Re: [GNC] Budgeting loans

[Andy Pastuszak]

That's what I did.  I made an assett account for each of my loan payments
(1 mortgage, 2 car payments.)  Would be nice if GnuCash was able to handle
this internally somehow.  I'm trying to do a "budget to zero" approach and
the loan payments were my last holdup.

Andy

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 12:19 AM, Dale Alspach  wrote:

> I think something like the following will work.
>
> You need to create two off-setting accounts: Mortgage Payable
> (liability) and a sub-account Mortgage Payment (asset).
> You would not budget Mortgage Payable, Mortgage Interest (expense) or
> Mortgage (liability).
> A typical payment transaction where the payment is $1000 = $200
> principal plus $800 interest would be
> Credit Checking $1000
> Debit Mortgage $200
> Debit Mortgage Interest $800
> Debit Mortgage Payable $1000
> Credit Mortgage Payment $1000.
>
> If your lender has given you a schedule with breakdown of each payment
> or you use schedule transactions then you may want to enter this as two
> transactions.
> Debit Mortgage $200
> Debit Mortgage Interest $800
> Credit Mortgage Payment $1000
>
> Credit Checking $1000
> Debit Mortgage Payable $1000
>
> Dale
>
> On 04/06/2018 10:12 PM, Andy Pastuszak wrote:
> > Budget it to what account?
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 11:09 PM, Dale Alspach  > > wrote:
> >
> > I suggest just budgeting the total payment. Most budgeting issues are
> > actually cash flow so the total payment is the important number.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > On 04/06/2018 09:07 PM, Andy Pastuszak wrote:
> > > I came up with an idea.  I created and asset account called
> Mortgage
> > > Payment, and do a transfer of my monthly mortgage payment to that
> > account.
> > > In that account register, I do 2 transactions, one that pays the
> > mortgage
> > > and one that pays the principal.  Need to tinker and see how this
> > works for
> > > budgeting.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 9:22 PM, Andy Pastuszak
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'm trying to find the best way to budget a loan.  The principal
> and
> > >> interest of the loan changes every month as you make payments, so
> > it's kind
> > >> of tough to budget them without being forced to adjust the budget
> > amount
> > >> every single month.  Is there some kind of "best practice" for
> > budgeting
> > >> loans?
> > >>
> > >> Andy Pastuszak
> > >>
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Re: [GNC] future of custom reports in 3.x

[Amish]

I wonder the same too. Although new reports are enough for me now.

But I had to delete lots of old custom reports because they no more 
worked (or compiled)


But in future I may want to have my own custom reports.

I wish there was GnuCash library with we could simply call 
Gnc_LoadFile("path") and then we could also do all the magical things 
that GnuCash does!


Amish

On Sunday 08 April 2018 02:38 PM, Saša Janiška wrote:

Hello,

while having problems to load certain (ytd-budget.scm) report in 2.6.20
under (Fedora) Linux i nthe attempt to return back to GnuCash from
(h)ledger, I wonder if there is some plan in regard to the future of
custom reports, iow. is it still recommended to learn some Scheme in
order to achieve/tweak  what is missing, do you envision using Python or
something else suitable to enable end-users write custom reports (more)
easily?


Sincerely,
Gour



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[GNC] "No suitable backend" error for database backed gnucash file

[coolnodje]

Using Gnucash on MacOS, I got this error trying to open a recently
created file which I think I based on a database back-end instead of the
standard.

I have upgraded to 3.0 in the meantime and thought it was the problem.

But I realized when I finally was able to start a v2.6.20 on an older
MacOS10.12 virtual machine that I still had the problem.
Which means that this is all unrelated to the 3.0 upgrade.

I've tried to revert the file to an older version (prior to the last
modification, so prior to the last successful opening) but got the same
error.
This really confuses me:

- the file as it was the last time it was successfully modified cannot
be opened (which should exclude file corruption problem)

- the latest version on latest MacOS can't open it because "No suitable
backend", but 2.6.20 on MacOS10.12 also can't open it because "No
suitable backend".

So if the file itself is not the problem, and if version that used to be
able to open it can't anymore, where could the problem come from?

Only I wasn't able to reproduce the error with the exact same setup I
had when last successfully modified: trying to reinstall 2.6.20 on
MacOS10.13 I realized it can't be started anymore (Gnucash can't be
opened because of a problem - DYLD, [0x4] Symbol missing)

Is there anything I can do to try to save the file in question?

- nodje


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Re: [GNC] "No suitable backend" error for database backed gnucash file

[David Carlson]

Did you verify that you had the back end installed?  see
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#SQL_Database


David C

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 7:10 AM, coolnodje  wrote:

> Using Gnucash on MacOS, I got this error trying to open a recently
> created file which I think I based on a database back-end instead of the
> standard.
>
> I have upgraded to 3.0 in the meantime and thought it was the problem.
>
> But I realized when I finally was able to start a v2.6.20 on an older
> MacOS10.12 virtual machine that I still had the problem.
> Which means that this is all unrelated to the 3.0 upgrade.
>
> I've tried to revert the file to an older version (prior to the last
> modification, so prior to the last successful opening) but got the same
> error.
> This really confuses me:
>
> - the file as it was the last time it was successfully modified cannot
> be opened (which should exclude file corruption problem)
>
> - the latest version on latest MacOS can't open it because "No suitable
> backend", but 2.6.20 on MacOS10.12 also can't open it because "No
> suitable backend".
>
> So if the file itself is not the problem, and if version that used to be
> able to open it can't anymore, where could the problem come from?
>
> Only I wasn't able to reproduce the error with the exact same setup I
> had when last successfully modified: trying to reinstall 2.6.20 on
> MacOS10.13 I realized it can't be started anymore (Gnucash can't be
> opened because of a problem - DYLD, [0x4] Symbol missing)
>
> Is there anything I can do to try to save the file in question?
>
> - nodje
>
>
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Re: [GNC] What is earliest version of Ubuntu for which building GnuCASH 3.0 is possible?

[Steve Cohen]

On 04/07/2018 09:50 PM, John Ralls wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Steve Cohen > > wrote:
>>
>> On 04/07/2018 09:38 AM, John Ralls wrote:
>>>
>>>
 On Apr 6, 2018, at 8:06 PM, Steve Cohen 
 > wrote:

 On 04/06/2018 02:39 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>
>
>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 12:34 PM, Steve Cohen > 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> On 04/06/2018 02:22 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>>>
>>>
 On Apr 6, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Steve Cohen 
 > wrote:

 I'm newly retired and have some time ...
 I have Ubuntu 14.0.4. I'm running GnuCash 2.6.1.

 But if I'm willing to build, is there any inherent reason why
 building
 3.0 will fail in this environment?  If not, I'll be willing to
 make the
 effort.  I'd be glad for any information about bumps in the road I
 should know about in advance.

