Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-11 Thread W.Kenworthy
Is there an 'official' designation of the target market for the GTA03? i.e., freerunner is geeks/early adopters BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

SIM cards for Freerunner (was Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price)

2008-06-11 Thread ian douglas
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: when I went to get a sim card to use in my moko, I was unable to find one without getting a subsidized phone to go with it. TMobile did this for me in about 15 minutes at one of their stores, and I didn't even have my Neo with me at the time. I simply told them I had an

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Sander Hoentjen
On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 18:08 -0700, ian douglas wrote: Robert Taylor wrote: If you want to compare the total cost, compare the total cost of buying the new iphone UNLOCKED at retail cost (you can't) plus the data package and THEN we can talk. But the consumer isn't asked to pay the

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Robert Taylor
ian douglas wrote: Robert Taylor wrote: I'm not dropping this. You still have it wrong. Hi Robert, I'm not trying to win the overall argument, I just want you to acknowledge that my position is as valid as your own, as I do for your position in point #2 below. Ian, I acknowledge

Our Identity (was: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price)

2008-06-11 Thread ian douglas
Robert Taylor wrote: if we can't make the device stand out ... it is a loosing strategy. Yup, you've hit the nail on the head ... anyone comparing apples to apples in a side-by-side feature list is more likely to choose the iPhone. It looks slick, it's a nice form factor, and has features the

Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?

2008-06-11 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 00:17, Robert Taylor wrote: Andy Powell wrote: Do you live on planet earth or some magical fairy land where you snap your fingers and you get everything instantly? Mmm... I'm trying to work out if you just being an arse or you have a question in there. I'd like

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:21:25 +0800 W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Is there an 'official' designation of the target market for the GTA03? i.e., freerunner is geeks/early adopters don't know. there is only right now what the state of gta03 currently is in terms of what the hardware

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 04:47, rakshat hooja wrote: I don't know where my NDA stands on this. (I dont have the signed copy back yet and I guess i wont be posting any more on this once I get it:-) I discussed with a carrier in India and they were as the first offer willing to offer

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-11 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 22:19, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On 6/10/08, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] the two smart phones are aprox equal on -- wi-fi But with limited usability on iPhone -- accelerometer But with limited usability on iPhone -- bluetooth

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread ian douglas
Sander Hoentjen wrote: compare the price difference for a 24month contract with or without an iPhone (16GB) (Yes this is not the new one, but i suspect it will not differ too much). Price for 24 mo with iPhone: 719,- eur with HTC Touch Diamond (just for comparison): 541,- without phone:

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-11 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No, I haven't. Could you post a screenshot of how it looks? Maybe if I see it I can be convinced, I'm at least that open minded. can't as i did it years ago on my ipaq. but it's the same font as here:

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price - Things clear - what market

2008-06-11 Thread Kalle Happonen
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:16:40 + Jorge . [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Robert Taylor wrote: On the new Iphones, you HAVETO get a 2 year contract. If you decide to quit you will pay a fee that will total up greater than the $600 the phone is

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-11 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/11 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: if the vocal group here are to be accounted for going to these screens would be utterly bad and we should accept nothing less than vga so wvga (800x480) is the only way up into the future. So you argue to put a lesser screen on

Sillyness: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Heikki Sørum
This discussion is silly. Seriously, it's silly. It's silly on so many levels I probably can't sum up all the point's that make it silly. Now that I got your attention; I apologize, I don't think you guys or anyone else are silly. ok? But bear with me as I try to explain why I think this is a

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-11 Thread cedric cellier
-[ Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 06:02:34PM +0200, arne anka ] So, how does the Freerunner UI stand in front of the iPhone's ? What about the MobileMe initiative ? Do we have anything like that ? I checked both openmoko and maemo, and Im more and more afraid of how far we are (we = the FOSS

Re: Font type and size was (QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03)

2008-06-11 Thread David Pottage
On Wed, June 11, 2008 2:59 am, Dale Schumacher wrote: If your current display is around 150dpi, you can see what QVGA would be like with something like this: xterm -fn '*-clean-*--6-*-c-40*' This will give you a terminal window with a 4x6 font cell (3x5 for characters + 1px spacing).

