Re: [Semibug] tragedy of systemd: was: OT: is there any office package (especially spreadsheet) that lets me choose a PEN color

Ron / BCLUG wrote on 2024-05-27 18:10: you'll love both the runit and s6 init systems. That's great, I didn't know they ran startup stuff in parallel. Is it achieved through "script_name &" or something else? Answering myself, runit looks kinda nifty according t

Re: [Semibug] tragedy of systemd: was: OT: is there any office package (especially spreadsheet) that lets me choose a PEN color

Steve Litt wrote on 2024-05-27 05:24: If you like parallelism, It is a compelling idea... you'll love both the runit and s6 init systems. That's great, I didn't know they ran startup stuff in parallel. Is it achieved through "script_name &" or something else? Try em, you'll like em.

Re: [Semibug] tragedy of systemd: was: OT: is there any office package (especially spreadsheet) that lets me choose a PEN color

Jonathan Drews wrote on 2024-05-27 14:43: There's a lot of cross-over with servers and software between the FLOSS families. >> How would you know if you don't run FreeBSD or OpenBSD? Because I'm not stupid? I mean, that's a really dumb question; are you disputing the overlap between Linux

Re: [Semibug] tragedy of systemd: was: OT: is there any office package (especially spreadsheet) that lets me choose a PEN color

Jonathan Drews wrote on 2024-05-27 12:09:  This is a list devoted to helping people with *BSD systems. If you have no intention of using it, why are you even here? There's a lot of cross-over with servers and software between the FLOSS families. I try to contribute answers to questions

Re: [Semibug] tragedy of systemd: was: OT: is there any office package (especially spreadsheet) that lets me choose a PEN color

Jonathan Drews wrote on 2024-05-27 10:59: The boot time was so slow that it was obvious. If different processes were involved in the boot sequence, that just may have an effect on time-to-desktop, but since it's left unaddressed, I guess we'll never know. Is something like that even

Re: [Semibug] tragedy of systemd: was: OT: is there any office package (especially spreadsheet) that lets me choose a PEN color

Jonathan Drews wrote on 2024-05-23 19:54: I don't know what the cause was but I could never get scanning (xsane) to work on either Linux Mint or Kubuntu. Scanning has been a solved problem in Linux for a decade or two, so it's hard to know what went wrong, nor what purpose is served bringing

Re: [Semibug] tragedy of systemd: was: OT: is there any office package (especially spreadsheet) that lets me choose a PEN color

Steve Litt wrote on 2024-05-25 01:25: That being said I don't think it calls for a full boycott of Linux, > Thanks Kyle. Like you, I don't think systemd calls for a boycott on Linux, and I hadn't intended to imply it. Cheers Steve, Kyle, et al. I just wanted to say, despite the spirited

Re: [Semibug] tragedy of systemd: was: OT: is there any office package (especially spreadsheet) that lets me choose a PEN color

Kyle Willett wrote on 2024-05-23 21:31: One piece of software can't be that good at so many different tasks! I'm not sure that logic holds up: "Fedora can't be that good at so many different tasks" "Linux kernel can't be that good at so many different tasks" GNU utilities - contains

Re: [Semibug] tragedy of systemd: was: OT: is there any office package (especially spreadsheet) that lets me choose a PEN color

Steve Litt wrote on 2024-05-23 18:06: I'll address his central point, which is that systemd has many benefits. My rebuttal is that nobody needs that kind of complexity. Computers are complex, imagine that. Most systemd features can and have been done better and simpler other ways.

Re: [Semibug] OT: is there any office package (especially spreadsheet) that lets me choose a PEN color

Steve Litt wrote on 2024-05-23 02:53: LibreOffice' reason for existence is to interact with MS Office documents. If it can't do that, why use it? The blame for poor interaction lies with Microsoft, 100%. Also, another major reason for LibreOffice is to have a full featured office suite that

Re: [Semibug] LO backups & OO [was OT: is there any office package (especially spreadsheet) that lets me choose a PEN color]

CAREY SCHUG wrote on 2024-05-23 08:07: LO vs OO (topic 1) I was pissed when I was told I "had" to convert from OO to LO. LO was buggy (see below) later found a friend stayed with OO and was happy. any opinions on which of LO and OO (or others) do the best job on reading in XL or other

Re: [Semibug] internal number storage in libre office calc [was: LibreOffice is summing incorrectly]

CAREY SCHUG wrote on 2024-05-22 22:55: OK, my spreadsheet is only 1.3 MB 1.3MB is miniscule in relation to any disk in the past 10 (20?) years. What's your time worth? single precision calculation is faster too. How many microseconds could you save and how much time are you willing to

