RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Game consoles?
The problem with blocking commonly used services is that the game systems now have apps and baked in features that need to access those services. *Tim Cappalli* | ACCP / ACMP / CCNA Network Engineer | Brandeis University cappa...@brandeis.edu | (617) 701-7149 *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Brian Helman *Sent:* Tuesday, December 24, 2013 2:15 PM *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Game consoles? We do not supply PSK connectivity, but there is an open guest network if they want to attempt to use it. That guest network is severely rate-limited. Like most of the respondents so far, we push them to wired connections. There was a discussion about this a couple years ago. the gist of the discussion was to create a gaming network where you blocked things like social-media, email and access to your student systems. The theory was to block these to discourage every-day use by other mobile devices. There's probably a nice NAC solution to this. -Brian -- *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Danny Eaton [ dannyea...@rice.edu] *Sent:* Monday, December 23, 2013 4:43 PM *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Game consoles? There seems to be a growing demand, and with the holiday season upon us, I’m expecting more than a few requests when we all come back. Is anyone allowing residential students to register game consoles on a wireless SSID? If so, how? WPA2-PSK? MAC address registration? Respectfully, Danny Eaton Snr. Network Architect Networking, Telecommunications, Operations Rice University, IT Mudd Bldg, RM #205 Jones College Associate Office - 713-348-5233 Cellular - 832-247-7496 dannyea...@rice.edu Soli Deo Gloria Matt 18:4-6 G.K. Chesterton, “Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It’s been found hard and left untried.” ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Game consoles?
We haven't tried this solution yet, so I haven't experienced the downside. Based on what you are saying, I think the solution could be a mix of identification, isolation and rate shaping (of the commonly used services). -Brian From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Tim Cappalli [cappa...@brandeis.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 1:27 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Game consoles? The problem with blocking commonly used services is that the game systems now have apps and baked in features that need to access those services. Tim Cappalli | ACCP / ACMP / CCNA Network Engineer | Brandeis University cappa...@brandeis.edumailto:cappa...@brandeis.edu | (617) 701-7149 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Brian Helman Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 2:15 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Game consoles? We do not supply PSK connectivity, but there is an open guest network if they want to attempt to use it. That guest network is severely rate-limited. Like most of the respondents so far, we push them to wired connections. There was a discussion about this a couple years ago. the gist of the discussion was to create a gaming network where you blocked things like social-media, email and access to your student systems. The theory was to block these to discourage every-day use by other mobile devices. There's probably a nice NAC solution to this. -Brian From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Danny Eaton [dannyea...@rice.edumailto:dannyea...@rice.edu] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 4:43 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Game consoles? There seems to be a growing demand, and with the holiday season upon us, I’m expecting more than a few requests when we all come back. Is anyone allowing residential students to register game consoles on a wireless SSID? If so, how? WPA2-PSK? MAC address registration? Respectfully, Danny Eaton Snr. Network Architect Networking, Telecommunications, Operations Rice University, IT Mudd Bldg, RM #205 Jones College Associate Office - 713-348-5233 Cellular - 832-247-7496 dannyea...@rice.edumailto:dannyea...@rice.edu Soli Deo Gloria Matt 18:4-6 G.K. Chesterton, “Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It’s been found hard and left untried.” ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Game consoles?
We have them register it on our home made device registration page. We currently have a separate SSID for game consoles and devices that don't have a web browser. The SSID is open but we use mac-authentication for it so when they register, the mac address goes into our system. On 12/23/2013 4:43 PM, Danny Eaton wrote: There seems to be a growing demand, and with the holiday season upon us, I'm expecting more than a few requests when we all come back. Is anyone allowing residential students to register game consoles on a wireless SSID? If so, how? WPA2-PSK? MAC address registration? Respectfully, Danny Eaton Snr. Network Architect Networking, Telecommunications, Operations Rice University, IT Mudd Bldg, RM #205 Jones College Associate Office - 713-348-5233 Cellular - 832-247-7496 dannyea...@rice.edu mailto:dannyea...@rice.edu Soli Deo Gloria Matt 18:4-6 G.K. Chesterton, Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It's been found hard and left untried. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. -- Vlade Ristevski Network Manager IT Services Ramapo College (201)-684-6854 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Game consoles?
