Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-05-05 Thread Marnix Klooster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Steve, others, About that 8GB micro-SD card (which someone confusingly called a miniSD card earlier in this thread), steve wrote once upon a time: | I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version. | Actually Michael tests and I say

Re: Any compliant headset? (Re: was FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

2008-04-19 Thread Stroller
On 18 Apr 2008, at 23:12, Shawn Rutledge wrote: I would like to see future devices using a 3.5mm jack. IMO the important thing is high-quality music, whereas if you just want to talk on the phone, Bluetooth headsets are more popular these days. I haven't found a bluetooth headset which

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-19 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Stroller wrote: On 13 Apr 2008, at 17:44, steve wrote: Not sure I understand what you mean by final Inventory. The STANDARD box contents will be a Phone and Battery. I expect to add some other goodies, but only for the first few thousand buyers. Many people have voiced there opinion to me

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update (Colours)

2008-04-18 Thread Stroller
On 14 Apr 2008, at 19:09, steve wrote: ... Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model. When I get to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what ratios, then I can easily add colors. Yellow blue!! Stroller. ___

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-18 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/18/08, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13 Apr 2008, at 17:44, steve wrote: Not sure I understand what you mean by final Inventory. The STANDARD box contents will be a Phone and Battery. I expect to add some other goodies, but only for the first few thousand buyers. Many

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update (Colours)

2008-04-18 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/18/08, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14 Apr 2008, at 19:09, steve wrote: ... Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model. When I get to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what ratios, then I can easily add colors. Yellow blue!!

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-18 Thread joerg
: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:49 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update steve wrote: USB cable is in. Hello all, Sorry to keep that up but I see three kind of potential cables and I'm not sure which one you're talking about

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-18 Thread thomasg
We all? At least not me. There are a bunch of wired headsets, headphones, I never used one of it. I also haven't ever seen somebody walking around with a wired headset in the last 3 years. Imho that's one of the most useless accesoires that comes with mobiles. If I want to listen to music, I'll

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-18 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/18/08, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We all? At least not me. There are a bunch of wired headsets, headphones, I never used one of it. I also haven't ever seen somebody walking around with a wired headset in the last 3 years. Imho that's one of the most useless accesoires that comes

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-18 Thread Gilles Casse
thomasg wrote: We all? At least not me. There are a bunch of wired headsets, headphones, I never used one of it. I also haven't ever seen somebody walking around with a wired headset in the last 3 years. Imho that's one of the most useless accesoires that comes with mobiles. If I want to

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-18 Thread Steven Kurylo
A headset is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to me. I need to be able to talk whilst I drive sometimes. Of course, if you make it an optional accessory I will (reluctantly) pay extra to purchase it, but a headset has been included in my last 3 phone purchases. You do realize the cost of the

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-18 Thread thomasg
What you wrote, Gilles, is a problem. I can't imagine, that FIC produced headsets that would fit for the neo only (why should they?), so I strongly assume that the headset is a standard device. Maybe you should describe what exactly didn't work, so we can try to figure out what the problem is. I

Any compliant headset? (Re: was FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

2008-04-18 Thread Gilles Casse
thomasg wrote: What you wrote, Gilles, is a problem. I can't imagine, that FIC produced headsets that would fit for the neo only (why should they?), so I strongly assume that the headset is a standard device. Maybe you should describe what exactly didn't work, so we can try to figure out what

Re: Any compliant headset? (Re: was FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

2008-04-18 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
I noticed only one headphone getting sound when I was using a 3.5-2.5 adapter with a motorola phone a while ago. I would just jiggle the connection or reinsert the 3.5 slowly and it would work. Maybe you're experiencing the same thing from a similar crappy adapter. On Apr 18, 2008, at

Re: Any compliant headset? (Re: was FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

2008-04-18 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Richard Reichenbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed only one headphone getting sound when I was using a 3.5-2.5 adapter with a motorola phone a while ago. I would just jiggle the connection or reinsert the 3.5 slowly and it would work. Maybe you're

Re: Any compliant headset? (Re: was FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

2008-04-18 Thread Bastian Muck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Gilles, i got a headset with 2,5mm with my HTC SDA2 (SDAII). Probably you might find one when searching with this. For example here: http://www.mygift.com/htc/htc-SDA-headset.html Greetings Bastian Gilles Casse schrieb: | thomasg wrote: |

RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-17 Thread steve
mini usb to USB. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ivo Anjo Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:32 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update Hi. Is this the mini-usb (on OM side) -- usb (pc

RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-17 Thread steve
for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update steve wrote: USB cable is in. Hello all, Sorry to keep that up but I see three kind of potential cables and I'm not sure which one you're talking about : - First is male USB A = freerunner (USB mini AB, I believe

Re: PVT Update.

2008-04-16 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Mark Arvidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but will it blend? Ahah :) for those who didn't get it... : http://www.willitblend.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-16 Thread Hugo Mills
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:05:10PM +0200, David Samblas Martinez wrote: Regarding colors, maybe in the massmarket phase being able to customice your case as a lot of comercial moviles will be a plus to fashion victims ( My female work college has his laptop, movile phone and mp3 all in

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-16 Thread David Samblas Martinez
Hey there is nothing more dearly than a happy developer dancing after a successfull test. :) Regarding colors, maybe in the massmarket phase being able to customice your case as a lot of comercial moviles will be a plus to fashion victims ( My female work college has his laptop, movile phone and

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-16 Thread Peter Kraker
Someone with a knack for business should simply grab those CAD files and start manufacturing replacement cases in gazillion different colors. Bastian Muck pravi: What about colored stickers? I think it could be cheap to design and cut them to fit at the neo. I guess this could be a solution to

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-16 Thread Hugo Mills
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 06:32:09PM +0200, Peter Kraker wrote: Someone with a knack for business should simply grab those CAD files and start manufacturing replacement cases in gazillion different colors. I thought the same. So I've picked an injection moulding firm more or less at random,

Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-16 Thread Steven **
For the one off, you could check out http://www.emachineshop.com They do injection molding of various plastics in many colors. I'm not sure if you could make a profit by having them make a ton of cases and then reselling them or not. -Steven On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Hugo Mills [EMAIL

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-16 Thread Neil Davey
>From the involvement I've had with injection molding the costs of material (ie the plastic) per piece it not very expensive, it's the mold tool that is the expensive part.. For one project I'm involved in I think the mold tool was something like $10KUSD.. This is a production quality (read

Re: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-16 Thread Steven Le Roux
Hmm in this goal, why not Openmoko.com to sell blank case, non finished ones, witout any painting, just to be customized/adapted later ? I don't think only with painting, but integrate an eye cam or other expansion pack, or wifi external connectors for example... Even one water proof why not :)

Re: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-16 Thread Matt Manjos
I guess people could get it airbrushed if it was a matte plastic case, maybe shipped with primer already painted on it. Seems like a lot of work, but it would really fit well with the whole customization thing. Maybe FIC could start selling DIY at-home plastic injection molding kits, too ;) On

RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-16 Thread steve
] On Behalf Of Neil Davey Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:18 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update From the involvement I've had with injection molding the costs of material (ie the plastic) per piece it not very expensive, it's the mold tool

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-16 Thread Michele Renda
steve wrote: One goal of freeing the CAD , freeing the flesh of the phone, was to enable others to seize these opportunities. So, the CAD files for the FreeRunner are out there, before it has even shipped. I think this decision is underappreciated. The per piece cost of plastic is small. Go

RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-16 Thread steve
This is EXACTLY why we freed the CAD files -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hugo Mills Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:58 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update On Wed, Apr 16, 2008

RE: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-16 Thread steve
To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update Hmm in this goal, why not Openmoko.com to sell blank case, non finished ones, witout any painting, just to be customized/adapted later ? I don't think only with painting