Re: [Semibug] OT: is there any office package (especially spreadsheet) that lets me choose a PEN color

Steve Litt wrote on 2024-05-22 23:26: This command can be run in 3 seconds Ctrl+S == saved, 0.3 seconds. Haven't personally experienced much instability with LO. Certainly would *not* advise against using it. > LibreOffice is notorious for randomly, summarily and permanently > changing

Re: [Semibug] re tracking changes in libre office spreadsheet [was: OT: is there any office package (especially spreadsheet) that lets me choose a PEN color]

CAREY SCHUG wrote on 2024-05-22 23:46: Perhaps version tracking would help with this? All changes can be tracked and reviewed. ok, found this page: https://itsfoss.com/libreoffice-version-control/ it says click on edit/track changes/record. --done click on view/toolbars/track changes

Re: [Semibug] LibreOffice is summing incorrectly

CAREY SCHUG wrote on 2024-05-22 14:27: I typed 4.73 into a cell, it was actually stored that way LibreOffice Calc (which uses 64-bit double-precision numbers internally) https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/scalc/01/calculation_accuracy.html never have more than 5 (actually

Re: [Semibug] OT: is there any office package (especially spreadsheet) that lets me choose a PEN color

CAREY SCHUG wrote on 2024-05-22 15:34: I would like to choose a PEN color, e.g. red, no matter what I enter or change, no matter where, it will be in the pen color. As Carl mentioned, LibreOffice supports colourizing text. so I can make a group of changes, then go back and verify them,

Re: [Semibug] Need an example of libxo usage

(Apologies if this is a duplicate - been mucking about with email server settings.) Mike Wayne wrote on 2024-04-12 12:57: What I can not figure out is how to select fields to print. To customize the output fields for the lastlogin command using libxo with XML formatting in FreeBSD,

Re: [Semibug] Need an example of libxo usage

Mike Wayne wrote on 2024-04-12 12:57: What I can not figure out is how to select fields to print. To customize the output fields for the lastlogin command using libxo with XML formatting in FreeBSD, you'll need to use the -f option to specify the fields you want to include. Here's how you

Re: [GTALUG] When a web page goes to next level

Karen Lewellen via talk wrote on 2024-04-05 06:31: I, in my lower graphics browser, Lynx in this case, get text of the article, and wonderful alt-tag descriptions of the images..no zoom messiness. That's great! On Thu, 4 Apr 2024, Gron Arthur via talk wrote: I find that it is too

Re: [GTALUG] When a web page goes to next level

Gron Arthur via talk wrote on 2024-04-04 11:31: Am I a curmudgeon? Probably - you're here with us, in good company... I find that it is too distracting, and takes away from the content.  It becomes hard to focus on the facts of the story. I can see your point, but I'm not sure I agree in

Re: [GTALUG] When a web page goes to next level

William Witteman wrote on 2024-04-03 12:07: I am going to poke around the source and see if I can make any sense of it There's some pretty fancy things going on, it will not be easy to figure out (for me, anyway). It's quite interesting how, when looking at the Inspect web dev tool, one

[GTALUG] When a web page goes to next level

CBC has a story up today (about "Buried rivers flow under Canadian cities..."). > Discover where ancient rivers flow under Canadian cities | CBC News > > Ancient rivers once nourished and protected the lands where we built > our biggest cities. Now, they’re buried underground. Is it finally >

Re: [linux] some other social media sites like identi.ca / pump.io

Michael Goguen via linux wrote on 2024-04-02 21:21: Has anyone here ever heard of some alternative social media services like identi dot ca and pump dot io ? Aren't Mastodon (Twitter alt) and / or Lemmy (Reddit alt) federated social media services that have been fairly popular** lately? I

Re: [GTALUG] [DISCUSS] Backdoor found in widely used Linux utility

L. V. Lammert wrote on 2024-03-29 13:08: Seems to make the case to only use standard tools like gzip? Nah, reading further on it (comments on ArsTechnica.com are great - lots of links to follow), this compromises ssh, you don't need xz. There's some talk that issues with Postgres and

Re: [GTALUG] [DISCUSS] Backdoor found in widely used Linux utility

L. V. Lammert wrote on 2024-03-29 13:08: Seems to make the case to only use standard tools like gzip? I'm not sure. I stick with gzip & bzip myself, but this was an extremely clever approach and I'm not sure if xz got targeted because it's a smaller developer group or if xz is more

[GTALUG] Backdoor found in widely used Linux utility

Backdoor found in widely used Linux utility breaks encrypted SSH connections Malicious code planted in xz Utils has been circulating for more than a month. https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/03/backdoor-found-in-widely-used-linux-utility-breaks-encrypted-ssh-connections/ --- Post to

Re: [Semibug] Keeping Track of Inventory with OpenBSD?

