Running Retroarch on an M1 Mac.
I’ve attempted to reinstall/reconfigure Retroarch on my M1 Mac, which I knew was a step by step process to set up when configuring it on my 2011 MacBook. However, on trying to run the latest, I’m not even finding the settings menu to even begin the setup process. Is there just simply no means of doing this anymore, or has something about this process changed that needs to be updated as part of the user guide? -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/271B442A-C32D-45BC-A2FA-B61A379D9296%40gmail.com.
Re: No luck with Vocr what is missing.
Are you running this on the main screen or the install screen for a VM? I do File:New and then VOCR on the resulting screen. > On Sep 10, 2023, at 1:49 PM, mattias jonsson wrote: > > anders > use utm instead > vocr are litle tricky to install > >> 10 sep. 2023 kl. 20:34 skrev Anders Holmberg : >> >> Hi! >> I try to installl parallels desktop using Vocr and VOiceOver. >> WHen install is complete I get a screen with just parallels desktop and if >> I use voce on the screen I just get unknown. >> I sdo i do not understand how people are using this. >> Bless. >> /A >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/C680BA95-D28E-483D-8C45-CFC0C4B15F1A%40pipkrokodil.se. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/094DB7CB-DD0B-4A6F-A719-69BFD78EA51A%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/FF36C8CC-9139-48B9-AF22-2367187129A5%40gmail.com.
Re: bug or only a wrong setting
my answer should go here i soon plan to leave this political correct group are mac lovers so unhelpful? or you think apple follow this list? please admin remove me > 10 sep. 2023 kl. 21:03 skrev E.T. : > > macOS 14 is still in beta so we cannot help. After public release, of course > its fair game. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much." > -Helen Keller > My e-Mail: > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > > On 9/10/2023 11:53 AM, mattias jonsson wrote: >> in latest mac os 14 >> safari seems broken or are it only a wrong setting? >> when i do an google search and press down arrow for the search result >> voiceover only see the first result >> so i have to press vo+skift+up arrow to stop interact -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5ED9560F-E466-4285-B1F7-3B207382F80F%40gmail.com.
Re: bug or only a wrong setting
macOS 14 is still in beta so we cannot help. After public release, of course its fair game. From E.T.'s Keyboard... "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much." -Helen Keller My e-Mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 9/10/2023 11:53 AM, mattias jonsson wrote: in latest mac os 14 safari seems broken or are it only a wrong setting? when i do an google search and press down arrow for the search result voiceover only see the first result so i have to press vo+skift+up arrow to stop interact -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/2e810336-a0ca-4323-b5d0-5c34e8866168%40icloud.com.
bug or only a wrong setting
in latest mac os 14 safari seems broken or are it only a wrong setting? when i do an google search and press down arrow for the search result voiceover only see the first result so i have to press vo+skift+up arrow to stop interact -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/932C07F2-2C9C-4262-A0C3-5C94572D5C03%40gmail.com.
Re: No luck with Vocr what is missing.
anders use utm instead vocr are litle tricky to install > 10 sep. 2023 kl. 20:34 skrev Anders Holmberg : > > Hi! > I try to installl parallels desktop using Vocr and VOiceOver. > WHen install is complete I get a screen with just parallels desktop and if I > use voce on the screen I just get unknown. > I sdo i do not understand how people are using this. > Bless. > /A > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/C680BA95-D28E-483D-8C45-CFC0C4B15F1A%40pipkrokodil.se. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/094DB7CB-DD0B-4A6F-A719-69BFD78EA51A%40gmail.com.
Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility
Exactly Karen a hand dance. Yes I would say give caps lock vo a try. I am for sure going to pick up a full size keyboard with the numpad as soon as I can. Especially if that can help with interacting. On 9/10/23, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries wrote: > I agree that interaction makes working with the Mac much more efficient. > Having to navigate through every individual item would be unbearable. > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on > behalf of Brad Snyder > Date: Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 09:05 > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility > If you find Interacting so annoying, you can turn it off in VoiceOver > Utility, under the Navigation category > Grouping Behavior. > There are 4 options to choose from: Standard, Bookend Groups, Announce > groups, and Ignore groups. > Also, you can use the Tab key to enter and exit areas that require > interaction, without using VO + Shift + Up/Down Arrow keys. > > Personally, I find using standard grouping with interacting to be a highly > efficient method of navigating. > It allows for skipping over regions such as Toolbars, and tables when I > don’t need to interact with these regions. > I have been using a Mac for over 10 years, and this has been one of my > favorite features of using a Mac with VoiceOver. > > - Brad - > > > On Sep 10, 2023, at 04:57, lenron brown wrote: > > Interacting is one of the most annoying things, look for some using > the vo key along with another key can be much if I have to hold the vo > key and do other stuff. I made my vo key caps lock. Because there is > no way I am using 3 keys buy using option and the command key, then > whatever other key I need to press. Also Safari seems to be fine but I > am not testing the beta. I do however prefer chrome or firefox. > > On 9/9/23, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: > > There is a toggle command for VO keys but it is not used much and its > functionality has decresed now that the rotar and quicknav keys are > available. The quicknav keys work like JAWS virtual cursor, but are only > toggled manually by pressing the left and right arrow keys at the same > time. > Personally I like using a keyboard with a numpad and turning on numpad > commander then 2, 4, 6, and 8 do the VO commands up, left, right and down. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 9, 2023, at 7:56 AM, Tom Rash wrote: > > I’m still new whe it comes to the Mac. Is this a toggle command? > > > On Sep 8, 2023, at 9:40 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > That must be exactly why I don’t encounter the issue. I always use VO > commands when reading text (either via keyboard or the braille display). > So far as I remember, this is what the documentation recommends. > > Also, the command to move keyboard cursor to VO cursor is VO-Command-F4, > just to be sure you’re trying the right function. Moving the mouse > pointer there won’t do it. > > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > on behalf of Brad Snyder > Date: Friday, September 8, 2023 at 09:35 > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility > > You can avoid this issue by, after navigating to a Heading in an email > message, rather than using arrow keys, use VO navigation to navigate from > that point onward. > > > > - Brad - > > > On Sep 8, 2023, at 07:50, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > In Apple’s mail app, oftentimes in newslettters, when I jump to a > heading or link using voiceover commands and then attempt to read the > content underneath the heading with arrow keys, I find myself > frustratingly at the beginning of the newsletter again. Even when I > route mouse to voiceover I still don’t seem to be able to read from a > particular heading onwards using arrow keys. > > > > Andrew > > > > > On 8 Sep 2023, at 12:27, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > > > I’ve successfully navigated headings, links, etc., in e-mail messages on > the Mac, suing the usual Voiceover commands. So I don’t know what is > causing your problems here. > > I agree that such navigation works well under Windows, until Microsoft > Outlook crashes – then of course, one loses time restarting it, in some > cases, having to repair the data file corruption, which is the very > annoying aspect. > > Mozilla Thunderbird under Linux performs quite well for e-mail reading. > > > > From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries > > Date: Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 15:18 > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility > > I agree and I use the same tactic: Windows is superior on web navigation > and even email when it comes to newsletters where you can swiftly and > reliably navigate through headings and links and activate them - a > difficult if not impossible task in Apple mail. > > > > Andrew > > > > > > On 7 Sep 2023, at 18:32, lenron brown wrote: > > > > I hate web Browsing on the
No luck with Vocr what is missing.
Hi! I try to installl parallels desktop using Vocr and VOiceOver. WHen install is complete I get a screen with just parallels desktop and if I use voce on the screen I just get unknown. I sdo i do not understand how people are using this. Bless. /A -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/C680BA95-D28E-483D-8C45-CFC0C4B15F1A%40pipkrokodil.se.
Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility
I have begun to appreciate interaction, though I disliked it quite a bit at first. The approach used by Windows screen readers also has advantages and disadvantages. The screen reader has decided for you in advance what you consider the working part of the screen. It’s great when it works, but it doesn’t always, and you need a lot of skill to get around these restrictions when you can’t get to or use an essential part of the screen. All screen readers are attempting to make visual information non visual. That’s a tall order. Any approach will have advantages and disadvantages over any other approach. One isn’t good and the other evil. But since most of us don’t have the choice to just quit being blind, we just have to make a choice and live with it. But whichever one we choose, we are going to get better results if we learn that screen reader as well as we can. > On Sep 10, 2023, at 12:08 PM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > I agree that interaction makes working with the Mac much more efficient. > Having to navigate through every individual item would be unbearable. > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on > behalf of Brad Snyder > Date: Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 09:05 > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility > > If you find Interacting so annoying, you can turn it off in VoiceOver > Utility, under the Navigation category > Grouping Behavior. > There are 4 options to choose from: Standard, Bookend Groups, Announce > groups, and Ignore groups. > Also, you can use the Tab key to enter and exit areas that require > interaction, without using VO + Shift + Up/Down Arrow keys. > > Personally, I find using standard grouping with interacting to be a highly > efficient method of navigating. > It allows for skipping over regions such as Toolbars, and tables when I don’t > need to interact with these regions. > I have been using a Mac for over 10 years, and this has been one of my > favorite features of using a Mac with VoiceOver. > > - Brad - > > > > On Sep 10, 2023, at 04:57, lenron brown wrote: > > Interacting is one of the most annoying things, look for some using > the vo key along with another key can be much if I have to hold the vo > key and do other stuff. I made my vo key caps lock. Because there is > no way I am using 3 keys buy using option and the command key, then > whatever other key I need to press. Also Safari seems to be fine but I > am not testing the beta. I do however prefer chrome or firefox. > > On 9/9/23, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: > > There is a toggle command for VO keys but it is not used much and its > functionality has decresed now that the rotar and quicknav keys are > available. The quicknav keys work like JAWS virtual cursor, but are only > toggled manually by pressing the left and right arrow keys at the same time. > Personally I like using a keyboard with a numpad and turning on numpad > commander then 2, 4, 6, and 8 do the VO commands up, left, right and down. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 9, 2023, at 7:56 AM, Tom Rash wrote: > > I’m still new whe it comes to the Mac. Is this a toggle command? > > > On Sep 8, 2023, at 9:40 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > That must be exactly why I don’t encounter the issue. I always use VO > commands when reading text (either via keyboard or the braille display). > So far as I remember, this is what the documentation recommends. > > Also, the command to move keyboard cursor to VO cursor is VO-Command-F4, > just to be sure you’re trying the right function. Moving the mouse > pointer there won’t do it. > > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > on behalf of Brad Snyder > Date: Friday, September 8, 2023 at 09:35 > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility > > You can avoid this issue by, after navigating to a Heading in an email > message, rather than using arrow keys, use VO navigation to navigate from > that point onward. > > > > - Brad - > > > On Sep 8, 2023, at 07:50, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > In Apple’s mail app, oftentimes in newslettters, when I jump to a > heading or link using voiceover commands and then attempt to read the > content underneath the heading with arrow keys, I find myself > frustratingly at the beginning of the newsletter again. Even when I > route mouse to voiceover I still don’t seem to be able to read from a > particular heading onwards using arrow keys. > > > > Andrew > > > > > On 8 Sep 2023, at 12:27, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > > > I’ve successfully navigated headings, links, etc., in e-mail messages on > the Mac, suing the usual Voiceover commands. So I don’t know what is > causing your problems here. > > I agree that such navigation works well under Windows, until Microsoft > Outlook crashes – then of course,
Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility
