Re: Progressive Revelation Wikipedia quote

2013-02-28 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Anyone familiar with the correct chronology for some of the dates quoted? From: Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:06 PM Subject: Progressive Revelation

Re: Humans (Homo genus, Homo sapiens sapiens and other subspecies)

2013-02-27 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahelanthropus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orrorin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardipithecus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus

Paraclete

2013-02-27 Thread Stephen Gray
in the mid eighth century. 3. ^ http://www.scribd.com/doc/217806/-The-Promised-Prophet-of-the-Bible 4. ^ Isa, Encyclopedia of Islam 5. ^ Watt (1991) pp. 33–34 From: Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu

Re: Morality defined differently by different people

2013-02-25 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv The problem with any assertion of ethics or morality will be shown by looking through the articles below. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_in_religion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotelian_ethics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_ethics

Re: Morality defined differently by different people

2013-02-25 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv First group is general info on religious ethics. Second group is about divinely/supernaturally inspired/revealed texts. Third group is about ethical topics. From: Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st

Re: Morality defined differently by different people

2013-02-25 Thread Stephen Gray
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_capital_punishment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_euthanasia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacifism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa From: Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com

Re: Morality defined differently by different people

2013-02-25 Thread Stephen Gray
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_euthanasia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacifism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa From: Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Monday, February 25

Re: Humans (Homo genus, Homo sapiens sapiens and other subspecies)

2013-02-21 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Remember, there was a topic way back on what was and was not a human and whether or not they had souls? From: Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 3:38 PM

Re: Humans (Homo genus, Homo sapiens sapiens and other subspecies)

2013-02-21 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cro-Magnon Forgot to add Homo sapiens palestinus, linked above. From: Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 3:32 PM Subject:

Re: Humans (Homo genus, Homo sapiens sapiens and other subspecies)

2013-02-21 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaic_human_admixture_with_modern_Homo_sapiens A related article with a good chart. From: Gary Selchert ebedeyn...@aol.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013

Re: Nafs Self

2013-02-13 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv That's still doesn't say if there mentions of the seven different kinds of nafs. From: Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:08 AM Subject: Re: Nafs Self

Re: Virtue and Vice

2013-02-13 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Virtue ethics and consequentialism are two different and unrelated schools of normative ethics. Virtue ethicists would promote being virtuous regardless of consequences and deontologists with duty instead of virtue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_of_morality

Re: Nafs Self

2013-02-13 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Are you sure those soul references are Nafs? Ruh can also be translated as soul. Any and all of the Lataif-e-sitta can be translated as soul. Nafs, Qalb, Ruh, Sirri, Khafi, Akhfa, and Qalib can all be translated as soul. According to the Quran, Ruh (Soul) is a

Re: Virtue and Vice

2013-02-13 Thread Stephen Gray
(Honesty) Yo (Honor) Chuuu (Loyalty) Ko (Filial piety) Chi (Wisdom) Tei (Care, especially for the aged/elderly) From: Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:31 PM Subject: Re: Virtue

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-12 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv 2:126 And when Abraham prayed: My Lord! Make this a region of security and bestow upon its people fruits, such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day, He answered: As for him who disbelieveth, I shall leave him in contentment for a while, then I shall

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-11 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv That's still vague. One, it assumes only the Baha'i Faith will be exclusively successful. Two, it assumes all other religions will have failed. Three, it assumes a superiority of the Baha'i Faith over all other religions. Four, it assumes people recognizing it a

Re: Obligatory Prayer

2012-09-13 Thread Stephen Gray
the medium obligatory prayer then they say it three times, once in the morning, once in the afternoon and once in the evening. If they choose the long obligatory prayer they say it once any time of the day. On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies

Re: Short Healing Prayer

2012-09-13 Thread Stephen Gray
. For they think that they will be heard for their many words. 8 “Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him. Don C On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:55 45PM, Stephen Gray wrote: If you wish to heal yourself or others, you should memorize this beautiful

Religious Futurism

2012-09-13 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Religious Projections for the Next 200 Years http://www.wnrf.org/cms/next200.shtml   World Network of Religious Futurists http://www.wnrf.org/cms/index.shtml   Religious Belief in the Year 2100 http://www.wnrf.org/cms/belief2100.shtml   The Future and Religion

Re: Prayer

2012-09-12 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Susan, nearness to God is one of the enumerated topics of prayer.   http://www.bahaiprayers.org/   Prayer topics include Aid and Assistance, America, Children, The Departed, Detachment, Divine Springtime, Evening, Families, Firmness in the Covenant, Forgiveness, The

Obligatory Prayer

2012-09-12 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://www.bahaiprayers.org/obligshort.htm http://www.bahaiprayers.org/obligmedium.htm http://www.bahaiprayers.org/obliglong.htm   Baha'i are free to chooes whichever one the want to pray each day, in one prayer time, three prayer times, or any time.   Compared to

Short Healing Prayer

2012-09-12 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Below is the Short Healing Prayer. I don't know if that's the official name or my personal nicname. There's a Long Healing Prayer as well of course.   http://www.bahaiprayers.org/healing2.htm   Thy name is my healing, O my God, and remembrance of Thee is my remedy.

Aftterlife

2012-09-06 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterlife   Any clarification on the afterlife. I found all talk of it vague and evasive unlike other religions who provide way more clear answers. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as:

Prayer

2012-09-06 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://www.bahaiprayers.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_in_the_Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_Faith   When you pray for something, what effect does it have on it actually coming about?   Under the category general prayers you will find 36 different categories of prayer.

Re: Religion and Sci-Fi

2012-09-05 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Don C, what other series are you familiar with?   Lost? It was a great series you can buy the whole DVD box set on Amazon. It's hit or miss with people with regards to if they like it. It's loaded with religious symbolism. It's complicated by the fact that there's no

Religious Conversion

2012-09-05 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_converts   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_conversion   Why do people convert? Why should people convert?   The Bahai section from Wikipedia is below. Why do and why should non-Bahais become Bahais? Also, former

Re: Manifestations, Scriptures, and Houses of Worship

2012-08-30 Thread Stephen Gray
and suggests many great ideas. But it is defined by Authority. Peace, Gary -Original Message- From: Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:48 pm Subject: Re: Manifestations, Scriptures, and Houses of Worship The Baha'i Studies

Re: Manifestations, Scriptures, and Houses of Worship

2012-08-29 Thread Stephen Gray
@list.jccc.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 1:29 AM Subject: Re: Manifestations, Scriptures, and Houses of Worship The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:10 05AM, Stephen Gray wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv The thread is mostly about the scriptures, but also covers

Re: Manifestations, Scriptures, and Houses of Worship

2012-08-28 Thread Stephen Gray
:16 AM Subject: Re: Manifestations, Scriptures, and Houses of Worship The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:41 39PM, Stephen Gray wrote: Here's the story that this topic is based on below. http://bahaitheway.blogspot.com/2007_08_01_archive.html  First off, I think it bears

Re: soul of Manifestations of God

2012-08-27 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trikaya http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmak%C4%81ya http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambhogak%C4%81ya http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9A%C5%ABnyat%C4%81 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddha-nature http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhahood

Manifestations, Scriptures, and Houses of Worship

2012-08-27 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_House_of_Worship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_text http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religions_and_spiritual_traditions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_founders_of_religious_traditions

Sociology

2012-08-18 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociology   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_functionalism   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_interactionism   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_theory   I'm took some classes in sociology, so I'm familliar with it and these

Intellectual Right

2012-08-16 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_by_country   The definition of liberal party is highly debatable. In the list below, a liberal party is defined as a political party that

Re: Intellectual Right

2012-08-16 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Anyways, why does a Baha'i list have occassional discussions on Marxism and Communism, which is/are anti-religious state atheistic? A possible exception would be if we were talking about the House of Worship in Turkmenistan (which never happens).    

Re: Baha'u'llah mentioned in Bee Gees song

2012-08-14 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv It's my love, but he sings it in a blurred out way the my  part sounds like the bahau part and the love part like the llah part. Singers sing word and phrases in drawn out ways so that they sound like other things or become unintelligible.

