Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-12 Thread Wilmer van der Gaast
Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]@Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:25:53 +0200: * Jeroen Dekkers [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20020409 20:45]: You don't have to tell me how glibc works, I develop it. Yeah, and Daniel Stone is a Linux kernel developer. Heheheheh But watch out, Jeroen == Hurd developer.. (Ohyes, Hurd

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-12 Thread Wilmer van der Gaast
Jeroen [EMAIL PROTECTED]@Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:29:14 +0200: What is wrong with telling him that the kind of problems he's having is normal with non-free software and say that there are 2 free alternatives in Debian which would probably not have those problems? The problem with those

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-12 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Jeroen Dekkers | Software always used to be free. That changed, but RMS didn't | change. I don't what software he used to write parts of GNU, but it | could have been free, there was enough free software at time. Oh, and | 1) the Hurd isn't a kernel 2) RMS has never written anything of | it

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-11 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 10:29:56AM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:40:41PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: s/refused/discouraged/ and I would agree. Isn't the goal of Debian providing a free system so users don't have to run any non-free software anymore? IMHO the

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-11 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 05:49:55PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Isn't the goal of Debian providing a free system so users don't have to run any non-free software anymore? No, no, nonono, no, no, no. 4. Our Priorities are Our Users and Free

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-11 Thread Thom May
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 05:49:55PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Isn't the goal of Debian providing a free system so users don't have to run any non-free software anymore? No, no, nonono, no, no, no. 4. Our Priorities are Our Users and Free

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-11 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: some solutions for it (namely using a good, free MUA). You just let the person helpless, I try to point him to the fix. However if you try to help somebody you should not be a debian developers because you said that non-free software is the problem

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-11 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 01:02:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: In such cases I sometimes decide to run the non-free tool if it saves me some time. After all I want to get my job done and I want to have some time left for leisure or for working on stuff like free software. You restrict

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-11 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 03:13:57PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: In such cases I sometimes decide to run the non-free tool if it saves me some time. After all I want to get my job done and I want to have some time left for leisure or for working on stuff like free software. You

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 09:43:22AM -0400, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 03:13:57PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: In such cases I sometimes decide to run the non-free tool if it saves me some time. After all I want to get my job done and I want to have some time

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-11 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 03:13:57PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 01:02:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: In such cases I sometimes decide to run the non-free tool if it saves me some time. After all I want to get my job done and I want to have some time

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 05:33:16PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: Oh, and 1) the Hurd isn't a kernel Wonderful news! Does this mean that we can expect the 'whine-the-linux-kernel-packages-should-all-have-linux-in-the-name-/whine' thread to not repeat itself? Steve Langasek postmodern programmer

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-11 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 09:43:22AM -0400, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: If there are only proprietary programs that do a specific job, and it is desired to have a free program for this job, then we are forced to reinvent the wheel by the proprietary programs licenses. Forced to by whom? By Jeroen,

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-11 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 05:33:16PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: That's fine with me. At least I'll have a lot more leisure when using an available product instead of re-inventing the wheel. Even RMS used commercial software when the GNU software for it was not yet written. With your logic

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-11 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 10:46:12AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 05:33:16PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: Oh, and 1) the Hurd isn't a kernel Wonderful news! Does this mean that we can expect the

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-11 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 09:09:58AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 09:43:22AM -0400, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 03:13:57PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: In such cases I sometimes decide to run the non-free tool if it saves me some time.

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-11 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 06:33:34PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 09:43:22AM -0400, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: If there are only proprietary programs that do a specific job, and it is desired to have a free program for this job, then we are forced to reinvent the

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-10 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:40:41PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: s/refused/discouraged/ and I would agree. Isn't the goal of Debian providing a free system so users don't have to run any non-free software anymore? IMHO the we support non-free software clause was I think this is one of the goals

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-10 Thread Torsten Landschoff
Hi Donald, On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 07:54:54PM -0500, Donald J Bindner wrote: Well, I didn't expect to inspire such a vibrant thread! A couple of responses (not in anger, just adding some perspective). 1) free vs. non-free alternatives I use VMWare 2.0. If you think that bochs and

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-10 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Jeroen Dekkers [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20020409 20:45]: You don't have to tell me how glibc works, I develop it. Yeah, and Daniel Stone is a Linux kernel developer. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-10 Thread Mariusz Przygodzki
Od: Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do: debian-devel@lists.debian.org X-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Apr 10 11:26:22 2002 Temat: Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0 Data: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:25:53 +0200 * Jeroen Dekkers [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20020409 20:45]: You don't have

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-10 Thread Sebastian Rittau
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 05:49:55PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Isn't the goal of Debian providing a free system so users don't have to run any non-free software anymore? No, no, nonono, no, no, no. Yes, of course. That's one of Debian's main

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-10 Thread Emil Pedersen
Mariusz Przygodzki wrote: Od: Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do: debian-devel@lists.debian.org X-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Apr 10 11:26:22 2002 Temat: Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0 Data: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:25:53 +0200 * Jeroen Dekkers [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-10 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:38:13PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Tue, 09 Apr 2002, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: But does that mean they can posts question about problems with that non-free software which are not related to Debian at all (the only relation is that the user runs

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-10 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 07:54:54PM -0500, Donald J Bindner wrote: Well, I didn't expect to inspire such a vibrant thread! A couple of responses (not in anger, just adding some perspective). 1) free vs. non-free alternatives I use VMWare 2.0. If you think that bochs and Plex86 aren't

