Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] BBC live does not work through DAC
changed settings in LMS for live stream to WMA and all fine now. Thanks. dood's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56698 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95994 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] How to make Logitech Media Server rescan
Hi guys, i'm newbie on this forum, I have Synology DS 1812+ and installed package Logitech Media Server from synology , but the problem is it can not rescan when adding the new music files Can anyone know how to make it rescan Please, help Thank you pterpm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96002 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Who could tell me the reason that the SBT doesn't support the East Asian Scripts?
I am curious about the difference between using Font Replacer and the Google android fonts workaround to display Chinese characters. I've been using the Google Android fonts method. The font looks nice and everything, but I've find upgrading squeezebox touch to be problematic. Occasionally, after the upgrade, the screen would come up blank, unless I do a factory default. This wipes out the Android font and I have to find the instructions and re-do it again. Does Font Replacer works the same way as the android font method? It's info seems to indicate it won't replace the UI font, so I am curious how exactly it works. Thanks. wildgoose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23501 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95811 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Who could tell me the reason that the SBT doesn't support the East Asian Scripts?
wildgoose wrote: I am curious about the difference between using Font Replacer and the Google android fonts workaround to display Chinese characters. I've been using the Google Android fonts method. The font looks nice and everything, but I've find upgrading squeezebox touch to be problematic. Occasionally, after the upgrade, the screen would come up blank, unless I do a factory default. This wipes out the Android font and I have to find the instructions and re-do it again. Does Font Replacer works the same way as the android font method? It's info seems to indicate it won't replace the UI font, so I am curious how exactly it works. Thanks. The fonts from Font Replacer look like the Google android fonts and it just replacing the fonts with the CJK fonts. You can un-install the Font Replacer if you don't like it. ply3908's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38634 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95811 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Seeking SBT Hard- Software Architecture Description
I am a new owner of a Squeezebox Touch. I've been happily using it for listening to Internet radio streams, and I've been reading various posts on this forum seeking information that will help me assemble a SBT-based setup that meets my other listening interests and priorities. Has anyone posted a function-oriented description of the various hardware and software elements of the SBT--sort of a system architecture portrait? I've been gleaning some of that type of info from forum posts, but I don't have a full and accurate understanding of how the software (Squeezebox Server, Logitech Media Server, TinySB)--whether in the SBT or sitting elsewhere--works with the SBT and ancillary gear (while having been a computer user since DOS days, I'm rather ignorant about client/server stuff; obviously the SBT is to some degree a specialized server device). Such understanding seems essential for making decisions about what I would need for what I want a system to do. My interests and priorities (beyond accessing streams): I intend to move the data from all of my CDs (numbering over 2000, and slowly growing) onto a hard drive, along with some number of purchased files. I hate dropouts while listening; since I'm not yet sure that the WiFi in my main listening room is stable enough to avoid them, I have to decide whether my library drive will be plugged directly into my SBT, or into my WiFi router (currently an Apple Airport Extreme). Given the long process of ripping and tagging that many discs, I want to know that a drive I buy for my music library will actually work--I'd hate to buy one only to have to spend time and effort returning it. I've tried plugging three USB hard drives into my SBT, with and without external power supplies, with and without a powered hub; one drive has never been recognized (nor have any USB thumb drives I've tried). At some point I'll swap enclosures with a drive that is recognized, but my time for such experimenting is limited--I'm into all of this more for the music than for the hobbyist adventure). I'd like to determine in advance whether a particular USB or NAS hard drive will work. Since I certainly will be adding music to my library, convenient system or network access to an optical drive, ripping/tagging software and WiFi makes sense, right? Given that, along with my concerns about finding a good library hard drive, I want to assess the pluses and minuses of using the SBT with a Vortexbox Appliance, SqueezePlug or fit-PC. Once I get this system up and running well, I intend to check out the sound of high bit depth/high sample rate files, and also consider measures for improving the general sound of the system (external DAC; improved power supply), funds permitting. For now, the sound quality of the SBT is more than sufficient for me. I'm sure I will have further questions for the forum members as I continue along this path, but for now I'll ask: would someone please point me to--or post--a system architecture description of the SBT software and hardware? jeromeharris's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96003 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