>>>
>>> We're using 14.04 for one of the CI builds, so you shouldn't have
>>> any trouble. You might want to examine 
>>> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/unstable/util/ci/ubuntu-14.04-docker
>>> to copy the packages you need to install.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John Ralls
>>>
>>>
>> Thank you John.  I'm noticing that the README file (from within
>> the 3.0
>> tarball) is for version 2.6.x.  Are more recent build instructions
>> available elsewhere?
>
> The best current build instructions are cmake/README_CMAKE.txt.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>
 Thanks!
 After a few hours of false starts, I managed to build GnuCash 3.0 on my
 Ubuntu 14.0.4 system.

 I had to use this command line:

 cmake -D ALLOW_OLD_GETTEXT=ON -D GTEST_ROOT=~/src/gtest/googletest -D
 GMOCK_ROOT=~/src/gtest/googlemock ~/src/gnucash

 The ALLOW_OLD_GETTEXT was necessary because I only had an earlier
 version of gettext and could find no way to install the required version
 without compiling it too and I didn't want to enter that path.  What
 negative features will result from doing this, and is it avoidable under
 this environment?

 I haven't tried installing it yet.  Will it be necessary to uninstall
 the old one first, and what happens to my datafiles if I do that.  In
 other words, what's the upgrade path here?
>>>
>>> For your personal use, no effect at all. It just means that some types
>>> of files don’t have their translatable strings extracted into the
>>> message catalog. That affects only translators working from git instead
>>> of a tarball.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John Ralls
>>>
>> OK, I built it.  It seems to run, look nice, in general, it seems to
>> work.  Haven't given it any difficult test yet.  But, why does the
>> Help->About screen say it's version 2.7.8, when I built from the 3.0
>> tarball?
> 
> Please remember to copy the list on all replies.
> 
> Hmm, it shouldn’t say that. The MacOS build that should be from the same
> tarball says 3.0 on 
> Help->About. Did you get the tarball from SourceForge or Github?
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
I got the tarball from sourceforge: gnucash-3.0.tar.gz: 19,010,065 bytes
from
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnucash/gnucash-3.0.tar.gz.

The link to
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases/download/3.0/gnucash-3.0.tar.gz
downloads a file of the same exact size.

So I'm certainly stumped.

What file in the package contains/produces the version number?
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Re: [GNC] Sending data to my accountant

[Mike or Penny Novack]

On 4/7/2018 7:23 PM, Liz wrote:

ph hermes wrote:

since i have a lot of irrelevant transactions in my account, i prepare
reports that affect my taxes. i have a couple of businesses so i like to
separate them from each other. then i save the reports as pdf files and
send those to my accountant with any cover letter/ extra info.

 ph

People should keep in mind that the format into which you export gnucash 
reports and the format in which you send to an accountant (or present to 
a board) need not be the same.


None of the boards (of the organizations for which I keep books) are 
presented the raw reports as produced by gnucash. I use the DATA of 
those raw reports to produce the finished product. Not really more work 
because that means that I don't have to make the reports exclude 
extraneous data (data that is historical). For example, for the 
organizations that have interns, vendors paid in some previous period, 
etc. there is no reason the board wants to see all these accounts in a 
current report (with the amounts all zero for THIS period). Just as easy 
to remove these in the after edit as to exclude when running the report.


Thus if the accountant wanted reports in PDF, and assuming you have the 
capability to create a PDF from something else, that is simply an after 
step.


Michael D Novack
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[GNC] future of custom reports in 3.x

[Saša Janiška]

Hello,

while having problems to load certain (ytd-budget.scm) report in 2.6.20
under (Fedora) Linux i nthe attempt to return back to GnuCash from
(h)ledger, I wonder if there is some plan in regard to the future of
custom reports, iow. is it still recommended to learn some Scheme in
order to achieve/tweak  what is missing, do you envision using Python or
something else suitable to enable end-users write custom reports (more)
easily?


Sincerely,
Gour

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all of them, but you cannot, O subduer of the enemy!

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Re: [GNC] "No suitable backend" error for database backed gnucash file

[Adrien Monteleone]

If the backend is installed (as it was for me, I simply upgraded GC) then you 
might need to modify the environment file in the 3.0 app’s bundle. Look in this 
month’s archives on the list for a post by me on the same topic. I didn’t get a 
reply, but I found that solution via a bug report that JohnR offered. Sorry I 
don’t have the link handy or the info on the tip of my tongue to save you the 
searching trouble.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 7:33 AM, David Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Did you verify that you had the back end installed?  see
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#SQL_Database
> 
> 
> David C
> 
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 7:10 AM, coolnodje  wrote:
> 
>> Using Gnucash on MacOS, I got this error trying to open a recently
>> created file which I think I based on a database back-end instead of the
>> standard.
>> 
>> I have upgraded to 3.0 in the meantime and thought it was the problem.
>> 
>> But I realized when I finally was able to start a v2.6.20 on an older
>> MacOS10.12 virtual machine that I still had the problem.
>> Which means that this is all unrelated to the 3.0 upgrade.
>> 
>> I've tried to revert the file to an older version (prior to the last
>> modification, so prior to the last successful opening) but got the same
>> error.
>> This really confuses me:
>> 
>> - the file as it was the last time it was successfully modified cannot
>> be opened (which should exclude file corruption problem)
>> 
>> - the latest version on latest MacOS can't open it because "No suitable
>> backend", but 2.6.20 on MacOS10.12 also can't open it because "No
>> suitable backend".
>> 
>> So if the file itself is not the problem, and if version that used to be
>> able to open it can't anymore, where could the problem come from?
>> 
>> Only I wasn't able to reproduce the error with the exact same setup I
>> had when last successfully modified: trying to reinstall 2.6.20 on
>> MacOS10.13 I realized it can't be started anymore (Gnucash can't be
>> opened because of a problem - DYLD, [0x4] Symbol missing)
>> 
>> Is there anything I can do to try to save the file in question?
>> 
>> - nodje
>> 
>> 
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Re: [GNC] "No suitable backend" error for database backed gnucash file

[Adrien Monteleone]

Oh, I found it.

