Martin Czygan recently added JSON support to pymarc [1]. Before this
gets rolled into a release I was wondering if it might make sense to
bring the implementation in line with Ross Singer's proposed JSON
serialization for MARC [2]. After quickly looking around it seems to
be what got implemented
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Matthew Phillips
mphill...@law.harvard.edu wrote:
I'm the guy that did the hacking (with help from my coworkers, Jeff and
David) to get Hacker News up and running. If you have technical questions
about the site, shoot them my way.
Nice work. It's great to
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On
Behalf Of Michael B. Klein
snip
In any case, I'm interested to see how effective this current call
for
support is.
Me too!
Could someone with access to the voting data perhaps anonymously pull out how
many voters have given
I was actually going to suggest just this, Kåre! Another way to handle
it, or perhaps an additional way, would be give a user's votes a certain
amount of weight proportionate to the number of sessions they voted on.
So if they evaluated all of them and voted, 100% of their vote gets
counted. If
I have mixed feelings on the idea of requiring a minimum weight in the
voting process. Vote pandering is definitely a real issue, but I think
imposing strictures on the voting process goes a little bit against
something fundamental about Code4Lib's anarcho-democratic underpinnings. I
think one of
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:13 AM, Seth Robbins robbins...@gmail.com wrote:
Which brings me to my original reason for posting: Is there, at present, a
publicly available subject guide for librarian coders that anyone knows of?
and would anyone be interested in collaborating on such a guide even if
I disagree with this suggestion. Personally I vote for only those I find
interesting and useful to me, but I don't put an response for every talk
listed. I only respond on those I'm interested. Everyone else gets 0 points. I
would expect that others do this, too. Katherine's suggestion also
Deleting votes is a risky business, and disqualifying the speaker is
somewhat harsh. What would be the criteria for votes eliminated, if we
can't factor the number of sessions they vote for into the process?
Wouldn't giving encouragement to vote on all sessions--even if your vote
is 0--not put a
As unwilling commissioner of elections, I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I say,
to hear of improprieties with the voting process.
That said, I'm not shocked (and we've seen it before).
I am absolutely opposed to:
1) Setting weights on voting. 0 is just as valid a vote as 3.
2) Publicly shaming the
On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:34 AM, Richard, Joel M richar...@si.edu wrote:
In the end, the conference organizers can invite whoever they want to speak.
The voting ends up being a courtesy to the rest of us.
--Joel
Joel Richard
Lead Web Developer, Web Services Department
Smithsonian
Ed, I think this would be great. Obviously, there's zero
standardization around MARC/JSON (Andrew Houghton has come the
closest by writing up the most RFC-y proposal:
http://www.oclc.org/developer/content/marc-json-draft-2010-03-11).
I generally fall more in the camp of working code wins,
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 08:47, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
One thing I would be open to is to put a disclaimer splash page before
any ballot (only to be seen the first time a person votes) briefly
explaining how the ballot works and to mention that ballot stuffing is
unethical,
FWIW, I wrote a proof of concept for this when there was discussion
about it on perl4lib:
http://search.cpan.org/dist/MARC-Utils-MARC2MARC_in_JSON/
It also includes code for iterating over a multi-record file based on
my ideas here:
One thing I would be open to is to put a disclaimer splash page before
any ballot (only to be seen the first time a person votes) briefly
explaining how the ballot works and to mention that ballot stuffing is
unethical, undemocratic and tears at the fabric that is Code4Lib or
some such. I
I've worked to deprecate marc-hash (what tends to be referred to as Bill
Dueber's JSON format) in favor of Ross's marc-in-json. To the best of my
knowledge, there is marc-in-json support for ruby (current ruby-marc), PHP
(current File_MARC), marc4j (currently in trunk, soon to be released, I
One thing I would be open to is to put a disclaimer splash page before
any ballot (only to be seen the first time a person votes) briefly
explaining how the ballot works and to mention that ballot stuffing is
unethical, undemocratic and tears at the fabric that is Code4Lib or
some such. I
On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:47 AM, Ross Singer wrote:
I am absolutely opposed to:
1) Setting weights on voting. 0 is just as valid a vote as 3.
2) Publicly shaming the offenders in Code4Lib. If you run across
impropriety in a forum, make a friendly, yet firm, reminder that
ballot stuffing is
I too agree that the two things we should do are: present a clear
statement on how session selection works; and craft a statement on
ethics that will be so artful as to actually discourage virtual ballot
box stuffing and not just put evil ideas in folks; heads.