dood wrote: If you are happy with the sound of your set up with a different source, eg CD player, then the problem is not your amp or speakers. In that case an external DAC will make the most difference, certainly more than power suppiles, cables etc. Possibly. However, I have three Touches. One outputs to an external DAC. Two use the Touch internal DAC. If anything, the internal DAC tends to tame both frequency extremes. Since the OP complains of sound that is too bright and 'digital', it is unlikely that an external DAC will help. it's also quite doubtful that a different power supply will help, for the same reason. But we all listen for different clues and to different kinds of music, so it's certainly worth a try if the OP can borrow a good DAC. Nothing like listening with one's own ears! Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
Dazed and Confused wrote: Thanks for your advice so far. The rest of my system (amp speakers) is as follows: Luxman L-505u Integrated Amplifier Audiosmile Kensai speakers. I suppose all electronics need a 'burn in' time so I'll leave it playing for a while and see if the digital glare diminishes. I do keep reading that the power supply is best ditched and replaced by something 'better', but the most of these replacements seem to exceed the price of the Touch itself! Your Luxman is very probably not the culprit. I'm not familiar with your speakers, but you may try playing with their placement and different toe-in angles. There is nothing that needs burn-in time in the Touch. But it's still a good idea to listen to a variety of music over a few weeks so that you may fully familiarize yourself with the sound and decide whether or not it meets your expectations. Happy listening! Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Seeking SBT Hard- Software Architecture Description
To get you started read a bunch of this material. Somewhat outdated with terms (squeezenetwork is now my squeezebox.com and squeezecenter is LMS). But still very useful. http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Main_Page Also, much more active group at Forums.slimdevices.com I'll post more, but for now id say avoid tinyLMS built into touch. Otherwise, great system. I have about 70,000 FLAC files and play them with no issues, controlling my whole house system from laptop, iPhone, or iPad. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96003 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Seeking SBT Hard- Software Architecture Description
Welcome to the Squeezebox (SB) world. You've got a whole lot of questions in your first post, mixed in with some correct observations and some apparent misperceptions. I don't think I can address all of them, but I'll try to get to the key ones. First, just because the wifi in your listening room is iffy doesn't mean you have to go with the Touch's built-in server (I'll call it TinyLMS) and a directly-attached USB drive. The TinyLMS+USB drive approach works for some and fails for others, but overall it has to be the most unreliable aspect of the whole SB system. Is there a way to run ethernet (cat5e or cat6) cable to your listening room? If not, what about homeplug adapters, which carry wired network traffic over your home's electrical wiring? Or adding a wifi access point in or near the listening room? In the end, improving the connectivity of your listening room to avoid dropouts is likely to be more satisfying than using TinyLMS plus an external drive. Second, as for system architecture, you correctly surmise that it's a client/server system. However, the Touch is primarily a client, and its server function is a distant second. The Touch, like all Squeezebox models, has to be connected to a server. That server could be LMS running on a computer (or on a NAS, or TinyLMS on an SB Touch) on your local network, or it could be mysqueezebox.com, which is the server in the cloud. For playing back your ripped CDs, you usually need to have a local LMS/TinyLMS running. I say usually because there is a paid subscription service on mysqueezebox.com called MP3Tunes that allows you to upload your tracks (MP3 versions only) to an online storage site, and then play them back from there. But usually mysqueezebox.com (or mysb.com for lazy typists like me) is used for streaming from the internet: internet radio and services such as Pandora, Slacker, Rhapsody, Spotify, MOG, Last.fm, and others. Btw, it probably also helps to know that slimserver, SqueezeCenter (SC), Squeezebox Server (SBS), and Logitech Media Server (LMS) are all different names for the same thing, namely the server software that runs on a pc, NAS, or Touch (in a stripped-down version on the Touch). Apparently when they get bored at Logitech they rename things fairly indiscriminately. As for the pluses and minuses of Vortexbox Appliance, squeezeplug, or FitPC, my advice is that there is no hurry. Presumably you have a computer at present. Can you run LMS on that? If so, I would get started with that while you sort out issues such as the wifi in your listening room and ripping your CDs. It's always easy to upgrade/change your LMS server hardware later. My particular route started from an old surplus Dell desktop running Ubuntu to a hacked LinkStation NAS to a different hacked LinkStation NAS to my current headless Atom-based nettop that I assembled using largely the same hardware as a Vortexbox Appliance. And I still do all my ripping on my Windows laptop. Hope this helps at least a little. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96003 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
guidof wrote: There is nothing that needs burn-in time in the Touch. But it's still a good idea to listen to a variety of music over a few weeks so that you may fully familiarize yourself with the sound and decide whether or not it meets your expectations. Agreed. My earlier suggestion about giving the Touch a few days' listening was entirely about giving the device a fair hearing and not at all about burn-in. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Seeking SBT Hard- Software Architecture Description
