Re: [videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
Make good videos and they will come. nathan miller www.bicycle-sidewalk.com --- sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think for many people, tossing videos up all over the place is just a way to get started. the value may come when you as a content creator find your voice/style/focus and start to get scattered subscribers or just awareness and attention which can gradually build up over a year or 2. in other words, value doesnt always have immediacy attached to it. so using the youtube etc despite bad terms can still be ok for many creators. others will never want to give away any content with undesirable terms. as a rule of thumb, i agree with jay... but surely there are many many videos that you can put out there that you can let go of. sull On 5/17/07, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't have to be one or the other. Just trying to see what people think the value of a YouTube viewer or subscriber is versus someone who has viewed and subscribed at your vlog. Why give Youtube so much power? as we know in the web 2.0 world, the barrier to entry is a server. jay BUT you are giving YouTube MUCH power by uploading a video to their site and thus, agreeing to (quote for YouTube TOS): However, by submitting the User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform the User Submissions in connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouTube Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. I'm 99.99% sure MSM has NOT agreed to these TOS and negotiated their own partner TOS, so why have vloggers? Again, leads me to the questions: 1) What is the value of a YouTube viewer and subscriber . 2) For those vloggers who have posted to YouTube, what value have you seen? -Frank -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
1) What is the value of a YouTube viewer and subscriber . 2) For those vloggers who have posted to YouTube, what value have you seen? here's an example. we posted a video on our site: http://ryanishungry.com/2007/04/22/wendy-tremayne-and-mikey-sklar-green-pioneers/ Mikey (who's featured in the video) uploaded it to Youtube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xO6YZa2ZB44 About 5,000 people watched the video on our site. About 50,000 people watched it through Youtube. (we must have been put on the front page) Is there a difference? I guess not really. We certainly got more relevant comments on our own site. Like Quirk says, its important to reach out beyond the communities we already know. I think its important to have your own site so you control your archives and context in which to watch your videos. But go ahead and put them other places and see how it works out. For Youtube, I find that the most regularly popular ones are more just people talking into webcams. people have discussions, arguments, joking etc. its extremely social. So again its not an either or for me... what i appreciate is when Mikey and Wendy (in the video) send it to all their friends because we helped tell their story. Word starts spreading and information is exchanged. Wendy is now here at Maker's Faire(http://makerfaire.com/) and said she had 5 people come up to her to find out about her project in NM. That's the connection I seek. with any creator...i think its important to make stuff with the audience you want to reach in mind. Just throwing it on youtube and expecting something to have effect just seems harmless at best. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June
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Just to finish my waffle, I hadnt noticed that podtech have sectioned things more clearly than when I last looked, so yours and other's envirogreensustain vids are in a 'clean tech' section. But I dont get a sense of there being a community of viewers at podtech, due to lack of comments or other features that would enable such things (or I just cant find them). i cant speak for how Podtech markets their site. seems to me like they are learning. and yes, clean tech can mean lots of things. as with anything, all i can do is show what i know to be true. with Ryanishungry.com, we were able to license our videos to Podtech for one year. we retain ownership and can post the videos to our own site throughout the year. they've been good about the whole situation. its not a huge amount of money...but its guaranteed money for us...and they get regular content that's much cheaper than if they hired their own team. for some completely different... i wish American TV could look like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPWDglTboI Jay
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oh Jay, the Mighty Boosh is my favourite! it's on constant DVD in my house... :) On 5/18/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to finish my waffle, I hadnt noticed that podtech have sectioned things more clearly than when I last looked, so yours and other's envirogreensustain vids are in a 'clean tech' section. But I dont get a sense of there being a community of viewers at podtech, due to lack of comments or other features that would enable such things (or I just cant find them). i cant speak for how Podtech markets their site. seems to me like they are learning. and yes, clean tech can mean lots of things. as with anything, all i can do is show what i know to be true. with Ryanishungry.com, we were able to license our videos to Podtech for one year. we retain ownership and can post the videos to our own site throughout the year. they've been good about the whole situation. its not a huge amount of money...but its guaranteed money for us...and they get regular content that's much cheaper than if they hired their own team. for some completely different... i wish American TV could look like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPWDglTboI Jay -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] trine.blogs.com twitter.com/trine
