -0600
>> > David Carlson  wrote:
>> >
>> >> In that regard, where-ever there are instructions about subscribing
>> >> and un-subscribing it would be useful to have a link to the Nabble
>> >> mirror, if it is appropriate to call it that.
>> >>
>> >> David C
>> >
>> > There isn't a place on the default mailman pages to put that. I'm sure
>> > Derek will say "patches welcome"
>>
>> Actully, no.  IMHO, there are just too many potential mirrors out there
>> to list them all.  Tomorrow a new one could come along and provide the
>> same service.  I think it's safe to say "Other services mirror the
>> GnuCash list (e.g., nabble, gmane, etc).  These services are not under
>> the control of the GnuCash team and if you use them you must unsubscribe
>> from them."But that's a mouthful, and I honestly don't know how to
>> say "don't be a bonehead" more succinctly (and less causticly)  ;)
>>
>> > :)
>>
>> I see you did make a change.  Perhaps something more like, "If you use
>> an external list service (e.g. Nabble, Gmane, etc) please see
>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information."  ??
>>
>> > Liz
>>
>> > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
>> > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
>>
>> -derek
>>
>> --
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>>Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board  (SIPB)
>>URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH
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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[David T. via gnucash-user]

We have spent a heck of a lot of bandwidth on this topic, and we seem to do so 
every time someone sends one of these unsubscribe requests.
I personally agree with Derek that it is a hopeless and thankless task to 
account for all the possibilities, and I would rather find a different solution 
than editing the note on every message that no one ever reads anyway. 
Is there any way to set a mail rule for messages with "unsubscrib*" in the 
subject line, such that they receive the information automatically from the 
server, and NOT send them to the list at all? I am frankly tired of having this 
discussion over and over again. 

David
 
 
  On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 4:18, Greg Feneis wrote:   Hi, 
Just a thought about the footer and the wiki.

The footer directs the reader to update their subscription prefs or unsub
at lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucashuser-user

It also now directs Nabble or Gmane users to
wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information.

Since the link to the wiki also has a link to the mailing list, perhaps
make the footer just lead the reader to the wiki page.  Then embellish the
wiki page as needed.
  As things change, if more mirrors are supported, etc. or if ppl get
stuck, instructions could be added or removed or enhanced in this wiki page.

I'm thinking this would help keep the help footer small, which will help
make the CC this list Reply ALL request much more prominent.







Kind regards,

Greg Feneis



On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:18 AM, Derek Atkins  wrote:

> Liz  writes:
>
> > On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:11:25 -0600
> > David Carlson  wrote:
> >
> >> In that regard, where-ever there are instructions about subscribing
> >> and un-subscribing it would be useful to have a link to the Nabble
> >> mirror, if it is appropriate to call it that.
> >>
> >> David C
> >
> > There isn't a place on the default mailman pages to put that. I'm sure
> > Derek will say "patches welcome"
>
> Actully, no.  IMHO, there are just too many potential mirrors out there
> to list them all.  Tomorrow a new one could come along and provide the
> same service.  I think it's safe to say "Other services mirror the
> GnuCash list (e.g., nabble, gmane, etc).  These services are not under
> the control of the GnuCash team and if you use them you must unsubscribe
> from them."    But that's a mouthful, and I honestly don't know how to
> say "don't be a bonehead" more succinctly (and less causticly)  ;)
>
> > :)
>
> I see you did make a change.  Perhaps something more like, "If you use
> an external list service (e.g. Nabble, Gmane, etc) please see
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information."  ??
>
> > Liz
>
> > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
> > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
>
> -derek
>
> --
>        Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory
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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[Greg Feneis]

Hi, Just a thought about the footer and the wiki.

The footer directs the reader to update their subscription prefs or unsub
at lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucashuser-user

It also now directs Nabble or Gmane users to
wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information.

Since the link to the wiki also has a link to the mailing list, perhaps
make the footer just lead the reader to the wiki page.  Then embellish the
wiki page as needed.
  As things change, if more mirrors are supported, etc. or if ppl get
stuck, instructions could be added or removed or enhanced in this wiki page.

I'm thinking this would help keep the help footer small, which will help
make the CC this list Reply ALL request much more prominent.







Kind regards,

Greg Feneis



On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:18 AM, Derek Atkins  wrote:

> Liz  writes:
>
> > On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:11:25 -0600
> > David Carlson  wrote:
> >
> >> In that regard, where-ever there are instructions about subscribing
> >> and un-subscribing it would be useful to have a link to the Nabble
> >> mirror, if it is appropriate to call it that.
> >>
> >> David C
> >
> > There isn't a place on the default mailman pages to put that. I'm sure
> > Derek will say "patches welcome"
>
> Actully, no.  IMHO, there are just too many potential mirrors out there
> to list them all.  Tomorrow a new one could come along and provide the
> same service.  I think it's safe to say "Other services mirror the
> GnuCash list (e.g., nabble, gmane, etc).  These services are not under
> the control of the GnuCash team and if you use them you must unsubscribe
> from them."But that's a mouthful, and I honestly don't know how to
> say "don't be a bonehead" more succinctly (and less causticly)  ;)
>
> > :)
>
> I see you did make a change.  Perhaps something more like, "If you use
> an external list service (e.g. Nabble, Gmane, etc) please see
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information."  ??
>
> > Liz
>
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>
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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[Derek Atkins]