Jonathan Drews wrote on 2024-03-23 20:00: I need advice on how to keep track of inventory. A *lot* of thought must go into the structure of the data you'll need to store. Let's start with basics, the SKU (Stock Keeping Unit): * id * description (i.e. green silk) * location (in a 400,000+

Re: [GTALUG] Securely wiping SSDs

Giles Orr via talk wrote on 2024-03-23 07:50: I have, for many years, used "Darik's Boot and Nuke" on a USB stick to securely wipe spinning hard disks. It takes a long time, but I mostly understand and trust the process. I'm going to take a contrarian stance and suggest that the best way is

Re: [GTALUG] DOS > bash

D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote on 2024-03-22 06:56: What you want is rename .sh '' *.sh which means for each filename matched by *.sh change every occurrence of ".sh" in its name to '' (empty) Ah, that's a clever idea - the glob at the end so that rename can grab

Re: [GTALUG] DOS > bash

William Park via talk wrote on 2024-03-21 18:27: for I in *.sh ; do mv ${I} ${I%%.sh} done That will change 'x.sh' to 'x' without trailing dot. Exactly what's desired. Ubuntu/Debian distros will include 'rename' where you can use regex. How does `rename` (a Perl program, I believe?)

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Live Linux -- Change Overlay Filesystem -- From Tempfs Ramdisk To Hard Drive ?? [was] Re: Debian Live Linux -- Overlay Filesystem -- Where Allocated ??

Steve Petrie via talk wrote on 2024-03-21 08:19: some Debian packages I install, *disappear every time I boot my linux PC, which is often daily*. So, I sometimes find myself occasionally re-installing a disappeared Debian package. It might be worth looking into Ventoy for creating a bootable

[GTALUG] DOS > bash

Okay, clickbait subject line, but hear me out. I had a bunch of files called *.sh for backing up stuff. I decided to use `run-parts` to run the entire folder of shell scripts at once. `run-parts` won't run *.sh files (?!?), they need to be *.s-h or something dumb. I wanted to REName

Re: [GTALUG] .local question

D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote on 2024-02-26 22:43: I'm creating an experimental NextCloud server. How'd that go? Related, did you try switching "mdns4_minimal" in nsswitch.conf to solve the .local problem? rb --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this

Re: [GTALUG] .local question

D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote on 2024-02-27 15:39: /etc/nsswitch.conf has a line: hosts: files myhostname mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] resolve [!UNAVAIL=return] dns So I'm guessing that the nc.local is being resolved by "myhostname", not mdns4_minimal. I don't understand why

Re: [GTALUG] .local question (Off Topic: how did you acquire a /24?)

James Knott via talk wrote on 2024-02-27 14:50: That may be because more & more traffic is moving to IPv6. I suspect this is the case, although I'm still a bit surprised pricing would go down at all. Also - how does one use them behind a residential ISP? Probably the way I use my /56

Re: [GTALUG] .local question (Off Topic: how did you acquire a /24?)

D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote on 2024-02-26 22:43: (I have /24 globally routable IP addresses.) I'm curious about the story behind how you acquired what's become such a rare item? Also - how does one use them behind a residential ISP? Do you have your own AS number? This all

Re: [GTALUG] .local question

D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote on 2024-02-26 22:43: I'm starting to use .local. So machines declare their hostname and mDNS / bonjour gets to resolve name.local. Neat. I ought to look into using .local myself, instead of when I had DDNS running. Sounds interesting. Tonight I'm

Re: [GTALUG] Air Canada claims its chatbot is liable, not AC!

Ron / BCLUG via talk wrote on 2024-02-16 10:35: I particularly like this part: Coincidentally, it was just yesterday that I caught one of Canada's most talented comedians do a 4 minute skit on dealing with the frustration of *human* customer service at "Air Canaday"

Re: [GTALUG] Air Canada claims its chatbot is liable, not AC!

Don Tai wrote on 2024-02-16 12:02: With AI hallucinations being quite common Yes, but let's not keep stating that as though AIs are the only source of bad or wrong information on the internet. And limiting it to the internet is reductive itself - humans produce mountains of wrong

Re: [GTALUG] Air Canada claims its chatbot is liable, not AC!

