[Ltsp-discuss] Re:

2005-10-24 Thread Umberto Nicoletti
Pritesh,
please always post your questions to the ml for the benefit of other
people and also do not use html markup (I prefer and recommend plain
text).

Please check that you have the DISPLAY env variable set: open a shell
on one of the terminals while in graphics mode (not on the server!)
and type:

echo $DISPLAY

if it returns blank then you have something screwed in your ltsp
setup, else it should say:

hostname:x.y

The snippet below should return hostname.
Do the clients connect to the server and can you actually use them
(except for local device access of course)?
Can you post your client environment (copy and paste the output of the
following command: env )

Best regards,
Umberto

On 22 Oct 2005 11:47:41 -, pritesh  patel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  dear,

  i have installed ltsp-4.1.1 on the fc3 linux.
  i want to mount local devices such as floppy, harddisk and cdrom.
  i downloaded the lda-new archive and installed it...
  but still it is not working...

  can u explain me my following query?

  what will the following entries of the file LDA-functions and LDA-startup 
 will do?

  MYNAME=`echo $DISPLAY | cut -d: -f1 `

  i ran the command on terminal echo $DISPLAY | cut -d: -f1 but it returned 
 blank...
  i think the problem that the local devices are not mounted due to this..

  i want your urgent kind reply...

  pritesh patel
  (student of Masters of Computer Application, S P University, INDIA)





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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] desktop installation script

2005-10-24 Thread Umberto Nicoletti
If you run kde check out the kiosk app:

http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kiosktool/

Also check this link:

http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin/

Regards,
Umberto


On 10/21/05, Chris Fanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello all,

 I'm a beginner at LTSP but I'm already about to install my 4th terminal 
 server.

 Perhaps the most time consuming and tedious part of a terminal server
 installation are all the little things that need to be done to make
 the users enviroment acceptable to the user.
 Install flash plugin, $LANG and other enviroment stuff, default file
 associations, codecs, fonts, etc, etc, etc.
 I would like to try and write some kind of script to do this for me.

 Has anyone done this? I'd much prefer to contribute to an existing
 project instead of starting from scratch.

 Thanks.
 Chris.


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] desktop installation script

2005-10-24 Thread Chris Fanning
I included everything, except what is listed in
 http://www.elbnet.com/libsys/files/exclude
Thanks

This is for a debian system.
I'm using Debian too.

I see in
http://www.elbnet.com/libsys/files/INSTALL.txt that this is a woody install.
I'd like to download your
http://www.elbnet.com/libsys/files/libsys.tar.gz and try it out.
Is a testing(etch) base installation ok, or must it be woody?

I've got a library running on ltsp so I'll be checking out your
browser.jar too ;)

Thanks.
Chris.

On 10/21/05, Peter Billson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Chris Fanning wrote:
  Hi,
 
 
I do a base install of the OS on the new server then use rsync to
 copy a master copy of my server set up, which I keep on a portable USB
 drive.
 
  That sounds like just the sort of thing I'm thinking of.
 
 
 Of course I exclude a few files - i.e. /boot since the hardware is
 usually different, hostname, network interface set up, etc.
 
 
  Would it be too much to ask you for the list of excludes and includes
  to help get me started?
 
  Thanks.
  Chris.

 Chris,
I included everything, except what is listed in
 http://www.elbnet.com/libsys/files/exclude

This is for a debian system.

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[Ltsp-discuss] Having trouble with a Dell GX620

2005-10-24 Thread Patrick Keohane
Hi,

This is probably going to turn out to be a real newby request but here
goes ...

I am having trouble getting a Dell GX620 (ultra small unit) to boot via
PXE.

I am using a Dell GX620 Desktop machine loaded with Fedora Core 4 as the
LTSP Server and can boot an old Dell LS Laptop from it.

I understand that the Dell GX620 range contains the same basic hardware
and therefore assume that the GX620 Desktop and Ultra Small unit contain
the same on-board network card which is the Broadcom 57xx card.

When I try to boot the GX6200 Ultra Small unit it picks up the
pxelinux.0 and loads the kernel image (bzImage-2.6.9-ltsp-3) and the
initrd (initrd-2.6.9-ltsp-3.gz) messages scroll past until the process
stops with the messages:

ERROR! Could not automatically detect the network card.
PCI cards should be detected automatically ...

Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!

What have I tried:

Well,

1) I have checked what type of network card mod the kernel on the Server
is using and lsmod returns tg3 which I think is the correct driver for
the Broadcom 57xx.

2) I have a copy of the Ubuntu 5.10 install CD and have copied the
initrd and kernel images from it and configured the server to boot the
client from that. It worked!, and starts the install process. By
pressing Ctrl + Alt + F2 on the client (GX620 Ultra Small unit) I get a
shell and have checked what network card mod the kernel is using on the
client (lsmod returns tg3).

I have taken copies of both the Ubuntu 5.10 initrd and the initrd-2.6.9-
ltsp-3.gz unzipped them both and mounted them to check differences. As I
am sure you all know there are some, but the ones that seemed to be
relevant are around the modules.pcimap, modules.alias, and niclist
(there is not one in /etc in the Ubuntu initrd). The tg3.ko files are of
different sizes.

I have tried to bring the modules.pcimap and modules.alias files into
the same state and have copied the Ubuntu tg3.ko file over to the
initrd-2.6.9-ltsp-3 initrd. This was all done in a large number of steps
retesting between mods.

3) I have tried to download and compile both the linux-2.6.12 and
linux-2.6.13 kernels (with and without the Broadcom driver down loaded
from their website) but still get the same problem.

nb: I do get a couple of messages when using the buildk script which I
downloaded as part of the ltsp_initrd_kit. These are:

zipping initrd
running mknbi-linux
mknbi-linux: invalid option --output
ls: /usr/src/ltsp_initrd_kit/vmlinuz-2.6.12: No such file or directory

4) I have tried adding the option option-129  NIC=tg3;  line to the
dhcpd.conf file but to no joy.


Can anyone give me any pointers?

Best regards,


Patrick




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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Having trouble with a Dell GX620

2005-10-24 Thread Guenther Boelter

Patrick,

why everybody now has to use Ubuntu? Ubuntu is a nice and colorfull 
ditsribution, but Ubuntu is new and Ubuntu still has many bugs. That's 
normal for a one year old project but it's the reality?? Try debian, 
Fedora, Geento or whatever for the beginning.  Later you can change if 
you like.


Another problem: I can use 'any' used network-card, but If for example 
if somebody before has changed the settings for a 3Com-Card from 100 
MBit to 10MB, using the 3Com-Software for that, for Linux in the future 
it will be a 10MBit-Card. Linux don't know about the content of the 
eeprom of these card. To fix this, you need the 3Com-software.


In your special case, you should first change the card for testing. It's 
possible, there is a problem with the driver, a hardware problem with 
the pci-bus, an IRQ Problem or whatever. It's possible too, there is a 
problem with your network-card. Ether a hardware-problem or a problem 
wirh the eeprom-settings. But I don't think, this is a LTSP problem. In 
your case for example, what if somebody has changed the clock-rate for 
the pci-bus from 66 to 75. Many mainboard have a jumper for this. The 
risk is, your system will not be stable anymore. Sometimes it will work, 
sometimes not!


Really guys, the LTSP project is great and the software-package is good, 
but even for this you can not use 'any' old low cost hardware.


And there is another problem: Nearly all cards I know with a bootprom, 
the pxe-loader-software - the one inside the eeprom - is buggy. Low cost 
card, Intel or 3Com, it's all the same. I don't use bootproms anymore, I 
prefer Etherdisk instead.


Try it out, change the hardware and be patient .


Guenther
Davao City, Philippines, Planet Earth, 28.0 °C






Patrick Keohane wrote:


Hi,

This is probably going to turn out to be a real newby request but here
goes ...

I am having trouble getting a Dell GX620 (ultra small unit) to boot via
PXE.

I am using a Dell GX620 Desktop machine loaded with Fedora Core 4 as the
LTSP Server and can boot an old Dell LS Laptop from it.

I understand that the Dell GX620 range contains the same basic hardware
and therefore assume that the GX620 Desktop and Ultra Small unit contain
the same on-board network card which is the Broadcom 57xx card.

When I try to boot the GX6200 Ultra Small unit it picks up the
pxelinux.0 and loads the kernel image (bzImage-2.6.9-ltsp-3) and the
initrd (initrd-2.6.9-ltsp-3.gz) messages scroll past until the process
stops with the messages:

ERROR! Could not automatically detect the network card.
PCI cards should be detected automatically ...

Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!

What have I tried:

Well,

1) I have checked what type of network card mod the kernel on the Server
is using and lsmod returns tg3 which I think is the correct driver for
the Broadcom 57xx.

