Re: [Imports] Fwd: [osm-pl] Import adresów Gmina Wieprz
On 21 February 2014 01:48, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Could somebody recap this, if this one really one huge import across all of Poland, or a bunch of little imports. It seems like this is the primary issue to work through right now. Sounds like a deeply philospohical question. One of the lessens I have taken away from lurking on the NY address import is that it is very likely that different areas with have specific issues. Spot checking a couple of places does not mean you are in the clear. That's probably going to be true for any dataset though, unless it's really small. Most imports deal with data produced by human surveyors and you'll have specific issues between areas and times of collection. (LIDAR-generated buildings would be an exception) In this case, as well as probably the NY import or TIGER, it's data collected over years by thousands of workers. The common issues can probably be grouped together and an importer processing many areas will learn how to spot them. (note this address data in Poland is not available for all of Poland, only municialities that implemented the programme so far) Cheers ___ Imports mailing list Imports@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports
Re: [Imports] Fwd: [osm-pl] Import adresów Gmina Wieprz
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.comwrote: Hello Everybody, Each municipality is a different import. Part of the process needs to be to be validation, for example, which has already been brought up and not answered. I have been trying to follow this thread, but I think I missed this part. Could somebody recap this, if this one really one huge import across all of Poland, or a bunch of little imports. This is a bunch of little imports. This is not a single all of Poland dataset, but rather a collection of little datasets by region. The data is similar, of course due to the nature of the data being addresses. It seems like this is the primary issue to work through right now. If the process or source data comes from different places, then each one is its own import, with its own wiki, with its own discussion, 1+ week consultation, etc The data is collected on a single site, but to my knowledge it's not a single dataset. It's just listed on a single website. - Serge ___ Imports mailing list Imports@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports
Re: [Imports] Fwd: [osm-pl] Import adresów Gmina Wieprz
On 02/21/2014 01:54 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com mailto:remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Everybody, Each municipality is a different import. Part of the process needs to be to be validation, for example, which has already been brought up and not answered. I have been trying to follow this thread, but I think I missed this part. Could somebody recap this, if this one really one huge import across all of Poland, or a bunch of little imports. This is a bunch of little imports. This is not a single all of Poland dataset, but rather a collection of little datasets by region. The data is similar, of course due to the nature of the data being addresses. this is true. Data comes form local governaments databases/GIS which are build according to common ministerial rules. masti ___ Imports mailing list Imports@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports
Re: [Imports] Fwd: [osm-pl] Import adresów Gmina Wieprz
Hi, This is a bunch of little imports. This is not a single all of Poland dataset, but rather a collection of little datasets by region. The data is similar, of course due to the nature of the data being addresses. this is true. Data comes form local governaments databases/GIS which are build according to common ministerial rules. Are all of the local governments using an identical and rigorously defined standard for the data, with enough standardization that it would allow exactly the same process to be used over and over again? Jason ___ Imports mailing list Imports@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports
[Imports] Fwd: [osm-pl] Import adresów Gmina Wieprz
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Should I wait for confirmation from non-polish community for every municipality? :P Yes. That is part of the process, to get the feedback of the overall OSM community. Come on ! Once the process is established and approved and verified for one or two municipalities, why the hell are you asking the same approval for hundreds municipalities ? Each municipality is a different import. Part of the process needs to be to be validation, for example, which has already been brought up and not answered. If the import was indeed a single import, there would be no need for each municipality to be discussed, but it isn't (for reasons we've discussed in the past) and therefore there must be consensus on each import, which there clearly isn't yet, because questions keep coming up. Where is the group of OSM officers payed for stamping papers ? Foolish remark from an anti-importer trying to avoid imports at any price. First of all, cursing, and implying that I am an corrupt officer are both not going to move the conversation along, but calling me an anti-importer is pretty laughable, considering how much pro-import work I do, including trying to encourage imports in the US. Where the confusion might be is that I'm only in favor of imports which are verified and of high quality. - Serge ___ Imports mailing list Imports@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports
Re: [Imports] Fwd: [osm-pl] Import adresów Gmina Wieprz
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Each municipality is a different import. Part of the process needs to be to be validation, for example, which has already been brought up and not answered. I wrote Once the process is established and approved and verified. If the data source is the same, the data conversion is the same, the integration process is the same and this is done by the same people, I see no reason to ask again new reviews for each municipality. Again, if it's approved and verified. considering how much pro-import work I do, including trying to encourage imports in the US. Then you shoot yourself in the foot. I'm only in favor of imports which are verified and of high quality. Right. But some people are raising the bar so high that imports will be soon impossible (e.g. specify the synchronization process in the future) which is their unspoken target. Pieren ___ Imports mailing list Imports@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports
Re: [Imports] Fwd: [osm-pl] Import adresów Gmina Wieprz
Hello Everybody, Each municipality is a different import. Part of the process needs to be to be validation, for example, which has already been brought up and not answered. I have been trying to follow this thread, but I think I missed this part. Could somebody recap this, if this one really one huge import across all of Poland, or a bunch of little imports. It seems like this is the primary issue to work through right now. If the process or source data comes from different places, then each one is its own import, with its own wiki, with its own discussion, 1+ week consultation, etc If it is one big import, then we should be having a single long discussion about it. One of the lessens I have taken away from lurking on the NY address import is that it is very likely that different areas with have specific issues. Spot checking a couple of places does not mean you are in the clear. A large Poland wide import will need to spend some energy looking for regional issues in the data as part of the preparation process, so naturally this will take much longer than just doing a single town/city. Thanks Jason ___ Imports mailing list Imports@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports
