Re: [Babel-users] Should I use wifi mesh routing in crisis situations?

2017-06-25 Thread Mitar
think you should understand that 802.11s will not scale. So really use it just for small parts of the network, you then combine with L3 routing protocol together. Mitar On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Valent Turkovic <val...@otvorenamreza.org> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 6:20 PM

Re: [Babel-users] latency in WLAN-SI

2015-12-16 Thread Mitar
the 7 second range or is > that an artifact of something else? I do not know. Maybe it is an artifact of flapping route? Valent? Also, ping is from a central location, so this is accumulative over multiple hops. Mitar -- http://mitar.tnode.com/ https:

Re: [Babel-users] latency in WLAN-SI

2015-12-16 Thread Mitar
Foneras. When you have a lot of fiber you tend to like using it all, if you can. :-) Mitar -- http://mitar.tnode.com/ https://twitter.com/mitar_m ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/babel-users

Re: [Babel-users] Babel instability in WLAN-SI

2015-12-14 Thread Mitar
my knowledge for multicast you should use ETX = 1 / d_f (as described in the High-Throughput Multicast Routing Metrics in Wireless Mesh Networks paper). So we know ETX equations for both unicast and multicast. Maybe Babel should support both? Mitar -- http://mitar.tnode.com/ https://twitter.com/mitar_

Re: [Babel-users] Babel instability in WLAN-SI

2015-12-14 Thread Mitar
t work on the wired links as well as on WiFi? Mitar On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek <j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> wrote: >> BTW, how should VPN links be handled in this case? They are currently >> marked as wired, but they can also experience packet loss. Does t

Re: [Babel-users] Bucket full, dropping packet

2015-12-13 Thread Mitar
Hi! But it will be more complicated with upgrades, and more complicated assuring that things are really the same (same patched version of Babel, same kernel version, TCP/IP stack, sysctl settings, etc.). Mitar On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek <j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot

Re: [Babel-users] wanted to map the babel network

2015-12-11 Thread Mitar
l > addresses to only those which are actually used by babeld. Because > currently I just have to report them all (I could cross-reference that > with interfaces in babeld configuration, but I think this would be too > much added complexity, so I just report all of them). Was this addresse

Re: [Babel-users] Bucket full, dropping packet

2015-12-11 Thread Mitar
it is not really production grade? We had to turn of Babel in the network and go back to OLSRv1. So much for smooth transition. Mitar On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Jernej Kos <jer...@kos.mx> wrote: > Hello! > > On 11. 12. 2015 18:47, Matthieu Boutier wrote: >> Did you know wh

Re: [Babel-users] ANNOUNCE: babeld-1.6.3

2015-10-24 Thread Mitar
Hi! https://github.com/jech/babeld/blob/master/CHANGES is not updated? Is default route in a special routing table patch in? Mitar On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek <j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> wrote: > Dear all, > > Babeld-1.6.3 is available

Re: [Babel-users] Specifying the routing table of exported routes

2015-09-02 Thread Mitar
Hi! Any progress on this? I know that not yet many days have passed, but it is pretty urgent for us, because the network grew to the stage where OLSR routing is unstable so we would need to switch to Babel as soon as possible. Mitar On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Jernej Kos <jer...@kos

Re: [Babel-users] Specifying the routing table of exported routes

2015-08-27 Thread Mitar
Hi! I think that putting routes of both routing protocols in the same table gets really messy and hard to debug. And prevents any policy routing rules we might want to apply. Mitar On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr wrote: Then we can have

Re: [Babel-users] Specifying the routing table of exported routes

2015-08-26 Thread Mitar
Mitar On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Jernej Kos jer...@kos.mx wrote: Hello! Is it possible to specify the routing table of exported routes in babeld? So for example that the default route would be put into a separate routing table from the other exported routes? Jernej

Re: [Babel-users] Roaming at layer 3

2015-08-09 Thread Mitar
interface you want to run on the same channel, and for client interface you want to run on different channels. Mitar -- http://mitar.tnode.com/ https://twitter.com/mitar_m ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http