2) I have a copy of the Ubuntu 5.10 install CD and have copied the
initrd and kernel images from it and configured the server to boot the
client from that. It worked!, and starts the install process. By
pressing Ctrl + Alt + F2 on the client (GX620 Ultra Small unit) I get a
shell and have checked what network card mod the kernel is using on the
client (lsmod returns tg3).

I have taken copies of both the Ubuntu 5.10 initrd and the initrd-2.6.9-
ltsp-3.gz unzipped them both and mounted them to check differences. As I
am sure you all know there are some, but the ones that seemed to be
relevant are around the modules.pcimap, modules.alias, and niclist
(there is not one in /etc in the Ubuntu initrd). The tg3.ko files are of
different sizes.

I have tried to bring the modules.pcimap and modules.alias files into
the same state and have copied the Ubuntu tg3.ko file over to the
initrd-2.6.9-ltsp-3 initrd. This was all done in a large number of steps
retesting between mods.

3) I have tried to download and compile both the linux-2.6.12 and
linux-2.6.13 kernels (with and without the Broadcom driver down loaded
from their website) but still get the same problem.

nb: I do get a couple of messages when using the buildk script which I
downloaded as part of the ltsp_initrd_kit. These are:

zipping initrd
running mknbi-linux
mknbi-linux: invalid option --output
ls: /usr/src/ltsp_initrd_kit/vmlinuz-2.6.12: No such file or directory

4) I have tried adding the option option-129  NIC=tg3;  line to the
dhcpd.conf file but to no joy.


Can anyone give me any pointers?

Best regards,


Patrick
 





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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Having trouble with a Dell GX620

2005-10-24 Thread Joe Auerbach

Guenther Boelter wrote:


Patrick,

why everybody now has to use Ubuntu? Ubuntu is a nice and colorfull 
ditsribution, but Ubuntu is new and Ubuntu still has many bugs. That's 
normal for a one year old project but it's the reality?? Try debian, 
Fedora, Geento or whatever for the beginning.  Later you can change if 
you like. 


As an aside, I think this is a bad idea.  I've never used gentoo, but 
I've run ltsp on all of the above mentioned distros and ubuntu is by far 
the easiest.  it's also the most big-free distro I've ever used, and 
I've used every fedora since it began to now as well as the most recent 
version of debian.  The reason so many people are using it now is that 
it's working just fine. 


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Having trouble with a Dell GX620

2005-10-24 Thread Guenther Boelter

Joe,

I don't have a problem with Ubuntu, but fact is, Ubuntu is new and 
Ubuntu still has many bugs.


Specially if it comes to hardware problems, the people should use one of 
the standard-distros where they really can find help in the net. Ok, 
after that, after the have fixed the problem, they can try the same with 
Ubuntu, why not 


Now many people will change to Ubuntu plus LTSP. Why? Because the like 
to safe money. For many people it looks like, with Ubuntu the can use 
any old cheap hardware. But Linux is not Windows. What, if it will not 
work right away??? They will not complain about the cheap hardware, the 
will complain about Linux and LTSP, because with Windows before, they 
don't have problems ...


That's what I mean. And the reason why many people are using Ubuntu now, 
it's not because it's working just fine, it's because the good marketing 
of the Ubuntu Foundation, like CD-ROMS for free for example 



Guenther
Davao City, Philippines, Planet Earth



Joe Auerbach wrote:


Guenther Boelter wrote:


Patrick,

why everybody now has to use Ubuntu? Ubuntu is a nice and colorfull 
ditsribution, but Ubuntu is new and Ubuntu still has many bugs. 
That's normal for a one year old project but it's the reality?? Try 
debian, Fedora, Geento or whatever for the beginning.  Later you can 
change if you like. 



As an aside, I think this is a bad idea.  I've never used gentoo, but 
I've run ltsp on all of the above mentioned distros and ubuntu is by 
far the easiest.  it's also the most big-free distro I've ever used, 
and I've used every fedora since it began to now as well as the most 
recent version of debian.  The reason so many people are using it now 
is that it's working just fine.





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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Having trouble with a Dell GX620

2005-10-24 Thread Joe Auerbach

Guenther Boelter wrote:

I don't have a problem with Ubuntu, but fact is, Ubuntu is new and 
Ubuntu still has many bugs.


