Re: OT: how do i get an ulta-small PC?
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 10:51:08AM +0300, Marc A. Volovic wrote: Since Guy is looking at using their hardware as a generic Linux worksomething, not what you wanted to with it, Geoff, I think you're being overharsh. Again - for most of everything you need no drivers (excpet, maybe, their graphics chip - and it will work in generic vesa mode). Work it will. Quickly is another story. In generic vesa mode, there is no hardware acceleration which slows down the graphics. Since X-Windows is all graphics at the display level, it matters. I don't have any benchmarks to justify this, anyone else know of a site that does? Please post them positive or negative. My point is that if he is buying an underpowered system because it is small and trying to make it look like a winner to the great unlinuxed, he does not want something that will stick with a specific Kernel or X-Windows release or suffer horrible performance. I can see it now, ignore the slow mouse movment and choppy video, you really can watch your DVDs on it, while the audience is looking out the windows, at their watches, etc. As for the dead rat comment above - come now, Geoff - you seriously think the best Linux distro there is merits such a comment. That's a matter of opinion. Those of us who grew up with their a release every six months to keep the stock prices up policy were burnt too many times to call it the best Linux distro. Not to start a distro war, but IMHO that epithet belongs to SUSE at the moment, with UBUNTU quickly on its way up. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (077)-424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Support the growing boycott of Google by radio users and hobbyists. It's starting to work, Yahoo has surpassed Google. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: how do i get an ulta-small PC?
Quoth Geoffrey S. Mendelson: Work it will. Quickly is another story. In generic vesa mode, there is no hardware acceleration which slows down the graphics. Since X-Windows is all graphics at the display level, it matters. I agree with that - depends on Guy's requirements. If he needs good speed in graphics display - he will have to go for something embedding an ATI card. This will increase footprint. That's a matter of opinion. Those of us who grew up with their a release every six months to keep the stock prices up policy were burnt too many times to call it the best Linux distro. Geoff - you must have realized I am pulling your leg. But let's stay away from my distro is cuter than yours argument... -- ---MAV Marc A. Volovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Swiftouch, LTD +972-544-676764 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: how do i get an ulta-small PC?
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:47:43 +0300 (IDT), Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Search google with the key 'micro itx brick' and see what you find. And maybe share it ? These have a following so: http://www.mini-itx.com/ could begood start for reviews etc. it's mini-itx, not micro-itx. i wish there was a micro-itx ;) micro-itx=120x120mm (smaller than mini-itx) Search for nano-itx, there are plenty (but I'm not sure you'll like the prices). Ehud. -- Ehud Karni Tel: +972-3-7966-561 /\ Mivtach - Simon Fax: +972-3-7966-667 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Insurance agencies (USA) voice mail and X Against HTML Mail http://www.mvs.co.il FAX: 1-815-5509341 / \ GnuPG: 98EA398D http://www.keyserver.net/Better Safe Than Sorry = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Working for over a year
This system (FC1, 2.4.22-1.2115.nptlsm) is working for over a year: 15:45:35 up 376 days, 13:18, 2 users, load average: 0.50, 0.37, 0.29 90 processes: 89 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: cpuusernice systemirq softirq iowaitidle total0.0%0.0%0.0% 0.0% 0.0%0.0% 199.8% cpu000.0%0.0%0.1% 0.0% 0.0%0.0% 99.8% cpu010.0%0.0%0.0% 0.0% 0.0%0.0% 100.0% Mem: 246500k av, 198776k used, 47724k free, 0k shrd, 43464k buff 57036k active, 91976k inactive Swap: 2096440k av, 40232k used, 2056208k free 64540k cached My 2nd oldest running system (RH 7.3, 2.4.18-4) is working for 10 months: 3:44pm up 318 days, 5:58, 1 user, load average: 0.97, 1.63, 3.70 50 processes: 48 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 0.0% user, 10.2% system, 0.0% nice, 89.8% idle Mem: 514384K av, 507868K used,6516K free, 0K shrd, 13540K buff Swap: 2097136K av,2940K used, 2094196K free 462288K cached Ehud. -- Ehud Karni Tel: +972-3-7966-561 /\ Mivtach - Simon Fax: +972-3-7966-667 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Insurance agencies (USA) voice mail and X Against HTML Mail http://www.mvs.co.il FAX: 1-815-5509341 / \ GnuPG: 98EA398D http://www.keyserver.net/Better Safe Than Sorry = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up a private network behind a firewall.