I agree that interaction makes working with the Mac much more efficient. Having to navigate through every individual item would be unbearable. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of Brad Snyder Date: Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 09:05 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility If you find Interacting so annoying, you can turn it off in VoiceOver Utility, under the Navigation category > Grouping Behavior. There are 4 options to choose from: Standard, Bookend Groups, Announce groups, and Ignore groups. Also, you can use the Tab key to enter and exit areas that require interaction, without using VO + Shift + Up/Down Arrow keys. Personally, I find using standard grouping with interacting to be a highly efficient method of navigating. It allows for skipping over regions such as Toolbars, and tables when I don’t need to interact with these regions. I have been using a Mac for over 10 years, and this has been one of my favorite features of using a Mac with VoiceOver. - Brad - On Sep 10, 2023, at 04:57, lenron brown wrote: Interacting is one of the most annoying things, look for some using the vo key along with another key can be much if I have to hold the vo key and do other stuff. I made my vo key caps lock. Because there is no way I am using 3 keys buy using option and the command key, then whatever other key I need to press. Also Safari seems to be fine but I am not testing the beta. I do however prefer chrome or firefox. On 9/9/23, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: There is a toggle command for VO keys but it is not used much and its functionality has decresed now that the rotar and quicknav keys are available. The quicknav keys work like JAWS virtual cursor, but are only toggled manually by pressing the left and right arrow keys at the same time. Personally I like using a keyboard with a numpad and turning on numpad commander then 2, 4, 6, and 8 do the VO commands up, left, right and down. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2023, at 7:56 AM, Tom Rash wrote: I’m still new whe it comes to the Mac. Is this a toggle command? On Sep 8, 2023, at 9:40 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries wrote: That must be exactly why I don’t encounter the issue. I always use VO commands when reading text (either via keyboard or the braille display). So far as I remember, this is what the documentation recommends. Also, the command to move keyboard cursor to VO cursor is VO-Command-F4, just to be sure you’re trying the right function. Moving the mouse pointer there won’t do it. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of Brad Snyder Date: Friday, September 8, 2023 at 09:35 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility You can avoid this issue by, after navigating to a Heading in an email message, rather than using arrow keys, use VO navigation to navigate from that point onward. - Brad - On Sep 8, 2023, at 07:50, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote: In Apple’s mail app, oftentimes in newslettters, when I jump to a heading or link using voiceover commands and then attempt to read the content underneath the heading with arrow keys, I find myself frustratingly at the beginning of the newsletter again. Even when I route mouse to voiceover I still don’t seem to be able to read from a particular heading onwards using arrow keys. Andrew On 8 Sep 2023, at 12:27, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries wrote: I’ve successfully navigated headings, links, etc., in e-mail messages on the Mac, suing the usual Voiceover commands. So I don’t know what is causing your problems here. I agree that such navigation works well under Windows, until Microsoft Outlook crashes – then of course, one loses time restarting it, in some cases, having to repair the data file corruption, which is the very annoying aspect. Mozilla Thunderbird under Linux performs quite well for e-mail reading. From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries Date: Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 15:18 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility I agree and I use the same tactic: Windows is superior on web navigation and even email when it comes to newsletters where you can swiftly and reliably navigate through headings and links and activate them - a difficult if not impossible task in Apple mail. Andrew On 7 Sep 2023, at 18:32, lenron brown wrote: I hate web Browsing on the mac. Most other things I am good with. I use both platforms for different reasons, even having a 2023 MBP 14 with max chip. I still use my windows computers as my daily drivers. I like my mac for vocr and logic, and a few other things. Some things can just be slower on a mac when it comes to page navagation and a couple other things, I just would rather not deal with it. On 9/7/23, Mohamed Fayed wrote: Hi, I’ve lately switched from 2016 15” MBP to 2023 M2Max 16””.
Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility
Is not it amazing that choices exists so that one can create he interaction process that works best for them? May have to look into making the vo key cap lock instead. On some laptops there is only one combination on one side. I type very fast indeed. Personally it is frustrating being slowed down while I try to create just the right hand dance for vo keys and something else. Imagine the beauty here is that everyone brings their individual experience to computing, and seemingly Apple has a path allowing inclusion for that experience, most of the time at least. Now, if I could just sit in the same room as a trainer and learn the basics so I could use the thing laughs! On Sun, 10 Sep 2023, Brad Snyder wrote: If you find Interacting so annoying, you can turn it off in VoiceOver Utility, under the Navigation category > Grouping Behavior. There are 4 options to choose from: Standard, Bookend Groups, Announce groups, and Ignore groups. Also, you can use the Tab key to enter and exit areas that require interaction, without using VO + Shift + Up/Down Arrow keys. Personally, I find using standard grouping with interacting to be a highly efficient method of navigating. It allows for skipping over regions such as Toolbars, and tables when I don???t need to interact with these regions. I have been using a Mac for over 10 years, and this has been one of my favorite features of using a Mac with VoiceOver. - Brad - On Sep 10, 2023, at 04:57, lenron brown wrote: Interacting is one of the most annoying things, look for some using the vo key along with another key can be much if I have to hold the vo key and do other stuff. I made my vo key caps lock. Because there is no way I am using 3 keys buy using option and the command key, then whatever other key I need to press. Also Safari seems to be fine but I am not testing the beta. I do however prefer chrome or firefox. On 9/9/23, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: There is a toggle command for VO keys but it is not used much and its functionality has decresed now that the rotar and quicknav keys are available. The quicknav keys work like JAWS virtual cursor, but are only toggled manually by pressing the left and right arrow keys at the same time. Personally I like using a keyboard with a numpad and turning on numpad commander then 2, 4, 6, and 8 do the VO commands up, left, right and down. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2023, at 7:56???AM, Tom Rash wrote: ???I???m still new whe it comes to the Mac. Is this a toggle command? On Sep 8, 2023, at 9:40 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries wrote: That must be exactly why I don???t encounter the issue. I always use VO commands when reading text (either via keyboard or the braille display). So far as I remember, this is what the documentation recommends. Also, the command to move keyboard cursor to VO cursor is VO-Command-F4, just to be sure you???re trying the right function. Moving the mouse pointer there won???t do it. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of Brad Snyder Date: Friday, September 8, 2023 at 09:35 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility You can avoid this issue by, after navigating to a Heading in an email message, rather than using arrow keys, use VO navigation to navigate from that point onward. - Brad - On Sep 8, 2023, at 07:50, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote: ???In Apple???s mail app, oftentimes in newslettters, when I jump to a heading or link using voiceover commands and then attempt to read the content underneath the heading with arrow keys, I find myself frustratingly at the beginning of the newsletter again. Even when I route mouse to voiceover I still don???t seem to be able to read from a particular heading onwards using arrow keys. Andrew On 8 Sep 2023, at 12:27, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries wrote: I???ve successfully navigated headings, links, etc., in e-mail messages on the Mac, suing the usual Voiceover commands. So I don???t know what is causing your problems here. I agree that such navigation works well under Windows, until Microsoft Outlook crashes ??? then of course, one loses time restarting it, in some cases, having to repair the data file corruption, which is the very annoying aspect. Mozilla Thunderbird under Linux performs quite well for e-mail reading. From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries Date: Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 15:18 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility I agree and I use the same tactic: Windows is superior on web navigation and even email when it comes to newsletters where you can swiftly and reliably navigate through headings and links and activate them - a difficult if not impossible task in Apple mail. Andrew On 7 Sep 2023, at 18:32, lenron brown wrote: I hate web Browsing on the mac. Most other things I am good with. I use both platforms for
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If you find Interacting so annoying, you can turn it off in VoiceOver Utility, under the Navigation category > Grouping Behavior. There are 4 options to choose from: Standard, Bookend Groups, Announce groups, and Ignore groups. Also, you can use the Tab key to enter and exit areas that require interaction, without using VO + Shift + Up/Down Arrow keys. Personally, I find using standard grouping with interacting to be a highly efficient method of navigating. It allows for skipping over regions such as Toolbars, and tables when I don’t need to interact with these regions. I have been using a Mac for over 10 years, and this has been one of my favorite features of using a Mac with VoiceOver. - Brad - On Sep 10, 2023, at 04:57, lenron brown wrote: Interacting is one of the most annoying things, look for some using the vo key along with another key can be much if I have to hold the vo key and do other stuff. I made my vo key caps lock. Because there is no way I am using 3 keys buy using option and the command key, then whatever other key I need to press. Also Safari seems to be fine but I am not testing the beta. I do however prefer chrome or firefox. On 9/9/23, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: > There is a toggle command for VO keys but it is not used much and its > functionality has decresed now that the rotar and quicknav keys are > available. The quicknav keys work like JAWS virtual cursor, but are only > toggled manually by pressing the left and right arrow keys at the same time. > Personally I like using a keyboard with a numpad and turning on numpad > commander then 2, 4, 6, and 8 do the VO commands up, left, right and down. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 9, 2023, at 7:56 AM, Tom Rash wrote: >> >> I’m still new whe it comes to the Mac. Is this a toggle command? >> >>> On Sep 8, 2023, at 9:40 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries >>> wrote: >>> >>> That must be exactly why I don’t encounter the issue. I always use VO >>> commands when reading text (either via keyboard or the braille display). >>> So far as I remember, this is what the documentation recommends. >>> >>> Also, the command to move keyboard cursor to VO cursor is VO-Command-F4, >>> just to be sure you’re trying the right function. Moving the mouse >>> pointer there won’t do it. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> on behalf of Brad Snyder >>> Date: Friday, September 8, 2023 at 09:35 >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility >>> >>> You can avoid this issue by, after navigating to a Heading in an email >>> message, rather than using arrow keys, use VO navigation to navigate from >>> that point onward. >>> >>> >>> >>> - Brad - >>> >>> >>> On Sep 8, 2023, at 07:50, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries >>> wrote: >>> >>> In Apple’s mail app, oftentimes in newslettters, when I jump to a >>> heading or link using voiceover commands and then attempt to read the >>> content underneath the heading with arrow keys, I find myself >>> frustratingly at the beginning of the newsletter again. Even when I >>> route mouse to voiceover I still don’t seem to be able to read from a >>> particular heading onwards using arrow keys. >>> >>> >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> >>> On 8 Sep 2023, at 12:27, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries wrote: I’ve successfully navigated headings, links, etc., in e-mail messages on the Mac, suing the usual Voiceover commands. So I don’t know what is causing your problems here. I agree that such navigation works well under Windows, until Microsoft Outlook crashes – then of course, one loses time restarting it, in some cases, having to repair the data file corruption, which is the very annoying aspect. Mozilla Thunderbird under Linux performs quite well for e-mail reading. From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries Date: Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 15:18 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility I agree and I use the same tactic: Windows is superior on web navigation and even email when it comes to newsletters where you can swiftly and reliably navigate through headings and links and activate them - a difficult if not impossible task in Apple mail. Andrew > On 7 Sep 2023, at 18:32, lenron brown wrote: > > > > I hate web Browsing on the mac. Most other things I am good with. I > use both platforms for different reasons, even having a 2023 MBP 14 > with max chip. I still use my windows computers as my daily drivers. I > like my mac for vocr and logic, and a few other things. Some things > can just be slower on a mac when it comes to page navagation and a > couple other things, I just would rather not deal with it. >
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I use Numpad Commander on my Apple Magic Keyboard with Numeric Keypad. Interacting is so much easier. Interact with Numpad 9 and uninteract with Numpad 7. > On Sep 10, 2023, at 04:57, lenron brown wrote: > > Interacting is one of the most annoying things, look for some using > the vo key along with another key can be much if I have to hold the vo > key and do other stuff. I made my vo key caps lock. Because there is > no way I am using 3 keys buy using option and the command key, then > whatever other key I need to press. Also Safari seems to be fine but I > am not testing the beta. I do however prefer chrome or firefox. > > On 9/9/23, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: >> There is a toggle command for VO keys but it is not used much and its >> functionality has decresed now that the rotar and quicknav keys are >> available. The quicknav keys work like JAWS virtual cursor, but are only >> toggled manually by pressing the left and right arrow keys at the same time. >> Personally I like using a keyboard with a numpad and turning on numpad >> commander then 2, 4, 6, and 8 do the VO commands up, left, right and down. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 9, 2023, at 7:56 AM, Tom Rash wrote: >>> >>> I’m still new whe it comes to the Mac. Is this a toggle command? >>> On Sep 8, 2023, at 9:40 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries wrote: That must be exactly why I don’t encounter the issue. I always use VO commands when reading text (either via keyboard or the braille display). So far as I remember, this is what the documentation recommends. Also, the command to move keyboard cursor to VO cursor is VO-Command-F4, just to be sure you’re trying the right function. Moving the mouse pointer there won’t do it. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of Brad Snyder Date: Friday, September 8, 2023 at 09:35 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility You can avoid this issue by, after navigating to a Heading in an email message, rather than using arrow keys, use VO navigation to navigate from that point onward. - Brad - On Sep 8, 2023, at 07:50, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote: In Apple’s mail app, oftentimes in newslettters, when I jump to a heading or link using voiceover commands and then attempt to read the content underneath the heading with arrow keys, I find myself frustratingly at the beginning of the newsletter again. Even when I route mouse to voiceover I still don’t seem to be able to read from a particular heading onwards using arrow keys. Andrew > On 8 Sep 2023, at 12:27, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > > > I’ve successfully navigated headings, links, etc., in e-mail messages on > the Mac, suing the usual Voiceover commands. So I don’t know what is > causing your problems here. > > I agree that such navigation works well under Windows, until Microsoft > Outlook crashes – then of course, one loses time restarting it, in some > cases, having to repair the data file corruption, which is the very > annoying aspect. > > Mozilla Thunderbird under Linux performs quite well for e-mail reading. > > > > From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries > > Date: Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 15:18 > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility > > I agree and I use the same tactic: Windows is superior on web navigation > and even email when it comes to newsletters