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OH MY GOD! That was hilarious...I watched the Old Gregg Finalehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht8eWOLd_q8NR=1too Made my friday evening. No need for happy hour now. Thanks! v.njoroge.ndonye On 5/18/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to finish my waffle, I hadnt noticed that podtech have sectioned things more clearly than when I last looked, so yours and other's envirogreensustain vids are in a 'clean tech' section. But I dont get a sense of there being a community of viewers at podtech, due to lack of comments or other features that would enable such things (or I just cant find them). i cant speak for how Podtech markets their site. seems to me like they are learning. and yes, clean tech can mean lots of things. as with anything, all i can do is show what i know to be true. with Ryanishungry.com, we were able to license our videos to Podtech for one year. we retain ownership and can post the videos to our own site throughout the year. they've been good about the whole situation. its not a huge amount of money...but its guaranteed money for us...and they get regular content that's much cheaper than if they hired their own team. for some completely different... i wish American TV could look like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPWDglTboI Jay -- regards, vincent.njoroge.ndonye [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
Hey Frank, I'm not sure about your question but I would like to put my videos anywhere i can get a 50/50 or better Rev Share and still own my content and control my brand. I get tens of thousands of views at YouTube but I get millions of views and thousands of dollars using Revver. I wish I could do the same with YouTube and other sites. Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld. -Original Message- From: Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 00:08:35 To:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program Great discussion - can't stop wondering: What is the value of a link back to your independent vlog (where you control the branding, experience, player, 100% of the advertising and cross-promotions, merchandising, etc.) versus a revenue share on a video destination site that doesn't offer you any of that control? To put it another way, what dollar value would you put on 1,000 regular users on your site versus 1,000,000 views on YouTube? Thanks, -Frank Frank Sinton CEO, Mefeedia [EMAIL PROTECTED]: mailto:frank%40mefeedia.com com 310-927-7841 (cell) http://www.mefeedia: http://www.mefeedia.com .com - Discover, Collect, and Enjoy great videos and podcasts Our blog: http://mefeedia.: http://mefeedia.com/blog com/blog --- In videoblogging@: mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Adriana Kaegi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what other video sites offer better ad shares then youtube? just wondering, addy http://dearaddy.: http://dearaddy.com com --- Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a letter about youtube's new partner program, written by an anonymous youtube star who is certainly, definitely, Absolutely NOT Kent. http://battellemedi: http://battellemedia.com/archives/003630.php a.com/archives/003630.php (via http://boingboing.: http://boingboing.net net) this is extremely interesting. obviously John Battelle has a bias on youtube advertsing since he runs Federated Media. *I'm a YouTube star, but YouTube wishes I wasn't. They would like to pretend I don't exist, rather than admit there are several roads to financial and critical success that don't lead through their corporate headquarters. * Its tough to take these kinds of criticisms when you dont know who its from. I always question anonymous comments and articles. Some shows will stick with YouTube, but the savviest and the most commercial ones will move to other video sites that can provide better splits or signing bonuses. Creators will start to realize that their storytelling talents are rare and valuable. so true. I don't know the terms this round of authors were guaranteed by YouTube, but I do know that we were offered was okay money, but something that we've already surpassed. And then when you factor in merch sales, and the value of having our own users and pageviews on top of that and controlling our own brand, we're coming out miles ahead of a typical YouTube power user. I know Youtube can push mass traffic towards any video it chooses...but asking creators to dump their personal site is dangerous. I'd like to hear more about how Youtube feels about letting creators own their own content. Lots of questions. its up to us creators to educate each other and not settle for giving it all away. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.: http://jaydedman.com com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfe: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ st.com/ Webvideo festival this June __ ___Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.: http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 com/collections/222 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
