Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-11-18 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 30/04/14 03:45, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 04/26/2014 01:39 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: With all the talk about removing jquery from source packages, one thing that does arise is the question of how to support different jquery versions. This is not just a JavaScript issue though. Maybe we can

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-05-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Charles, Op zaterdag 26 april 2014 14:29:44 schreef Charles Plessy: Le Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:11:58PM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 02:07:22PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 11:41:17AM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-30 Thread Ole Streicher
(I am Cc: debian-science, since this is probably specific to science) On 30.04.2014 03:45, Thomas Goirand wrote: This is the exact same thing that happens with .so libraries, and this should happen *only* when there's an API change (why would you want to keep an older version otherwise?).

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-30 Thread Steve Moss
Check out modules and lmod for this: http://modules.sourceforge.net https://github.com/TACC/Lmod Cheers, Steve

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-30 Thread Alastair McKinstry
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 modules.sourceforge.net is in debian as environment-modules regards Alastair On 30/04/2014 18:46, Steve Moss wrote: Check out modules and lmod for this: http://modules.sourceforge.net https://github.com/TACC/Lmod Cheers, Steve --

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-29 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 28/04/14 21:16, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Quoting Daniel Pocock (2014-04-28 20:10:09) On 28/04/14 18:59, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Paul Wise dijo [Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 11:41:17AM +0800]: a generalized approach is needed. Multiple versions of a package seems undesirable to me, for the same reasons

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-29 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-04-27 20:50:38 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote: [...] Containers would be a better environment, but you have to make them very, very simple to set up. [...] An academic librarian friend of mine has been working with the various departments at his institution to start producing and

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-29 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 06:21:33AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 02:07:22PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: it would be a great advantage for Debian over the other distributions to have the capacity to install multiple versions

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-29 Thread Adam Sampson
Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org writes: An academic librarian friend of mine has been working with the various departments at his institution to start producing and archiving virtual machine images preconfigured for running the software used to generate results corresponding to various

Re: OpenStack needs for backport repo (was: concurrent installation of different pkg versions)

2014-04-29 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/26/2014 01:39 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: There was even a debate about this on the backports list recently in the context of how to support different versions of OpenStack (not installed concurrently though, but just making perhaps the most recent 2 releases available to users on wheezy)

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-29 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/26/2014 01:39 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: With all the talk about removing jquery from source packages, one thing that does arise is the question of how to support different jquery versions. This is not just a JavaScript issue though. Maybe we can have libjs-jquery-1.7

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 08:50:38PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Containers would be a better environment, but you have to make them very, very simple to set up. You mean like something imaginary command like create_my_vm package-version-debversion creating a virtual machine and installs

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 27 avril 2014 à 17:16 -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit : The right way to handle this for research computing scenarios is to deploy virtual machines with specific versions otherwise you're constantly battling with trying to make sure that you're actually using the version that you

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-28 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Don Armstrong On Sat, 26 Apr 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: And simultaneous installation of multiple versions of packages is simply a requirement for many research computing scenarios, usually because there's a lot of bespoke scientific code that accomplishes some specific goal but was

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-28 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Paul Wise dijo [Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 11:41:17AM +0800]: a generalized approach is needed. Multiple versions of a package seems undesirable to me, for the same reasons as static libraries and embedded code copies are undesirable. Systems that do this already exist though:

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 28/04/14 18:59, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Paul Wise dijo [Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 11:41:17AM +0800]: a generalized approach is needed. Multiple versions of a package seems undesirable to me, for the same reasons as static libraries and embedded code copies are undesirable. Systems that do this

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Daniel Pocock (2014-04-28 20:10:09) On 28/04/14 18:59, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Paul Wise dijo [Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 11:41:17AM +0800]: a generalized approach is needed. Multiple versions of a package seems undesirable to me, for the same reasons as static libraries and embedded code

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-27 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 26 Apr 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: And simultaneous installation of multiple versions of packages is simply a requirement for many research computing scenarios, usually because there's a lot of bespoke scientific code that accomplishes some specific goal but was not written to the

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-04-28 2:16 GMT+02:00 Don Armstrong d...@debian.org: On Sat, 26 Apr 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: And simultaneous installation of multiple versions of packages is simply a requirement for many research computing scenarios, usually because there's a lot of bespoke scientific code that

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: On Sat, 26 Apr 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: And simultaneous installation of multiple versions of packages is simply a requirement for many research computing scenarios, usually because there's a lot of bespoke scientific code that accomplishes some

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-26 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 26/04/14 07:11, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 02:07:22PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 11:41:17AM +0800, Paul Wise a ←crit : On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: a generalized

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-26 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 26 avril 2014 07:07 CEST, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org : it would be a great advantage for Debian over the other distributions to have the capacity to install multiple versions concurrently. That does not mean that it would be a good idea to install multiple versions of core

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-26 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 02:07:22PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: it would be a great advantage for Debian over the other distributions to have the capacity to install multiple versions concurrently. No, no it wouldn't. This is how rpm handles library

concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-25 Thread Daniel Pocock
With all the talk about removing jquery from source packages, one thing that does arise is the question of how to support different jquery versions. This is not just a JavaScript issue though. Maybe we can have libjs-jquery-1.7 libjs-jquery-1.10 and friends all installed concurrently.

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-25 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: a generalized approach is needed. Multiple versions of a package seems undesirable to me, for the same reasons as static libraries and embedded code copies are undesirable. Systems that do this already exist though: https://nixos.org/

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-25 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 11:41:17AM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: a generalized approach is needed. Multiple versions of a package seems undesirable to me, for the same reasons as static libraries and embedded code copies are undesirable.

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 02:07:22PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 11:41:17AM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: a generalized approach is needed. Multiple versions of a package seems undesirable to me, for the same

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-25 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:11:58PM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 02:07:22PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 11:41:17AM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: a generalized approach is needed.