Re: Scheduling the 7.5 point release

2014-04-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 06:35:59PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: On Tue, 2014-03-18 at 23:03 +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: On Sat, 2014-03-15 at 09:01 +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: On Sat, 2014-03-01 at 21:44 +0100, Niels Thykier wrote: We are slowly starting to prepare for the 7.5 point

Re: Review/translations for announcement - Debian LTS support

2014-04-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 05:13:41PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: Hi all, I've committed a draft announcement to svn.d.o/publicity/announcements/en/2014/20140420.wml - can I have translations/reviews within the next 2 days please? Hia, I've been asked to add a sentence to this about any

Re: Review/translations for announcement - Debian LTS support

2014-04-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 05:13:41PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: Hi all, I've committed a draft announcement to svn.d.o/publicity/announcements/en/2014/20140420.wml - can I have translations/reviews within the next 2 days please? Hia, I've been asked to add a sentence to this about any

Re: Scheduling the 7.5 point release

2014-04-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 06:35:59PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: On Tue, 2014-03-18 at 23:03 +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: On Sat, 2014-03-15 at 09:01 +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: On Sat, 2014-03-01 at 21:44 +0100, Niels Thykier wrote: We are slowly starting to prepare for the 7.5 point

Re: Scheduling the 7.5 point release

2014-04-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 06:35:59PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: On Tue, 2014-03-18 at 23:03 +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: On Sat, 2014-03-15 at 09:01 +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: On Sat, 2014-03-01 at 21:44 +0100, Niels Thykier wrote: We are slowly starting to prepare for the 7.5 point

Re: Results for Debian Project Leader 2014 ElectionStart_Time = 31 Mar 2014 00:00:00

2014-04-14 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 09:27:17AM +0200, Joachim Breitner wrote: Hi, Am Montag, den 14.04.2014, 00:00 + schrieb devo...@vote.debian.org: The winners are: Option 1 Lucas Nussbaum congrats, and all the best for the next term. (Also congrats to Neil for getting a very good result

Re: systemd - some more considerations

2014-04-03 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 11:12:12AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: Is this the upstream Debian wants to base its life on? According to the technical committee, and the lack of support for the GR, the answer is yes. If you don't like this answer, please put effort into doing the work to provide

Re: time-limited, auto-reinstated delegations (and reports)

2014-03-30 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 06:15:46PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: A way around that would be to use time-limited delegations *only*. Q: What do the candidates think of that idea? If you agree it'd be good, would do you engage in doing so for the duration of your term? I think that there's

Re: How should we deal with bad maintainers?

2014-03-30 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:21:06AM +0100, Gergely Nagy wrote: Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes: assume that a package maintainer is active but is doing a bad job regarding our standards (things like ignoring problems in stable, breaking backwards compatibility for no good reason,

Re: All DPL candidates: DPL Term lengths and limits?

2014-03-30 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Brian, On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 07:54:50PM -0400, Brian Gupta wrote: I know this has been raised in elections past, but any thoughts on the current one-year DPL terms, and unlimited terms allowed? If thoughts are geared toward change do you have any plans to actively try to change the

Re: All DPL candidates: Debian assets

2014-03-30 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Steve, On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 01:03:31PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: Do you think it's appropriate for these organizers to use Debian's name in seeking local sponsorship without consulting the DPL? Sorry for not being clearer, but no. I think that a central repository and/or sponsors

Re: Team health and actions

2014-03-30 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Enrico, On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 09:26:01AM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote: 1. a team that works well and in a sustainable way, and how a DPL can bring thankfulness and appreciation; I think that most of our teams work well and are sustainable. The level of sustainability can sometimes teeter

Re: non-free?

2014-03-30 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:25:02AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 09:32:26AM +0100, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 15:29 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Because as long as we document it, it's very hard to claim that non-free is not part of Debian, when

Re: DPL candidates: managing the CTTE memberships

2014-03-30 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Josselin, On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:57:59AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: What is your stance on disruptive members in the committee? I would prefer TC to work with each other constructively, but I also recognise that this isn't always possible when it comes to a controversial decision.