Specially if it comes to hardware problems, the people should use one 
of the standard-distros where they really can find help in the net. 
Ok, after that, after the have fixed the problem, they can try the 
same with Ubuntu, why not 


Now many people will change to Ubuntu plus LTSP. Why? Because the like 
to safe money. For many people it looks like, with Ubuntu the can use 
any old cheap hardware. But Linux is not Windows. What, if it will not 
work right away??? 


valid, but I don't see that problem coming up in any of hte ubuntu 
communities or across the linux community in general.  I've had far 
better luck with hardware in Unbuntu than I ever did with Fedora (heck, 
I WANTED fedora on my new home system and ubuntu worked perfectly while 
fedora gave me nothing but problems).   Also, ubuntu has far better 
community support than other distros, IME.


Either way, this is no lonmger on topic, so I'll stop.  I suppose it's 
probably safe to say that everyone has a different expereince and mine 
has been positive.


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] desktop installation script

2005-10-24 Thread Peter Billson

Chris,
  The libsys file is obsolete. You are welcome to use it, but it *must* 
be used with a Woody system. Syncing it with a Sarge or Etch system 
*will* give you a broken system.


  That browser.jar-catalog is for use on the OPACS (the address bar is 
disabled), but I also have a new one for 1.0.7 for public stations. I've 
upload it to the site.


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Chris Fanning wrote:

  I included everything, except what is listed in
http://www.elbnet.com/libsys/files/exclude


Thanks



  This is for a debian system.


I'm using Debian too.

I see in
http://www.elbnet.com/libsys/files/INSTALL.txt that this is a woody install.
I'd like to download your
http://www.elbnet.com/libsys/files/libsys.tar.gz and try it out.
Is a testing(etch) base installation ok, or must it be woody?

I've got a library running on ltsp so I'll be checking out your
browser.jar too ;)

Thanks.
Chris.

On 10/21/05, Peter Billson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Chris Fanning wrote:


Hi,




 I do a base install of the OS on the new server then use rsync to
copy a master copy of my server set up, which I keep on a portable USB
drive.


That sounds like just the sort of thing I'm thinking of.




  Of course I exclude a few files - i.e. /boot since the hardware is
usually different, hostname, network interface set up, etc.



Would it be too much to ask you for the list of excludes and includes
to help get me started?

Thanks.
Chris.


Chris,
  I included everything, except what is listed in
http://www.elbnet.com/libsys/files/exclude

  This is for a debian system.

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[Ltsp-discuss] Local Media Cybercafé customers' desktop (KDE Mepis)

2005-10-24 Thread Catherine Stéfan
Hello,

I have two questions, related to the implementation of LTSP as a cybercafé.

First question : I am using a Mepis with KDE and I would like to get rid of 
the icons (partitions, CD-ROM and floppy) that are automatically displayed on 
a new user's desktop. After hours of search, I still could not locate which 
file I should modify and put as such in /etc/skel.

The second question is about the local media. It works fine and I would like 
to put icons on the desktop that are corresponding to the local media (CDROM 
and Floppy). I use a cybercafé management software (DireqCafé 
http://www.silentcoder.co.za/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=DireqCafe ) that 
generates 'temporary' users and tickets with usernames to log one's in. 

The users are generated using the /etc/skel, but as nobody can guess which 
ticket (corresponding to a 'temporary' user) will be used on which machine, 
it is not relevant to generate a desktop icon pointing to :
smb://nobody@192.168.0.2/drives
if the session happens on the machine 192.168.0.10. 
The customer may be surprised to read the CD of another customer and not his 
own.

So my question is : is there a way to retrieve the name or IP of the 
thin-client that is being used by the customer ? The icons could then point 
to a little script that would itself display the content of the relevant 
local media.

Many thanks in advance for your tips and advice,

Catherine


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[Ltsp-discuss] Sound WebCam for LTSP

2005-10-24 Thread Guenther Boelter

Sorry guys,

I really have checked google.com for days now, but the result until now 
is negativ. My problem is, how can I connect a headset and a webcam to 
my LTSP-Terminals?


I know, there is a sound-package and sound is a well known problem with 
linux. But until now I was not able to fix it. Ether there is no sound 
or the sound sounds terrible at the workstation. I've tried ALSA, OSS 
and ESD, I've tried to start Skype with 'esd skype', but it's all the 
same: terrible or not working! I have tried NASD, the same. And the 
result after google.de, all the people have the same problem.


I really like LTSP, but the soundproblem realy should be fixed. I'm a 
german and I live in the Philippines since one year now. Here in Davao 
City we have arround the 300!!! Cybercafes with arround 3000!! 
computers, all with Windows (pirated Windows!) and s many people 
would like to change to Linux, but the people here can not live without 
Rice, cellphone, Sound and a webCam!