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread rakshat hooja
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 11 June 2008 04:47, rakshat hooja wrote: I don't know where my NDA stands on this. (I dont have the signed copy back yet and I guess i wont be posting any more on this once I get it:-) I discussed

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-11 Thread cedric cellier
-[ Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 09:25:00AM -0700, Brian C ] Once one uses a Treo or similar linked to an Exchange server then one is spoiled by having email/contacts/calendar pushed to/from your phone automatically. People choosing the Freerunner shouldn't have to take a step backwards in this

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:38:59 +0200 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: 2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No, I haven't. Could you post a screenshot of how it looks? Maybe if I see it I can be convinced, I'm at least that open minded. can't as i did it years

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Peter Nijs
I pay my carrier €50 per year on avarage. And buying an OM will not increase that amount. Peter On Tuesday 10 June 2008 19:56:44 ian douglas write: Robert Taylor wrote: You pay through the nose for it because you HAVETO sign up for a 2 year contract minimum. Granted, the Apple and ATT

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-11 Thread Rahul Joshi
Sigh. First off let me begin by saying I'm not comparing iPhone with FreeRunner (but cud have since they both are... um.. smart phones! its quite OK saying - apples with apples) To those hyper-exasperated-over-comparison ppl, raving mad about subsidies, even a $600 penalty struck iPhone is STILL a

Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!

2008-06-11 Thread Tomi N/A
2008/6/10 Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ortwin Regel wrote: There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution (obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how messed up the 02 situation is. I'd

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-11 Thread Lorn Potter
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Wednesday 11 June 2008 02:39:08 Lorn Potter wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Ok, a first summary: *) I still like my tap sound. *) Almost all people do not want the tap sound. *) All people do care about getting event sounds while they're playing

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-11 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/11 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: if the vocal group here are to be accounted for going to these screens would be utterly bad and we should accept nothing less than vga so wvga (800x480) is the only way up into the future. So you argue to put a lesser screen on

Re: interface for people with very poor eyesight?

2008-06-11 Thread Christ van Willegen
I'd be interested in this subject as well, not for me but for someone close to me. Especially if it could be switched on and off at a gesture or something like that. Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-11 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 02:39:08 Lorn Potter wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Ok, a first summary: *) I still like my tap sound. *) Almost all people do not want the tap sound. *) All people do care about getting event sounds while they're playing something (needs help from a

Openmoko official resell partners

2008-06-11 Thread Harry Tsai
Dear Community, You should already know Pulster and IDA, they are our official reseller in the Germany and India. Today, I want to introduce new partners in Germany and UK, you can buy freerunner from them for save your shipping cost and time. We also have a formal press will release to

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:48:10 +0200 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: 2008/6/11 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: if the vocal group here are to be accounted for going to these screens would be utterly bad and we should accept nothing less than vga so wvga (800x480) is

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-11 Thread Jamie Allsop
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: even widescreen VGA, like the PSP?). Stroller. it will be better - of course. what' i'm baffled about is why all of a sudden here a lot of excellent vision gifted people turn up, whereas in real life i never see them... :) Ok, time to

Re: Openmoko official resell partners

2008-06-11 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 17:43 +0800, Harry Tsai wrote: Dear Community, You should already know Pulster and IDA, they are our official reseller in the Germany and India. Today, I want to introduce new partners in Germany and UK, you can buy freerunner from them for save your shipping cost and

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-11 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 17:02, arne anka wrote: So, how does the Freerunner UI stand in front of the iPhone's ? What about the MobileMe initiative ? Do we have anything like that ? I checked both openmoko and maemo, and Im more and more afraid of how far we are (we = the FOSS people)

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Jano
Andy Powell wrote: On Wednesday 11 June 2008 04:47, rakshat hooja wrote: I don't know where my NDA stands on this. (I dont have the signed copy back yet and I guess i wont be posting any more on this once I get it:-) I discussed with a carrier in India and they were as the first offer

Re: Sillyness: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Michael Kluge
7. Apple currently defines the PDA/mobile marketplace. No, the smartphone market is dominated by the Blackberry. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-11 Thread Hugo Mills
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 07:57:13AM +0800, Carsten Haitzler wrote: the day the design mockups for the ui i see stop having alpha transparency is the day i make this unimportant. until that day, your i don't care about this is the kind of opinion that i also am not interested in, because i am