On my part, I have had my dogs sign
-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael
J. Giarlo
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:55 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: [CODE4LIB] Software Developer position @ Penn State
Come hack on Ruby on Rails, jQuery, Hydra,
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Richard, Joel M richar...@si.edu wrote:
I feel this whole situation has tainted things somewhat. :(
Let's not blow things out of proportion. The aforementioned
wrong-doing actually seems pretty innocent (there is backstory in the
IRC channel, I'm not going to
On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:47 AM, Ross Singer wrote:
As unwilling commissioner of elections, I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I say,
to hear of improprieties with the voting process.
It could be worse ... I'm an unwilling elected official. (and the re-election
for my third term is next month ... anyone want
Also, I should note, that the alleged pandering has not helped them
much, if at all, so far.
-Ross.
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Richard, Joel M richar...@si.edu wrote:
I feel this whole situation has tainted things
On Dec 1, 2011, at 10:29 AM, Ross Singer wrote:
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Richard, Joel M richar...@si.edu wrote:
I feel this whole situation has tainted things somewhat. :(
Let's not blow things out of proportion. The aforementioned
wrong-doing actually seems pretty innocent
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Michael J. Giarlo
leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote:
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 08:47, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
One thing I would be open to is to put a disclaimer splash page before
any ballot (only to be seen the first time a person votes) briefly
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:35, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
Also, I should note, that the alleged pandering has not helped them
much, if at all, so far.
And, also also, this happens just about every year with just about
every vote; if Code4Lib is tainted, it happened years ago and
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:59 AM, Tom Keays tomke...@gmail.com wrote:
One thing I would be open to is to put a disclaimer splash page before
any ballot (only to be seen the first time a person votes) briefly
explaining how the ballot works and to mention that ballot stuffing is
unethical,
This is true, and something I didn't even think of. Ballot stuffers don't
seem to be able to have the impact of a good proposal. If they did, some
pretty strange schedules would probably have emerged by now. :)
On 12/1/11 10:35 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
Also, I should note,
I will speak to this one time and then I am done.
My attempts at advertising the vote were to make more people aware of it
and to get more votes in general. That is the democratic way. In fact
there have been comments added to these posts on our OLE blog from
code4lib members. During my time in
Ross:
+1 to the disclaimer splash page. That seems to be the best way to maintain our
faith in humanity to do the right thing.
Dan
Yes, use marc-in-json. We should add read support as well while we're at it.
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote:
Martin Czygan recently added JSON support to pymarc [1]. Before this
gets rolled into a release I was wondering if it might make sense to
bring the
Robert, you raise an extremely valid point. Last year we had 129
unique voters for the proposals, roughly unchanged from Asheville
(119). Both cases FAR fewer than the number of delegates (and more
importantly, the number of people that wanted to be delegates).
Now, any citizen of a
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Bill Dueber b...@dueber.com wrote:
I, at least, already use marc-in-json in production (It's a great way to
store MARC in solr). It would be great if folks would have the confidence
to use it, at least as a single-record format. I think for wider adoption
we'll
I would also mention that we generally expect people voting to either
plan to at least potentially attend the conference, or have a prior
participation/affiliation/interest in the Code4Lib Community. We're not
expecting random people to be voting just for the hell of it, or to help
our a
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:19 AM, Andreas Orphanides
andreas_orphani...@ncsu.edu wrote:
I think imposing strictures on the voting process goes a little bit against
something fundamental about Code4Lib's anarcho-democratic underpinnings.
Agreed. But as the size of the community increases, you
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Gabriel Farrell gsf...@gmail.com
wrote: I suspect newline-delimited will win this race.
Yes. Everyone please cast a vote for newline-delimited JSON.
Is there any consensus on the appropriate mime type for ndj?
Keith
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
Last year we had 129
unique voters for the proposals, roughly unchanged from Asheville
(119). Both cases FAR fewer than the number of delegates (and more
importantly, the number of people that wanted to be delegates).
As I was struggling with the syntax trying to figure out how to use
javascript to load a .txt file, process it and then spit out some html on a
web page, I suddenly found myself asking why I was trying to do it with
javascript rather than PHP.
Is there a right/wrong or better/worse approach for
+1 to marc-in-json
+1 to newline-delimited records
+1 to read support
+1 to edsu, rsinger, BillDueber, gmcharlt, and the other module maintainers
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Keith Jenkins k...@cornell.edu wrote:
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Gabriel Farrell gsf...@gmail.com
wrote: I
Damn auto-complete :-) Oh well, I guess everyone knows how inept I am now!