Here’s the link to the bug with a possible solution: 
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=794933

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Adrien Monteleone  
> wrote:
> 
> If the backend is installed (as it was for me, I simply upgraded GC) then you 
> might need to modify the environment file in the 3.0 app’s bundle. Look in 
> this month’s archives on the list for a post by me on the same topic. I 
> didn’t get a reply, but I found that solution via a bug report that JohnR 
> offered. Sorry I don’t have the link handy or the info on the tip of my 
> tongue to save you the searching trouble.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2018, at 7:33 AM, David Carlson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Did you verify that you had the back end installed?  see
>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#SQL_Database
>> 
>> 
>> David C
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 7:10 AM, coolnodje  wrote:
>> 
>>> Using Gnucash on MacOS, I got this error trying to open a recently
>>> created file which I think I based on a database back-end instead of the
>>> standard.
>>> 
>>> I have upgraded to 3.0 in the meantime and thought it was the problem.
>>> 
>>> But I realized when I finally was able to start a v2.6.20 on an older
>>> MacOS10.12 virtual machine that I still had the problem.
>>> Which means that this is all unrelated to the 3.0 upgrade.
>>> 
>>> I've tried to revert the file to an older version (prior to the last
>>> modification, so prior to the last successful opening) but got the same
>>> error.
>>> This really confuses me:
>>> 
>>> - the file as it was the last time it was successfully modified cannot
>>> be opened (which should exclude file corruption problem)
>>> 
>>> - the latest version on latest MacOS can't open it because "No suitable
>>> backend", but 2.6.20 on MacOS10.12 also can't open it because "No
>>> suitable backend".
>>> 
>>> So if the file itself is not the problem, and if version that used to be
>>> able to open it can't anymore, where could the problem come from?
>>> 
>>> Only I wasn't able to reproduce the error with the exact same setup I
>>> had when last successfully modified: trying to reinstall 2.6.20 on
>>> MacOS10.13 I realized it can't be started anymore (Gnucash can't be
>>> opened because of a problem - DYLD, [0x4] Symbol missing)
>>> 
>>> Is there anything I can do to try to save the file in question?
>>> 
>>> - nodje
>>> 
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Re: [GNC] fixed field width

[Colin Law]

I can see this being useful on some accounts, but it would need to be optional.

Colin

On 8 April 2018 at 05:14, David Carlson  wrote:
> Dennis,
>
> It may look like there is a lot of  room on your display, but a lot of
> users still have rather low res displays or they (like me) just like to use
> strings containing more than 80 characters.  Two line mode is specifically
> designed to show the notes field, so to move the notes to the first line
> would render the second line useless.
>
> I doubt that you would find very many users that would want to shrink the
> description and notes both to half their size to squeeze them into one line.
>
> David C
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Dennis West  wrote:
>
>> I'm wondering if any of the developers would consider adding the "Notes"
>> field to the single line display.  I much prefer the single line display
>> but hate to give up the Notes field.  As you can see from the attachment,
>> the Description field takes up way more than is necessary and there is
>> plenty of room to add the Notes field.
>>
>> Thanks for all you hard work.
>>
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Re: [GNC] fixed field width

[Dennis West]

David,

As always, thanks for the rapid response.  I know my suggestion is just 
minor tweaking so I appreciate your attention to detail.


Dennis


On 4/7/2018 23:14, David Carlson wrote:

Dennis,

It may look like there is a lot of  room on your display, but a lot of 
users still have rather low res displays or they (like me) just like 
to use strings containing more than 80 characters.  Two line mode is 
specifically designed to show the notes field, so to move the notes to 
the first line would render the second line useless.


I doubt that you would find very many users that would want to shrink 
the description and notes both to half their size to squeeze them into 
one line.


David C

On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Dennis West > wrote:


I'm wondering if any of the developers would consider adding the
"Notes" field to the single line display.  I much prefer the
single line display but hate to give up the Notes field.  As you
can see from the attachment, the Description field takes up way
more than is necessary and there is plenty of room to add the
Notes field.

Thanks for all you hard work.


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Re: [GNC] What is earliest version of Ubuntu for which building GnuCASH 3.0 is possible?

[John Ralls]

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 7:07 AM, Steve Cohen  wrote:
> 
> On 04/07/2018 09:50 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 7, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Steve Cohen >> 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 04/07/2018 09:38 AM, John Ralls wrote:
 
 
> On Apr 6, 2018, at 8:06 PM, Steve Cohen  
> >
> >> wrote:
> 
> On 04/06/2018 02:39 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 12:34 PM, Steve Cohen >> 
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 04/06/2018 02:22 PM, John Ralls wrote:
 
 
> On Apr 6, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Steve Cohen  
> >
> > wrote:
> 
> I'm newly retired and have some time ...
> I have Ubuntu 14.0.4. I'm running GnuCash 2.6.1.
> 
> But if I'm willing to build, is there any inherent reason why
> building
> 3.0 will fail in this environment?  If not, I'll be willing to
> make the
> effort.  I'd be glad for any information about bumps in the road I
> should know about in advance.
> 
 
 We're using 14.04 for one of the CI builds, so you shouldn't have
 any trouble. You might want to examine 
 https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/unstable/util/ci/ubuntu-14.04-docker
 to copy the packages you need to install.
 
 Regards,
 John Ralls
 
 
>>> Thank you John.  I'm noticing that the README file (from within
>>> the 3.0
>>> tarball) is for version 2.6.x.  Are more recent build instructions
>>> available elsewhere?
>> 
>> The best current build instructions are cmake/README_CMAKE.txt.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>> 
>> 
> Thanks!
> After a few hours of false starts, I managed to build GnuCash 3.0 on my
> Ubuntu 14.0.4 system.
> 
> I had to use this command line:
> 
> cmake -D ALLOW_OLD_GETTEXT=ON -D GTEST_ROOT=~/src/gtest/googletest -D
> GMOCK_ROOT=~/src/gtest/googlemock ~/src/gnucash
> 
> The ALLOW_OLD_GETTEXT was necessary because I only had an earlier
> version of gettext and could find no way to install the required version
> without compiling it too and I didn't want to enter that path.  What
> negative features will result from doing this, and is it avoidable under
> this environment?
> 
> I haven't tried installing it yet.  Will it be necessary to uninstall
> the old one first, and what happens to my datafiles if I do that.  In
> other words, what's the upgrade path here?
 
 For your personal use, no effect at all. It just means that some types
 of files don’t have their translatable strings extracted into the
 message catalog. That affects only translators working from git instead
 of a tarball.
 
 Regards,
 John Ralls
 
>>> OK, I built it.  It seems to run, look nice, in general, it seems to
>>> work.  Haven't given it any difficult test yet.  But, why does the
>>> Help->About screen say it's version 2.7.8, when I built from the 3.0
>>> tarball?
>> 
>> Please remember to copy the list on all replies.
>> 
>> Hmm, it shouldn’t say that. The MacOS build that should be from the same
>> tarball says 3.0 on 
>> Help->About. Did you get the tarball from SourceForge or Github?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
> I got the tarball from sourceforge: gnucash-3.0.tar.gz: 19,010,065 bytes
> from
> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnucash/gnucash-3.0.tar.gz 
> .
> 
> The link to
> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases/download/3.0/gnucash-3.0.tar.gz 
> 
> downloads a file of the same exact size.
> 
> So I'm certainly stumped.
> 
> What file in the package contains/produces the version number?

libgnucash/core-utils/gnc-version.h.

Regards,
John Ralls



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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Stan Brown]

+1++

:-)

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On 2018-04-08 13:21, Saša Janiška wrote:
> John Ralls  writes:
> 
>> Add me to the list of folks who dislike this change.
> 
> +1
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Stan Brown]

Yes, I agree. Just because one or two people ask for something does not
mean it should be made mandatory on everyone.