I'd rather have 1,000 regular users as 1 million views on You Yube can be fleeting. What does Josh Leo have to say? He did several million a month or so ago on one on You Tube. Not to say he doesn't have 1,000 loyal viewers but I'll take the thousand. JCH http://www.jchtv.com/ Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great discussion - can't stop wondering: What is the value of a link back to your independent vlog (where you control the branding, experience, player, 100% of the advertising and cross-promotions, merchandising, etc.) versus a revenue share on a video destination site that doesn't offer you any of that control? To put it another way, what dollar value would you put on 1,000 regular users on your site versus 1,000,000 views on YouTube? Thanks, -Frank Frank Sinton CEO, Mefeedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] 310-927-7841 (cell) http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover, Collect, and Enjoy great videos and podcasts Our blog: http://mefeedia.com/blog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adriana Kaegi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what other video sites offer better ad shares then youtube? just wondering, addy http://dearaddy.com --- Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a letter about youtube's new partner program, written by an anonymous youtube star who is certainly, definitely, Absolutely NOT Kent. http://battellemedia.com/archives/003630.php (via http://boingboing.net) this is extremely interesting. obviously John Battelle has a bias on youtube advertsing since he runs Federated Media. *I'm a YouTube star, but YouTube wishes I wasn't. They would like to pretend I don't exist, rather than admit there are several roads to financial and critical success that don't lead through their corporate headquarters. * Its tough to take these kinds of criticisms when you dont know who its from. I always question anonymous comments and articles. Some shows will stick with YouTube, but the savviest and the most commercial ones will move to other video sites that can provide better splits or signing bonuses. Creators will start to realize that their storytelling talents are rare and valuable. so true. I don't know the terms this round of authors were guaranteed by YouTube, but I do know that we were offered was okay money, but something that we've already surpassed. And then when you factor in merch sales, and the value of having our own users and pageviews on top of that and controlling our own brand, we're coming out miles ahead of a typical YouTube power user. I know Youtube can push mass traffic towards any video it chooses...but asking creators to dump their personal site is dangerous. I'd like to hear more about how Youtube feels about letting creators own their own content. Lots of questions. its up to us creators to educate each other and not settle for giving it all away. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June __ ___Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Cocktails and other good Craic!http://www.jchtv.com/ - Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
What is the value of a link back to your independent vlog (where you control the branding, experience, player, 100% of the advertising and cross-promotions, merchandising, etc.) versus a revenue share on a video destination site that doesn't offer you any of that control? To put it another way, what dollar value would you put on 1,000 regular users on your site versus 1,000,000 views on YouTube? why does it have to be one or the other? Unless Youtube is paying to license your content, and you agree to only host video on their site, then maybe this might make sense. (but dont give up ownership to your work!!!) Put the video on Youtube, but put it on you own site as well. Put it other places too. Why give Youtube so much power? as we know in the web 2.0 world, the barrier to entry is a server. jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
i think for many people, tossing videos up all over the place is just a way to get started. the value may come when you as a content creator find your voice/style/focus and start to get scattered subscribers or just awareness and attention which can gradually build up over a year or 2. in other words, value doesnt always have immediacy attached to it. so using the youtube etc despite bad terms can still be ok for many creators. others will never want to give away any content with undesirable terms. as a rule of thumb, i agree with jay... but surely there are many many videos that you can put out there that you can let go of. sull On 5/17/07, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't have to be one or the other. Just trying to see what people think the value of a YouTube viewer or subscriber is versus someone who has viewed and subscribed at your vlog. Why give Youtube so much power? as we know in the web 2.0 world, the barrier to entry is a server. jay BUT you are giving YouTube MUCH power by uploading a video to their site and thus, agreeing to (quote for YouTube TOS): However, by submitting the User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform the User Submissions in connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouTube Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. I'm 99.99% sure MSM has NOT agreed to these TOS and negotiated their own partner TOS, so why have vloggers? Again, leads me to the questions: 1) What is the value of a YouTube viewer and subscriber . 2) For those vloggers who have posted to YouTube, what value have you seen? -Frank -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
On 5/17/07, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) What is the value of a YouTube viewer and subscriber . 2) For those vloggers who have posted to YouTube, what value have you seen? 1) Equal to the value of a subscriber by any other means, so long as all you care about is people who appreciate your work. 2) Finding an audience outside of this community, which can be (slightly) myopic at times. It's great to have a core group of subscribers who give feedback, criticism, and praise on your own site. But most people just want to see good videos and don't care about talking to the creator. I found that hard to believe at first, but it has proven true time after time. If you're lost you can look--and you will find me time after time -- Cyndi Lauper Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