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote:
Excellent! Thanks for working with the situation :-)
//Ed
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Jason Ronallo jrona...@gmail.com wrote:
Ed,
I'd like to still
Excellent! Thanks for working with the situation :-)
//Ed
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Jason Ronallo jrona...@gmail.com wrote:
Ed,
I'd like to still fit the article into the next issue. I agree that
the cultural heritage community needs more exposure to these new web
standards. With the
Well, you need to use javascript if you want it to run in a browser. So
that's one reason to pick it, and the main reason people pick it for
it's most popular uses.
It will be very difficult to get javascript running in a browser to do
what you just said though. Not sure if you were running
My general approach is server-side first. Unless it's wildly easier to
accomplish something client-side, then I think it makes sense to go for the
consistency of server-side processing.
So taking a text file, doing some processing, and spitting out what should
behave for the user as if it's a
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Nate Hill nathanielh...@gmail.com wrote:
As I was struggling with the syntax trying to figure out how to use
javascript to load a .txt file, process it and then spit out some html on a
web page, I suddenly found myself asking why I was trying to do it with
I should have provided a bit more information here.
Here's a rough in-progress view of what I'm up to.
http://www.natehill.net/loadsketch/donerightclasses.html
I was using processing.js to read a file and then visualize some of the
data... you can see the circles are being generated from the
The Code4Lib Conference Planning Group is calling for
proposals to host the 2013 Code4Lib Conference. Information on the
kind of venue we seek and the delineation of responsibilities between
the host organization and the Planning Group can be found at the
conference hosting web page [1] and on
===
DC-2012 Call for Participation
===
International Conference on Dublin Core and Metadata Applications:
Metadata for Meeting Global Challenges
3-7 September 2012, Kuching, Sarawak, Malaysia
Conference Website:
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Nate Hill nathanielh...@gmail.com wrote:
I should have provided a bit more information here.
Here's a rough in-progress view of what I'm up to.
http://www.natehill.net/loadsketch/donerightclasses.html
I was using processing.js to read a file and then
I was a strong proponent of NDJ at one point, but I've grown less strident
and more weary since then.
Brad Baxter has a good overview of some options[1]. I'm assuming it's a
given we'd all prefer to work with valid JSON files if the pain-point can
be brought down far enough.
A couple years have
Responding to the thread and not this specific email...
This conversation has an unfortunate subtext of us v. them. It is
the case that c4l is a small-ish group that has a particular
personality, and folks really care about that. And the c4l conference
(which I only attended once) has a
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Michael B. Klein mbkl...@gmail.com wrote:
+1 to marc-in-json
+1 to newline-delimited records
+1 to read support
+1 to edsu, rsinger, BillDueber, gmcharlt, and the other module maintainers
All this incrementing is making me want to work on node-marc some more.
Other Nate,
this is *exactly* the advice I needed.
indeed, i want to interact with the circles.
Much thanks!
N
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Nate Vack njv...@wisc.edu wrote:
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Nate Hill nathanielh...@gmail.com
wrote:
I should have provided a bit more
On Dec 1, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Nate Hill wrote:
As I was struggling with the syntax trying to figure out how to use
javascript to load a .txt file, process it and then spit out some html on a
web page, I suddenly found myself asking why I was trying to do it with
javascript rather than PHP.
Eh, I'm still intuitively opposed to pull parsing. Okay, so there are
some useful libraries these days if you are using the right
language. If you're using ruby and don't want to use native C code?
Just as an example. Seems like we want to arrive at something easy
enough to interpret
On 2 December 2011 09:33, Munson, Doris dmun...@ewu.edu wrote:
As a relative newcomer to this list, I second the idea that any offenders be
contacted off list with an explanation of any unwritten rules they
unknowingly violate. I suggest this becomes one of c4l's unwritten rules.
I totally
Equinox Software is offering 2 scholarships to the code4lib conference
in February.
The scholarships will reimburse travel and accommodation expenses up to
$750.00 USD for a full-time employee from public libraries using either
Evergreen or Koha to attend the Code4Lib Conference in Seattle,
I'm still not even sure why people think the blog post violated any
unwritten rules or expectations. I agree that people kind of
unreasonably raked the author over the coals here.
I think _maybe_ under some interpretations it's borderline (some of
those interpretations are those of the
If it is that important, it should be written down!
-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Chris
Cormack
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:36 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Unwritten Rules, formerly Pandering
With the way code4lib works, you realize you just committed yourself
to writing them down, right? :)
-Mike
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 15:51, Wilfred Drew dr...@tc3.edu wrote:
If it is that important, it should be written down!
-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries
Can't. The first rule of unwritten rules is ...