Re: two questions: fund raising money and publicity

2014-03-28 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Gunnar, On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:55:35PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: So, back to the case: What's your take on this issue? How much can one part of the Debian universe of subprojects expect the money it generated be available for its future? Should we set a clear number? On the specific

Re: All DPL candidates: about the PPAMAIN

2014-03-27 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Thomas, On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 03:07:39PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Though, it is my understanding that those who are capable of doing the work are too busy. So what is your plan? Is using Debian money for sponsoring that work one of the things you would do? If yes, up to what amount

Re: what should the DFSG apply to?

2014-03-27 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Paul, Slightly re-arranging the question order, if that's ok. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 03:42:43PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: Please share your thoughts on the SC and DFSG, in particular: Which items of the DFSG should apply to which types of works? How do you currently determine which files

Re: To Neil: 2IC

2014-03-27 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Lucas, On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 08:27:52PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: In your rebuttal, you are quite critical of the idea of a board. You raise concerns about the risk of creating a cabal, and about transparency and democratic accountability. I fully agree that those concerns are valid

Re: Debian Project Leader?

2014-03-25 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 02:23:30PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: Please imagine a Debian without the DPL position. How would it be better, how would it be worse, how would things work differently, would it be desirable? Hi Paul, I think there's a couple of aspects to this, one from an external

Re: two questions: fund raising money and publicity

2014-03-25 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Ana! On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:21:20AM +0100, Ana Guerrero Lopez wrote: DebConf is one of the biggest expenses of Debian, every year we look for sponsorship and we had (and have) sponsors who were sponsoring DebConf as a way of giving their annual donation to Debian and not necessarily

Re: non-free?

2014-03-24 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Paul, On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 05:43:25PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: To the candidates, Which packages from Debian contrib/non-free do you use or have installed? On my laptop, I have: firmware-realtek, icc-profiles, intel-microcode, skype and steam from non-free, and flashplugin-nonfree,

Re: Both DPL candidates: handling social conflict

2014-03-21 Thread Neil McGovern
On 21 Mar 2014, at 14:42, Filippo Rusconi lopi...@debian.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 02:10:01PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 01:44:54PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: While I understand the question, I'm not sure this is very relevant. Yes, Debian is about

Re: Both DPL candidates: appropriate choice of dresswear for the DPL

2014-03-21 Thread Neil McGovern
On 21 Mar 2014, at 14:37, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 01:27:11PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 01:44:54PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: However, Debian is not a cult. Indeed not. We are a clan. Which inspires my next question.

Re: All DPL candidates: Debian assets

2014-03-21 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Hector, On 14 Mar 2014, at 13:25, Hector Oron zu...@debian.org wrote: Hello DPL candidates, First of all congratulations for your nominations. I have several questions for you, I hope you do not mind to reply: Thanks for your question, it’s good to see a DSA member engaging with the

Re: All DPL candidates: Time dedicated to the project + team

2014-03-14 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Sylvestre, On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:58:07AM +0100, Sylvestre Ledru wrote: * Are you allowed by your employer to work during the week on DPL tasks or is it something that you are going to do on your free time? A bit of both. Collabora allows for a certain percentage of time to be spent

Re: All DPL candidates: level of team management [and 1 more messages]

2014-03-14 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 04:11:27PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Contrary to what Lars says, I think there is a clear difference between these two approaches. ISTM that Lucas is much more hands-on and (for example) and takes much more of a close interest in the processes adopted by teams, than

Re: All DPL candidates: level of team management

2014-03-12 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Lars, Thanks for kicking off the questions this year! On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 08:49:41PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: For all DPL candidates: We have a number of delegated teams. How detailed should the delegations be? I've written my view of the constitution in quite a detailed post

Re: clarify FTP master delegation?