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-16 Thread Hugo Mills
Davey Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:18 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update From the involvement I've had with injection molding the costs of material (ie the plastic) per piece it not very expensive, it's the mold tool

RE: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-16 Thread steve
Pricing and PVT update I've never used emachineshop, but I will ask around. Perhaps some of my friends have. Michael steve wrote: I love emachineshop. I thought of approaching them to do some kinda co promotion. Maybe Michael Shiloh can weigh in here. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-16 Thread steve
Thanks Lon. Good comment. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lon Lentz Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:12 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update For quite a while now I've been reading

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-15 Thread Jay Vaughan
- The second is a female USB A = freerunner. It's used for host mode (for example, plugging a usb key or keyboard to the neo. I've got no idea if it is easy to find that one in a shop. i want this cable so that i can plug in a MIDI interface and use my neo as a sequencing platform. ;

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-15 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hi. | | Is this the mini-usb (on OM side) -- usb (pc side), or the Y usb cable | for usb host? Last I heard it is miniUSB - USB A plug only. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9

Re: RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-15 Thread sebbil
update USB cable is in. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian Billaudelle Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:41 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update My opinion: + USB-cable

Re: PVT Update.

2008-04-15 Thread James Olney
community discussion Subject: Re: PVT Update. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Still, poor Freerunners... :'( On 4/14/08, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One minute of silence for the dead freerunner, death to ensure a product free of defects :) 2008/4

Re: PVT Update.

2008-04-15 Thread Matt Manjos
Of Ortwin Regel Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:55 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: PVT Update. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Still, poor Freerunners... :'( On 4/14/08, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-15 Thread Matt Manjos
The Openmoko Freerunner: MacGyver Edition On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 1:21 AM, clare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The pouch is very nice and closes securely with its drawstring. Inside it I put a piece of vinyl floor tile; and face the Neo1973 screen to the tile, so that sharp or hard items in my

RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-15 Thread David Samblas Martinez
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Trevisan (Treviño) Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:30 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update Ivo Anjo wrote: Finally, the miniSD card, DEFINITELY leave it off, unless you

Re: PVT Update.

2008-04-15 Thread Tim Shannon
: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:55 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: PVT Update. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Still, poor Freerunners... :'( On 4/14/08, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One minute

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-15 Thread Ortwin Regel
, 2008 1:33 PM | To: List for Openmoko community discussion | Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update | | My daughter requests pink. | | Maybe the only one. | | I suggest we make them all white and include a pack of magic markers, so | you can color them any color you wish, or decorate

RE: PVT Update.

2008-04-15 Thread steve
for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: PVT Update. maybe mokoninja could get behind the scenes and snap some pics or vids.. On 15/04/2008, nickd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi first post :) i don't suppose as part of the open nature of the production that the few sick people (myself included

RE: PVT Update.

2008-04-15 Thread steve
it's a cool idea. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Manjos Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:08 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: PVT Update. Calling it a snuff video is a little disturbing, but I too would like

RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-15 Thread steve
and PVT update I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD --- steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version. Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy dance. He'll be back soon. We will revert on this. -Original

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-15 Thread Alexander Frøyseth
discussion Subject: RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD --- steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version. Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy dance. He'll be back soon

RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-15 Thread steve
In a harlequin pattern no doubt. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ortwin Regel Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:10 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update I do! Well, actually I probably

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-15 Thread Vincent
On 4/15/08, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Happy dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnlOJjC368 Stop that, I've been Rick Rolled enough these days... :P -- Vincent ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-15 Thread Ole Tange
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Kosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-) Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone? I do! :D (just kidding) I recently was at a dinner with former colleagues. The subject turned to OpenMoko

RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-15 Thread steve
what you guys actually want to see me dance? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexander Frøyseth Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:53 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update wtf? This is an hocky movie

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-15 Thread ramsesoriginal
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:49 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what you guys actually want to see me dance? Oh hm... YES! xD and also some of my female (and even male) friends asked about coloring: the preferred ones: -red -pink (yes, really) -blue -kiwi-green -- My corner of the

RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-15 Thread steve
for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Kosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-) Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone? I do! :D (just kidding) I recently

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-15 Thread Bastian Muck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What about colored stickers? I think it could be cheap to design and cut them to fit at the neo. I guess this could be a solution to many whishes for special colors. But this feature could be sold by a thirdparty-shop. And I guess, that it would

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-15 Thread Michael Shiloh
charge me. | | | | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh | Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:33 PM | To: List for Openmoko community discussion | Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update | | My daughter requests pink. | | Maybe

RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-15 Thread steve
community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update My daughter is sitting right next to me and says yes, she absolutely wants one in pink. She also wants one multicolored. See, the white-and-markers idea isn't such a bad one, eh? Michael Bastian Muck wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED

Re: PVT Update.

2008-04-15 Thread Mark Arvidson
Yes, but will it blend? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

RE: Happy dance (Was FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

2008-04-15 Thread David Samblas Martinez
] On Behalf Of David Samblas Martinez Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:17 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD --- steve escribió: I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version. Actually

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-15 Thread Kosa
Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update My daughter is sitting right next to me and says yes, she absolutely wants one in pink. She also wants one multicolored. See, the white-and- markers idea isn't such a bad one, eh? Michael Bastian Muck wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: let me know what you think. My inclination is Open accessories. I agree to Open accessories. Thinks I would like to see in the box: - Charger - USB-Cable - Headset I also would like to have - may be separately: - Stylus - Pouch -

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread Andy Powell
On Monday 14 April 2008 00:13, steve wrote: There will be two products. Buy 1 OR buy 10. ( in 850 and 900 versions of course) This seems like an odd decision to me, is it just a limitation of the store software you are using? Even OS Commerce can handle price breaks. The same thing happens

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread ian douglas
Robin Paulson wrote: 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I also would like to have - may be separately: - Stylus personally, i'd want: *a modified charger (if one is made) *a pouch included, and that's it I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a must-have.

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread Erland Lewin
Regarding a headset, how easy will it be to get a third party (wired, non-bluetooth) headset with decent sound for the Freerunner? I believe there was some discussion on the kernel list about impedances, which made it sound like many standard headsets would not give good audio, because they have

Charger? (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

2008-04-14 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 08:38 +0200, Erland Lewin wrote: 2008/4/14, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1. We have a custom charger that can fast charge the phone. 2. Standard usb chargers will work just fine. How long will charging the phone take with the fast charger vs. a normal

Re: Charger? (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

2008-04-14 Thread Lowell Higley
I think I'm going to have to completely disagree on this one. I RARELY plug anything into a computer to simply charge it. I'd venture almost never. The idea that I HAVE to plug a device into a computer to charge it is completely ridiculous to me. I'd bet my experience as a product marketer that

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread Steven Le Roux
if it could work with Weston UM2 :) or any Shure ;) On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Erland Lewin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding a headset, how easy will it be to get a third party (wired, non-bluetooth) headset with decent sound for the Freerunner? I believe there was some discussion on

Re: Charger? (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

2008-04-14 Thread Marcus Bauer
Reading your email I wonder if there is a misunderstanding here. A USB charger is not a device that gets plugged into a computer but it is simply a device that supplies power on a USB-like plug. It can be a wall charger or a car charger. If you go to ebay and type in usb charger you get plenty

Re: PVT Update.

2008-04-14 Thread ramsesoriginal
That's really great news! And by the way, Steve, thank you for the constant updates (and the whole bunch of updates of today), it feels great beeing informed! On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Christ van Willegen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, all, On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 4:01 AM, steve

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread Dirk Deimeke
Hi, I spoke to my wife (typical end user). She expects a - computer independent charger - headset - pouch Best regards Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: PVT Update.

