Re: Steven Greer

2013-06-21 Thread Jeanine H .
. IMO, he sounds like he has become either a con man or mentally disturbed in some manner. But everyone may take it as they choose. Jeanine H. On 6/21/2013 12:15 PM, Hasan Elías wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I never looked for his religious background, never imagine he was related

Re: Steven Greer

2013-06-21 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Another point of view on Greer and others: The UFO Disclosure Myth- http://home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/disclosure.htm On 6/21/2013 2:10 PM, Jeanine H. wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv RE: Steven Greer: To state the obvious:The Internet is full of liars

Re: Steven Greer

2013-06-21 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I would agree with both you and Hasan Elias. Of course this is particularly unfortunate, since he drags the Name of the Faith down in the mud with him. Unfortunately, there are always folks like this around. I pray the Faith becomes well-enough known so that nutters

Re: Steven Greer

2013-06-21 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I think Mike has summarized the current factual state of the issue pretty well as I also see it. Jeanine H. On 6/21/2013 11:01 PM, Mike Moum wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Personally, I think it quite likely that there is intelligent life elsewhere

Re: Happy Day of the Empty Throne

2012-11-20 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Tim, Judging by a long list of posts I have learned to avoid, I believe the deed is already done, and done thoroughly. Yours, Jeanine On 11/20/2012 3:10 PM, Tim Nolan wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Mr. Gray, You are badly mistaken. The legitimate

Re: Bigamy permitted in bahá'í writings?

2012-09-25 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Small quibble: The text of the note below is not by Baha'u'llah, tho' the cut-'n-paste attribution lists Him because He authored the Aqdas. It *does* provide an interpretation appropriate to the subject, of course. Jeanine H. On 9/25/2012 7:33 PM, Dean Betts wrote

Re: Baha'u'llah mentioned in Bee Gees song

2012-08-14 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I know I love it when Baha'u'llah's Name is (respectfully) mentioned, but I think there's a lesson in this. Catholics have been seeing the Virgin Mary in tree stumps and oil slicks for years (these could be seen as manifestations--small m--and divine signs since they

Re: Arab-American Psychiatrist Wafa Sultan Harshly Criticizes the Status of Women in Islam

2010-12-23 Thread Jeanine H .
societies may have done with that example is another story). What about the other two marriages of Muhammad that Dr. Sultan criticizes? Jeanine H. On 12/23/2010 9:21 AM, atheist challenge wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ough-e6ThWE

Re: Baha'i Review

2010-09-14 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Susan Brill de Ramirez, The following is just my opinion. Part of the problem may be that this is only a partly-moderated list. Mark needs to give the co-moderator the ability to remove posts if he is not going to monitor this list, and long practice seems to

Re: Baha'i Review

2010-09-14 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Susan, Thanks for the clarification. I do wish you could be a full moderator, but if you don't want the job anyway, I certainly understand. A lot of software exists that allows you to remove individual posts without banning the poster. Of course, on a mailing

Re: Time dependence of Revelation

2010-06-24 Thread Jeanine H .
they were trying to say the Quran pointed to the year 1974, or some such. Perhaps that constitutes a breakdown. I still think the only way prophecy really works is to look backwards and notice, hey, this particular interpretation appears to have been true. Just IMO. Jeanine H. On 6/24/2010 5:15 PM

Re: The only quality God doesn't has?

2010-06-16 Thread Jeanine H .
are talking about love. Who is C.S.Lewis? best wishes *De:* Jeanine H. jeanin...@earthlink.net *Para:* Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu *Enviado:* mar, junio 15, 2010 8:00:26 PM *Asunto:* Re: The only quality

Re: The only quality God doesn't has?

2010-06-15 Thread Jeanine H .
Him after all, He accepts us with open arms (to be anthropomorphic), despite our lives of unfaithfulness. Yours, Jeanine H. On 6/15/2010 10:25 AM, Hasan Elías wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Thanks to all for answers, Matt, how can God be humble to Himself? It is hard to understand. Thi

Re: Virtues( Was:Re: CapitalSins/CapitalVices/DeadlySins/PrincipalFaults/ImpureThoughts)

2010-05-24 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv As a Children's Class teacher, I have always emphasized virtues. I ran across a commercial series of thin books for children that were organized by vice, as it were. They were useful, to a point. However, the virtues approach has always be predominant with me because

Re: The Global Warming Hoax

2010-04-28 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Stephen, One big problem is that the science has become inextricably interwoven with political agendas on both sides. This obscures the actual findings. Unless you have the scientific expertise to independently confirm the research and conclusions on your own,

Re: Loving Sympathy and Refutation

2010-04-21 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv An example of pulling down such as the following, perhaps: The reply is chronologically vague. 1An ex-Bahai sets up a website. 2A Bahai sets up a website, then becomes an ex. 3A non-Bahai sets up a website, becomes one, becomes an ex. And addendum by Sen on