Genny
-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Wilfred
Drew
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 12:51 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Unwritten Rules, formerly
Well, what is it? What's the first rule? Can't take the suspense...! GAH!
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Genny Engel gen...@sonoma.lib.ca.us wrote:
Can't. The first rule of unwritten rules is ...
Genny
-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries
So this was what pandering a vote meant all along? And I guess you are
supposed to know this to count as a c4l community member? Unwritten rules
indeed...
~Bohyun
-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Rochkind
Sent:
I feel this whole situation has tainted things somewhat. :(
This incident appears to have been blown out of proportion.
So to lighten the mood a bit, I offer this doggerel inspired by the above
comment and with apologies to Ed Cobb, et al.:
Tainted Votes
Sometimes I feel I've got to
;-)
-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Doran,
Michael D
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:40 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Pandering for votes for code4lib sessions (humor)
I feel this whole situation
It is unwritten rules that lead people to feel excluded from a group. How can
the C4L group make other feel part of the group if the important rules are
unwritten? That is what makes the group appear elitist to outsiders or newbies.
Bill Drew
Sort of a newbie but maybe not
-Original
Great... now this song is stuck in my head. ;-)
Nicely done, though...
Kevin
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Doran, Michael D do...@uta.edu wrote:
I feel this whole situation has tainted things somewhat. :(
This incident appears to have been blown out of proportion.
So to lighten the mood
I think I like this song, but I won't know for sure until Roy applies
the Seal of Approval.
Maccabee
On 12/1/2011 3:39 PM, Doran, Michael D wrote:
I feel this whole situation has tainted things somewhat. :(
This incident appears to have been blown out of proportion.
So to lighten the mood a
While I understand your frustration, I have come around to accepting
the system we have. Many of the folks who attend every year hold the
conference as one of their key annual events, and plan to register the
instant that tickets become available. I know that it sells out fast,
but the folks who
I disagree that the voting procedure is flawed. I voted 12 times, which seems
downright generous.
Dan
-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Kevin
S. Clarke
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:00 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
So applied.
Roy
On Dec 1, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Maccabee Levine levi...@uwosh.edu wrote:
I think I like this song, but I won't know for sure until Roy applies the
Seal of Approval.
Maccabee
On 12/1/2011 3:39 PM, Doran, Michael D wrote:
I feel this whole situation has tainted things
Hi,
To add one clarification, since Equinox is not holding any registration
slots for the conference, the free registration to Code4Lib will be
done by reimbursing the awardees $150 each for the registration fee.
This reimbursement is in _addition_ to the $750 for travel and
accommodations.
I just wanted to let people know that I will be updating the
Hosting a Code4Lib sites with this year's information and
numbers (for hotel blocks etc) as well as other information that
would have been helpful. This will NOT happen until closer or
after the actual conference, mostly because the
+1
-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ross
Singer
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:47 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Pandering for votes for code4lib sessions
As unwilling commissioner of elections, I'm
LAC Group is seeking a Marketing Communications Coordinator, on behalf of our
client, a technology company that has been on FORTUNE magazine's list of 100
Best Companies to Work For in America for over a decade. We are looking for
someone who can coordinate global content updates for the
I think that it's not out of bounds to ask people for c4l votes unless you're
offering tangible rewards in exchange for said votes. Tangible rewards as
used here shall in no circumstance be construed to apply to any offers of beer
or its nonalcoholic equivalent. Non-alcoholic equivalent as used
While I want to stress my position that there is nothing wrong with
advertising your proposal (including the source of this now-too-long
thread), it *would be* out of line to ask everybody in your organization to
vote for your proposal (outside of the exceptional workplace -- such as
Gluejar or
It's also worth noting that the voters (so far) have done a super job. If your
talk is not making the cut, don't take it as a reflection or judgment on you or
your work. It just means that voters want to save you for next year. And if
your talk IS making the cut, it's probably because voters
I think the point of the hubbub today is trying to articulate the rule that
should be written.
Nobody is being excluded: we make things up as they go along and anybody is
welcome to throw in their opinion.
That said, there's over 5 years of this process already in place. Very
little is written,
I think this calls for an unwritten rule engine.
On Dec 1, 2011 10:22 PM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the point of the hubbub today is trying to articulate the rule that
should be written.
Nobody is being excluded: we make things up as they go along and anybody is
IT'S INSANE, THIS VOTE'S TAINT.
-Mike
P.S. Hat tip to Bob David.
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 22:25, Simon Spero s...@unc.edu wrote:
I think this calls for an unwritten rule engine.
On Dec 1, 2011 10:22 PM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the point of the hubbub today is
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