God and Monad

2012-07-17 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monad http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monad_%28philosophy%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monad_%28Gnosticism%29 I've been reading texts about Platonism, Pythagoreanism, and Gnosticism as well as some

Religious institutions and gay villages

2012-06-21 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_village http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gay_villages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT_events   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_House_of_Worship   While I recognize that new religions trying to grow in a

Places of Worship

2012-06-21 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv A quote:   At present, Bahá'ís in most local communities have no special place of worship. They meet either in each other's homes or at a Bahá'í centre. It is envisaged, however, that in the future in each town there will be built a house of worship

Re: Religious institutions and gay villages

2012-06-21 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Susan, the tiny island nation in the Pacific you can't remember is Papua New Guinea.   I don't think it's that tiny. It's the eastern half of a big island, the western half is part of Indonesia.   Two nationals and five locals.   In 2012 the Universal House of

Twelver Theology and Tawhid, God's Essence, and God's Attributes.

2012-05-22 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawhid Twelvers theology Main article: Theology of Twelvers Twelvers theology is based on the Hadith which have been narrated from the Islamic prophet Muhammad, the first, fifth, sixth, seventh and eighth Imams and compiled by Shia

Occultation (Pious Fiction)

2012-05-22 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Occultation Scholarly observations Some scholars, including Bernard Lewis[10] also point out, that the idea of an Imam in occultation was not new in 873 but that it was a recurring factor in Shia history. Examples of this include the

Re: Perennial Universalism

2012-05-18 Thread Stephen Gray
. From: Mark A. Foster ow...@markfoster.net To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 8:58 PM Subject: Re: Perennial Universalism The Baha'i Studies ListservOn 4/24/2012 2:35 PM, Stephen Gray wrote: So Mark Foster, how fammiliar are you

Re: Deism, Pandeism, and Pantheism

2012-05-02 Thread Stephen Gray
probemlatic logic issues. From: Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:51 PM Subject: Re: Deism, Pandeism, and Pantheism The Baha'i Studies Listserv There's no real substance to any

Re: Jinn

2012-04-25 Thread Stephen Gray
was scornful and became one of the disbelievers. From: Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Jinn The Baha'i Studies Listserv I just realized something, they may

Re: Deism, Pandeism, and Pantheism

2012-04-25 Thread Stephen Gray
created all that is, ceased to exist as an independent entity. Don C   On Apr 24, 2012, at 9:28 33AM, Stephen Gray wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/Deism   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandeism http

Deism, Pandeism, and Pantheism

2012-04-24 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/Deism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandeism http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/Pandeism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism

Dualism and Non-dualism

2012-04-24 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralism_(philosophy)   I have always been curious with regards to metaphysics, epistemology, cosmology, etc.   On a side

Re: Buddhist Views on Maitreya

2012-04-24 Thread Stephen Gray
Subject: Re: Buddhist Views on Maitreya The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 4/17/2012 11:56 AM, Stephen Gray wrote: these five characters to Maitreya, Medicine King, or the others of their group. Instead he summoned forth the bodhisattvasfrom the great earth of Tranquil Light

Jinn

2012-04-17 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn According to Wikipedia, jinn can be good, evil, or neutral. So why are jinn fladerized into all being all evil all the time always and being a symbol of evil? __ You are subscribed to

Buddhist Views on Maitreya

2012-04-17 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Buddhist views opposing the concept of future Buddha According to the Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra, each person possesses the Buddha nature, which can be revealed in this lifetime. The concept of inherent Buddha nature in each person does not fit well with the concept

Re: Jinn

2012-04-17 Thread Stephen Gray
, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn According to Wikipedia, jinn can be good, evil, or neutral. So why are jinn fladerized into all being all evil all the time always and being a symbol of evil

Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto and Naison Jones's interesting exchange

2010-12-22 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Why did you leave off Judaism from that list? From: Naison Jones naistrada...@gmail.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 2:24:17 AM Subject: Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto

Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto and Naison Jones's interesting exchange

2010-12-22 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv But, secular historians have discredited that view of Eastern religions. They have confirmed that the Dharmapada and the rest of the Pali Canon is the teachings of the Buddha. Various scholars have voiced that some of the contents of the Pali Canon (and its main

Re: respect for prophets was Re: Joseph Emmanuel

2010-12-22 Thread Stephen Gray
so they left and i said come back after new years. One more thing though. A manifestation of God need not prove they are one by showing you a sign. If you need a sign it only reflects badly on yourself. The main thing is investigate.   On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Stephen Gray skg_z

Sufis and Bahais

2010-12-22 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/sufi_message_of_hazrat_inayat%20khan.htm   This is Hazrat Inayat Khan talking about various religions. It has a paragraph where he recounts a conversation he had with Abdul-Baha.   On the Seal of Prophecy:   Muslims have closed

Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto and Naison Jones's interesting exchange

2010-12-22 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Muslims have closed the doors of the mosque by saying that Muhammad was the seal of Rissalat which they interpret as the last of the prophets. They do not seem to realize that it does not mean at all that he was the last prophet to come, it only means that he was

Dual Covenant

2010-12-22 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-covenant_theology Something like this has been proposed by various religions when follower recognize but don't convert to Buddhism, Chritstianity, Islam, etc. http://www.wikinoah.org/index.php?title=Main_Page http://www.chabad.org/

Messianism and Mahdiism

2010-12-22 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_messianism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Messiah_claimants http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_Messianic_prophecy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi

Re: respect for prophets was Re: Joseph Emmanuel

2010-12-22 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Ahmadiyya would qualify agian two out of three: 1.Claims to be the return of Jesus. 2.Produced many writings and prophecies From: Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent

Succession Crisis

2010-12-22 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_crisis This is a good example of religious matters be complicated. Several claimants always arrive and make varying claims. Joseph Smith Jr. had no clear succesor. Claimed directly after death (1844). Sidney Rigdon was the

Re: respect for prophets was Re: Joseph Emmanuel

2010-12-22 Thread Stephen Gray
.   On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv What is a Manifestation? A Druze, Ismaili, etc. would recognize that there are Manifestations, but understand the concept differently than a Bayani or a Bahai. The Ismailis have Aga Khan IV

Shia Islam

2010-12-22 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9f/Tree_shia_-islam_.pdf http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Tree_shia_-islam_.pdfpage=1 This is a nice chart explaining the fracturing of Shia Islam based on whom suceeded whom. Zaidis, Seveners, Twelvers, Druze,

Re: Messianism and Mahdiism

2010-12-22 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_messianism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Messiah_claimants http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_Messianic_prophecy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi

Re: Joseph Emmanuel

2010-12-21 Thread Stephen Gray
as a test to make us more humble in regards to people who follow older religions, because someone may pose the same arguments to us some day.   On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://www.maitreya.org/ Joseph Emmanuel of the Mission

Re: Joseph Emmanuel

2010-12-21 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv The Ismailis use the term Manifestion of God as well as Kalki avatar to Ali and their line of Imamas. From: Gilberto Simpson gilberto.simp...@gmail.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 2:07:13

Re: Joseph Emmanuel

2010-12-21 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv The Prophet of Allah (pbuh) affirmed: The chain of Messengers and Prophets has come to an end. There shall be no Messenger nor Prophet after me. (Ref: Tirmidhi, Kitab-ur-Rouya Babu Zahab-un- Nubuwwa, Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat-Anas bin Malik) The Holy Prophet (pbuh)

Re: Joseph Emmanuel

2010-12-21 Thread Stephen Gray
._Dahesh Also, he they atleast try to show their work by saying which prophesies they fulfill than just completey symbolisizing the whole messiah concept. From: Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 4

Re: respect for prophets was Re: Joseph Emmanuel

2010-12-21 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was one who said that, but there is a sizeable Ahmadiyya community. Ismailis believe in a succession of Imams begining with Ali to the present day Aga Khan IV. Mormons believe they have a succession of prophets-presidents dating back to Joseph