2014-03-11 Thread Neil McGovern
On 11 Mar 2014, at 18:20, Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.com.au wrote: There is some ongoing discussion (on debian-legal) about whether the FTP masters will accept a particular package For those who weren’t around 10 years ago, I would suggest[0] reading up on #283578, and associated mails to

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-10 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 02:20:11PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:12:33AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: * Wouter Verhelst (wou...@debian.org) [140308 02:21]: So rather than accepting this amendment, I propose that we modify paragraph 3 read as follows, instead:

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-10 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:19:07PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 09:03:19PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: ol liThe Debian project decides to accept a code of conduct for participants to its mailinglists, IRC channels, and other modes of communication within the

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-08 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Wouter, On 8 Mar 2014, at 01:21, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 06:05:45PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: Amendment A - move mailing list CoC text to further reading After some consideration, I accept this amendment. Thank you very much :) Amendment B

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2014: Call for nominations

2014-03-08 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 06:47:24PM +0100, Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx wrote: Please make sure that nominations are sent to (or cc:'d to) debian-vote, and are cryptographically signed. Hi Kurt, I hereby nominate myself as a candidate for the 2014 DPL election. Dear DSA, until the

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 11:23:48AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 06:05:45PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: Amendment B - Updates to the CoC should be via developers as a whole Justification - I believe that this document should have the strength of being a whole

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 06:33:44PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:59:42AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Hi all, This is to propose a general resolution under §4.1.5 of the constitution to propose a Debian code of conduct. So I've put up a vote page with my

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 06:37:41PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:59:42AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: == 1. The Debian project decides to accept a code of conduct for participants to its mailinglists, IRC channels, and other modes of communication within

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 06:19:56PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Kurt Roeckx writes (Re: GR proposal: code of conduct): Wouter, are you going to accept Neil's amendment, or should I create 2 options? Wouter, please don't accept Neil's second amendment (the one disallowing modification by the

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-05 Thread Neil McGovern
Seconded, but I'd also like a couple of amendments which I'll add in another mail. Neil On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:59:42AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: 1. The Debian project decides to accept a code of conduct for participants to its mailinglists, IRC channels, and other modes of

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-05 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 05:53:48PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: Seconded, but I'd also like a couple of amendments which I'll add in another mail. And here's those amendments. Amendment A - move mailing list CoC text to further reading Justification: I think that it's better to keep the CoC

Re: Spam fighting in -ctte mailing list....

2014-03-04 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Jakub, On 4 Mar 2014, at 17:40, Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 09:13:06AM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Thanks for the suggestion. I hate to be *that guy*, but, these messages are not spam. They are damaging, time wasting and clutter our views of our mailing

Re: Scheduling the 7.5 point release

2014-03-03 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 09:44:38PM +0100, Niels Thykier wrote: * April 12th/13th * April 19th/20th (Easter) * April 26th/27th * May 3rd/4th Please reply before the 15th of March with your preferred date(s). These are all fine by me. Neil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Restrictions for TOR connections on Debian IRC channels

2014-03-03 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 03:25:28PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: Each channel that has the group @debian-ops in it's access list receives a /mode +b *!*@*.tor-irc.oftc.net. Those who are registered can ask nickserv to provide them with a unique cloak tied to their account, with /msg nickserv

Re: Scheduling the 7.5 point release

2014-03-03 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 09:44:38PM +0100, Niels Thykier wrote: * April 12th/13th * April 19th/20th (Easter) * April 26th/27th * May 3rd/4th Please reply before the 15th of March with your preferred date(s). These are all fine by me. Neil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Scheduling the 7.5 point release

2014-03-03 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 09:44:38PM +0100, Niels Thykier wrote: * April 12th/13th * April 19th/20th (Easter) * April 26th/27th * May 3rd/4th Please reply before the 15th of March with your preferred date(s). These are all fine by me. Neil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

2014-03-02 Thread Neil McGovern
On 2 Mar 2014, at 13:36, Michael Banck mba...@debian.org wrote: On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 11:17:12AM +, Neil McGovern wrote: I'm very wary about passing resolutions which require work from future persons unidentified. Presumeably it would need a person who is a) keen on the desktop system

Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

2014-03-01 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Matthew, On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:45:01PM +, Matthew Vernon wrote: Degraded operation with some init systems is tolerable, so long as the degradation is no worse than what the Debian project would consider a tolerable (non-RC) bug even if it were affecting all users. So the

Re: Debian's custom use of Condorcet and later-no-harm

2014-02-28 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 04:50:47PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: In my proposal, the casting voter gets to choose between A and B and there less incentive to manipulate the system by voting FD. I'm just wondering, what was the purpose behind treating FD as a special case in the first place? Could

Restrictions for TOR connections on Debian IRC channels

2014-02-28 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi all, Over the past few weeks, we've seen a number of issues with certain people connecting over TOR, and repeatedly sending various inappropriate comments to a number of IRC channels in the #debian* namespace, including #debian-ctte and #debian-women. Unfortunately, from a OFTC network point

Re: default init on non-Linux platforms

2014-02-19 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 11:37:08PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 06:31:12PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 07:18:30PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: [0] Can we haz a release name? Sure. It's Debian 8.0, zurg. [0] Neil [0] Note

Press updates [Was: Re: default init on non-Linux platforms]

2014-02-19 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 03:45:12PM +, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: On 19 February 2014 15:28, Ondřej Surý ond...@sury.org wrote: are you aware that media are already quoting your blogpost as official announcement of next Debian codename? Nah, wasn't aware =) I blame Neil, I thought he

Re: default init on non-Linux platforms

2014-02-18 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 07:18:30PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: [0] Can we haz a release name? Sure. It's Debian 8.0, zurg. [0] Neil [0] Note: may be a lie. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-13 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:48:04PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: For IRC it's a bit more difficult, because we do not long our IRC channels by default (or at least I'm not aware we do), with the exception of meetings run with the help of meetbot. That means that it would be rather difficult

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Wouter, Thanks for all your work on helping bring this together so far, but I think this ballot is troubling on a number of reasons. On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:59:42AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: 1. The Debian project decides to accept a code of conduct for participants to its

Re: systemd bad press? score card?

2014-02-12 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:42:14AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: I personally would defer to the Debian press team to decide whether they feel we should make a public statement at this time. I think we're still in the middle of our process, which I understand that a lot of people outside the

Updated Debian 7: 7.4 released

2014-02-09 Thread Neil McGovern
The Debian Projecthttp://www.debian.org/ Updated Debian 7: 7.4 released pr...@debian.org February 8th, 2014 http://www.debian.org/News/2014/20140208

Bug#727708: TC resolution revised draft

2014-01-31 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 09:33:33AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Given the Condorcet voting method is susceptible to tactical voting, Hi Josselin, I'm not sure what you mean here, could you care to elaborate? Neil signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Bug#727708: TC resolution revised draft

2014-01-31 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 09:33:33AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Given the Condorcet voting method is susceptible to tactical voting, Hi Josselin, I'm not sure what you mean here, could you care to elaborate? Neil signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Bug#727708: call for votes on default Linux init system for jessie

2014-01-28 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Don, On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:05:18AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: Where feasible, software should interoperate with non-default init systems; maintainers are encouraged to accept technically sound patches to enable interoperation, even if it results in degraded operation. Did

Bug#727708: call for votes on default Linux init system for jessie

2014-01-28 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Don, On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:05:18AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: Where feasible, software should interoperate with non-default init systems; maintainers are encouraged to accept technically sound patches to enable interoperation, even if it results in degraded operation. Did

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 03:56:29PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: I don't think our constitution allows a resolution of the TC to change how §4.1.4 has to be interpreted for a GR overriding it[0]. It would certainly need to be checked with the secretary (CC'ed, just in case). That

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 09:21:41AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes: Le dimanche, 19 janvier 2014, 12.39:01 Ian Jackson a écrit : I agree. I think that would be quite bad. We could explicitly state in our TC resolution that the TC decision can be