Re: Openmoko official resell partners

2008-06-11 Thread W. B. Kranendonk
Great news, thanks for the update! --- On Wed, 6/11/08, Harry Tsai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Harry Tsai [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Openmoko official resell partners To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 11:43 AM Dear

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 09:51, rakshat hooja wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you got stuck with the crappy US model contract. AFAIK it's only the USA (and now India) where you pay to *receive* calls as well as make them. Perhaps

Openmoko official resell partners

2008-06-11 Thread Yorick Matthys
Can we get an estimate when the phones will reach the official resellers? _ Jouw nieuws en entertainment, vind je op MSN.nl! http://nl.msn.com/___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-11 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 10:12, Rahul Joshi wrote: Sigh. First off let me begin by saying I'm not comparing iPhone with FreeRunner (but cud have since they both are... um.. smart phones! its quite OK saying - apples with apples) To those hyper-exasperated-over-comparison ppl, raving mad about

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-11 Thread Rahul Joshi
Hehe... wrongly quoted. Forgiveness pls. Rahul J On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Err, what's that got to do with anything I said? -- Andy / ScaredyCat ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-11 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 12:25:11 Lorn Potter wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Wednesday 11 June 2008 02:39:08 Lorn Potter wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Ok, a first summary: *) I still like my tap sound. *) Almost all people do not want the tap sound. *) All people do

Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!

2008-06-11 Thread Ilja O.
me wants it too ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Free Runner price vs Meizu M8 price

2008-06-11 Thread Peter Nijs
U also have to know that running linux doesn't mean it's open. Some Telenet digiboxes (The onlything in Belgium that can receive the encrypted DBV-C) run Linux, but they are the most closed devices I've ever seen, and they also fail in what they are designed to do. I assume they where designed

Re: Sillyness: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Thanks for this enlightening post! I'd wish this thread could fade now... :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

AW: Openmoko official resell partners

2008-06-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is trisoft.de not an official reseller? Which reseller will receive the first phones? thx. Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 11.06.2008 11:43 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Openmoko official resell partners Dear

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-11 Thread cedric cellier
-[ Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:47:56AM +0100, Andy Powell ] I'm sorry but you're wrong. While it might eat a little cpu, it's not much. Most of the work is actually done by the graphics card Which is just another CPU which also need power. We are speacking about embeded devices here. == Off

Re: Openmoko official resell partners

2008-06-11 Thread Adilson Oliveira
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marcus Bauer escreveu: Germany Golden Delicious Computers- http://www.goldelico.com Dr.Nikolaus Schaller Hey, the shop (not the website) is already openmokoed ;-) ... and the name is, hmmm, bold :) (no offense, I really like it!) []s

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Shawn
My question is this: say I buy a freerunner, but decide to switch to ATT as my provider (as I plan to do in the near future), will they not hit me with a contract agreement anyway? Isn't that how you get the cheapest minute/plans? If thats the case, then yeah, it looks like the iPhone is

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-11 Thread Tilman Baumann
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Conclusions: *) I will keep PA for the time being and activate module-suspend-on-idle *) You will be able to turn off the tap ;) Sounds great. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper.

Re: Openmoko official resell partners

2008-06-11 Thread Michael Kluge
Hi Harry, no TRIsoft in Germany? Michael Am Mittwoch, 11. Juni 2008 11:43:59 schrieb Harry Tsai: Dear Community, You should already know Pulster and IDA, they are our official reseller in the Germany and India. Today, I want to introduce new partners in Germany and UK, you can buy

QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-11 Thread Ken Young
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 07:57:13AM +0800, Carsten Haitzler wrote: the day the design mockups for the ui i see stop having alpha transparency is the day i make this unimportant. until that day, your i don't care about this is the kind of opinion that i also am not interested in, because i am

Re: Sillyness: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Kalle Happonen
Michael Kluge wrote: 7. Apple currently defines the PDA/mobile marketplace. No, the smartphone market is dominated by the Blackberry. Dominate and define are different things. Blackberry might dominate (only in US though), but now Apple has the new cool thing, and every manufacturer

Re: Sillyness: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Michele Renda
+1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Openmoko official resell partners

2008-06-11 Thread Edwin Lock
Hi, TRIsoft is collaborating with Golden Delicious.. so if you have preordered on the TRIsoft site there should be no problem at all. Edwin Lock On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is trisoft.de not an official reseller? Which reseller will receive

Re: Openmoko official resell partners

2008-06-11 Thread Michael Kluge
Hi Harry, no TRIsoft in Germany? Michael Am Mittwoch, 11. Juni 2008 11:43:59 schrieb Harry Tsai: Dear Community, You should already know Pulster and IDA, they are our official reseller in the Germany and India. Today, I want to introduce new partners in Germany and UK, you can buy

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread robert lazarski
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Shawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is this: say I buy a freerunner, but decide to switch to ATT as my provider (as I plan to do in the near future), will they not hit me with a contract agreement anyway? Isn't that how you get the cheapest minute/plans?