Liz  writes:

> I put this person on "Moderation" + "No Mail" which disconnects this
> person from Gnucash Mailman sent mail. As this person then tried to
> reply and was caught in the moderation queue, it's not mail from here
> which they are receiving.
> However, it does confirm that they were unable to unsubscribe,
> describing "going in circles". 
> As this person needs to unsubscribe from Nabble to avoid inwards mail
> from this list, we do need to document this somewhere.

I don't understand why it is *our* problem that users cannot unsubscribe
from an external service that we don't control?  Keep in mind that a new
service can pop up tomorrow, and another one the next day.  At what
point do we stop being responsible for these third-party services that
we have no control over?  What if someone set up an actual List<->NNTP
gateway, and then yet another party set up a different NNTP<->SecondList
gateway?  My head hurts just thinking about supporting all those
third-party configurations!

> Liz

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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[Derek Atkins]

Liz  writes:

> On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:11:25 -0600
> David Carlson  wrote:
>
>> In that regard, where-ever there are instructions about subscribing
>> and un-subscribing it would be useful to have a link to the Nabble
>> mirror, if it is appropriate to call it that.
>> 
>> David C
>
> There isn't a place on the default mailman pages to put that. I'm sure
> Derek will say "patches welcome"

Actully, no.  IMHO, there are just too many potential mirrors out there
to list them all.  Tomorrow a new one could come along and provide the
same service.  I think it's safe to say "Other services mirror the
GnuCash list (e.g., nabble, gmane, etc).  These services are not under
the control of the GnuCash team and if you use them you must unsubscribe
from them."But that's a mouthful, and I honestly don't know how to
say "don't be a bonehead" more succinctly (and less causticly)  ;)

> :)

I see you did make a change.  Perhaps something more like, "If you use
an external list service (e.g. Nabble, Gmane, etc) please see
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information."  ??

> Liz

> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.

-derek

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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[Geert Janssens]

These changes look good to me. Thanks!

Geert

Op zondag 28 januari 2018 09:52:50 CET schreef Liz:
> I've made some changes to the FAQ, the Wiki and to the footer. You may
> have more suggestions for me.
> 
> Liz


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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[Liz]

On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 12:36:55 +0100
"Frank H. Ellenberger"  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Am 26.01.2018 um 23:53 schrieb Adrien Monteleone:
> > I suppose you’re referring to this:
> >   
> >> ___
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> >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
> >> -
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> > 
> > I would think altering this to say:
> >   
> >> ___
> >> gnucash-user mailing list
> >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> >>
> >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe:
> >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
> >>
> >> To do the same if you’re using Nabble:
> >> (insert link here)  
> 
> To do the same if you’re using Gmane:
> (insert link here)
> To do the same if you’re using whoever mirrors the list else:
> (insert link here)
> 
> >> -
> >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
> >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.  
> > 
> > 
> > would do the trick.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Adrien  
> :
>  I think it should be more general.
> 
> Regards
> Frank

I've made some changes to the FAQ, the Wiki and to the footer. You may
have more suggestions for me.

Liz
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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[Geert Janssens]

Op vrijdag 26 januari 2018 23:53:29 CET schreef Adrien Monteleone:
> I suppose you’re referring to this:
> > ___
> > gnucash-user mailing list
> > gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
> > -
> > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
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> 
> I would think altering this to say:
> > ___
> > gnucash-user mailing list
> > gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> > 
> > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe:
> > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
> > 
> > To do the same if you’re using Nabble:
> > (insert link here)
> > -
> > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
> > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
> 
> would do the trick.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
I would prefer that the bit about nabble in addition would politely but 
clearly state the nabble interface to the lists is not managed by the gnucash 
project and that the user should contact nabble support for further help.

I just don't know how to express that in nice English with fewer words to keep 
the added footer more compact.

Geert


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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[Adrien Monteleone]

I suppose you’re referring to this:

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> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
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I would think altering this to say:

