Who says Bahais must not look at the photo? Is it the House or the
opinion of a few Bahais? Some of these reactions border on
superstition. Look what the Guardian says:
There is no objection that the believers look at the picture of
Baha'u'llah, but they should do so with the utmost
Trying to understand something I am reading. If you read the following,
to what religious traditions do you think the author is referring?
traditions that protect their “founding documents from critical
analysis” or use “violence to prevent its members from converting to
another faith,”
What kind of cult would the Faith be if you were allowed to do that;-?!
David Friedman wrote:
In order to advance to an A cluster a certain number of people must
complete a few of the courses. Since I don't really learn anything or
enjoy Ruhi I was wondering if there is some way one can 'do'
Please help me understand how Ken Wilber is understood from popular and
academic perspectives. How do those on the list who read his books see
him--as a New Age guru or as a philosopher of science and religion or
both and why? Of those of you with some affiliation to academia, how is
he
Can anyone help me find a letter from the US NSA in last 5 years that
mentions chimera unity as undesirable in the Bahai community?
Someone recently suggested to me that if Bahais just pretended there was
unity, we would have unity. This doesn't make any sense to me. It
seems more like a
Read David Piff's Bahai Lore and then you can show and tell other Bahais
that they are repeating unfounded rumors. Almost anything another Bahai
could say but can't find is in there. Also remind Bahais that the
Guardian said the Faith was scientific in its method, so they should
either
Dear Richard,
The Guardian says nothing about requiring any demonstrations:
The Revelation proclaimed by Bahá'u'lláh, His followers believe, is
divine in origin, all-embracing in scope, broad in its outlook,
scientific in its method, humanitarian in its principles and dynamic in
the influence
Heterosexual marriages are permitted. Homosexual marriages are never
permitted and never recognized in the Bahai Faith, even when the
homosexual marriages are legal in society.
Marleen
HUSA wrote:
Dear friends,
if a man has 2 wives, and
he is become bahai, his 2
As remarkable as it may seem, there are known cases. Sometimes love can
transcend anything. Marleen
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Are there cases where a person who changed genders wished to remain
married as before? Or are we just talking hypothetically?
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The writings and all governments already recognize marriage between a
man and a woman. Just because after marriage one spouse chooses to
physically alter their body by surgery wouldn't invalidate the marriage,
which even states that prohibit gay marriage are bound to continue to
recognize.
Jeanine H. wrote:
we know that two same genders are not married in the Faith,
Right. But what if a man and a woman marry and later one of them has
gender reassignment surgery? Then it appears that you have a gay
couple, either two women or two men, depending on if it is the man or
the
Fascinating. It makes me wonder how gender can be determined for
marriage or House membership. Can people accept a male who looks female
and vice versa? The possibilities the future has in store for us . . .
Marleen
Scott Saylors wrote:
It won't invalidate a marriage. I know a transgender
How would Bahai assumptions be different?
Jeanine H. wrote:
Sounds like a long forum discussion with GLAAD would be in order, tho'
Baha'is still won't be operating from the same set of assumptions...
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Depends upon the meaning of meaning. Living creatures can be more
significant or meaningful than inanimate words. The statement below,
without any context, is so vague it is meaningless. Marleen
Tim Nolan wrote:
Dear Friends.
words have no meaning, people have meanings.
I would
Gilberto Simpson wrote:
What I'm saying is that there are *some* situations where we actually
are presented with that choice.
I agree and much more than people realize, which is why I personally
believe--and I believe the Universal House supports--that you cannot
have genuine unity based on
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Dear Susan,
I think you qualify as a suitable Bahai for personal discussions and
scholarly questions since you are a knowledgeable believer, and as
such, I nominate you to be the Bahai Professor and Dear Abby for all
Bahai scholars and for all Bahais with personal issues, given that the
On page 90 of A. Khursheed's Science and Religion: Towards the
Restoration of an Ancient Harmony (OneWorld, 1987), he quotes
Abdul-Baha in a passage that begins and ends as follows:
"Moses taught that the world . . . used in their campaign against
religion and the Bible."
Does anyone
Some list servers have options for senders or posters NOT to see their
own messages. Could this be the case on this list? Could your
preferences or the settings of the list have been altered? Marleen
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Could your own messages be going into your spam folder?
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We all come from God. And Abdu'l-Baha does attest that we ascend
through the four kingdonms. That certainly suggests to me we had to
go through the animal kingdom.
I think a careful read will reveal that Abdul-Baha seems to be saying
that atoms that make us up
Yes, you are right about generalities. Excessive emphasis on liberty
from the Enlightenment was seen negatively by some Arabs as contributing
to bloodshed and the French Revolution. Let me finish writing this with
footnotes so you can review my sources and interpretation. Thank you
for your
Yes, the idea was toyed with but as the century went on I think there
was increasing ambivalence by some of the liberals and outright
hostility by conservatives to the adoption of secular, foreign ideals
and government. Give me more time to finish this so I can post some
specifics. Marleen
Jeanine H. wrote:
I could certainly be off track here, as I do not claim to be a
historian or philosopher. But, if we disagree with 'Abdu'l-Baha about
a philosophical movement, aren't we just pitting our opinions against
His?