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 05:11:17PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Ian - any thoughts on if your tech-ctte constitution GR could address this? You mean my TC resolution draft. Nope, I meant your supermajorty etc draft. Snipping the rest, as that seems to be something for tech-ctte, rather than

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 03:56:29PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: I don't think our constitution allows a resolution of the TC to change how §4.1.4 has to be interpreted for a GR overriding it[0]. It would certainly need to be checked with the secretary (CC'ed, just in case). That

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 05:11:17PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Ian - any thoughts on if your tech-ctte constitution GR could address this? You mean my TC resolution draft. Nope, I meant your supermajorty etc draft. Snipping the rest, as that seems to be something for tech-ctte, rather than

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 09:21:41AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes: Le dimanche, 19 janvier 2014, 12.39:01 Ian Jackson a écrit : I agree. I think that would be quite bad. We could explicitly state in our TC resolution that the TC decision can be

Re: Valve games for Debian Developers

2014-01-23 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 03:01:28PM +, Ofek Rakesh wrote: Is this meant as Debian keyring as in 1. http://keyring.debian.org/ or 2. /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg but not in  /usr/share/keyrings/debian-maintainers.gpg ? It's the former, I believe. Well, more precicely:

Re: Scheduling 7.4 and 6.0.9

2014-01-08 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 05:50:27AM +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: Our standard time intervals lead to us looking at point releases for both stable and oldstable during February. The weekend of the 1st / 2nd February is FOSDEM, so probably best avoided. :-) How are people fixed for: 8th /

Re: Updating the Policy Editors delegation

2014-01-08 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 07:39:55PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 03:38:46PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Doing that now. :-) Also, I'm more worried with the interactions with Constitution 6.1.1. It seems to me that a Policy Editors delegation should have come from

Re: Updating the Policy Editors delegation

2014-01-08 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 07:39:55PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 03:38:46PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Doing that now. :-) Also, I'm more worried with the interactions with Constitution 6.1.1. It seems to me that a Policy Editors delegation should have come from

Re: Scheduling 7.4 and 6.0.9

2014-01-08 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 05:50:27AM +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: Our standard time intervals lead to us looking at point releases for both stable and oldstable during February. The weekend of the 1st / 2nd February is FOSDEM, so probably best avoided. :-) How are people fixed for: 8th /

Re: Scheduling 7.4 and 6.0.9

2014-01-08 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 05:50:27AM +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: Our standard time intervals lead to us looking at point releases for both stable and oldstable during February. The weekend of the 1st / 2nd February is FOSDEM, so probably best avoided. :-) How are people fixed for: 8th /

Re: Delegation for the Release Team

2014-01-06 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 01:23:42PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: I'd like to note that the discussion on this delegation was inconclusive on a couple of points: 1) it does not include anything about defining rules for NMU delays. The last time the NMU policy was changed was in 2011. The

Re: Updating the Policy Editors delegation

2014-01-06 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 05:58:19PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Furthermore, I don't think this delegation declaration is constitutionally appropriate. The policy editors are, primarily, maintainers of a package. Indeed, there's potentially an issue here that the constitution states (8.3)

Re: Updating the Policy Editors delegation

2014-01-06 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 03:38:46PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Doing that now. :-) Also, I'm more worried with the interactions with Constitution 6.1.1. It seems to me that a Policy Editors delegation should have come from the TC, not the DPL. Dear Secretary, what do you think? Hia,

Re: Updating the Policy Editors delegation

2014-01-06 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 03:38:46PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Doing that now. :-) Also, I'm more worried with the interactions with Constitution 6.1.1. It seems to me that a Policy Editors delegation should have come from the TC, not the DPL. Dear Secretary, what do you think? Hia,

Bug#727708: loose ends for init system decision

2014-01-01 Thread Neil McGovern
On 30 Dec 2013, at 18:47, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: However, I think it's the best available approach that balances our ideals as a project against the opportunities offered by a new init system. This approach does permit full use of new init system features for jessie except for