> ___
> gnucash-user mailing list
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> 
> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe:
> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
> 
> To do the same if you’re using Nabble:
> (insert link here)
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would do the trick.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jan 26, 2018, at 11:57 AM, Greg Feneis  wrote:
> 
> I think that's already being used, hence the link at the bottom of every
> email I get.
> 
> Perhaps just needs an update?
> 
> Kind regards, Greg Feneis
> (Galaxy S5)
> 
> On Jan 26, 2018 2:22 AM, "Adonay Felipe Nogueira" 
> wrote:
> 
>> I have been a mailing list administrator for libreplanet-br for a year
>> now, and I recall that there is a place to put general text in the
>> mailing list description/listinfo page and in the footer of the email
>> message. Perhaps they can make use of that to post a link saying "hey,
>> if you use Nabble, the unsubscription must be done this way: ...".
>> 
>> 2018-01-26T13:26:23+1100 Liz wrote:
>>> There isn't a place on the default mailman pages to put that. I'm sure
>>> Derek will say "patches welcome"
>>> 
>>> :)
>>> 
>>> Liz
>> 
>> --
>> - https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno
>> - Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (não confundir com
>>  gratis).
>> - "WhatsApp"? Ele não é livre. Por favor, veja formas de se comunicar
>>  instantaneamente comigo no endereço abaixo.
>> - Contato: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno#vCard
>> - Arquivos comuns aceitos (apenas sem DRM): Corel Draw, Microsoft
>>  Office, MP3, MP4, WMA, WMV.
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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[Greg Feneis]

I think that's already being used, hence the link at the bottom of every
email I get.

Perhaps just needs an update?

Kind regards, Greg Feneis
(Galaxy S5)

On Jan 26, 2018 2:22 AM, "Adonay Felipe Nogueira" 
wrote:

> I have been a mailing list administrator for libreplanet-br for a year
> now, and I recall that there is a place to put general text in the
> mailing list description/listinfo page and in the footer of the email
> message. Perhaps they can make use of that to post a link saying "hey,
> if you use Nabble, the unsubscription must be done this way: ...".
>
> 2018-01-26T13:26:23+1100 Liz wrote:
> > There isn't a place on the default mailman pages to put that. I'm sure
> > Derek will say "patches welcome"
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Liz
>
> --
> - https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno
> - Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (não confundir com
>   gratis).
> - "WhatsApp"? Ele não é livre. Por favor, veja formas de se comunicar
>   instantaneamente comigo no endereço abaixo.
> - Contato: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno#vCard
> - Arquivos comuns aceitos (apenas sem DRM): Corel Draw, Microsoft
>   Office, MP3, MP4, WMA, WMV.
> - Arquivos comuns aceitos e enviados: CSV, GNU Dia, GNU Emacs Org, GNU
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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[Liz]

On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:11:25 -0600
David Carlson  wrote:

> In that regard, where-ever there are instructions about subscribing
> and un-subscribing it would be useful to have a link to the Nabble
> mirror, if it is appropriate to call it that.
> 
> David C

There isn't a place on the default mailman pages to put that. I'm sure
Derek will say "patches welcome"

:)

Liz
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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[David Carlson]

In that regard, where-ever there are instructions about subscribing and
un-subscribing it would be useful to have a link to the Nabble mirror, if
it is appropriate to call it that.

David C



On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 3:41 PM, Geert Janssens 
wrote:

> Op donderdag 25 januari 2018 22:31:26 CET schreef Adrien Monteleone:
> > If he successfully unsubscribes, how does he report back?
> >
> > I guess he could re-subscribe, report, then unsubscribe again.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> We have a list moderator that could manually allow the message to pass
> even if
> the original poster has now unsubscribed. Particularly as someone on list
> asked about it.
>
> Geert
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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[Tommy Trussell]

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If he successfully unsubscribes, how does he report back?
>
> I guess he could re-subscribe, report, then unsubscribe again.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>


if he's using Nabble he can report back without being subscribed to the
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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[Adrien Monteleone]

If he successfully unsubscribes, how does he report back?

I guess he could re-subscribe, report, then unsubscribe again.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jan 25, 2018, at 2:58 PM, Tommy Trussell  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 3:27 AM, Megagrumpy  wrote:
> 
>> Tried to do it myself but going around in circles!
>> 
>> 
>> --
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> 
> 
> Greg Feneis just sent an image showing you how to unsubscribe from the
> mailing list. IF you cannot get that to work, I note that you're apparently
> reading this list through Nabble, which is a completely separate service
> that mirrors the list and duplicates some of the functionality of the
> OFFICIAL GnuCash list. You may actually be getting your email messages from
> THEM, instead. I clicked the link at the bottom of your message (that came
> through the GnuCash email list) and noticed the Nabble site includes a
> similar email subscribe/unsubscribe page.
> 
> I hope you'll report back and let the list know in case this is helpful to
> others.
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[Tommy Trussell]

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 3:27 AM, Megagrumpy  wrote:

> Tried to do it myself but going around in circles!
>
>
> --
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Greg Feneis just sent an image showing you how to unsubscribe from the
mailing list. IF you cannot get that to work, I note that you're apparently
reading this list through Nabble, which is a completely separate service
that mirrors the list and duplicates some of the functionality of the
OFFICIAL GnuCash list. You may actually be getting your email messages from
THEM, instead. I clicked the link at the bottom of your message (that came
through the GnuCash email list) and noticed the Nabble site includes a
similar email subscribe/unsubscribe page.

I hope you'll report back and let the list know in case this is helpful to
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Please remove me from the mailing list

[Megagrumpy]

Tried to do it myself but going around in circles!





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