where you can swiftly and > reliably navigate through headings and links and activate them - a > difficult if not impossible task in Apple mail. > > > > Andrew > > > > >> On 7 Sep 2023, at 18:32, lenron brown wrote: >> >> >> >> I hate web Browsing on the mac. Most other things I am good with. I >> use both platforms for different reasons, even having a 2023 MBP 14 >> with max chip. I still use my windows computers as my daily drivers. I >> like my mac for vocr and logic, and a few other things. Some things >> can just be slower on a mac when it comes to page navagation and a >> couple other things, I just would rather not deal with it. >> >> On 9/7/23, Mohamed Fayed wrote: >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I’ve lately switched from 2016 15” MBP to 2023 M2Max 16””. The gain in >>> performance is tremendous and you will notice it. >>> >>> For issues related to “mail is not responding”, it occurs when you >>> make the >>> exact keystrokes, but Voiceover continues within a significantly >>> shorter >>> duration. >>>
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Interacting is one of the most annoying things, look for some using the vo key along with another key can be much if I have to hold the vo key and do other stuff. I made my vo key caps lock. Because there is no way I am using 3 keys buy using option and the command key, then whatever other key I need to press. Also Safari seems to be fine but I am not testing the beta. I do however prefer chrome or firefox. On 9/9/23, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: > There is a toggle command for VO keys but it is not used much and its > functionality has decresed now that the rotar and quicknav keys are > available. The quicknav keys work like JAWS virtual cursor, but are only > toggled manually by pressing the left and right arrow keys at the same time. > Personally I like using a keyboard with a numpad and turning on numpad > commander then 2, 4, 6, and 8 do the VO commands up, left, right and down. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 9, 2023, at 7:56 AM, Tom Rash wrote: >> >> I’m still new whe it comes to the Mac. Is this a toggle command? >> >>> On Sep 8, 2023, at 9:40 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries >>> wrote: >>> >>> That must be exactly why I don’t encounter the issue. I always use VO >>> commands when reading text (either via keyboard or the braille display). >>> So far as I remember, this is what the documentation recommends. >>> >>> Also, the command to move keyboard cursor to VO cursor is VO-Command-F4, >>> just to be sure you’re trying the right function. Moving the mouse >>> pointer there won’t do it. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> on behalf of Brad Snyder >>> Date: Friday, September 8, 2023 at 09:35 >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility >>> >>> You can avoid this issue by, after navigating to a Heading in an email >>> message, rather than using arrow keys, use VO navigation to navigate from >>> that point onward. >>> >>> >>> >>> - Brad - >>> >>> >>> On Sep 8, 2023, at 07:50, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries >>> wrote: >>> >>> In Apple’s mail app, oftentimes in newslettters, when I jump to a >>> heading or link using voiceover commands and then attempt to read the >>> content underneath the heading with arrow keys, I find myself >>> frustratingly at the beginning of the newsletter again. Even when I >>> route mouse to voiceover I still don’t seem to be able to read from a >>> particular heading onwards using arrow keys. >>> >>> >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> >>> On 8 Sep 2023, at 12:27, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries wrote: I’ve successfully navigated headings, links, etc., in e-mail messages on the Mac, suing the usual Voiceover commands. So I don’t know what is causing your problems here. I agree that such navigation works well under Windows, until Microsoft Outlook crashes – then of course, one loses time restarting it, in some cases, having to repair the data file corruption, which is the very annoying aspect. Mozilla Thunderbird under Linux performs quite well for e-mail reading. From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries Date: Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 15:18 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility I agree and I use the same tactic: Windows is superior on web navigation and even email when it comes to newsletters where you can swiftly and reliably navigate through headings and links and activate them - a difficult if not impossible task in Apple mail. Andrew > On 7 Sep 2023, at 18:32, lenron brown wrote: > > > > I hate web Browsing on the mac. Most other things I am good with. I > use both platforms for different reasons, even having a 2023 MBP 14 > with max chip. I still use my windows computers as my daily drivers. I > like my mac for vocr and logic, and a few other things. Some things > can just be slower on a mac when it comes to page navagation and a > couple other things, I just would rather not deal with it. > > On 9/7/23, Mohamed Fayed wrote: > > >> Hi, >> >> I’ve lately switched from 2016 15” MBP to 2023 M2Max 16””. The gain in >> performance is tremendous and you will notice it. >> >> For issues related to “mail is not responding”, it occurs when you >> make the >> exact keystrokes, but Voiceover continues within a significantly >> shorter >> duration. >> >> For web browsing, Safari nowadays is pretty bad. This is not related >> to VO. >> You may try Google Chrome or MS Edge instead. >> >> Windows on Apple Silicon is significantly faster. If there is a chance >> to >> get to Apple Silicon device, and try it yourself, that would be great. >> >> The issue that annoys me the most is VO stops talking. It is on Mac