Re: respect for prophets was Re: Joseph Emmanuel

2010-12-21 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv What is a Manifestation? A Druze, Ismaili, etc. would recognize that there are Manifestations, but understand the concept differently than a Bayani or a Bahai. The Ismailis have Aga Khan IV. From: Sen Sonja sen.so...@casema.nl

Ra Ahmed Gohar Shahi

2010-12-21 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riaz_Ahmed_Gohar_Shahi Claims of being the Mehdi, Messiah and Kalki Avatar from his followers Gohar Shahi claimed to have met with Jesus in America.[24] Shahi's supporters claim that his face became prominent on the Moon, Sun, nebula star

Re: Joseph Emmanuel

2010-12-21 Thread Stephen Gray
not allow for Manifestations to appear for another thousand literal years (from the time of Bahaullah). On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv The Ismailis use the term Manifestion of God as well as Kalki avatar to Ali and their line

Re: How will they cope?

2010-12-16 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/AtheismImplicitExplicit3.svg Is your atheism implicit or explicit? If explicit, weak or strong? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_and_explicit_atheism Those will help define

Joseph Emmanuel

2010-12-16 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://www.maitreya.org/ Joseph Emmanuel of the Mission of Maitreya claims to be the Maitreya Buddha, as well as a major prophet of God who purportedly fulfills prophecies from the Old Testament, New Testament, Koran, Baha'i scriptures and eastern scriptures.[18]

Re: How will they cope?

2010-12-15 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv What order did you finish them in? You said you completed 4 first. 4. I'm extensively familiar with book one. It is a little insulting to assume that people don't know how to pray and need to be taught how. The vast majority of people (wether they are

Re: How will they cope?

2010-12-15 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I'm not familiar with Persian culture. What are examples of things that come from Arab, Persian, and Turkish cultures? Those are the languages the Central Figures spoke and wrote in, but elevating the associated cultures makes no logical sense. Persian Baha'i authors

Re: How will they cope?

2010-12-15 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv How often do you pray (other than the Obligatory Prayers, which would obviously be daily)? Which prayers do you pray most often? Which ones are your favorites? Where did you get that two-block radius quote from (obviously not authoritative as paryer knows no

Re: How will they cope?

2010-12-15 Thread Stephen Gray
.    ~ Albert Schweitzer   www.bahai.org On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 13:03, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv How often do you pray (other than the Obligatory Prayers, which would obviously be daily)? Which prayers do you pray most often? Which ones are your

Re: How will they cope?

2010-12-15 Thread Stephen Gray
among you who will be really happy are those who have sought and found how to serve.    ~ Albert Schweitzer   www.bahai.org On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 13:48, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://www.bahaiprayers.org/protection7.htm This is a prayer you

Re: How will they cope?

2010-12-14 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Isn't the fastest growing religion actually Islam? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_to_be_the_fastest-growing_religion   From: Ursus Maximus ursusmaxi...@gmail.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Tue, December

Re: How will they cope?

2010-12-14 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv According to Wikipedia Baha'i pops are: Bahá'ís Largest Bahá'í populations (as of 2005):[118] 1.  India 1,823,631 2.  United States 456,767 3.  Vietnam 376,328 4.  Kenya 368,095 5.  Congo DR 252,159 6.  Philippines

Re: How will they cope?

2010-12-14 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Even if they are exxagerated I still think 13-14% activity rate sounds plausible. From: Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 12:18:49 PM Subject: Re: How will they

Re: How will they cope?

2010-12-14 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I wasn't talking golbal percentage but American percantage. From: Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 12:33:20 PM Subject: Re: How will they cope? The Baha'i Studies

Re: How will they cope?

2010-12-14 Thread Stephen Gray
: Re: How will they cope? The Baha'i Studies Listserv The American percentage would be about 35%. On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I wasn't talking golbal percentage but American percantage

Re: How will they cope?