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Stan Brown
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On 2018-04-07 21:01, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parry  wrote:
> 
>>
>> Adding a prefix does not stop you continuing your method, and at the same
>> time also meets the request of us "dinosaurs" 
>>
> 
> And annoys the rest of us that were happy with things they way that we
> were. At the least, there should have been a wider discussion before
> implementing this.
> 
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Fross, Michael]

Add me to the dislike list.  A simple filtering of the "FROM" field works
easily.  I don't see what all the concern is about.

Michael

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Chris Marusich  wrote:

> "Liz"  writes:
>
> > While others have mentioned filtering on the "To" field, it's also
> > been necessary to filter on the "CC" field.
>
> Anyone reading this thread might also be interested in the following
> essay, which describes the pros and cons of various methods for
> filtering list email:
>
> http://david.woodhou.se/reply-to-list.html
>
> Its thesis is that "the best way to filter list traffic is actually on
> the Return-Path."  That's what I do (when the list actually provides
> such a header).  So, this change won't affect my own filtering rules.
>
> Filtering based on the Subject is of course a common tactic when the
> list adds a tag to the Subject, but most lists I've seen don't do that,
> and it isn't discussed in that essay.
>
> --
> Chris
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Rich Shepard]

On Sun, 8 Apr 2018, Fross, Michael wrote:


Add me to the dislike list. A simple filtering of the "FROM" field works
easily. I don't see what all the concern is about.


  Well, I'll throw in my $0.02 worth.

  I run Slackware linux and my own MTA (postfix) using procmail as the local
delivery agent (MDA). I can filter incoming messages using anything I want.
With this recipe:

:0:
* ^TO_.*@*(lists\.)?gnucash\.org
accounting

all incoming messages to, or CC'd to, either lists.gnucash.org or
gnucash.org are placed in the 'accounting' file.

  Where I find list name prefixes within brackets useful is when I want
several maillists (such as for spatial analyses) to be filed in the same
place because they address the same subject matter. The bracketed name tells
me which thread belongs to which mail list.

Regards,

Rich

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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[John Ralls]

Add me to the list of folks who dislike this change.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Apr 7, 2018, at 11:32 PM, Amish  wrote:
> 
> Even I feel it annoying and unnecessary.
> 
> Here is what w3c (World Wide Web Consortium) which develops Web standards has 
> to say about adding subject in their own mailing list.
> 
> Source: https://www.w3.org/Mail/subject-tagging
> 
>   Subject tagging is not a reliable way to identify mail from a
>   mailing list versus personal email, because if someone sends a
>   personal reply off the list, they will likely not remove the list
>   tag from the subject and the mail will get filtered to the
>   recipient's list mailbox even though it was not distributed by the list.
> 
>   ... we would rather see effort invested in getting mail software
>   fixed to do the right thing than provide workarounds that provide no
>   incentive to do so
> 
> 
> Also subject tagging may also break signed messages which work on subject 
> header. (depending on how mailing list is configured)
> 
> Amish
> 
> On Sunday 08 April 2018 06:33 AM, Dave H wrote:
>> I'd rather you didn't do this at all, I typically just scan down the
>> subject line of all the emails in my inbox and it's just annoying to try
>> and ignore the crap on the beginning of the subject line !!
>> 
>> On Sun, 8 Apr. 2018, 10:22 am Liz,  wrote:
>> 
>>> Steve Parry wrote:
 Thank you Liz😊
 
 Commonly, list prefixes are in square brackets to be more unique and make
 it clear it's a prefix.
 
 Any chance of changing them to [GNC] etc?
 
 Thank you again!
 Cheers...Steve
>>> Yes, I already spotted that lapse and amended it.
>>> 
>>> Liz
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Re: [GNC] future of custom reports in 3.x

[John Ralls]

While we would like to replace the reporting system with something more 
flexible and user friendly we’re a very long way from being in a position to 
even start on it.

In the meantime there are four alternatives for custom reports:
1. Learn Scheme and qof-query to make custom reports for use inside GnuCash.
2. Learn SQL and use a SQL backend to extract the data you want. The results 
are generally amenable to import into a spreadsheet for further processing; you 
could also install the appropriate ODBC module for your SQL engine of choice 
and connect to it with Libre/OpenOffice, Microsoft Access, or some similar tool 
with a custom report writer or your favorite programming language’s SQL 
interface (e.g. DBAPI for Python).
3. Learn Python and use either the python bindings or PieCash (also requires 
the SQL backend) to query the database and write custom reports.
4. With an XML file use your favorite language's XML bindings with XPATH or 
XQUERY to retrieve the data and format your report.

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 3:33 AM, Amish  wrote:
> 
> I wonder the same too. Although new reports are enough for me now.
> 
> But I had to delete lots of old custom reports because they no more worked 
> (or compiled)
> 
> But in future I may want to have my own custom reports.
> 
> I wish there was GnuCash library with we could simply call 
> Gnc_LoadFile("path") and then we could also do all the magical things that 
> GnuCash does!
> 
> Amish
> 
> On Sunday 08 April 2018 02:38 PM, Saša Janiška wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> while having problems to load certain (ytd-budget.scm) report in 2.6.20
>> under (Fedora) Linux i nthe attempt to return back to GnuCash from
>> (h)ledger, I wonder if there is some plan in regard to the future of
>> custom reports, iow. is it still recommended to learn some Scheme in
>> order to achieve/tweak  what is missing, do you envision using Python or
>> something else suitable to enable end-users write custom reports (more)
>> easily?
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Gour
>> 
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 2.6.20 Released

[Mark Cochran]

Fedora 27, using MariaDB 10.2.14 backend, with gnucash database on one host.
gnucash 2.6.20 rev 972647d2d
I get as far as "Loading data..." on the spash screen, then
'GnuCash could not complete a critical test for the presence of a bug in 
the "libdbi" library.'


trace file shows
* 11:40:25  WARN  [conn_test_dbi_library()] 
Test_DBI_Library: Create table failed
* 11:40:47  CRIT  gnc_dbi_unlock: assertion 
'dbi_conn_error( dcon, NULL ) == 0' failed

* 11:40:52  WARN  Could not locate file AUTHORS
* 11:40:52  WARN  Could not locate file DOCUMENTERS
* 11:40:52  WARN  Could not locate file LICENSE

Another Fedora 27 laptop connecting to that same DB host with gnucash 
2.6.18 rev 3a9fbb8+ works OK.



Mark Cochran
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Saša Janiška]

John Ralls  writes:

> Add me to the list of folks who dislike this change.