Bug#727708: loose ends for init system decision

2014-01-01 Thread Neil McGovern
On 30 Dec 2013, at 18:47, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: However, I think it's the best available approach that balances our ideals as a project against the opportunities offered by a new init system. This approach does permit full use of new init system features for jessie except for

Re: Updating the website on point releases

2013-12-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 02:39:01PM -0400, David Prévot wrote: [ Adding press@ if they wish to comment on the proposal. ] Le 16/12/2013 11:44, Andrei POPESCU a écrit : On Lu, 16 dec 13, 15:22:07, Steve McIntyre wrote: Thoughts? Why not change the links to use the 'current'[1]

Re: Is GCC really wrongly optimizing code leading to several bugs and vulnerabilities?

2013-11-24 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 09:21:35PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~xi/papers/stack-sosp13.pdf Thoughts anyone? See the thread on -security starting at 52900522.9040...@affinityvision.com.au Neil -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Debian APT Key Revocation Procedure

2013-11-01 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 08:27:03AM -0500, Jordon Bedwell wrote: On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org wrote: I take issue with this. I find this attitude really crappy. I'd strongly invite you to reconsider this tone and belief. I invite you to jump back down

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-28 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 05:23:33PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Also, why have people been shying back from GRs like they are a plague? They are a good, and _the_, way to ask the people that make up Debian for their opinion. As someone else said in one of these threads: they don’t eat babies.

Bug#658139: NMU to fix this bug made to delayed/7

2013-10-03 Thread Neil McGovern
package evince unarchive 658139 found 658139 3.8.3-2 thanks It looks like the latest package upload did not ack the NMU. Which means this bug is back. Neil On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 11:37:43AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: I have uploaded an NMU which fixes this bug to delayed/7. The diff for the

Bug#658139: NMU to fix this bug made to delayed/7

2013-10-03 Thread Neil McGovern
package evince unarchive 658139 found 658139 3.8.3-2 thanks It looks like the latest package upload did not ack the NMU. Which means this bug is back. Neil On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 11:37:43AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: I have uploaded an NMU which fixes this bug to delayed/7. The diff for the

Bug#723649: closed by David Prévot da...@tilapin.org (Re: [Pkg-mozext-maintainers] Bug#723649: xul-ext-adblock-plus: wrong dependency on icedove 16)

2013-09-24 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 04:45:11PM +, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: icedove 17.0.8-1~deb7u1 should be part of stable proper with the upcoming 7.2 point release, and may be copied to testing if 17.0.8-1 0 doesn’t migrate in the mean time. It doesn't seem to actually be migrating due

Re: Input on announcing Debian Edu Wheezy?

2013-09-24 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 02:48:26PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: We in Debian Edu are basicly done with our new version of Debian Edu based on Wheezy, and are drafting our release announcement on URL: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/ReleaseNotes/Wheezy . Excellent, good to hear :)

Re: Looking for ideas for merging a micro package...

2013-09-05 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:18:40PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Philipp Kern pkern at debian.org writes: I absolutely do not want to see anything related to ruby on my systems. How is that relevant for Debian? SC#4 and not forcing bad things on users. Fantastic. In that case I

Re: Longer maintainance for (former) stable releases of Debian (Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian)

2013-08-28 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 04:29:08PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 07:52:33PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: I don't really understand it myself as server packages and their dependencies tend to be stable and I tend to want the latest versions of dovecot, unbound etc..