The only think I like to know is, is it possible or not? I know, it's 
all for free and so I should not complain. But believe me, I'm not 
complaining against LTSP. I'm only angry with the documentation incl. 
the wiki if it comes to this point. So many people have these problem, 
but it looks like, nobody knows the answer.


So please tell me, is it possible, yes or no? If yes, where can I get 
the right informations and why these informations are not a part of the 
documentation?


I'm 100% sure, if sound and webcam will work, this will be the next big 
step fir the LTSP project. And I am sure too, I am not the only one, who 
is interested to get an answer for this question.


Best Regards

Guenther
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[Ltsp-discuss] accessing a local usb drive

2005-10-24 Thread Christopher Mosentine
Hello all: I am new to the whole ltsp thing. I have
successfully setup a ltsp server and tested it with a pxe-bootable
workstation. My goal is to have a pxe bootable terminal connect
to a digital recorder, which when put into an I/O mode, will become a
standard usb HD.

So I guess I need to configure my setup so that a terminal-local usb
port will be active, detect when a usb hd is present, and perform some
i/o operations on the attached HD. I plan on using a java app. to
then upload the files from the recorder to an nfs server.

can someone help me out here? Point me to some documentation??

Thanks, Chris.


Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Sound WebCam for LTSP

2005-10-24 Thread Gudmund Areskoug

Hi Günther,

Guenther Boelter wrote:

Rice, cellphone, Sound and a webCam!

The only think I like to know is, is it possible or not? I know, it's 
all for free and so I should not complain. But believe me, I'm not 
complaining against LTSP. I'm only angry with the documentation incl. 
the wiki if it comes to this point. So many people have these problem, 


I'm sorry I can't tell you the answer, I don't even have a web camera...

...but I hope you will contribute to whatever wikis there are, once you 
know the answers, to save other from the aggravation and frustration 
you're going through :).


BR,
Gudmund
Uppsala, Sweden, Planet Earth (I think), and -4°C


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Sound WebCam for LTSP

2005-10-24 Thread Eugene Coetzee

Guenther Boelter wrote:


Sorry guys,

I really have checked google.com for days now, but the result until 
now is negativ. My problem is, how can I connect a headset and a 
webcam to my LTSP-Terminals?


Assuming that you are not a hardcore free software user - have you had a 
look at  munas at  http://www.advancedthintech.com/news/index_en.htm


I  haven't tried it myself - but I have heard of other people who had 
good things to say about it.


I know, there is a sound-package and sound is a well known problem 
with linux. But until now I was not able to fix it. Ether there is no 
sound or the sound sounds terrible at the workstation. I've tried 
ALSA, OSS and ESD, I've tried to start Skype with 'esd skype', but 
it's all the same: terrible or not working! I have tried NASD, the 
same. And the result after google.de, all the people have the same 
problem.


Some people claim to have solved the sound problem with LTSP (without 
resorting to munas) having produced more than horrible scrathing noises 
on the client.  These achievements are not well documented though and 
just how well they scale is also not clear.




I really like LTSP, but the soundproblem realy should be fixed. I'm a 
german and I live in the Philippines since one year now. Here in Davao 
City we have arround the 300!!! Cybercafes with arround 3000!! 
computers, all with Windows (pirated Windows!) and s many people 
would like to change to Linux, but the people here can not live 
without Rice, cellphone, Sound and a webCam!


I'm using LTSP in an Internet cafe setup - but only for business 
applications, email and browsing  because that is what LTSP in its 
present guise is very is good at.




I'm 100% sure, if sound and webcam will work, this will be the next 
big step fir the LTSP project. And I am sure too, I am not the only 
one, who is interested to get an answer for this question.




You can rest assured there is a lot of interest in a full multimedia 
capability for LTSP, especially for icafe's  and schoollabs - and the 
munsa project seems to indicate that it can be done - it has just not 
been a priority up to now.


regards,

Eugene Coetzee


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Sound WebCam for LTSP

2005-10-24 Thread Guenther Boelter
Yes, I've tried MuNAS, but it's not working too, the last supported 
kernel is 2.4.22.


It look like the project is about to die, the latest news on there 
homepage is from mai 1, 2004.


Regards

Guenther


Eugene Coetzee wrote:

Assuming that you are not a hardcore free software user - have you had 
a look at  munas at  http://www.advancedthintech.com/news/index_en.htm

.
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regards,

Eugene Coetzee





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