+1


Sincerely,
Gour

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Re: [GNC] [GNC-dev] GnuCash 2.6.20 Released

[John Ralls]

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Mark Cochran  wrote:
> 
> Fedora 27, using MariaDB 10.2.14 backend, with gnucash database on one host.
> gnucash 2.6.20 rev 972647d2d
> I get as far as "Loading data..." on the spash screen, then
> 'GnuCash could not complete a critical test for the presence of a bug in the 
> "libdbi" library.'
> 
> trace file shows
> * 11:40:25  WARN  [conn_test_dbi_library()] 
> Test_DBI_Library: Create table failed
> * 11:40:47  CRIT  gnc_dbi_unlock: assertion 'dbi_conn_error( 
> dcon, NULL ) == 0' failed
> * 11:40:52  WARN  Could not locate file AUTHORS
> * 11:40:52  WARN  Could not locate file DOCUMENTERS
> * 11:40:52  WARN  Could not locate file LICENSE
> 
> Another Fedora 27 laptop connecting to that same DB host with gnucash 2.6.18 
> rev 3a9fbb8+ works OK.

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795049 


Regards,
John Ralls
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Re: [GNC] What is earliest version of Ubuntu for which building GnuCASH 3.0 is possible?

[John Ralls]

Oops, *my* bad. I released 3.0 from master instead of unstable. I’ve just done 
a reverse merge to fix it, and merged back so everything's in sync. Good thing 
you caught it before I shuffled the branches.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Steve Cohen  wrote:
> 
> My bad, I forgot what I did!  I didn't build from the tarball.  I built
> what I got from doing
> 
>   git clone https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash.git
> 
> which somehow brought down the unstable branch.
> 
> Now I actually built from the tarball and got 3.0.  Sorry for this noob
> error.
> 
> 
> On 04/08/2018 10:53 AM, Colin Law wrote:
>> How are you running it?  Perhaps it is running the old version.  Run
>> it by explicilty specifing the the full path the the executable from
>> the terminal, something like
>> /usr/local/bin/gnucash
>> or wherever you installed it.  If still no joy check the timestamp on
>> the file you are running and make sure it matches when you built it.
>> 
>> Colin
>> 
>> On 8 April 2018 at 15:07, Steve Cohen  wrote:
>>> On 04/07/2018 09:50 PM, John Ralls wrote:
 
 
> On Apr 7, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Steve Cohen  > wrote:
> 
> On 04/07/2018 09:38 AM, John Ralls wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 8:06 PM, Steve Cohen >> 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 04/06/2018 02:39 PM, John Ralls wrote:
 
 
> On Apr 6, 2018, at 12:34 PM, Steve Cohen  
> > wrote:
> 
> On 04/06/2018 02:22 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Steve Cohen >> 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm newly retired and have some time ...
>>> I have Ubuntu 14.0.4. I'm running GnuCash 2.6.1.
>>> 
>>> But if I'm willing to build, is there any inherent reason why
>>> building
>>> 3.0 will fail in this environment?  If not, I'll be willing to
>>> make the
>>> effort.  I'd be glad for any information about bumps in the road I
>>> should know about in advance.
>>> 
>> 
>> We're using 14.04 for one of the CI builds, so you shouldn't have
>> any trouble. You might want to examine
>> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/unstable/util/ci/ubuntu-14.04-docker
>> to copy the packages you need to install.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>> 
>> 
> Thank you John.  I'm noticing that the README file (from within
> the 3.0
> tarball) is for version 2.6.x.  Are more recent build instructions
> available elsewhere?
 
 The best current build instructions are cmake/README_CMAKE.txt.
 
 Regards,
 John Ralls
 
 
>>> Thanks!
>>> After a few hours of false starts, I managed to build GnuCash 3.0 on my
>>> Ubuntu 14.0.4 system.
>>> 
>>> I had to use this command line:
>>> 
>>> cmake -D ALLOW_OLD_GETTEXT=ON -D GTEST_ROOT=~/src/gtest/googletest -D
>>> GMOCK_ROOT=~/src/gtest/googlemock ~/src/gnucash
>>> 
>>> The ALLOW_OLD_GETTEXT was necessary because I only had an earlier
>>> version of gettext and could find no way to install the required version
>>> without compiling it too and I didn't want to enter that path.  What
>>> negative features will result from doing this, and is it avoidable under
>>> this environment?
>>> 
>>> I haven't tried installing it yet.  Will it be necessary to uninstall
>>> the old one first, and what happens to my datafiles if I do that.  In
>>> other words, what's the upgrade path here?
>> 
>> For your personal use, no effect at all. It just means that some types
>> of files don’t have their translatable strings extracted into the
>> message catalog. That affects only translators working from git instead
>> of a tarball.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>> 
> OK, I built it.  It seems to run, look nice, in general, it seems to
> work.  Haven't given it any difficult test yet.  But, why does the
> Help->About screen say it's version 2.7.8, when I built from the 3.0
> tarball?
 
 Please remember to copy the list on all replies.
 
 Hmm, it shouldn’t say that. The MacOS build that should be from the same
 tarball says 3.0 on
 Help->About. Did you get the tarball from SourceForge or Github?
 
 Regards,
 John Ralls
>>> I got the tarball from sourceforge: gnucash-3.0.tar.gz: 19,010,065 bytes
>>> from
>>> 

Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Dave H]

So not so difficult for you :-)

Cheers Dave H.

On 9 April 2018 at 08:11, Jean-David Beyer  wrote:

> On 04/08/2018 03:29 PM, Fross, Michael wrote:
> > Add me to the dislike list.  A simple filtering of the "FROM" field works
> > easily.  I don't see what all the concern is about.
> >
>
> I guess it depends on what you mean by simple.
> So far I need these three to catch everything I want in my GnuCash-ML
> mailbox:
>
> To or Cc contains @gnucash.org
> To or Cc contains @lists.gnucash.org
> From contains jra...@ceridwen.us
>
> For some other mailing lists, more complex things are required.
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Re: [GNC] What is earliest version of Ubuntu for which building GnuCASH 3.0 is possible?

[Steve Cohen]

My bad, I forgot what I did!  I didn't build from the tarball.  I built
what I got from doing

git clone https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash.git

which somehow brought down the unstable branch.

Now I actually built from the tarball and got 3.0.  Sorry for this noob
error.