Re: Longer maintainance for (former) stable releases of Debian (Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian)

2013-08-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:41:58AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: The challenge was: who is willing to do the work. Your answer is: me, but only everyone else helps. That doesn't answer the challenge at all. It's hard enough to get maintainers to fix bugs in current stable (backporting can

Re: Longer maintainance for (former) stable releases of Debian (Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian)

2013-08-26 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:14:25AM +0200, Balint Reczey wrote: Hi All, On 08/26/2013 09:31 AM, Mike Gabriel wrote: Hi Charles, On Di 20 Aug 2013 02:04:40 CEST Charles Plessy wrote: Altogether, it is a lot of work, but if we have enough people for doing it, think that it would be

Re: Compromising Debian Repositories

2013-08-23 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 06:11:35PM -0400, Paul Henning wrote: Nope, not gonna do that. He can come right out and deny it himself, so it's on record. He's had weeks to do it and except for one personal reply has been tight lipped about it. Furthermore, I'm curious how that sabotage got by for

Bug#716917: intel-microcode: Configuring the package completely blocks apt

2013-07-15 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 08:02:03PM +0200, Nicolas Patrois wrote: Today (07-14-2013), updating intel-microcode completely blocks aptitude (and dpkg as well). Hi, For info, this does not occur using apt-get on a Thinkpad X220. Neil -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Bug#716917: intel-microcode: Configuring the package completely blocks apt

2013-07-15 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 08:02:03PM +0200, Nicolas Patrois wrote: Today (07-14-2013), updating intel-microcode completely blocks aptitude (and dpkg as well). Hi, For info, this does not occur using apt-get on a Thinkpad X220. Neil -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: AM report for Brian Gupta

2013-06-24 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 08:40:33AM +0200, Christian PERRIER wrote: I recommend to accept Brian Gupta as a non-uploading Debian Developer. +1, Brian has been fantastic in various circles. He's exactly the sort of person who Debian should have! Neil -- signature.asc Description: Digital

Re: Doing something about should remain private forever emails

2013-06-19 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 07:35:26PM +0200, Raphael Geissert wrote: If people start asking for the non-disclosure of their messages in other languages or any other way that prevents an automated process then it is their problem. They would be fighting against their own desire. It's really not

Re: Why does libgeotiff-dev depend on libtiff5-dev ?

2013-06-17 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Jay, On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:18:05AM -0400, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: The release team has not yet found the time to reply to my message of May 6 on when they will be ready to think about the tiff transition or whether my plans for the transition are okay. (It is not my intention to be

Re: RFH: two base wheezy bugs

2013-06-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 09:49:41AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: I'm at loss with what to do with #710047. (random freeze since wheezy) For info, I'm also experiencing this. I'm having quite a bit of trouble tracking it down, though I *suspect* at the moment it may have something to do with the

Re: 7.0- 7.1: any reasons for switching from {4,5,6}.0.x scheme?

2013-06-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 04:32:47PM +0530, Praveen A wrote: Many were curious on diaspora about the change[1]. There is no rationale given in release news[2] about this change. Was there some major change in this release or did we change the version scheme? Any pointers would be welcome. Hi,

Re: 7.0- 7.1: any reasons for switching from {4,5,6}.0.x scheme?

2013-06-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 05:17:32PM +0200, Christoph Berg wrote: Re: Neil McGovern 2013-06-17 20130617111457.gg22...@halon.org.uk On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 04:32:47PM +0530, Praveen A wrote: Many were curious on diaspora about the change[1]. There is no rationale given in release news[2

Bug#710047: base: wheezy freezes by using web-browser or libreoffice scrolling down

2013-06-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 10:04:23PM +0200, Michal Kitta wrote: Wheezy freezes sometimes by web browsing or by scrolling down documents in libreoffice. Never the same problem with other debian-based distro or with squeeze. I believe I'm experiencing the same/similar issues on my Thinkpad

Re: Why does libgeotiff-dev depend on libtiff5-dev ?

2013-06-17 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Jay, On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:18:05AM -0400, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: The release team has not yet found the time to reply to my message of May 6 on when they will be ready to think about the tiff transition or whether my plans for the transition are okay. (It is not my intention to be

Re: default MTA

2013-06-12 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 08:08:17AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 12/06/13 00:02, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2013-06-11 23:50:01 +0200 (+0200), Daniel Pocock wrote: Something that doesn't have these limitations: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2487#section-7 [...] That basically just

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