Happy Ridvan

2010-04-21 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv ... to everyone! Yours, Jeanine __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-500498-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st

Re: Happy Ridvan

2010-04-21 Thread Jeanine H .
AM, Ahang Rabbani wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Jeanine H. jeanin...@earthlink.net mailto:jeanin...@earthlink.net wrote: ... to everyone! You mean to everyone except Sen, right? -- Ahang Rabbani, PhD http://ahang.rabbani.googlepages.com

Re: Loving Sympathy and Refutation

2010-04-20 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv In my opinion, it is entirely appropriate that the nature of the writings and the websites of ex-Baha'is be made clear. At that point, people may investigate as they choose. To do otherwise is to be willingly blind and naive. Negativity in the face of people who

Re: Loving Sympathy and Refutation

2010-04-20 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Interesting comment. I would not see disenrollment as an encouragement to continue the conversation with them on what got them disenrolled. I could see reading them as a preview to what hints they will be giving to enemies of the Faith as to new tactics to try to

Re: Loving Sympathy and Refutation

2010-04-20 Thread Jeanine H .
so, but previous religions give examples of that being unlikely. *From:* Jeanine H. jeanin...@earthlink.net *To:* Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu *Sent:* Tue, April 20, 2010 8:35:03 AM *Subject:* Re: Loving

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-19 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Stephen, Just my opinion: I think this would be a great topic for the Baha'i Community website, also. It might be more fitting were I to answer these in private to you. However, in case it is the source for any confirmations or meditations on the part of the

Re: Quran and Hadith

2010-04-16 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Susan, Interesting point. I have also heard of hadiths that could be construed to point to the Faith, so we would probably not want to throw them all out. Like most prophecies, they can be interpreted to fit many points of view. This reminds me a little of a

Re: Quran and Hadith

2010-04-15 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Then, the line appears not to be scriptural. On the other hand, based on these quotes, it appears to be a pithy and evocative way to express what happened! Jeanine On 4/15/2010 1:43 AM, Sen Sonja wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 14 Apr 2010 at 18:57, Jeanine

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-15 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Whoa. Maybe Sen would like to reveal that he has a dog in this fight. Jeanine On 4/15/2010 2:49 PM, Sen Sonja wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 15 Apr 2010 at 7:46, Stephen Gray wrote: The reply is chronologically vague. 1An ex-Bahai sets up a website. 2A

Re: Quran and Hadith

2010-04-14 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Perhaps someone can tell me the source (if it's not our own Kitab-i-Hearsay) of this reference I've heard of to Hadith: Hadith became the 750 bullets that killed the Bab. Yours, Jeanine On 4/14/2010 10:21 AM, Stephen Gray wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Oh, I

Re: Political views

2010-04-02 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear David, That would (in most cases) be my opinion, too. Yours, Jeanine On 4/2/2010 10:30 PM, David Regal wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Janine, Are you saying (in your opinion) the Baha'i celebrity should decline to say who they voted for, even if

Re: Political views

2010-04-01 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear David, Are you saying (in your opinion) the Baha'i celebrity should decline to say who they voted for, even if asked? Just trying to understand what you mean. Yours, Jeanine On 4/1/2010 2:29 AM, David Regal wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Yes, I was not

Re: Political views

2010-04-01 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Part of the problem is that 1) there are absolutely some white people who won't, and 2) it never happened before, so people had to see it to believe it (not just for black people). Skepticism in the black community has seemed well-earned, in many people's view.

Re: Political views

2010-04-01 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Simeon, Isn't that a little bit like saying that, because the Azadi Tower that Iranians are so proud of was built by a Baha'i, that Iran is a bastion of freedom and liberty for Baha'is? I don't know the history of Mississippi in terms of who has served--maybe

Re: Political views

2010-04-01 Thread Jeanine H .
, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Jeanine H. jeanin...@earthlink.net mailto:jeanin...@earthlink.net wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Simeon, Isn't that a little bit like saying that, because the Azadi Tower that Iranians are so proud of was built by a Baha'i, that Iran

Re: Political views

2010-03-31 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I agree that we are probably not obliged to keep it a secret, because I've not yet seen in the Writings that there is such a specified obligation. Exercising wisdom by choosing not to reveal it is a different matter. I have seen people typecast because they

Re: Political views

2010-03-31 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Thanks, Iskandar. Altho' I could be wrong about the original questioner's intent, there is absolutely no question of the *legality* of choosing to keep your vote a secret i(n the U.S.). Additionally, you could perfectly well lie and no one would know the difference.

