Draer Susan Steve,
I would like to thankboth of you for
responding to me on this topic. I do appreciate your time. I willfurther
appreciate your feedback here. My purpose is to make things more clear in my own
mind.
Susan, you wrote:
"The reference to the House of Justice making civil
Hi Gilberto
I have been enjoying your discussions with the Baha'i friends, but I am
curious what does your signature mean My people are hydroponic?
Peace and Unity
Roger
At 01:00 PM 1/17/2005, you wrote:
Subject: Re: Kitab-i-Iqan pgs. 3-4
From: Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 16
Gilberto,
At 08:28 PM 1/16/2005, you wrote:
On some level I sympathize. Mathematicians are trained to see statements as
simply false on the strength of a single counter-example. But full
mathematical rigor doesn't get you very far in the real world.
The work I do isn't very utilitarian. ;-)
Hi, Janine,
At 09:02 PM 1/16/2005, you wrote:
I just discovered this post. Mark, I have no clue what Cloud9 is, what
you are talking about... I am using a Yahoo account. I do not know what
problem you are referring to ;o) Can you tell me more or is it resolved now?
I only received that
Janine,
At 10:31 PM 1/16/2005, you wrote:
and it is too fundamentalistic in approach.
You hit on one of my pet peeves. The Ruhi method, as I have seen it conducted
(and as I have heard from most other people), *is*, IMO, fundamentalist, and I
am concerned it is being promoted by the
Just to zoom in on one point..
Gilberto:
What I'm saying is that the bulk of the people on the Christian side are
much more open to the idea of future prophets. And people on the Muslim
side have a clearer sense that no prophets are coming.
Mark:
On average, they use the word more
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:02:49 +0800, Roger Borseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Gilberto
I have been enjoying your discussions with the Baha'i friends, but I am
curious what does your signature mean My people are hydroponic?
I sometimes do poetry slams and perform at open mikes. One piece I'm
Khazeh, Awesome stuff!Please keep it coming.Khazeh Fananapazir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The essence of these words is this: they that tread the path of faith, theythat thirst for the wine of certitude, must cleanse themselves of all thatis earthly - their ears from idle talk, their minds from vain
Dear Khazeh:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:01:57 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We are still in the first page of this Great Book.
In the Kitáb-i-Íqán itself, Bahá'u'lláh states that, all the Scriptures,
and the mysteries thereof are condensed into this brief account, (Íqán 237)
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:02:08 -0800 (PST), JS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe Baha'is are hydroponic too, because Baha'u'llah and his companions
were exiled all over the middle east, and now Baha'is are scattered around
the globe, and consider themselves world citizens first, then citizens of
Hi Gilberto,
I think all Khazeh is doing is going through the Kitab-i-Iqan, doing a slow read of it, and relating the things Baha'u'llah says in the first two pages of the Kitab-i-Iqan to other Writings so that someone like me, for example, can see what exactly Baha'u'llah was talking about.
Gilberto,
???
There are more Baha'is in countries where Baha'u'llah never went to than there are Baha'is in countries He was exiled to.
Secondly, Baha'u'llah taught that one is a World Citizen first, and that patriotism is subservient to it.
India, African, the Americas, for example, make up
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:06:17 -0800 (PST), JS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,
???
Please don't argue with me. We are talking about a phrase I coined.
People are asking me what I meant by that phrase. And then are
disagreeing with what I'm telling them. That doesn't make ANY sense.
Peace
Hi Mark,
Oh dear. This could easily end in a pro-contra ruhi debate. When I hear objections to things I always want to try to assess how much of these objections are based in truth. The same when I hear glorification of things.
how many people OUTSIDE the USA do you know who have gone through
In a message dated 1/17/2005 2:51:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I do not think that "the wisdom of referring the
laws of society to the House of Justice" the laws of society means civil
laws,
Dear Firouz,
My translation of akham-i madaniyyih here isthe
In a message dated 1/17/2005 10:37:49 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The same when I hear glorification of things.
how many people OUTSIDE the USA do you know who have gone through the
ruhi books, who have done more than one?
Dear Janine,
If most people are
Hi Susan,
well, I am not sure that most people are turned off by book one here in Ireland for a start. I am sure that a lot of people who are bahais for a while initially have a bias against book one, until the method is explained to them. and why the repetition is. That is so in Europe, that is
Hi Gilberto, Thanks for the background, very interesting.My wife is of Western European descent (Irish, English, and German)and is a fluent Spanish speaker.For the past few years, she has been working in aTwo-Way bilingual Spanish/English school. The student body is composed of approximately 70%
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:00:11 -0500, Gilberto Simpson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But alot of the **Cubans** I grew up around were either
Mexican or Puerto Rican.
That was meant to be Hispanic/Latino.
My people are hydroponic
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I forgot one thing.
I want to ask you all, both in favour and those not in favour of ruhi, how sure you are you are objective, you follow the tablet of the true seeker in this and how ready you are to throw preconceived ideas and notions overboard. It is a question I invite you to ask yourself.
We are still in the first page of this Great Book. In the Kitáb-i-Íqán itself, Bahá'u'lláh states that, "all the Scriptures, and the mysteries thereof are condensed into this brief account," (Íqán 237) and that it can unfold "all the allusions and the implications of the utterances of the
Chuckle!
No Ruhi is not academic. I omitted something there. What I intended was: if you live in a culture whihc has a strong subculture of anti-intellectualism and then a method is introduced which is not appealing to the intellect, it can create a strong bias against that method.