2010-12-14 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv You assume to be actively religious you need to be part of a community. Also, there are no Baha'i churches anywhere near here. The term churches is inccorect in as much it's the de facto Yellow Pages catogorization for any place of worship that is not a synagouge.

Re: How will they cope?

2010-12-14 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Which churches? Church attendance varies from denom to denom. From: Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 3:13:28 PM Subject: Re: How will they cope? The Baha'i Studies

Re: How will they cope?

2010-12-13 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Are you sure that is an accurate prediction? Inductive reasoning. Present growth rates don't neccessarily predict future ones. From: David Regal david.re...@yahoo.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Sun, December

Re: Revelation of Baha'u'llah for Eart only

2010-12-09 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Wikiing. From: Gilberto Simpson gilberto.simp...@gmail.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 6:49:38 PM Subject: Re: Revelation of Baha'u'llah for Eart only The Baha'i Studies Listserv Stephen, I

Re: Keynes

2010-12-08 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Rate the schools of thought aka economic theories within Capitalism from best to worst. Austrian School/Vienna School/Psychological School Chicago School Instutional Economics/New Instutional Economics Monetarism Classical Economics/Neoclassical Economics Supply Side

Re: Keynes

2010-12-08 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Not only mercantilist want to return to the gold standard. There are non-mercnatilist gold standard supporters. Fiat currency is a bad idea baceause it baked on faith. The definition of voodoo economics. From: Susan Maneck

Revelation of Baha'u'llah for Eart only

2010-12-08 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv 1594. Revelation of Bahá'u'lláh Primarily for This Planet ...On page 231 of the same book (Gleanings): No particular force is meant. It is symbolic of the regenerative power with which a righteous act is endowed. As to your question whether the power of Bahá'u'lláh

Re: Revelation of Baha'u'llah for Eart only

2010-12-08 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Also, worth note is Scientology considers itself a religion of the Milky Way Galaxy and galactic unity is one of its goals. From: Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010

Re: Keynes

2010-12-08 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_universe The Dune universe covers books, novels, comics, short stories, films, television series, traditional games, role playing games, video games, amd audio sound tracks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dune_religions

Re: Revelation of Baha'u'llah for Eart only

2010-12-08 Thread Stephen Gray
-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 2:47:53 PM Subject: Re: Revelation of Baha'u'llah for Eart only The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv What about space colonization? Mars colonization? Sentient

Re: Revelation of Baha'u'llah for Eart only

2010-12-08 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv That reminds me of progressive hypocrisy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._L._Mencken In a time when Wilson era progressivism favor segregation, Jim Crow laws, forced sterilization, etc. H. L. Mencken was supporting black author, racial euqality, and denouncing

Re: Revelation of Baha'u'llah for Eart only

2010-12-08 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Baha'i have an extreme devotion to unity which might prevent Space/Martian seccession. From: Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 3:17:42 PM Subject: Re: Revelation of

Re: Revelation of Baha'u'llah for Eart only

2010-12-08 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Progressives ie big state liberals tend to portray themselves as the open minded ideology. Classical liberals were against those things progressives supported that people now view as bad. The word porgressive being good is due to a white washed view of history. H.

Re: Revelation of Baha'u'llah for Eart only

2010-12-08 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein Liberarians like both Stranger In A Strange Land and The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moon_Is_a_Harsh_Mistress

Re: Revelation of Baha'u'llah for Eart only

2010-12-08 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Sorry, error: Stranger In A Strange Land was liked by hippies, not Libertarians. From: Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 4:13:28 PM Subject: Re: Revelation

Keynes

2010-12-07 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://www.axiospress.com/books/Where%20Keynes%20Went%20Wrong/Excerpts.html See where Keynesianism failed, fails, will fail, why, and much much more. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as:

Re: Mahatma Gandhi and the Baha'is: Striving towards a Nonviolent Civilization by M. V. Gandhimohan

2010-12-07 Thread Stephen Gray
of knowing that the Bab would come in 1844?   On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:03 AM, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Also, interesting to note the beliefs of avatars and buddhahood. The author thinks that Hindus and Buddhists actively reject the avatarship

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