We do not supply PSK connectivity, but there is an open guest network if they want to attempt to use it. That guest network is severely rate-limited. Like most of the respondents so far, we push them to wired connections. There was a discussion about this a couple years ago. the gist of the discussion was to create a gaming network where you blocked things like social-media, email and access to your student systems. The theory was to block these to discourage every-day use by other mobile devices. There's probably a nice NAC solution to this. -Brian From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Danny Eaton [dannyea...@rice.edu] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 4:43 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Game consoles? There seems to be a growing demand, and with the holiday season upon us, I’m expecting more than a few requests when we all come back. Is anyone allowing residential students to register game consoles on a wireless SSID? If so, how? WPA2-PSK? MAC address registration? Respectfully, Danny Eaton Snr. Network Architect Networking, Telecommunications, Operations Rice University, IT Mudd Bldg, RM #205 Jones College Associate Office - 713-348-5233 Cellular - 832-247-7496 dannyea...@rice.edumailto:dannyea...@rice.edu Soli Deo Gloria Matt 18:4-6 G.K. Chesterton, “Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It’s been found hard and left untried.” ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Game consoles?
On 12/23/2013 4:43 PM, Danny Eaton wrote: There seems to be a growing demand, and with the holiday season upon us, I'm expecting more than a few requests when we all come back. Is anyone allowing residential students to register game consoles on a wireless SSID? If so, how? WPA2-PSK? MAC address registration? We tolerate it, but we strongly encourage wired connections for game consoles, TVs, BluRays, etc. We have game console registration support based on MAC address OID verification. The others we are at this point manually registering (they enter a helpdesk ticket). If you have a spectrum analyzer sort of device that will give you a timeslice breakdown of a given radio channel, you'll quickly be alarmed by the utilization of these silly devices :( Jeff ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Game consoles?
We recommend that students use a wired connection as well. For PS3 units they use a built in browser which hits our captive portal with our student network agreement and they have to sign in with their credentials, which registers the console. We manage this using Netreg (an automated DHCP registration system) available at http://netreg.sourceforge.net/. For other devices like Xbox that don't have the built in browser, we have Residential Technology Assistants place a ticket with the MAC address and I manually add them into the Netreg system. We have a miscellaneous wireless network, which changes passwords every semester that they can join their gaming consoles to. Best, Joe From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeff Kell Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 2:32 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Game consoles? On 12/23/2013 4:43 PM, Danny Eaton wrote: There seems to be a growing demand, and with the holiday season upon us, I'm expecting more than a few requests when we all come back. Is anyone allowing residential students to register game consoles on a wireless SSID? If so, how? WPA2-PSK? MAC address registration? We tolerate it, but we strongly encourage wired connections for game consoles, TVs, BluRays, etc. We have game console registration support based on MAC address OID verification. The others we are at this point manually registering (they enter a helpdesk ticket). If you have a spectrum analyzer sort of device that will give you a timeslice breakdown of a given radio channel, you'll quickly be alarmed by the utilization of these silly devices :( Jeff ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Game consoles?
Register then connect to our open SSID Tim Cappalli | ACCP / ACMP / CCNA Network Engineer | Brandeis University cappa...@brandeis.edu | (617) 701-7149 On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Danny Eaton dannyea...@rice.edu wrote: There seems to be a growing demand, and with the holiday season upon us, I’m expecting more than a few requests when we all come back. Is anyone allowing residential students to register game consoles on a wireless SSID? If so, how? WPA2-PSK? MAC address registration? Respectfully, Danny Eaton Snr. Network Architect Networking, Telecommunications, Operations Rice University, IT Mudd Bldg, RM #205 Jones College Associate Office - 713-348-5233 Cellular - 832-247-7496 dannyea...@rice.edu Soli Deo Gloria Matt 18:4-6 G.K. Chesterton, “Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It’s been found hard and left untried.” ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
