In this day and age, and from now on, religion is a choice. Maybe it
wasn't this way when the Islamic armies swept across the middle of
Eurasia. Maybe it wasn't this way in Medieval Europe when there was an
Inquisition. But now, most people can choose to join any religion
they want to, or no
It rings of authenticity and is probably the most miraculous account
of an experience that I have ever been able to believe in, in Baha'i
literature. In addition, I have greatly enjoyed other written works on
your web site.
Peace and love,
Ron Stephens
On Dec 30, 2004, at 9:04 PM, Elaine
On Dec 28, 2004, at 11:14 PM, Sandra Chamberlain wrote:
Dear Ron, you wrote: Since every Manifestation acted consistently
with natural law, and acted as if They were not omniscient and
omnipotent, to believe that they were Omniscient and Omnipotent means
believing that They lived their lives
On Dec 28, 2004, at 11:21 PM, Brent Poirier wrote:
As to the omniscience of the Manifestation, it is referred to in more
than one place. For example, on the subject of Baha'u'llah's
appointment of Abdu'l-Baha as successor and interpreter of the Word,
Abdu'l-Baha writes of the omniscience of
On Dec 29, 2004, at 12:29 AM, Susan Maneck wrote:
My reply: I assume Abraham actually existed. Of course there is no
objective proof for this, but I take the Manifestations' Word for this
You mean, Their omniscience?
I take Their statements literally unless thye violate natural law. The
existence
Brent, you commented earlier , I think, that the main theme you saw in
teh Book of Certitude was sort of how do we recognize a Manifestation
I agree that is a main theme. I think the answer is (partly) by seeing
if what He says is logical, reasonable and also affirms the spiritual
message of
Yes, it seems to me there is usually more than one perspective
available form the Writings on a given topic. I like that. for
instance, the famous passage where Bah'u'llah sees tablet in His mind,
i do nopt thhink He actually 'sees a Tablet but He chose that phrase
and image to try to
On Dec 29, 2004, at 11:42 PM, Susan Maneck wrote:
Yes, it seems to me there is usually more than one perspective
available form the Writings on a given topic. I like that. for
instance, the famous passage where Baha'u'llah sees tablet in His mind,
i do not think He actually 'sees a Tablet but He
Thank you very much for informing me about what languages the Central
Figures understood and knew, in the real world. it is very helpful to
me, because I did not know.
On Dec 28, 2004, at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll attempt to answer some of these (leaving opinion out of my reply
Dr. Susan Maneck wrote, and I respond below:
Dear Ron,
Before we start, let's keep a couple of things clear. As I understand
it the term 'omniscient at will' applies *only* the Manifestation. That
phrase occurs only in a letter written on the Guardian's behalf wherein
he insists that *unlike*
Applying the principle of Occam's razor, I like to use the simplest
explanation possible. If a natural explanation for something exists,
that is preferable to a more unlikely explanation that involves a
breaking of natural laws.
I think all of religion can be explained without the breaking of
Brent,
Thank you for your detailed and thoughtful post. I find it very
interesting and helpful in clarifying my own thinking. I want to think
about it and respond more fully when I have more time, hopefully by
tomorrow. But for now I will make just one short comment.
Brent wrote:
...I may be
Hello Gilberto,
I followed some of your discussions with Susan on another list, and I
always thought that your comments and were very logical and well
thought out.
Ron Stephens
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with unique
certitude by Baha'u'llah or already possessed unique knowledge at the
time of their acceptance, a premise which may not correctly
characterize those blessed martyrs.
Ron Stephens replies:
Yes, that is true. But consider this: Who would have the greatest
honor, a martyr who was endowed
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