RE: My fears are for Him Who will be sent down unto you after Me

Fascinating thread -speculating on the next Manifestation "...ere the expiration of a full thousand years, ..." Assuming the human race advances to the consensus thatEarth is "but one country and mankind it's citizens"; and indeed the Province of Almighty God;it does not seem

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years?

the Covenant was also crystal clear about a continuing line of Guardians, so I don't think that really addresses Hasan's question about badaa. The Will and Testament is clear about how future Guardians were to be chosen, but that document does not guarantee that there will always be a

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years?

I am curious about the purpose of discussing this topic, given that none of us will be around in 900 years to see what happens.If in a discussion, someone raises the possibility that the House of Justice might lose its infallibility after the thousand years have passed, how does that

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years?

Tim Nolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi:I am curious about the purpose of discussing this topic, given that none of us will be around in 900 years to see what happens. Hi Tim,To talk about Four and Seven Valleys, doesnt actually means that any of us could reach the last valleys? (At

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years?

Sunday, January 29, 2006, 11 Sultán 162 BE In 1997 a friend of mine wrote to the House of Justice about the recognition (or not) of the next Manifestation. He received this reply. David MESSAGE: The Universal House of Justice has received your email message of 24 May 1997 inquiring

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or peharps 1511 or 2001. ;-}///Hey Susan, good point, most of Shaykhs and Azalis (about Ghiyath 1511) confine the interpret! ation of their respective messianic prophecies into intrinsic numerological tricks to reject the Bb and Bahullh respectively. A

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I am curious about the purpose of discussing this topic, given that none of us will be around in 900 years to see what happens. Dear Tim, Well, it didn't start with speculation about what would happen in a thousand years. It started with Hasan's questions as to whether, given the doctrine

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years?

Hey David, this letter is splendid, thanks for quoting it here; you saved much much time quoting it!!!I hope many of us follow this noble action, quoting letters we receive from the House with absolute detachment.As to the letter,

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years?

Dear Susan,Bah'u'llh forbids us to interpret the holy verse of the Aqdas about 1000 or more years the next Coming.I wonder if this BADAH (the possibility of a Prophet before 1000 years) is broking that command.[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi: I am curious about the purpose of

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years?

A scholar said me that in Tablets not yet translated, Bahá'u'lláh links Mustaghath and its number 2001 with the numbers 9 and 19. I know great scholar Stephen Lambden (http://www.hurqalya.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/BAHA'-ALLAH/L- Khalil%20Shirazi.htm) explains about this issue, saying this could

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years?

Bahá'u'lláh forbids us to interpret the holy verse of the Aqdas about 1000 or more years the next Coming. I wonder if this BADAH (the possibility of a Prophet before 1000 years) is broking that command. Dear Hasan, Except what you are actually asking is not if the verse in question

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

Maybe I'm exaggerated about the importance of genetic lines, but I would like to follow the Muhammad, the Bb and Bah'u'llh genetic lines. From Adan to Shoghi Effendi, there is a continuous blood line, that is why I ask about the importance of "spiritual genes".[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi:

to David B.

David, I think I never saw this letter, could you send it to bahai-library.com? Please contact the admin Jonah Winters.For my part I will save it immediately on my HDD.David Bowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi:Sunday, January 29, 2006, 11 Sultn 162 BEIn 1997 a friend of mine wrote

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

From Adan to Shoghi Effendi, there is a continuous blood line, that is why I ask about the importance of spiritual genes. Dear Hasan, It is not a blood line that can really be traced historically. Give a few hundred years and everyone is related to everyone else anyhow. warmest, Susan

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

Susan, do you think next Prophet will be a descendent of Abraham through Aghsán or Afnán lines?If the answer is ‘yes’, then how can we sure He/She is? Historically, Siyyid Kazim said the Qaim (the Báb) was of pure lineage, people can easy recognize it because of ‘siyyid’s denomination.If

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years?

Dear Susan, do you know any text on whichtheCentral Figures or the Guardian mention the word badaa/badah? I would like to see the context/meaning of this word. [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi: Bah'u'llh forbids us to interpret the holy verse of the Aqdas about 1000 or more years the next

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

Possibly from past lines. I don't think you would like, but we can do this for Afnán and Aghsán. Dear Hasan, I expect in a few hundred years everyone will have some Afnan blood in their veins. As for those who descend from Covenant breakers, they are more likely to want to hide their

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

Susan, do you think next Prophet will be a descendent of Abraham through Aghsán or Afnán lines? If the answer is ?yes?, then how can we sure He/She is? Dear Hasan, As a historian I can't even be sure that Abraham ever existed. But if He did then I expect everyone will be a

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years?