You say it
What I intended was: if you live in a culture whihc has a strong
subculture of anti-intellectualism and then a method is introduced which is
not appealing to the intellect, it can create a strong bias against that
method.
Dear Janine,
Ah yes, then we are on the same wave length. In fact I was
Gilberto:
Something I've noticed about the way communication happens is that there is
a lot of cutting and pasting, and not much actual writing. There are
probably pragmatic reasons for that in terms of time. But I think there are
also perhaps other reasons. What is a little unsettling is that
In a message dated 1/17/2005 12:21:51 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Maybe it is a good thing that firesides have stopped,
The NSA has made cleaqr over and over in the U.S. that the institute process should NOT make firesides and deepenings stop. If it is, then attitudes
The NSA has made cleaqr over and over in the U.S. that the institute
process should NOT make firesides and deepenings stop. If it is, then
attitudes need adjustment to comply with the guidance on the issue.
Dear Scott,
I don't think it is a matter of 'attitude' it is a matter of energy. There
is
Dear Scott,
What Abdu'l-Baha was trying to do was make sure that individual Assembly
members did not undermine the authority of the institution as a whole by
opposing the decision that body made. For them not to act in unity under
these circumstances is rather like parents arguing discipline
So if some new religion came about tomorrow which thought that the San
francisco Yellow Pages were holy revelation from God you don't think
it would be possible to ever refute their claim?
Needless to say, such a claim would be self-refutable.
I guess this is an attempt at humor?
On second
In fact, even our NSA seems to have largely been shut out of the process.
It mostly came down from the ITC, which as you know, is not an elected
institution.
Yes, this is one of the difficulties I find and that is that one of the
principal publishers of the Ruhi materials is Palabra Publications
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:02:54 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,
At 08:36 AM 1/17/2005, you wrote:
And I've NEVER said in all of this that most Christians think the Bible has
been added to or replaced. But it is easier to find Christians who claim to
receive
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:25:42 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,
Also, I don't think that the fact that there may, proportionately, be more
people calling themselves Christians who claim to be prophets, messiahs,
and the like than those calling themselves Muslims
Gilberto,
At 03:47 PM 1/17/2005, you wrote:
But the fact that one of those lists was almost 4 times longer than the other
one is not just some coincidence, and its not just that you might be more
familiar with Western examples.
In terms of the size of the list, I offered an explanation.
With
Gilberto,
At 04:00 PM 1/17/2005, you wrote:
There might be more space for varied religious groups in general, in more
pluralistic societies. But Christian prophets still had a large presence in
Christianity from a very early point in time.
That is true, but, until recently, they largely
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:59:55 -0800, Patti Goebel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you
believe all the prophets are one, and God's religion is one, then the
Bahai faith is redundant and Islam (in the sense of following the
Quran and the sunnah of Muhammad, saaws) is sufficient. Are you
willing
I think we can spend 12 months just on this one paragraph on pages 3-4. Oceans of wealth and knowledgebehind just a few words. Surely, this is the miraculous Word of God.
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The all-new My Yahoo! What will yours do?
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You are
If you love the light, then the lamp doesn't matter (much). Then you should be happy with the light from your lamp, and other people can be fine with the light from theirlamp. But it's all good since it's all the same light.JS:
That is a nice way to see it. No matter what lamp you use, the dark
Gilberto,At 07:49 PM 1/17/2005, you wrote:That's not what I"m hearing from Bahais. What I tend to hear is that the lamp doesn't matter but then they insist that people should use their lamp.I think that point is that when one accepts the Light, the Will of God, one accepts it in whatever Lamp it
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:15:07 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,
At 07:49 PM 1/17/2005, you wrote:
That's not what Im hearing from Bahais. What I tend to hear is that the
lamp doesn't matter but then they insist that people should use their
lamp.
I think that point
Gilberto,
At 08:30 PM 1/17/2005, you wrote:
Yes, I understand that. But that would only be an issue if the Bahai lamp is
the only one with light. If light shone through muiltiple lamps, you can pick
any lamp you want, even if for silly reasons like it was the lamp you grew up
with, or it was
In a message dated 12/23/2004 8:11:04 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(Don't
Bahais say that the world will continue to exist
indefinitely?)
Dear Gilbert,
I'm going through some old posts that I missed during my vacation and noted
the above remark. Baha'is
I would like to add a few of my personal observations about Ruhi in
Thailand. The emphasis during last 5 years or so have been on Ruhi Study
Circles, devotional meetings, and children classes here in Thailand
(specially Ruhi SC). In Yasothan in North East of Thailand where a Baha'i
school
But personally I did not enjoy the SC method of Teaching the
Faith.
Dear Firouz,
Don't confuse Ruhi with Study Circles per se. Ruhi is just the curriculum
which has been adopted in most areas for Study Circles.
Once when I disagreed about a given comment in one of the Ruhi books,
I was sort of
In a message dated 1/18/2005 12:36:22 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Of
course, in context, `Abdu'l-Baha is referring to legislative deductions.
Correct. But the issue of the proper relationship between religion and
state is a matter of law.
warmest, Susan
Gilberto:
I might have. Personally, I would have to make a serious study of
Daniel and Revelation before I would feel really confident responding
in a specific way. Offhand my impression is that Biblical prophecies
are really murky, and given the range of different interpretations
given to
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