Re: Political views

2010-03-31 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Touche! ;-) On 3/31/2010 11:31 AM, Susan Maneck wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I agree that we are probably not obliged to keep it a secret, because I've not yet seen in the Writings that there is such a specified obligation. Exercising wisdom by choosing

Re: George Ronald

2010-01-08 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Don, Perhaps, David George Ronald Hoffman? Jeanine H. Don Calkins wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Where did this name come from? Don C __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:jeanin

Re: Sects

2009-12-22 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Susan, Could you elaborate on the recent court case? Jeanine H. Susan Maneck wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I suspect Joel Marangella's group is the largest and I doubt if they number more than a couple of hundred. In a recent court case in the US

Re: FW: Donaldson's Shi'ite Religion

2009-08-30 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear khazeh, Unfortunately, I get an error message that the file is too big from the send6 site. Yours, Jeanine H. khazeh wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv A wonderful and most generous Bahai friend and scholar , Dr Duane Troxel, has made available

Re: Re: Shouldn't he have known?

2009-04-10 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Firestorm, this is the first post of yours I have understood and agreed with. No doubt, this is due to my own previous obtuseness lack of insight. Yours, Jeanine firestorm wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv tim, at the belly to the ground level, i would share

Re: Shoghi Effendi quote?

2008-10-01 Thread Jeanine H.
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Just FYI, the expression is moot point. Other than that, no argument here. Susan Maneck wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Albert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv The question is 'would anyone write on behalf

Re: Short Obligatory Prayer

2007-04-24 Thread Jeanine H.
Dear friends, One of the interesting issues brought up when I studied how to do French/English translations was that of capturing the literal translation vs. capturing the essence of the material. I remember translating a French poem about a chef that contained many plays on words regarding

Re: Baha'i considerations about alcohol...

2007-01-09 Thread Jeanine H.
being labeled as regular beer or wine. One should be able to read labels (at least, in the U.S.) to see if it contains alcohol, I think. Yours, Jeanine H. Prema wrote: Hi Loic et al This discussion reminds me of a short anecdote that I recently came across in Marzieh Gail's Arches Over

Re: change of sex?

2006-11-01 Thread Jeanine H.
Dear Hasan, I wish I could read Spanish, but I can't get very far with it, so I cannot read what you wrote on your blog. Anyway--and, there are sources you might try that are far more educated than I am on this--the House appears to accept that there is a difference between a homosexual

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-31 Thread Jeanine H.
Dear Susan, I just wanted to see if I understood what Scott was saying. He said with such finality that the marriage would not be invalidated, so I wondered if he knew of a case. I have not yet received a clear "yes" or "no," at least, as far as I understand with my Oldtimers' Disease ;-)

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-28 Thread Jeanine H.
Dear Marleen, Hello! I am not entirely sure of your point, so I hope this reply is constructive. I know from firsthand experience of a person who changed his/her gender via surgery, etc., and was allowed to subsequently marry. My understanding is that the person was under a doctor's care

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-28 Thread Jeanine H.
Interesting! The case of hermaphrodites and other physical conditions would seem to me to be a different subject. Are you saying you know a case where the Baha'i Administration did not invalidate a marriage where one partner changed physical gender? That would also be interesting to know.

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-28 Thread Jeanine H.
. Regards, Scott "Jeanine H." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting! The case of hermaphrodites and other physical conditions would seem to me to be a different subject. Are you saying you know a case where the Baha'i Administration did not invalidate a marriage where one partn

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-28 Thread Jeanine H.
in the eyes of the public. What a terrible personal test this would be for all concerned. Yours, Jeanine M Chase wrote: How would Bahai assumptions be different? Jeanine H. wrote: Sounds like a long forum discussion with GLAAD would be in order, tho' Baha'is still won't be operating from

Re: alcohol in meals

2006-08-01 Thread Jeanine H.
I always felt that it meant, finally, that alcohol would be resigned forever to the medicine cabinet and never be kept again as a food item. And, in reach of temptation. :-) However, this is a purely personal understanding. Yours, Jeanine Hasan Elias wrote: Hi friends,

Re: Science and Religion-Enlightenment

2006-04-13 Thread Jeanine H.
I could certainly be off track here, as I do not claim to be a historian or philosopher. But, if we disagree with 'Abdu'l-Baha about a philosophical movement, aren't we just pitting our opinions against His? This is not the same as comparing a statement of the Master about some aspect of

Re: Science and Religion

2006-04-13 Thread Jeanine H.
As 'Abdu'l-Baha was already advocating what could be seen as apostacy (embracing a successor religion to Islam) and forms of immorality (equal rights for women), I would wonder why we should assume that He would have any fear of speaking His true opinion in these matters, as well. M Chase

Re: badaa: a Prophet before one thousand years?

2006-01-27 Thread Jeanine H.
What a perfect example! ;-) Jeanine Hasan Elias wrote: Dear Susan, you call "She" with capital S! uhmmm... you hope next Prophet be a woman? "She" or "He" whatever, I have no problems with it (but according to religious history, itcould be not a woman)...