On 04/08/2018 10:53 AM, Colin Law wrote:
> How are you running it?  Perhaps it is running the old version.  Run
> it by explicilty specifing the the full path the the executable from
> the terminal, something like
> /usr/local/bin/gnucash
> or wherever you installed it.  If still no joy check the timestamp on
> the file you are running and make sure it matches when you built it.
> 
> Colin
> 
> On 8 April 2018 at 15:07, Steve Cohen  wrote:
>> On 04/07/2018 09:50 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>>>
>>>
 On Apr 7, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Steve Cohen > wrote:

 On 04/07/2018 09:38 AM, John Ralls wrote:
>
>
>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 8:06 PM, Steve Cohen > 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> On 04/06/2018 02:39 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>>>
>>>
 On Apr 6, 2018, at 12:34 PM, Steve Cohen 
 > wrote:

 On 04/06/2018 02:22 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>
>
>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Steve Cohen > 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I'm newly retired and have some time ...
>> I have Ubuntu 14.0.4. I'm running GnuCash 2.6.1.
>>
>> But if I'm willing to build, is there any inherent reason why
>> building
>> 3.0 will fail in this environment?  If not, I'll be willing to
>> make the
>> effort.  I'd be glad for any information about bumps in the road I
>> should know about in advance.
>>
>
> We're using 14.04 for one of the CI builds, so you shouldn't have
> any trouble. You might want to examine
> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/unstable/util/ci/ubuntu-14.04-docker
> to copy the packages you need to install.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>
 Thank you John.  I'm noticing that the README file (from within
 the 3.0
 tarball) is for version 2.6.x.  Are more recent build instructions
 available elsewhere?
>>>
>>> The best current build instructions are cmake/README_CMAKE.txt.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John Ralls
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks!
>> After a few hours of false starts, I managed to build GnuCash 3.0 on my
>> Ubuntu 14.0.4 system.
>>
>> I had to use this command line:
>>
>> cmake -D ALLOW_OLD_GETTEXT=ON -D GTEST_ROOT=~/src/gtest/googletest -D
>> GMOCK_ROOT=~/src/gtest/googlemock ~/src/gnucash
>>
>> The ALLOW_OLD_GETTEXT was necessary because I only had an earlier
>> version of gettext and could find no way to install the required version
>> without compiling it too and I didn't want to enter that path.  What
>> negative features will result from doing this, and is it avoidable under
>> this environment?
>>
>> I haven't tried installing it yet.  Will it be necessary to uninstall
>> the old one first, and what happens to my datafiles if I do that.  In
>> other words, what's the upgrade path here?
>
> For your personal use, no effect at all. It just means that some types
> of files don’t have their translatable strings extracted into the
> message catalog. That affects only translators working from git instead
> of a tarball.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
 OK, I built it.  It seems to run, look nice, in general, it seems to
 work.  Haven't given it any difficult test yet.  But, why does the
 Help->About screen say it's version 2.7.8, when I built from the 3.0
 tarball?
>>>
>>> Please remember to copy the list on all replies.
>>>
>>> Hmm, it shouldn’t say that. The MacOS build that should be from the same
>>> tarball says 3.0 on
>>> Help->About. Did you get the tarball from SourceForge or Github?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John Ralls
>> I got the tarball from sourceforge: gnucash-3.0.tar.gz: 19,010,065 bytes
>> from
>> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnucash/gnucash-3.0.tar.gz.
>>
>> The link to
>> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases/download/3.0/gnucash-3.0.tar.gz
>> downloads a file of the same exact size.
>>
>> So I'm certainly stumped.
>>
>> What file in the package contains/produces the version number?
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[GNC] bulk get online transactions

[Brent McBride]

Hi,


Is it possible to batch/bulk downloading transactions for multiple accounts?


I'm a long-time MS Money and Quicken user who is investigating switching to 
GnuCash. I've successfully download account transactions via Actions->Online 
Actions->Get Transactions. But I have many different accounts at many different 
financial institutions, and downloading transactions one account at a time, and 
being prompted for PIN/password at each one, is very tedious. I like how both 
MS Money and Quicken can download transactions from all accounts sequentially 
in a single operation with only one password prompt at startup (all bank 
PINs/passwords are stored in a local vault).


Is there a way in GnuCash, either through the UI or some scriptable API, to do 
this? I searched what documentation I could find, but without much luck.


I did find this interesting tidbit:

"GnuCash uses libofx/aqbanking for OFX/QFX support, so you should look there 
for Direct Connect support: http://aquamaniac.de/aqbanking/ . Also, there is a 
python script available that can do this for you at [ 
http://www.jongsma.org/gc/ ]."

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ


However, that script url is no longer valid, and I wasn't able to find it 
cached at archive.org. Besides, I thought I read elsewhere that Windows and Mac 
builds of GnuCash don't support python extensions. I tried playing around with 
the aqbanking-cli.exe and aqhbci-tool4 utilities, but the documentation is 
rather spotty and I wasn't able to get far.


Any ideas?


Thanks!

Brent
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Chris Marusich]

"Liz"  writes:

> While others have mentioned filtering on the "To" field, it's also
> been necessary to filter on the "CC" field.

Anyone reading this thread might also be interested in the following
essay, which describes the pros and cons of various methods for
filtering list email:

http://david.woodhou.se/reply-to-list.html

Its thesis is that "the best way to filter list traffic is actually on
the Return-Path."  That's what I do (when the list actually provides
such a header).  So, this change won't affect my own filtering rules.

Filtering based on the Subject is of course a common tactic when the
list adds a tag to the Subject, but most lists I've seen don't do that,
and it isn't discussed in that essay.

-- 
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Re: [GNC] [GNC-dev] GnuCash 2.6.20 Released

[Mark Cochran]

On 04/08/2018 12:06 PM, John Ralls wrote:



On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Mark Cochran  wrote:

Fedora 27, using MariaDB 10.2.14 backend, with gnucash database on one host.
gnucash 2.6.20 rev 972647d2d
I get as far as "Loading data..." on the spash screen, then
'GnuCash could not complete a critical test for the presence of a bug in the 
"libdbi" library.'

trace file shows
* 11:40:25  WARN  [conn_test_dbi_library()] Test_DBI_Library: 
Create table failed
* 11:40:47  CRIT  gnc_dbi_unlock: assertion 'dbi_conn_error( 
dcon, NULL ) == 0' failed
* 11:40:52  WARN  Could not locate file AUTHORS
* 11:40:52  WARN  Could not locate file DOCUMENTERS
* 11:40:52  WARN  Could not locate file LICENSE

Another Fedora 27 laptop connecting to that same DB host with gnucash 2.6.18 
rev 3a9fbb8+ works OK.

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795049 


Regards,
John Ralls


Thanks.  FYI, I built 3.0 from master on github, initially had the same 
issues as Alex posted in "unstable terminates immediately" in the 
gnucash-devel channel. But after installing to directory under $HOME, 
3.0 works OK with mysql/MariaDB.


Mark
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Re: [GNC] Quicken running balances - available in GnuCash??

[Adrien Monteleone]

It sounds like what you’re asking for is to combine the transaction report with 
a balance sheet report (showing only the desired asset of cash)

Is that correct?

If so, no, there is no such report that I can fathom out of the box.

But you can get a report that shows some info about your cash position on a 
weekly basis.

Run the Average Balance report, select only the desired cash account, set Show 
Table and unset Show Plot (if not desired) in the Display tab, and set the Step 
Size in the General Tab to ‘Week’. You’ll get a weekly summary of that account 
for the time period chosen in the General tab. (which defaults to start and end 
of accounting period - whatever that may be defined as in your Preferences)

You can copy/paste this into a spreadsheet. Then add a column on the right to 
calculate the sum of the previous week and the profit amount for each week. 
(which would be started off by the figure obtained from a beginning of period 
balance sheet) This would give you the ending cash balance each week.