I think that this is one of the instances of bada'a in the Writings. Here is is translated as creation: . . . the Beauty of the Unseen hath shone forth above the horizon of creation Prayers and Meditations p. 311. Khazeh Fananapazir once said that bada'a is from the same root as Badi’. I

Re: to David B.

Sunday, January 29, 2006, 11 Sultn 162 BE Hasan, I would have to get the permission of the recipient first. David David, I think I never saw this letter, could you send it to bahai-library.com? Please contact the admin Jonah Winters.?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years?

10. QUESTION: Shaving the head hath been forbidden in the Kitáb-i-Aqdas but enjoined in the Suriy-i-Hajj. ANSWER: All are charged with obedience to the Kitáb-i-Aqdas; whatsoever is revealed therein is the Law of God amid His servants. The injunction on pilgrims to the sacred House to shave the

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years?

Khazeh Fananapazir once said that bada'a is from the same root as Badi’. Dear Brent, My recollection is that he said they had a different root. Unfortunately, we can't access the archives any more to check. Khazeh jan, are you out there? warmest, Susan The information contained

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years?

My understanding is that this badAA concept/doctrine is a Shi`ii thing. I don't know if Sunni Muslims have a particular emphasis on it. For Shi`ah Muslims badAA is when God chnages His mind. The successor the the Shi`ah 6th Imam (Imam J`afar the Truthful) was supposed to be his son Ismael

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? Guardians' line

Yes, I think the cut of Guardians line is about badaa, maybe because unworthiness of humans, and this unworthiness because we dont reach the high standard. If a hypothetically future living Guardian could easily recognize next Prophet, it will be ate bread (pan comido), humanity, thus wont

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

I'm not sure.[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi: Possibly from past lines. I don't think you would like, but we can do this for Afnn and Aghsn. Dear Hasan, I expect in a few hundred years everyone will have some Afnan blood in their veins. As for those who descend from Covenant breakers, they are

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi: As a historian I can't even be sure that Abraham ever existed. But if He did then I expect everyone will be a descendent from Abraham by the time the next Manifestation arrives. That is just the way demographics work. /For you a historian is the

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

So who do we dig up to get the DNA baseline? The Bab, since we have no direct descendants left, for sure - we need both his "Y" Chromosome DNA and his matrilineal mitochondrial material. Then we'll need the same for the line of Baha`u'llah - so we'll need to disinter either Bahas`u'llah or Abdu'l

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

too extreme no? you must be kidding,I thougtht there was another way like follow genealogical family tree but never desecrate holy tombs!...Scott Saylors [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi:So who do we dig up to get the DNA baseline? The Bab, since we have no direct descendants left, for sure

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

Family trees are proof of nothing, really. They are at best a "contention". No, desecrating a tomb is not an answer, and getting actually genetic proof of anything is not going to be a possibility. The choice will have to be what it has always been, a spiritual decision, reached by taking free

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

You still joke? If family trees are nothing for you, then the hereditary principle (including our beloved Guardian in it) should be nothing but NOTHING for you until you check it in a laboratory! The same for the Imanate until you be sure or desecrate Imams holy tombs. The glorious lineage

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

I am not trying to upset you. I am not joking.Think of it this way: In the future someone appears CLAIMING to be the next Manifestation and produces a family tree showing he is descended from Baha`u'llah. Why can that family tree NOT be falsified? So, in that instance, it would prove nothing by

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

At 11:52 AM -0600 1/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Adan to Shoghi Effendi, there is a continuous blood line, that is why I ask about the importance of spiritual genes. Dear Hasan, It is not a blood line that can really be traced historically. Give a few hundred years and everyone is

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

On 1/29/06, Hasan Elias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, do you think next Prophet will be a descendent of Abraham through Aghsán or Afnán lines? If the answer is 'yes', then how can we sure He/She is? Historically, Siyyid Kazim said the Qaim (the Báb) was of pure lineage, people can easy

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

Gilberto, Did I miss your post apologizing to me, or did I not make it clear that you are not welcome here without one? Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years?

He used to say that in Baha'i theology, badAA simply means that a every 1000 years or so, a new manifestation of God comes and changes/abrogates some Divine laws of the preceding Manifestaion of God. To me, this has always made a lot of sense. BadAA is nothing but Progressive Revelation.

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years?

Regardless of how you spell it, badaa or bada, the list vowel is a long"A" as in "fAther". You can trasliterate it badA or badAA, or badaa, orbada, or whatever. The second letter is a short "a" as in "bad". But I should have deferred to our very erudite Khazeh ... Iskandar Dear

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

On 1/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilberto, Did I miss your post apologizing to me, or did I not make it clear that you are not welcome here without one? I showed you evidence for my claims about your beliefs which was also another option which you offered. But in