D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote on 2024-02-16 08:25: There's surely more to this story. Standard operating procedures - "it wasn't us, guv, it was a contractor". I particularly like this part: > Air

Re: [GTALUG] meeting idea: AI Explorers' Reports

D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote on 2024-02-13 18:49: AI is an exploding field. Lots of stuff is new to us. Many of us are trying things. I think that it would be interesting if those of us that have experimented would chat in a meeting about their experiences. I've probably mentioned

Re: [GTALUG] Odd Ethernet Behaviour

Alvin Starr via talk wrote on 2024-02-12 20:38: Honestly, I won’t do that.  About three weeks ago I had gotten approval for a new static ip address, at which point I asked for them to allow me to ssh to that address.  I was *refused* and told I had to use a VPN because they “have to protect

Re: [GTALUG] Odd Ethernet Behaviour

Peter King via talk wrote on 2024-02-12 13:56: Ethtool says the new card is running at 1000Mb/s. That's the link speed, not necessarily reflective of the bandwidth provided by upstream. A different computer behind the same switch (which claims to have gigabit ethernet: TP-Link AC1750)

Re: [linux] The Future of Linux User Groups with Stefano Maffulli of OSI

> 11:00am? Yes, a concession to EST meets CET (I think Central European Time - Stefano is in Italy). Hence the review & discussion followup on Tuesday's meeting at 7pm EST for those unable to make it to this event. To unsubscribe send a blank message to

[linux] The Future of Linux User Groups with Stefano Maffulli of OSI

There's an event Friday which will touch on Linux User Groups and options available to them in 2024 and beyond. I thought this might be of interest to members of this LUG. The meeting will be Friday morning, with follow-up discussion at the usual GTALUG meeting on Tuesday. (See

Re: [GTALUG] An anomaly with the `date` command

Colin McGregor via talk wrote on 2024-01-30 14:14: For calendar oddities try typing the following into a BASH terminal : cal 9 1752 The seemingly odd result will be correct for what is now Halifax, Nova Scotia, but incorrect for what is now Quebec City, Quebec. Anyone know why?

Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration

Dianne Skoll wrote on 2024-01-25 14:00: I would call this a MAJOR obstacle. I am missing something. What was the original email that started this thread off? What is the "this" that is a major obstacle? That email seems not to have reached me. Same here - seems like the conversation

Re: Re: [linux] Strange Email Issues with this list - gmail spamming myself

Dianne Skoll wrote on 2024-01-25 12:59: I'd be willing to have a look on the server and see how easy it would be to change to the latest 2.x release of GNU Mailman. Since mailman2 requires python2, which has been deprecated since 2020, might be worth going to mailman3. I've got some

Re: [GTALUG] "AI" on getting correct technical answers

Steve Petrie via talk wrote on 2024-01-16 05:41: A. SSO (single sign on) -- Is it an SSO offer, when my Firefox browser "helpfully" asks me if I would like it [my browser] to "remember" my login credentials ?? No, SSO where one signs in to a site they've never visited via their Google

[GTALUG] "AI" on getting correct technical answers

Alvin Starr via talk wrote on 2024-01-12 20:11: It is defiantly not useful for getting correct technical answers to problems. That's not my experience. I guess that depends on the definition of "correct technical answers", because it (i.e. ChatGPT) can be excellent at giving correct answers

Re: [GTALUG] lazy jail server admin forced to act

ac via talk wrote on 2024-01-08 02:22: the ~ means if it is not from your servers it is also okay. the - means ONLY from your severs. The link I posted earlier (linuxbabe.com) had an interesting take on "~" vs "-" and why the former is preferable: If a multi-host (postfix) site receives

Re: [GTALUG] lazy jail server admin forced to act

D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote on 2024-01-07 19:29: You probably need to add a google authentication record to your domain name to | reduce the chance of your email messages being rejected by gmail. I don't know what that is. Googling responses suggest you might be talking about a Google

Re: [GTALUG] lazy jail server admin forced to act

D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote on 2024-01-07 09:27: Mails from my domain have started to be rejected by gmail. To placate gmail, I've added an SPF record to my doman: Another trick to help with email delivery to Google is to implement IPv6 in Postfix if it's available. rb --- Post to

Re: [GTALUG] lazy jail server admin forced to act

D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote on 2024-01-07 10:10: | You may find that you need DKIM and DMARC as well. If you’re using | postfix it’s fairly easy to hook opendkim in. | My biggest hurdle was trying to find clear concise guides. Links?

Re: [GTALUG] meeting Tuesday?