Not as nice or easy, but without writing a custom report, it will get you the 
desired figures.

You could probably also copy in the transaction report and then write a simple 
macro or cell reference to copy over the weekly cash position so you can have 
it all together on the same sheet.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 7, 2018, at 7:06 PM, Billsy  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> This is a repost of an earlier query - I'd still like to switch to GnuCash
> and Linux, however I have one stumbling block, so perhaps someone may have
> some ideas for me
> 
> I currently use Quicken Personal, and use a budget report, which lists
> weekly 
> transactions, and a running balance of my cash account at the end of each 
> week - that way I know exactly how much I have in the bank at the end of 
> each week. (Amount is circled in red in the picture below).
> 
> When I generate a transaction report with GnuCash, the transactions are 
> listed and totalled for each week, but I don't have a weekly cash position 
> indicated, so although I know the total of all weekly deductions, I can't 
> see a running weekly balance of my cash account. 
> 
> Am I missing something in the report options? 
> Thanks, 
> 
>  
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] future of custom reports in 3.x

[Saša Janiška]

John Ralls  writes:

> While we would like to replace the reporting system with something
> more flexible and user friendly we’re a very long way from being in a
> position to even start on it.

OK - that's nice to know. ;)

> In the meantime there are four alternatives for custom reports:

> 4. With an XML file use your favorite language's XML bindings with
> XPATH or XQUERY to retrieve the data and format your report.

I'd rather stay away from fiddling with XML stuff.

> 3. Learn Python and use either the python bindings or PieCash (also
> requires the SQL backend) to query the database and write custom
> reports.

I'll take a closer look at this option.

> 2. Learn SQL and use a SQL backend to extract the data you want. The
> results are generally amenable to import into a spreadsheet for
> further processing; you could also install the appropriate ODBC module
> for your SQL engine of choice and connect to it with Libre/OpenOffice,
> Microsoft Access, or some similar tool with a custom report writer or
> your favorite programming language’s SQL interface (e.g. DBAPI for
> Python).

This one seems to be close to 2nd option...

> 1. Learn Scheme and qof-query to make custom reports for use inside
> GnuCash.

This seems to be the most lucrative option enabling one to take
advantage of GC's infrastructure, but just wonder if replacing qof-query
with SQL query query would still allow using it along with Scheme since
"make reports for use inside GnuCash" certainly has its adavantages?


Sincerely,
Gour

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Re: [GNC] What does your Summary Bar say in Gnucash-3.0? Mine is rude

[Adrien Monteleone]

Xfce won’t be full Gtk+3 until version 4.14 which is still in development. 
Everyone who’s using 4.12 (released in 2015) is still in a mixed environment. 
Xubuntu 18.04 will still be using 4.12, but I think they’ll be pulling in some 
of the 4.14 components that are 100% ready.

https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/18.04/release-notes

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 4:31 PM, lj  wrote:
> 
> Eric Siegerman wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 10:10:16PM -0400, lj wrote:
>>> When viewing the accounts tree, my summary bar at the bottom displays this,
>>> exactly:
>>>  $:  Net Ass Profits:
>> I'm seeing almost the same thing on Ubuntu 16.04, XFCE.  Image
>> attached, showing the summary bar both "at rest" and clicked-on;
>> under both 2.6.18 and 3.0.  (The four screen snaps were cropped
>> to the same size and position, so they should be directly
>> comparable.)
>> My currency is "C$", so that leading "C" is totally expected :-)
> 
> Thanks for confirming. Interesting that we are both using the Xfce desktop, 
> although I can't see how that would affect it. My Xfce is Gtk+2 based, and 
> I'm assuming the newer Ubuntu Xfce uses Gtk+3?
> 
> I did try changing one parameter in the code from 50 pixels to 200 pixels. 
> This fixed the problem, more-or-less, although I'm not suggesting this as a 
> fix. The real question for me is that if that 50 represents a fixed field 
> width, why doesn't it affect everyone?
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

Interesting.

But this wasn’t that difficult even many moons ago to set up:


Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Chris Marusich  wrote:
> 
> http://david.woodhou.se/reply-to-list.html

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Re: [GNC] What is earliest version of Ubuntu for which building GnuCASH 3.0 is possible?

[Steve Cohen]

Ok, I suppose.  I would have EXPECTED a release to be built from the
master branch.  I don't understand why

git clone https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash.git

is tied to the unstable branch - but if it is, then it makes sense that
you would want to reverse merge it down. Why do you do it that way?


On 04/08/2018 01:31 PM, John Ralls wrote:
> Oops, *my* bad. I released 3.0 from master instead of unstable. I’ve just 
> done a reverse merge to fix it, and merged back so everything's in sync. Good 
> thing you caught it before I shuffled the branches.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Steve Cohen  wrote:
>>
>> My bad, I forgot what I did!  I didn't build from the tarball.  I built
>> what I got from doing
>>
>>  
>>
>> which somehow brought down the unstable branch.
>>
>> Now I actually built from the tarball and got 3.0.  Sorry for this noob
>> error.
>>
>>
>> On 04/08/2018 10:53 AM, Colin Law wrote:
>>> How are you running it?  Perhaps it is running the old version.  Run
>>> it by explicilty specifing the the full path the the executable from
>>> the terminal, something like
>>> /usr/local/bin/gnucash
>>> or wherever you installed it.  If still no joy check the timestamp on
>>> the file you are running and make sure it matches when you built it.
>>>
>>> Colin
>>>
>>> On 8 April 2018 at 15:07, Steve Cohen  wrote:
 On 04/07/2018 09:50 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>
>
>> On Apr 7, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Steve Cohen > > wrote:
>>
>> On 04/07/2018 09:38 AM, John Ralls wrote:
>>>
>>>
 On Apr 6, 2018, at 8:06 PM, Steve Cohen 
 > wrote:

 On 04/06/2018 02:39 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>
>
>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 12:34 PM, Steve Cohen > 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> On 04/06/2018 02:22 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>>>
>>>
 On Apr 6, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Steve Cohen 
 > wrote:

 I'm newly retired and have some time ...
 I have Ubuntu 14.0.4. I'm running GnuCash 2.6.1.

 But if I'm willing to build, is there any inherent reason why
 building
 3.0 will fail in this environment?  If not, I'll be willing to
 make the
 effort.  I'd be glad for any information about bumps in the road I
 should know about in advance.