Yes, you raise a good point. I did not mean to simply disagree
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Many of His contemporaries had a great deal of admiration for the
Enlightenment.
Arabs that did were clearly in the minority and seen as extremists.
See Albert Hourani's Arabic Thought in the Liberal Age 1798-1939
(Oxford, 1962) and Ibrahim Abu-Lughod's
Another reason why Abdul-Baha and many Arabs may have rejected
Enlightenment values was the perception that the concepts of liberty
and civil rights went too far and were inconsistent with Islam and
submission to God.
M Chase wrote:
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wrote:
Many
Yes, I erred. The quote I had in mind was from PUP:
Furthermore, every nation is proud of its great men and heroes even
though those great ones may have been atheists or agnostics. Today
France glorifies Napoleon Bonaparte, saying, He was a French military
genius, whereas, in reality, he was
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Guardian asserted that Abdu'l-Baha had supernatural knowledge. He
didn't say He was omniscient, however.
Dear Susan,
Could you please elaborate on some of the ideas you presented? How do
we understand supernatural knowledge as distinct from omniscience? How
Tim, what about when Abdul-Baha's statements to do agree with facts?
marleen
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Sorry. I meant what about when Abdul-Baha's statements DO NOT agree
with facts?
M Chase wrote:
Tim, what about when Abdul-Baha's statements to do agree with facts?
marleen
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Tim Nolan wrote:
I assume you meant to type don't agree with facts.
Yes, thank you.
As I see it, Abdu'l Baha was in a category different from the rest of
us, and different from the House of Justice. He combined humanness
with superhuman knowledge and perfection.
Forgive me if I seem
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You're missing both the point of this article
and misundersanding the very nature of mdoern science which is *always* dynamic, not because it is in its
infancy, but because this is instrinsic to its method.
Generally, true, but with issues considered
David Friedman wrote:
Why is it that we Baha'is say other religionists beliefs are wrong
because they conflict with science, yet if proof for some view of ours
isn't forthcoming we're allowed to say that we expect science in
future to support our beliefs?
Inconsistency, hypocrisy,
Scott Saylors wrote:
Abd'ul Baha said evolution is incomplete and that we will never find a
missing link - so far we haven't.
Not as far as most evolutionary biologists and anthropologists are
concerned, as the article cited by Susan suggests. I wonder if Bahais
will be able to drag
Yes, I believe this is the explanation the Hands gave for the ending of
the Guardianship. Marleen
Hasan Elias wrote:
Can anyone explain what "badaa" means?
Is it that the will of God can change anytime?
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They may not have said this publicly, but multiple Hands, including
Ruhiyyih Khanum, seem to have accepted this explanation, and I believe
some Persian Bahais were aware of this, but I cannot cite any Persian
sources. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable about Persian sources can
comment. Is
Gilberto Simpson wrote:
If you can help me honestly see how certain passages from
authoritative Bahai texts (given below) don't imply that Jews deserved
to be persecuting for killing and rejecting Jesus, I will be
ecstatically happy to apologize to you. Seriously. I have no special
desire to
Is anyone familiar with a web site or other source that offers a
comprehensive and detailed time line of Abdul-Baha's life?
Thank you, Marleen
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When Abdul-Baha visited London and Paris in 1911, he said he spoke with
philosophers and scientists. Is there any information about or has
anyone recorded which philosophers or scientists he met?
17 April 1912, Talk at Hotel Ansonia, Broadway and Seventy-third Street,
New York. Notes by
So in communities that have neighborhood or sector feasts, each attended
by at least one assembly member, we can probably expect those assembly
members to be elected delegates who will in turn re-elect themselves to
the assembly. As it is now in some local communities (like the US NSA)
Scott Saylors wrote:
M Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So in communities that
have neighborhood or sector feasts, each attended
by at least one assembly member, we can probably expect those assembly
members to be elected delegates who will in turn re-elect
I don't know how it worked in Iran. I was thinking in smaller terms,
such as a US city that has 5-6 feasts with at least one assembly member
at each by the mandate of the assembly. Thanks for the additional
information. Marleen
Susan Maneck wrote:
So in communities that have neighborhood
Susan, I hope you are right. That's how Seattle supposedly has set up
its cluster feasts.
Susan Maneck wrote:
I was thinking in smaller terms,
such as a US city that has 5-6 feasts with at least one assembly member
at each by the mandate of the assembly.
Dear Marleen,
I can't see it
Scott Saylors wrote:
The lack of transparency and accountability in some
communities isn't encouraging.
When I vote, I may be ignorant of the
qualities of some individuals on the list, that's not my fault, nor the
individual's fault n or the fault of
It doesn't matter who votes for what; that wasn't my point. Just
letting the community know of the actual actions and decisions of the
assembly and their bases could reveal volumes about the quality of the
members as a whole.
Susan Maneck wrote:
More openness about assembly actions and
There is no politicking involved when you don't know how individuals
voted. Uninformed voting is meaningless; we might as well draw names
out of a hat or throw darts at the membership list. Knowing the
functioning level of an assembly can suggest that perhaps the assembly
would be better
Please see my question below.
From the The Kitab-i-Aqdas:
189. O members of parliaments throughout the world!
Select ye a single language for the use of all on earth,
and adopt ye likewise a common script. God, verily,
maketh plain for you that which shall profit you and
enable you to be
A quick calculation suggests that the magnitude is very consistent with
the speed of light, but the resulting units make no sense at all,
suggesting that it may only be a coincidence.
Diameter of the earth = 7926//2 = 3963 miles radius
Diameter of the moon = 2260/2 = 1130 miles radius
Distance
It was a quick calculation for fun; I am glad he enjoyed it. Obviously,
this doesn't make sense, which is what I showed. By the way, I pointed
out the speed as 300,000 km/sec, which is equivalent to 300 million
meters per second and distance and speed are related by the lunar month
of 27.3
Maybe those of you on this
list know something the academic historians do not:
In Keven's Brown's Abdul-Baha's Response to Darwinism,
Brown
speculates that Abdul-Baha may have been aware of the controversies
surrounding evolution and materialism from articles in al-Muqtataf,
Shumayyil's
Susan Maneck wrote:
. . . The
House of Justice is happy to see from your letter that you respect this
decision and do not want to make your own evaluation of the program a cause
for disunity.
I'd like to see it without the elipses.
I hope when you find the entire letter you will share it
Susan Maneck wrote:
Nor does it seem conducive to the creation of a 'culture of learning.'
Now that you put it that way, it begs the question of what is meant by a
culture of learning, as if it could possibly mean to exclude negative
feedback or evaluations, leaving learning limited to
Would you please summarize the tablet for us?
Max Jasper wrote:
Message
Some two
years after His passing, on 19-December-1923,thisTablet of Abdu'l-Baha is revealed from the Abha
Kingdom through then pen of Shoghi Effendito the believers residing in
Iran, Turkistan,
What was your point in citing this article? Is the author a Bahai?
There are multiple scientific inaccuracies, to say nothing of the
political overtones and lack of references, that make this an untenable
position.
Marleen
Iskandar Hai wrote:
In his writings, Abdul-Baha made references to the savages of Africa and
North America. I seem to remember a letter by the House or another
source that explained the historical context of Abdul-Baha remarks. Can
anyone please help me find the source of the latter? Thank you.
The
Don Calkins wrote:
They immediately go to their doctor and insist on a pill to make them
feel 'normal'.
[Chase] Antidepressants do not work that way; it may be weeks before
the patient notices any beneficial effect.
True but irrelevant..
It is not irrelevant when you consider the
Bahais are entitled to pursue civil litigation for justice and
compensation like anyone else.
Marleen
marylou9 wrote:
Are Bahais allowed to sue in medical malpractice cases?
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Was this question prompted by the ridiculous rant of Tom Cruise?
David Friedman wrote:
I was just wondering what the right attitude towards anti-depressants
should be in light of the passages from the Writings which say that
hardships/suffering are a good thing.
There are two ways of
Don Calkins wrote:
The problem arises when a doctor finds it easier (and more
profitaable?) to prescribe a pill for extended periods rather than
help the patient deal with the problem that caused the depression.
First, physicians can generate higher fees for the time involved with
therapy
Please help me prepare for a presentation by sharing your opinions:
Cloning: What's the big deal? Why not clone? Is cloning morally wrong
and if so why? Is there a difference between duplicating a few genes or
the entire genome? Once genes or the genome have been duplicated, how
far
Noticing possible similarities is not the same thing as making an
argument--there was none. As I read the article, I remembered similar
comments or perceptions made about the Faith at one time or another, and
I wondered if the Faith could ever appear to others along these same lines:
the
Dear Friends,
In preparation for the upcoming ABS conference, does anyone know of any
recent statements by the Universal House regarding cloning, recombinant
DNA, stem cell, reproductive, or other cutting edge medical research
techniques that are not already available in Ocean? Thank you for
Are there a mathematician and a physicist that subscribe to this list?
If you are in academics or a high school teacher, I would like to ask
each of you a few questions. Thank you.
Sincerely, Marleen Chase
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Mark A. Foster wrote:
What about the depleting ozone layer? Isn't that a result of a capitalist structurization, or naming, of the environment?
Are you saying that ozone
depletion is not an empirically measurable phenomenon?
Marleen
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Dear Mark,
I am very sorry to learn of the passing of your Mother. I haven't been
reading my email from Bahai Studies or Bridges for a while. I pray that
God will comfort you and your family in these difficult times and extend
every mercy, bounty, blessing, and grace to your dear Mother in
Dear Dick,
With all due respect to Brent, whose opinions I enjoy reading on this
list, I suggest you ignore his comment about taking the book out to the
trash. The book has historical value, and we are not supposed to
destroy books, even covenant breaking books. The first edition dated
1900
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