Re: [Babel-users] Fwd: Why we switched to Babel

2015-08-09 Thread Mitar
Hi! In the future we may implement roaming support which will let people keep their IP as they move around the city, but it will still switch after e.g. 10 minutes, so tracking people becomes much harder. What are ideas to implement roaming on L3? Mitar -- http://mitar.tnode.com/ https

Re: [Babel-users] Roaming at layer 3

2015-08-09 Thread Mitar
this multi-channel roaming-enabled pockets of the network? Mitar -- http://mitar.tnode.com/ https://twitter.com/mitar_m ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/babel

Re: [Babel-users] Roaming at layer 3

2015-08-09 Thread Mitar
system selects the channel so that the link is possible. This second approach has a benefit that also backbone connections could be done through the same system. Mitar On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr wrote: Your understanding is correct

Re: [Babel-users] Fwd: Why we switched to Babel

2015-08-08 Thread Mitar
1500 MTU. No? Mitar -- http://mitar.tnode.com/ https://twitter.com/mitar_m ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/babel-users

Re: [Babel-users] Babeld merged with GPL headers against copyright holders' wishes

2012-04-12 Thread Mitar
it benefits society, in the monitoring of various infrastructures in a secure fashion within reason. Am I smelling security through obscurity here? Securing the code should never be the way for securing the system. If you are doing this, then you just add a false *sense* of security. Mitar

Re: [Babel-users] Babeld merged with GPL headers against copyright holders' wishes

2012-04-12 Thread Mitar
the code without he getting anything from that. He really found that rude. Not paying him? How they dare! Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/babel-users

[Babel-users] Question about Babel

2012-04-12 Thread Mitar
will be created dynamically, so we will have to setup Babel to work on top of that as tunnels are created and removed. Can Babel handle this? Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin

Re: [Babel-users] Question about Babel

2012-04-12 Thread Mitar
, this IP is also announced on node A with /32 announce and once it moves to B, B starts announcing it. Sorry if my terminology is not correct. I am not a network guy. But I hope you will still understand what I asking. Or educate me what is proper terminology. Thanks. Mitar

Re: [Babel-users] Question about Babel

2012-04-12 Thread Mitar
Hi! Juliusz thank you for your explanations. Now I think I understand a bit more. OK, so such daemon which would allow roaming in combination with Babel in the sense I am hoping for does not yet exist. Do you maybe know if there is already some project hoping to implement that? Mitar On Thu

Re: [Babel-users] Question about Babel

2012-04-12 Thread Mitar
write it immediately. We are still evaluating possibilities. :-) Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/babel-users

Re: [Babel-users] [Battlemesh] Battlemesh-like experiment in Washington, DC

2011-08-10 Thread Mitar
probably use the same schema internally in your control panel in a distributed way so that maybe some centralized system in your network could still fetch this data and use it (for example to draw a map or something). Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list

Re: [Babel-users] [Battlemesh] Battlemesh-like experiment in Washington, DC

2011-08-09 Thread Mitar
Hi! and our control panel application What do you use for your control panel application? can pseudo-randomly choose RFC-1918 IP addresses for mesh interfaces if the user selects it. You do know birthday paradox? ;-) https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Birthday_problem Mitar

Re: [Babel-users] [Battlemesh] Battlemesh-like experiment in Washington, DC

2011-08-09 Thread Mitar
be enough. In IPv4 is problem, that if you will take big address space you will have problems peering with other mesh networks. If this will be one day interesting to you. (At least in Europe we are slowly trying to connect all networks together.) Mitar

Re: [Babel-users] RFC 6126: The Babel Routing Protocol

2011-04-06 Thread Mitar
Hi! Port 6697. Looks like IRC. ;-) Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/babel-users

Re: [Babel-users] Questions

2011-04-03 Thread Mitar
about paths to other nodes. Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/babel-users

Re: [Babel-users] Questions

2011-04-03 Thread Mitar
C. And when A runs its run and the shortest path between B and C is already found/calculated and it is not recalculated again (what would be if you would say that runs are independent). No? Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users

Re: [Babel-users] Questions

2011-03-30 Thread Mitar
. Thanks for all the answers. Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/babel-users

[Babel-users] Questions

2011-03-29 Thread Mitar
information about how is best for other nodes to send it packets. But this is not really useful. I would need information in other direction. Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman

Re: [Babel-users] mv from darcs to git

2011-03-01 Thread Mitar
with moving. To stir things even more: why not Mercurial? ;-) Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/babel-users

Re: [Babel-users] Last change to edit the Babel draft

2011-02-27 Thread Mitar
understand correctly you are inviting me to /tmp/lab? Uh, I am from Slovenia, so this would require some traveling I do not believe by budget allows me. Sadly. I would be glad to visit you. Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org

Re: [Babel-users] Babel Multicast routing

2011-02-27 Thread Mitar
Hi! On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 1:01 AM, Gioacchino Mazzurco gmazzurc...@gmail.com wrote: there is some plan to implement multicast routing on babel in short terms? +1 Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http

Re: [Babel-users] How to cite Babel?

2011-02-24 Thread Mitar
Hi! On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.jussieu.fr wrote:  Juliusz Chroboczek.  /The Babel routing protocol/.  To appear as  RFC 6126.  2011. Hm, will try to convert that into bibtex. Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list

[Babel-users] How to cite Babel?

2011-02-22 Thread Mitar
Hi! How can I cite Babel in my thesis? Is there an article or at least (published) whitepaper I could cite? Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/babel-users

Re: [Babel-users] Wireless Battle Mesh v4 - Call for papers

2011-01-23 Thread Mitar
. Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/babel-users

[Babel-users] Babel vs. PWRP

2010-10-13 Thread Mitar
Hi! Do you know how does Babel compare to Predictive Wireless Routing Protocol (PWRP)? http://www.tropos.com/technology/scalability.html Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman

Re: [Babel-users] AHCP thoughts

2010-07-21 Thread Mitar
be an interesting social routing approach. Useful for some 1 April RFC. ;-) Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/babel-users

Re: [Babel-users] [WLANware] [Olsr-dev] Announcing MeshApp, A Mobile Application for Wireless Mesh Networking

2010-06-12 Thread Mitar
a Parisian dialect. ;-) Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/babel-users

Re: [Babel-users] AHCP and IPv4 support

2010-06-09 Thread Mitar
that a good hash function based on MAC which would produce this temporary IP address would have a collision in this short time-span (while two nodes are trying to get their IP) is slim, isn't it? Once it gets a real IP it would just start using the same link-local IP address as others. Mitar

Re: [Babel-users] AHCP and IPv4 support

2010-06-08 Thread Mitar
-local addresses in IPv4? The we-all-know-and-love 169.254.* addresses? Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/babel-users

Re: [Babel-users] AHCP and IPv4 support

2010-06-07 Thread Mitar
be fine. But we would also like to support 2.0 versions. So is there no way it would work on just IPv4 or was this just something nobody cared for so there is no implementation for it? Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users

Re: [Babel-users] Ahcpd update in OpenWrt (quick HOWTO)

2010-06-01 Thread Mitar
connecting that the node you are connecting is really yours and not MiM node trying to get your password? Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/babel-users

Re: [Babel-users] Ahcpd update in OpenWrt (quick HOWTO)

2010-05-31 Thread Mitar
Hi! On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Gabriel Kerneis kern...@pps.jussieu.fr wrote: Choose one of your stations to act as an ahcpd server. What happens if there is a network split? Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users

Re: [Babel-users] Ahcpd update in OpenWrt (quick HOWTO)

2010-05-31 Thread Mitar
(necessary to survive a network split). OK. But what is then difference with running a dnsmasq on every node with DHCP where every node has its own IPv4 pool for clients? dnsmasq does not yet support IPv6 but is this then the only difference? Mitar ___ Babel

Re: [Babel-users] ETX metric for bandwidth limited links

2010-05-19 Thread Mitar
only one path which is the best for both directions. Is there some reason why would be prefer in our networks paths which are the same for both directions? Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http

[Babel-users] Babel Android Maemo GUI

2010-05-13 Thread Mitar
the routing protocol and auto-configure itself and starts using it. Mitar ___ Babel-users mailing list Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/babel-users

[Babel-users] ETX metric for bandwidth limited links

2010-05-10 Thread Mitar
routes? Does it support asymmetric links? As I understand currently it is possible to define your own ETX metrics but I do not see a clear way of adding bandwidth information to ETX without also changing the way (not just shortest path) routes are calculated. Mitar