Gilboa Davara wrote: Thanks. Vtun works great. The only thing that concerns me is the password issue (that sits inside the /etc/vtund.conf) I assume that the password is being exchange encrypted, right? Beside creating the vtun connection over SSH, is there any other way to secure vtun? Gilboa Personally, I use OpenVPN. It's the same basic principle as vtun (I think, I have never actually used vtun), uses public keys for the actual authentication, is encrypted, and even has HTTP tunneling mode. Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Working for over a year
Wow wow wow, what long dicks you have over there! And now, for the embarassing questions: Does FC1 have regular security updates? If not, how do you secure your long dicks (sorry, long uptimers) against infections due to intimate contact (oops, Internet based attacks)? --- Omer On Wed, 2005-09-07 at 15:51 +0300, Ehud Karni wrote: This system (FC1, 2.4.22-1.2115.nptlsm) is working for over a year: 15:45:35 up 376 days, 13:18, 2 users, load average: 0.50, 0.37, 0.29 90 processes: 89 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: cpuusernice systemirq softirq iowaitidle total0.0%0.0%0.0% 0.0% 0.0%0.0% 199.8% cpu000.0%0.0%0.1% 0.0% 0.0%0.0% 99.8% cpu010.0%0.0%0.0% 0.0% 0.0%0.0% 100.0% Mem: 246500k av, 198776k used, 47724k free, 0k shrd, 43464k buff 57036k active, 91976k inactive Swap: 2096440k av, 40232k used, 2056208k free 64540k cached My 2nd oldest running system (RH 7.3, 2.4.18-4) is working for 10 months: 3:44pm up 318 days, 5:58, 1 user, load average: 0.97, 1.63, 3.70 50 processes: 48 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 0.0% user, 10.2% system, 0.0% nice, 89.8% idle Mem: 514384K av, 507868K used,6516K free, 0K shrd, 13540K buff Swap: 2097136K av,2940K used, 2094196K free 462288K cached -- Jara Cimrman! He is one of the unsung geniuses--scientist, engineer, inventor and literary critic. My own blog is at http://www.livejournal.com/users/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Working for over a year
On Wednesday 07 September 2005 16:29, Omer Zak wrote: Wow wow wow, what long dicks you have over there! And now, for the embarassing questions: Does FC1 have regular security updates? If not, how do you secure your long dicks (sorry, long uptimers) against infections due to intimate contact (oops, Internet based attacks)? # uptime 5:08pm up 1198 day(s), 1:24, 5 users, load average: 0.11, 0.10, 0.10 Solaris8. As for your question, look at the redhat/fedora legacy project. It tells you all that you need in order to keep FC1/FC2/RH7.3/RH9 updated using yum or apt, and using their repositories. As easy as yum update on some old systems I run. --Ariel -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: how do i get an ulta-small PC?
Quoth Geoffrey S. Mendelson: They are from a company called VIA from Tiawan. The owner is a born again CHristian. I DO NOT RECOMMEND USING THEM. Not because of his religon, but because of their business practices. Since Guy is looking at using their hardware as a generic Linux worksomething, not what you wanted to with it, Geoff, I think you're being overharsh. In my experience they outright lie about power consumption and heat output. They often DO NOT release open source drivers for their chips and you are stuck using a particular version of the Kernel for their binaries. One release of their video driver was for a Kernel that came as an update to dead rat 9. Again - for most of everything you need no drivers (excpet, maybe, their graphics chip - and it will work in generic vesa mode). As for the dead rat comment above - come now, Geoff - you seriously think the best Linux distro there is merits such a comment. M -- ---MAV Marc A. Volovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Swiftouch, LTD +972-544-676764 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Working for over a year
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 05:10:21PM +0300, Ariel Biener wrote:
On Wednesday 07 September 2005 16:29, Omer Zak wrote:
Wow wow wow, what long dicks you have over there!
# uptime
5:08pm up 1198 day(s), 1:24, 5 users, load average: 0.11, 0.10, 0.10
Solaris8.
http://counter.li.org/reports/uptimestats.php
cat /usr/local/bin/uptime EOF
#!/bin/sh
ssh omer uptime | awk '{$3++; print $0}'
EOF
(IIRC it only works in case omer actually has been up for more than a
day)
$ /usr/bin/uptime
17:44:17 up 10 days, 2:52, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
:-(
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Re: Working for over a year
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 05:45:13PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: http://counter.li.org/reports/uptimestats.php Also http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html, if you like this kind of literature. -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: how do i get an ulta-small PC?
On Wed, 7 Sep 2005, Ehud Karni wrote: On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:47:43 +0300 (IDT), Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Search google with the key 'micro itx brick' and see what you find. And maybe share it ? These have a following so: http://www.mini-itx.com/ could begood start for reviews etc. it's mini-itx, not micro-itx. i wish there was a micro-itx ;) micro-itx=120x120mm (smaller than mini-itx) Search for nano-itx, there are plenty (but I'm not sure you'll like the prices). Is this a pissing contest ? Cos' I want to win. Small, no video. lots of io, nice price: http://www.gumstix.com/spexwaysmalls.html Also must visit: http://www.linuxdevices.com/ where you may find what you need. The smallest linux sbc with vga out that I have ever seen was simm stick size, made by a czech company, but I cannot find it now. Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