jeromeharris wrote: Has anyone posted a function-oriented description of the various hardware and software elements of the SBT--sort of a system architecture portrait? You asked for it! I'll describe the architecture for the newer devices such as the SBT, it's slightly different for the older devices. The squeeze box system architecture consists of three logical parts: servers, players and controllers connected by a network. These do NOT have to be separate boxes. The server is the brains of the operation. Servers send audio data to players, the players can only play what they get sent by a server. There are two basic categories of server: local server (currently called LMS) and the server in the cloud: MySqueezeBox.com. LMS manages a collection of music files, it keeps a database of information about each of these files, name, artist, album, year etc. In most cases this information is stored in tags embedded in the files. (It can come from other sources, but thats another discussion). The server allows the user to search through this information in various ways to choose what music to listen to. After the user chooses a selection of files to listen to it reads the files and streams the audio data to one or more players over the network. There are several different stream formats supported, the user can choose which to use. LMS can also connect to music streams over the internet (internet radio) and stream this to the players. MySqueezeBox.com is implemented by big server computers located in various locations around the world implementing MANY MANY instances of s special server. This server serves two primary purposes, it allows players to receive music when you don't have a local LMS server (or it's turned off) and it is the gateway to internet based music services (Pandora, Rhapsody etc) The logical player is a black box, audio data comes in over the network and audio of some form comes out. Note there is NO user interface on this logical construct. The user interface exists in the controller entity. The controller is the user interface for the system. It talks to a SERVER, NOT a player. It tells the server to start sending audio to a specific player. It sends queries to the server (to find music by different criteria), displays the results and send the user's slection back to the server. Most of the servers actually contain a controller in the form of a web page as well These different logical parts of the system can come in different combinations in actual hardware. For example the Touch has all three. The Duet comes with a separte black box player and separate hand held controller. There are several software players, so you can listen to the music on your laptop etc. Some have controlers, some do not. There are controller programs that run on all kinds of computers, and controller apps for iPhones, iPads and android devices. You can also get player apps for these as well so you can plug a headphone into the phone and listen to the music as well as using it to control the hardware devices. The parts in the hardware devices are not dedicated to each other, although they usually work that way. For example you can use the controller in the Touch to control the player in another SB and use your phone to control the player in the Touch. You can have the Player in the Touch connected to MySqueezeBox.com while the server in the Touch is sending music to a software player on a laptop. It's an incredibly flexible system. The server in the Touch is special, it's called TinyLMS, it's the same server but it has a lot of stuff turned off so it will fit in the small amount of memory in the Touch hardware. It's not exactly what you would call rock solid, plug and play, it's trying to do a lot on very limited resources and if you are not careful it can become a very frustrating experience. It sounds like from your post you are NOT a person who would relish the task of getting TinyLMS to do what you want. This is not to say it's useless, some people manage to use it just fine, but others are constantly fighting it. My impression here is that you would probably be better off with a server on a separate computer. This does NOT have to be a full blown expensive computer, it can be a something like a SheevaPlug (which looks like a wall wart power supply, but is actually a computer) which costs $100. You plug your USB drive into it and plug the ethernet into the network or directly into the Touch. There are MANY choices for a server and how you can hookup a system. You can use an already existing computer, but when that computer is turned off, you can't get any music out of it. If a computer has WOL (Wake On Lan) the server can be sleeping when not playing music and the Touch can tell it to wake up when you want to listen to music. Many of us hard core SqueezBox users have dedicated music servers, because the music goes over the network you can stick the
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] can't see playlists in squeezebox touch
dood wrote: i am also experiencing difficulties seeing playlists on my SBT. I have all my music on a QNAP NAS which stays on 24/7. I have done test playlists on itunes on my laptop, and exported the xml and M3U playlists to the playlist folder in multimedia on the NAS, but these do not show up on the SBT. How do I create playlists using LMS on NAS rather than computer? ok some progress but not there yet. I went into LMS and mapped the itunes playlists to the the NAS multimediaplaylist folder. Now I can see the playlists on the SBT but they are empty. I assume this is because the songs that I put into the playlists were from the music library on my computer (even though the music files are stored on the NAS in the multimediamusic folder). In itunes I can see the NAS and this displays all the songs on it. However, I cannot drag these songs into the playlists (red circle icon comes up), but I can drag songs from the music library to the playlists. As I've said these songs from the music library don't show up on the SBT. What do I need to do? dood's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56698 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