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-11 Thread Ortwin Regel
Who are these weird people that think window transparency on an underpowered phone is a good idea?! What functionality does THAT give us? I'd like to see some justification, if not from you then from whoever is responsible for these ideas. I've lived without window transparancy on all my PCs and

Re:SIM cards for Freerunner (was Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price)

2008-06-11 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
ian douglas writes: Joe Pfeiffer wrote: when I went to get a sim card to use in my moko, I was unable to find one without getting a subsidized phone to go with it. TMobile did this for me in about 15 minutes at one of their stores, and I didn't even have my Neo with me at the time. I simply

Re: AW: Openmoko official resell partners

2008-06-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi all, to clarify some questions you may have: 1. we work closely together with Trisoft so you will get your Freerunner at approx. the same time (1-2 days) independently of where you place(d) your order 2. the direct link is http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-11 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 13:24, cedric cellier wrote: -[ Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:47:56AM +0100, Andy Powell ] I'm sorry but you're wrong. While it might eat a little cpu, it's not much. Most of the work is actually done by the graphics card Which is just another CPU which also need

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-11 Thread Esben Stien
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If we were to get rid of it, we could ditch pulseaudio and go directly to alsa. You know you should go JACK right?. Going directly to alsa for such a real time application is just bad, very bad. -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s

Re: Openmoko official resell partners

2008-06-11 Thread Harry Tsai
Michael, TRIsoft will work with Golden Delicious Computers as partnership, I do believe you also can buy freerunner from TRIsoft webshop. So, Openmoko with TRisoft is indirect cooperation, I know TRIsoft Mac and Robert very well, they also are good friends for me and openmoko. BR Harry

Re: AW: Openmoko official resell partners

2008-06-11 Thread Harry Tsai
The speed is depends on courier and custom process, we will announce shipping date at right timing soon. Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] 提到: Is trisoft.de not an official reseller? Which reseller will receive the first phones? thx. Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-11 Thread Lally Singh
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 07:57:13AM +0800, Carsten Haitzler wrote: the day the design mockups for the ui i see stop having alpha transparency is the day i make this unimportant. until that day, your i don't care about this is

Re: AW: Openmoko official resell partners

2008-06-11 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
Hi all, to clarify some questions you may have: 1. we work closely together with Trisoft so you will get your Freerunner at approx. the same time (1-2 days) independently of where you place(d) your order 2. the direct link is http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Ben Burdette
I plan on using my phone in VOIP mode as often as possible. Since I use my phone most often at home, I'm hoping I'll be able to use far fewer minutes per month than normal. That's when the pay-as-you-go SIM plan starts to really pay off - I don't have to pay for an artificial minimum of

Re: SIM cards for Freerunner (was Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price)

2008-06-11 Thread Vinc Duran
The local t-mobile store occasionally has a no extra charge (free I suppose) quad band world phone from Motorola. I was thinking of getting that as a spare. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ian douglas writes: Joe Pfeiffer wrote: when I went to get a sim

Wireless providers in the US

2008-06-11 Thread paul
Could those of you in the US, who have the prior phone,and who plan to get the new one, share what providers you are using? Also, any details would be great. I am going to be leaving Sprint, and ditching my Treo 650 for the new phone. It is very exciting, but I am a little lost as to what all

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Ortwin Regel
Your calculations may well be correct for the awful situation in the USA. In other parts of the world, this is drastically different! Please keep that in mind. Ortwin On 6/11/08, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Taylor wrote: Just compare equal things. We'll have to agree to

Re: SIM cards for Freerunner (was Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price)