2008-04-14 Thread Alexander Frøyseth
I agree I love to buy my NEO soon, lets hope they don't break them xD ramsesoriginal skrev: That's really great news! And by the way, Steve, thank you for the constant updates (and the whole bunch of updates of today), it feels great beeing informed! On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Christ

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread ramsesoriginal
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Ivo Anjo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be cool also if the Y-cable needed for powered usb host was included. Since I understand that the cable is kind of custom, and that's one of the highlights of the neo (being able to connect usb stuff directly to it),

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread Ivo Anjo
It would be cool also if the Y-cable needed for powered usb host was included. Since I understand that the cable is kind of custom, and that's one of the highlights of the neo (being able to connect usb stuff directly to it), I think it should be included. I also agree with including the charger.

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread Andreas Kemnade
Hi, On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:56:10 +0100 Ivo Anjo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be cool also if the Y-cable needed for powered usb host was included. Since I understand that the cable is kind of custom, and that's one of the highlights of the neo (being able to connect usb stuff directly

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 12:36 +0200, Andreas Kemnade wrote: It would be cool also if the Y-cable needed for powered usb host was included. Since I understand that the cable is kind of custom, and that's one of the highlights of the neo (being able to connect usb stuff directly to it), I

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread David Samblas Martinez
count on my vote on this one, Y cable must be a must ;) --- ramsesoriginal [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Ivo Anjo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be cool also if the Y-cable needed for powered usb host was included. Since I understand that the cable is

Re: Charger? (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

2008-04-14 Thread thomasg
Well, you'll get used to it :) USB-Charging is fine. You can use a standard usb-wallcharger as well as any mini-usb cable or usb-carchargers and so on. I have some devices that can only be loaded over usb and some who can also use a proprietary charger. I mostly use usb, because I have a dozend

Re: Charger? (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

2008-04-14 Thread Erland Lewin
2008/4/14, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [...] the great news is that the Neo can use any USB charger. I have a Neo 1973 and use it on a daily basis. The great thing is that you don't need any special charger, you can use any $5 charger and it works. There is a small program out there

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Ivo Anjo wrote: Finally, the miniSD card, DEFINITELY leave it off, unless you get a really really really good deal, because you can buy very high-capacity nowadays, so it doesn't make much sense to pay for 512mb or such on the neo, and then buy a multi-gb one (I am definitely getting one of

RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread morricone
steve wrote: [...] your feedback Here are my 2 cents: Must have: Neo ;) Stylus Optional: Charger (Would be useful, at least for end user, so he's sure he doesn't stress a normal usb charger too much (500mA)) Not want: Headset (Most of them are crap and I don't even open the plastic bag

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
I would say that it must have: - the phone - the fancy stylus - headset Optionally: - extra battery - Y-cable Not: - SD card - charger ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Custom cable and custom charger (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

2008-04-14 Thread Michael Shiloh
IIRC, the custom cable is actually part of the charger, i.e. charger and cable is one unit. If you think about it, this makes sense: If the cable were a separate unit, you might plug the cable by accident into a charger (or worse, your laptop) that could not deliver 1 Amp, the phone would

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread Michael Shiloh
:* Sunday, April 13, 2008 7:27 PM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update But is the software going to depend on a stylus? If so, it should be made very clear when purchasing that the customer will need to get one. Even better would be to include

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread Steven **
I think the only thing in that list I would want with the Freerunner is the USB cable (as I don't have many mini-USB cables). I already have a nice bluetooth headset and MicroSD card. Any of those included with the Freerunner would be useless for me and would seem a waste of money to me,

Re: PVT Update.

2008-04-14 Thread Michele Renda
One minute of silence for the dead freerunner, death to ensure a product free of defects :) 2008/4/14, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The last of DVT testing is I think complete. These are destructive tests. Where we try to break the phone. ___

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread Steven Le Roux
Not providing SD card could take off taxes about private copy or other bullshits like that from RIAA and friends... as I said in a previous mail. To me charger should be provided, with stylus, headset and pouch at least. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread Mikko Rauhala
On ma, 2008-04-14 at 13:29 +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: I agree, I'll buy one soon too, but what's the maximum capacity actually supported (I've seen the wiki, but there are no so much tests)? I'd like to buy an 8Gb Mini-SD card... I have a 8 GB one (Sandisk) in my Neo right now.

FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread Jason Self
On Mon Apr 14 12:58:04 CEST 2008 Jay Vaughan wrote: But you still have to hack up a cable to make it work. Thus, it should be included in the Freeruner, in my opinion .. It is not necessary to modify a cable to fast charge the device. All that is needed is something like [1] (which costs US$3)

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread Jay Vaughan
It is not necessary to modify a cable to fast charge the device. All that is needed is something like [1] (which costs US$3) and the software from [2] and you have fast charging without modifying a cable or relying upon the folks from OpenMoko to get into the accessory business. I want this

Re: PVT Update.

2008-04-14 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
steve wrote: 1. A final release of software to the factory. Bug Fixing will go on after this, but the image we commit is one we will stick with for a while. Don't ask me what a while is. I'll talk about the software release late Next week and let you all know what made it into the first

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread Kevin Zuber
I totally agree with you, Marco! But I would like to add two important things: -The Pouch is more important than needed for me, it's essential. It will always be there, when I'm not using it, I also don't want a no-name pouch, because I like that one with the word openmoko on it, because it is

Re: PVT Update.

2008-04-14 Thread NeoSleg
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:47:38 +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: steve wrote: 1. A final release of software to the factory. Bug Fixing will go on after this, but the image we commit is one we will stick with for a while. Don't ask me what a while is. I'll talk

What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

2008-04-14 Thread Bobby Martin
I am one of those crazy people who use the neo 1973 as their everyday phone, and I NEVER use the pouch. Does any current every day user use the pouch or lanyard? I lost the stylus (it's way too cool; if you forget it at a restaurant or something, you don't get a call asking if you want it back

Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread Sebastian Billaudelle
My opinion: + USB-cable is essentially! I think the nice FreeRunner won't look nice with a self-made cable... + pouch + lanyard (this is something Moko-specific like the pouch...) - no stylus - no SD-card (1/2 GByte are too small, more are too expensive) - no headset (some want big ones, others

Re: Charger? (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

2008-04-14 Thread Lowell Higley
I think my main concern is I see USB Cable and USB Charger used interchangeably in these messages. They are not one and the same. So which is that we are talking about? On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:29 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading your email I wonder if there is a

Re: What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

2008-04-14 Thread Dirk Deimeke
Hi, I think you are right. There are two main opinions on getting the phone. The geek way and the end user way. Geeks have other needs or wishes than end users have. What about addon packs to a basic phone with charger? Dirk ___ Openmoko community

Re: PVT Update.

2008-04-14 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:02 PM, NeoSleg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:47:38 +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: steve wrote: 1. A final release of software to the factory. Bug Fixing will go on after this, but the image we commit

Re: What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

2008-04-14 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 10:33 -0500, Bobby Martin wrote: I lost the stylus (it's way too cool; if you forget it at a restaurant or something, you don't get a call asking if you want it back :-) They are $3 a piece w/ shipping included if you take ten. For example this one here:

Re: What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

2008-04-14 Thread Kevin Dean
I'm in the same position as Bobby. I use my Neo as my primary phone as well as my digital media player. I haven't touched the lanyard or the pouch since I took them out of the box. But I also don't use my stylus. My stylus was neat in the beginning, because I could use it to play with my cats,

RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread steve
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Powell Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:30 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update On Monday 14 April 2008 00:13, steve wrote: There will be two products. Buy 1 OR buy 10. ( in 850 and 900 versions of course) This seems like

RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread steve
discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: let me know what you think. My inclination is Open accessories. I agree to Open accessories. Thinks I would like to see in the box: - Charger - USB-Cable - Headset I also would like

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