>>>
>>> We're using 14.04 for one of the CI builds, so you shouldn't have
>>> any trouble. You might want to examine
>>> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/unstable/util/ci/ubuntu-14.04-docker
>>> to copy the packages you need to install.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John Ralls
>>>
>>>
>> Thank you John.  I'm noticing that the README file (from within
>> the 3.0
>> tarball) is for version 2.6.x.  Are more recent build instructions
>> available elsewhere?
>
> The best current build instructions are cmake/README_CMAKE.txt.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>
 Thanks!
 After a few hours of false starts, I managed to build GnuCash 3.0 on my
 Ubuntu 14.0.4 system.

 I had to use this command line:

 cmake -D ALLOW_OLD_GETTEXT=ON -D GTEST_ROOT=~/src/gtest/googletest -D
 GMOCK_ROOT=~/src/gtest/googlemock ~/src/gnucash

 The ALLOW_OLD_GETTEXT was necessary because I only had an earlier
 version of gettext and could find no way to install the required 
 version
 without compiling it too and I didn't want to enter that path.  What
 negative features will result from doing this, and is it avoidable 
 under
 this environment?

 I haven't tried installing it yet.  Will it be necessary to uninstall
 the old one first, and what happens to my datafiles if I do that.  In
 other words, what's the upgrade path here?
>>>
>>> For your personal use, no effect at all. It just means that some types
>>> of files don’t have their translatable strings extracted into the
>>> message catalog. That affects only translators working from git instead
>>> of a tarball.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John Ralls
>>>
>> OK, I built it.  It seems to run, look nice, in general, it seems to
>> work.  Haven't given it any difficult test yet.  But, why does the
>> Help->About screen say it's version 2.7.8, when I built from the 3.0
>> tarball?
>
> Please 

Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

Another +1 for reverting it.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Stan Brown  wrote:
> 
> +1++
> 
> :-)
> 
> -- 
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> 
> On 2018-04-08 13:21, Saša Janiška wrote:
>> John Ralls  writes:
>> 
>>> Add me to the list of folks who dislike this change.
>> 
>> +1
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Re: [GNC] What is earliest version of Ubuntu for which building GnuCASH 3.0 is possible?

[Steve Cohen]

On 04/08/2018 07:02 PM, John Ralls wrote:
> It's tied to unstable because that's been the primary working branch for the 
> last 6 months or so.
> The testing period branches have been beaten to death here and in devel over 
> the last several months,
> if you're really interested search the list archives or read 
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Git#Branches.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Steve Cohen  wrote:
>>
>> Ok, I suppose.  I would have EXPECTED a release to be built from the
>> master branch.  I don't understand why
>>
>>  git clone https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash.git
>>
>> is tied to the unstable branch - but if it is, then it makes sense that
>> you would want to reverse merge it down. Why do you do it that way?
>>
>>
>> On 04/08/2018 01:31 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>>> Oops, *my* bad. I released 3.0 from master instead of unstable. I’ve just 
>>> done a reverse merge to fix it, and merged back so everything's in sync. 
>>> Good thing you caught it before I shuffled the branches.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John Ralls
>>>
>>>
 On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Steve Cohen  wrote:

 My bad, I forgot what I did!  I didn't build from the tarball.  I built
 what I got from doing



 which somehow brought down the unstable branch.

 Now I actually built from the tarball and got 3.0.  Sorry for this noob
 error.


 On 04/08/2018 10:53 AM, Colin Law wrote:
> How are you running it?  Perhaps it is running the old version.  Run
> it by explicilty specifing the the full path the the executable from
> the terminal, something like
> /usr/local/bin/gnucash
> or wherever you installed it.  If still no joy check the timestamp on
> the file you are running and make sure it matches when you built it.
>
> Colin
>
> On 8 April 2018 at 15:07, Steve Cohen  wrote:
>> On 04/07/2018 09:50 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>>>
>>>
 On Apr 7, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Steve Cohen > wrote:

 On 04/07/2018 09:38 AM, John Ralls wrote:
>
>
>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 8:06 PM, Steve Cohen > 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> On 04/06/2018 02:39 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>>>
>>>
 On Apr 6, 2018, at 12:34 PM, Steve Cohen 
 > wrote:

 On 04/06/2018 02:22 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>
>
>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Steve Cohen > 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I'm newly retired and have some time ...
>> I have Ubuntu 14.0.4. I'm running GnuCash 2.6.1.
>>
>> But if I'm willing to build, is there any inherent reason why
>> building
>> 3.0 will fail in this environment?  If not, I'll be willing to
>> make the
>> effort.  I'd be glad for any information about bumps in the road 
>> I
>> should know about in advance.
>>
>
> We're using 14.04 for one of the CI builds, so you shouldn't have
> any trouble. You might want to examine
> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/unstable/util/ci/ubuntu-14.04-docker
> to copy the packages you need to install.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>
 Thank you John.  I'm noticing that the README file (from within
 the 3.0
 tarball) is for version 2.6.x.  Are more recent build instructions
 available elsewhere?
>>>
>>> The best current build instructions are cmake/README_CMAKE.txt.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John Ralls
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks!
>> After a few hours of false starts, I managed to build GnuCash 3.0 on 
>> my
>> Ubuntu 14.0.4 system.
>>
>> I had to use this command line:
>>
>> cmake -D ALLOW_OLD_GETTEXT=ON -D GTEST_ROOT=~/src/gtest/googletest -D
>> GMOCK_ROOT=~/src/gtest/googlemock ~/src/gnucash
>>
>> The ALLOW_OLD_GETTEXT was necessary because I only had an earlier
>> version of gettext and could find no way to install the required 
>> version
>> without compiling it too and I didn't want to enter that path.  What
>> negative features will result from doing this, and is it avoidable 
>> under
>> this environment?
>>
>> I haven't tried installing it yet.  Will it 

[GNC] Gnucash 3.0 fails to launch on Windows 10

[Peter Jackson]

Good Morning,
I use Windows 10 build 16299 and am a happy user of Gnucash 2.6.20.
I have installed Gnucash 3.0 three times.
Each time after installation, Gnucash 3.0 has failed to launch.
My datafile is 18MB.
Any suggestions please?

Peter
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

Drop the @ in the first rule and you can cut the second rule out. But really, 
what you have here isn’t difficult.

You’d only need the 3rd one if JohnR sends you frequent PMs. When anyone does 
that for me, I just drag and drop on those off occasions after I’ve read it. (a 
PM is usually something I’d want to pay attention to anyway and not have it get 
lost in the list folder)

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Jean-David Beyer  wrote:
> 
> On 04/08/2018 03:29 PM, Fross, Michael wrote:
>> Add me to the dislike list.  A simple filtering of the "FROM" field works
>> easily.  I don't see what all the concern is about.
>> 
> 
> I guess it depends on what you mean by simple.
> So far I need these three to catch everything I want in my GnuCash-ML
> mailbox:
> 
> To or Cc contains @gnucash.org
> To or Cc contains @lists.gnucash.org
> From contains jra...@ceridwen.us
> 
> For some other mailing lists, more complex things are required.
> 
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