2008-06-11 Thread Lowell Higley
ATT in the US does offer SIMs without a phone. However, you have to go into a Corporate store. The resellers generally won't or can't do this. I do not know, however, if they offer SIMs with contracts. To my knowledge, they only do this with pay as you go SIMs. On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:41

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price - Things clear

2008-06-11 Thread Bastian Muck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You are totally right.At T-Mobile Germany you can reserve an iPhone 3G. You can only get it with an contract thant is far more expensive than comparable contracts of T-Mobile Germany. The cheapest (24 month-) contract Complete S is 5 € more

Re: AW: Openmoko official resell partners

2008-06-11 Thread Adilson Oliveira
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dr.H.Nikolaus Schaller escreveu: 6. we can ship worldwide, although that might not be reasonable for you (quite high shipment cost and we have only the GTA02 EU version) I wasn't aware that there are different versions depending on your

Re: SIM cards for Freerunner (was Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price)

2008-06-11 Thread Stroller
On 11 Jun 2008, at 15:44, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: ian douglas writes: Joe Pfeiffer wrote: when I went to get a sim card to use in my moko, I was unable to find one without getting a subsidized phone to go with it. TMobile did this for me in about 15 minutes at one of their stores, and I

Re: Sillyness: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Michael Kluge
Kalle Happonen wrote: Michael Kluge wrote: 7. Apple currently defines the PDA/mobile marketplace. No, the smartphone market is dominated by the Blackberry. Dominate and define are different things. Blackberry might dominate (only in US though), but now Apple has

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Stroller
On 11 Jun 2008, at 13:55, Shawn wrote: My question is this: say I buy a freerunner, but decide to switch to ATT as my provider (as I plan to do in the near future), will they not hit me with a contract agreement anyway? Isn't that how you get the cheapest minute/plans? They may do it

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-11 Thread Stroller
On 11 Jun 2008, at 09:34, cedric cellier wrote: ... Anyway, I wouldn't call a way to easily share content like mails, contacts, calendar events, and even files, a step backward. At the contrary, this is one of the biggest trouble for me with FOSS. Think about what a pain it would be to

Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!

2008-06-11 Thread Peter Kraker
I want a phone, not a tablet. -1. Ilja O. pravi: me wants it too ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Dual SIM?

2008-06-11 Thread Adilson Oliveira
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi. I'm quite sure the answer is no but as I didn't find any definitive answer for that I decided to ask: does the openmoko hardware support 2 SIM cards? []s Adilson. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using

Re: Dual SIM?

2008-06-11 Thread Federico Lorenzi
no Not directly at least, it should be possible however to connect another phone that has bluetooth up to it, and allow it to act in nearly the same way. HTH, Federico On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Adilson Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1

Re: Wireless providers in the US

2008-06-11 Thread Kevin Dean
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could those of you in the US, who have the prior phone,and who plan to get the new one, share what providers you are using? T-Mobile. Been with them 5 or 6 years and zero complaints. Also, any details would be great. I am going to

Re: Dual SIM?

2008-06-11 Thread Ilja O.
No ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread ian douglas
Shawn wrote: say I buy a freerunner, but decide to switch to ATT as my provider (as I plan to do in the near future), will they not hit me with a contract agreement anyway? It varies, depending on who you talk to. They typically need to lock you into a 2-year contract if they're

Re: SIM cards for Freerunner (was Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price)

2008-06-11 Thread ian douglas
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: ian douglas writes: TMobile did this for me in about 15 minutes at one of their stores, and I didn't even have my Neo with me at the time. I simply told them I had an unlocked international GSM-capable phone and I just needed a SIM card for it. Did you get a lower

Re: Wireless providers in the US

2008-06-11 Thread ian douglas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could those of you in the US, who have the prior phone,and who plan to get the new one, share what providers you are using? I had a Neo (GTA01) and it worked fine on TMobile and ATT, but only in areas where the higher frequency bands were available -- I couldn't get

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread ian douglas
Ben Burdette wrote: Also, I hear that ATT is charging 10$ more per month for iphones over their normal plan fees, and even more if you are a business user. They raised the rate in general, even without picking a phone at attwireless.com, you can still see the basic unlimited data with

Re: Wireless providers in the US

2008-06-11 Thread Brandon Kruse
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Could those of you in the US, who have the prior phone,and who plan to get | the new one, share what providers you are using? Also, any details would | be great. I am going to be leaving Sprint, and ditching my Treo 650