D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote on 2024-01-05 22:58: The venue might be changed from our Big Blue Button room. Our host, LPI, was set to switch from BBB to some NextCloud facility. If we don't get further directions, try https://blue.lpi.org/b/eva-zjc-gjy-kgl If the BBB site isn't

Re: [GTALUG] Debian 12 takes too long to boot and login

Giles Orr wrote on 2023-12-17 15:19: One of my favourite recent discoveries are the abilities of `systemd-analyze`. `systemd-analyze blame` shows how long every step in the boot process took. It's worth looking at, but doesn't account for the fact that many of these things run in parallel.

Re: [GTALUG] Debian 12 takes too long to boot and login

Kevin Cozens via talk wrote on 2023-12-17 14:43: Any clues as to why Debian takes 4 to 5 times as long? I'm hoping there is some bad configuration out of the box causing Debian 12 to be acting so slow. Anyone have any ideas where I should start looking? If I can't get to the bottom of the

Re: [GTALUG] tiny GNAME change that I don't like

D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote on 2023-12-17 09:23: Am I the only one who cares about the loss of this feature? Probably not, and I hope you find a suitable solution, but Gnome + loss of features = why people move away from Gnome. It's become a meme. I've heard Gnome is better for

Re: [GTALUG] AI Alliance

Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote on 2023-12-06 09:49: I've been saying for some time that GTALUG badly needs a serious conversation on scope and focus. This evening's meeting feels, in retrospect, quite fruitful in this regard. We now need to be advocates for openness in the cloud and AI.

Re: [GTALUG] Browsers (and Thorium to be specific)

Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote on 2023-11-24 08:07: Thorium is basic Chrome that is compile-time optimized for new CPUs. Still does Chrome sync and plugin store. Won't run on any system that doesn't have an AVX2-capable CPU. As a result, it claims a conventional Chrome

Re: [GTALUG] Browsers (and Thorium to be specific)

Don Tai via talk wrote on 2023-11-23 15:46: I by default don't run JS, and then with the Noscript plugin, grant js access. Many sites will block you without JS running. Though I depend on FF, which usually works, I don't mind if web sites crack and don't render well. I ran with default no

Re: [GTALUG] mbox vs Maildir [was Re: Linux friendly email providers?]

D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote on 2023-11-23 22:20: I don't remember seeing that corruption in the last few decades of using mbox. I didn't notice it 'til transferring providers and looking back at old message folders. No idea how long it's been lurking around. Probably nothing of value

Re: [GTALUG] roundcube test, is Linux friendly email providers?

Karen Lewellen wrote on 2023-11-23 15:03: I engaged the keystroke on the submit button, getting a 510 server error. I had a quick look for a 510 error and didn't see anything. Will have another look later. When I raised the JavaScript friendly lever, moving next to the links as an a chain

Re: [GTALUG] Browsers (and Thorium to be specific)

Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote on 2023-11-23 11:38: It is pretty annoying that chrome has become the new IE. Lots of web developers only use chrome and don't care that their javascript or html doesn't work on other browsers anymore. I too find it annoying. Especially since the standards

Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?

Karen Lewellen wrote on 2023-11-22 22:10:  2, either allows for user name / password log in directly with a web  interface, RoundCube web interface okay? > actually, you would be doing a number of people a huge favor if I can test this. While roundcube has been suggested, there is some

Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?

Karen Lewellen wrote on 2023-11-22 22:10: Will I have say a folder for the sent mail, one for my current inbox..allowing me to clear some of that down, my contact list? Contact list - that's not really part of email as I understand it. However, I could set up contacts & calendaring on one of

Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?

Howard Gibson via talk wrote on 2023-11-22 21:06: Handy tip folks -- Start your emails with a line feed at the top of the page. This will separate your content from the blurb corporate email servers will attach warning your recipients how evil and dangerous you are. This is an interesting

Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?

Karen Lewellen wrote on 2023-11-22 22:10: 1, allow me to export all of my gmail content to them. I could provide that ability, see below. I may need to get a better picture, have never used Thunderbird. I've been thinking a lot about this. Thunderbird being a GUI, it may be difficult for

Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?

Karen Lewellen via talk wrote on 2023-11-22 18:25: let me be more specific..some of you tech wizards run your own mail servers laughs. I'm guilty of putting myself through that. Have run email on a small domain for a few years and am in the process of moving several more to an entirely new

Re: [GTALUG] (very off topic) torque spec of impact wrench

William Park via talk wrote on 2023-11-03 00:07: Question is, is there difference between static torque vs impact torque? I think the impacting has an effect, else the tools wouldn't have it (it requires clutches and other extras that must be there for a reason).  In other words, will