Re: Wireless providers in the US

2008-06-11 Thread ian douglas
Kevin Dean wrote: T-Mobile and ATT both offer nationwide plans and the plans are the same coast to coast. ... but not at ATT plans are available coast-to-coast. I was looking at plans last night for someone on the list who lives in New Mexico, and there were fewer voice/data plans available

Re: SIM cards for Freerunner (was Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price)

2008-06-11 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Stroller writes: On 11 Jun 2008, at 15:44, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Did you get a lower price on your contract than you would have with a phone? Yes, they would have let me pay for a subsidized phone without giving me the phone... Where the heck are you? To the British it is quite *obvious*

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-11 Thread arne anka
Even the animations are not gratuitous waste of CPU : it helps the user to understand what's happening. For instance, in the mobileMe video presentation the user uploads a picture of a contact and then the picture appears to flow right into the picture box of the contact detail - this is not

Re: Font type and size was (QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03)

2008-06-11 Thread David Samblas Martinez
Thanks Dale, as David says it's this simply test makes the things very clear, whit bold there's is no way but as I said before this font on the freerunner can be used to previews, icons and a way to have various text files opens at time and intuit of what's about and then to work use the second

Re: AW: Openmoko official resell partners

2008-06-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 11.06.2008 um 19:48 schrieb Adilson Oliveira: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dr.H.Nikolaus Schaller escreveu: 6. we can ship worldwide, although that might not be reasonable for you (quite high shipment cost and we have only the GTA02 EU version) I wasn't aware that

Re:Dual SIM?

2008-06-11 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Adilson Oliveira writes: I'm quite sure the answer is no but as I didn't find any definitive answer for that I decided to ask: does the openmoko hardware support 2 SIM cards? Not at the same time. Only one holder. ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Wireless providers in the US

2008-06-11 Thread ian douglas
ian douglas wrote: ... but not at ATT plans are available coast-to-coast. at = all Lack of sleep = typos. My bad. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

GTA03 camera + any chance to add SD card?

2008-06-11 Thread Ron K. Jeffries
I hope the camera on GTA03 will be ~3 megapixels and have a decent (glass) lens. I don't know what the COGS impact of the better camera will be but Freerunner is NOT a bargain basement phone. If the better specs on camera add $50 vs say $10 for a 1.3 megapixel with plastic POS lens, I for one am

Re: GTA03 camera + any chance to add SD card?

2008-06-11 Thread ian douglas
Ron K. Jeffries wrote: Is adding an SD card externally accessible on GTA03 feasible? +1 Having the SD card buried under the SIM under the battery is less than ideal. -if ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Dual SIM?

2008-06-11 Thread Adilson Oliveira
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joerg Reisenweber escreveu: No. ;-) I thought so :) It's a pity, but the GSM-module won't support that - none will. And anything less than true *concurrent* usage - like electrical swappers where you can select which SIM to boot to, is

Re: Dual SIM?

2008-06-11 Thread Kevin Dean
The Freerunner has a single SIM slot. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Adilson Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi. I'm quite sure the answer is no but as I didn't find any definitive answer for that I decided to ask: does the openmoko

Re: Openmoko official resell partners

2008-06-11 Thread Kyle Gordon
Harry Tsai wrote: UK TrueBox Technologies - http://www.TrueBox.co.uk Mr. Rob wood £272 delivered to anywhere in the UK... http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/015080.html says it's $399, from the US presumably. At the current exchange rate that's £203... I think I can

Re: SIM cards for Freerunner (was Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price)

2008-06-11 Thread Kevin Dean
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stroller writes: On 11 Jun 2008, at 15:44, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Did you get a lower price on your contract than you would have with a phone? Yes, they would have let me pay for a subsidized phone without giving me the

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-11 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 19:08:48 Esben Stien wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If we were to get rid of it, we could ditch pulseaudio and go directly to alsa. You know you should go JACK right?. Going directly to alsa for such a real time application is just bad,

Re: SIM cards for Freerunner (was Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price)

2008-06-11 Thread Vinc Duran
News Flash! The US doesn't always make sense. I'm a United Statesian. I've lived around and worked with Europeans for years and I'm always agreeing that what we have doesn't seem sensible or doesn't appear thought out. It's very screwy. It just is. :-) On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Joe

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