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Peter Mathiasson
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get the consequences. Debian doesn't support vmware, so go somewhere else with your vmware problems. (Debian does support plex86 and bochs, BTW) *sigh* Do you

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:37:31AM +0200, Peter Mathiasson wrote: On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get the consequences. Debian doesn't support vmware, so go somewhere else with your vmware

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 07:49:49AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:37:31AM +0200, Peter Mathiasson wrote: On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get the consequences. Debian

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:37:31AM +0200, Peter Mathiasson wrote: On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get the consequences. Debian doesn't support vmware, so go somewhere else with your vmware

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Steve M. Robbins
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:30:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:37:31AM +0200, Peter Mathiasson wrote: On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get the consequences. Debian

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Stephen Frost
* Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Do you always need to repeat this? Yes. .. And yes, I think vmware is a waste of processing power and bandwith. Those posts also waste my time. Filtering them out would save you more time, bandwidth and processing power than replying in the

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:30:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: Do you really think it's a waste of bandwidth and processing power to let the vmware users discuss a problem caused by a change in _Debian_? First of all this isn't a Debian-specific change but a change in glibc. Second vmware

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 11:10:20AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: And yes, I think vmware is a waste of processing power and bandwith. Those posts also waste my time. Filtering them out would save you more time, bandwidth and processing power than

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Peter Mathiasson
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:30:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: First of all this isn't a Debian-specific change but a change in glibc. Second vmware isn't Debian. Third Debian goes about free software, vmware isn't. This is clearly the wrong list, either go to some vmware list or go to the

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Stephen Frost
* Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: That isn't my biggest concern. Apparently. This implies, of course, that the additional bandwidth due to those messages isn't the real problem. I don't think that advocating free software is a waste of those things. Advocating free software isn't.

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Wilmer van der Gaast
Jeroen [EMAIL PROTECTED]@Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:30:54 +0200: And yes, I think vmware is a waste of processing power and bandwith. Those posts also waste my time. Writing these posts probably takes (wastes) even more time. I got GNU/Linux to boot on plex86. It'll reduce my XP1700+'s power

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 01:31:35AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:30:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: Do you really think it's a waste of bandwidth and processing power to let the vmware users discuss a problem caused by a change in _Debian_? First of all this

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 11:46:33AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: That isn't my biggest concern. Apparently. This implies, of course, that the additional bandwidth due to those messages isn't the real problem. I never claimed that. I was asked if I

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 05:34:35PM +0200, Peter Mathiasson wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:30:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: First of all this isn't a Debian-specific change but a change in glibc. Second vmware isn't Debian. Third Debian goes about free software, vmware isn't. This is

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Stephen Frost
* Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I agreed with the social contract, but I think it should be changed. Some parts are just wrong, other things are confusing. That certainly looks like a contradiction to me. How do you agree with it if you feel it's wrong? To talk about the social

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 07:29:14PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 01:31:35AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:30:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: First of all this isn't a Debian-specific change but a change in glibc. Second vmware isn't

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get the consequences. Debian doesn't support vmware, so go somewhere else with your vmware problems. (Debian does support plex86 and bochs, BTW) As this might be a

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:21:49PM -0500, Colin Watson wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 07:29:14PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 01:31:35AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:30:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: First of all this isn't a

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:25:47PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get the consequences. Debian doesn't support vmware, so go somewhere else with your vmware

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:13:25PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I agreed with the social contract, but I think it should be changed. Some parts are just wrong, other things are confusing. That certainly looks like a contradiction to me. How do

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:53:59PM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:25:47PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get the consequences.

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Stephen Stafford
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:25:47PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get the consequences. Debian doesn't support vmware, so go somewhere else with your vmware

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:45:16PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:21:49PM -0500, Colin Watson wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 07:29:14PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: Vmware isn't even in Debian. This is truely a problem of vmware itself. IMHO this isn't something

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:25:47PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: This problem is very common for non-free software. If you want to avoid such problems, you could try one of the free alternatives in Debian, plex86 and bochs. Those might have other problems (like being slower) but you probably

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:58:20PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: Of course you can say that in the social contract says Thus, although non-free software isn't a part of Debian, we support its use, but if I interpret that correctly, it just means the non-free software packages provided by

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:20:38PM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:25:47PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: This problem is very common for non-free software. If you want to avoid such problems, you could try one of the free alternatives in Debian, plex86 and bochs. Those

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:48:59PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: Hmm, I knew somebody would find something to complain about in my second try to word my opinion. I'm not even going to try to do it a third time. I'm sorry. That just doesn't wash. I read: I knew somebody would ... complain as

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Alexander Yukhimets
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:11:59PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: This problem is very common for non-free software. ... which really doesn't seem all that relevant apart from sounding good; hell, the change in nice()'s return value appears to be a problem for start-stop-daemon in dpkg, see

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:11:59PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:45:16PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:21:49PM -0500, Colin Watson wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 07:29:14PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: Vmware isn't even in Debian. This is

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Stephen Frost
* Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: By knowing the date it was written and what they actually meant instead of what they actually have written down. (For example, they meant non-free but they wrote commercial). And I'm not the only one, I know more Debian developers who don't really

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:16:07PM +0100, Stephen Stafford wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:25:47PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get the consequences. Debian

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Stephen Frost
* Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Blow off the non-free software user, no. If you have nothing to offer by way of help with vmware itself, then your silence will be enough to indicate that. And the user will never find out why he's having that problem. I don't think that not

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:30:12PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: By knowing the date it was written and what they actually meant instead of what they actually have written down. (For example, they meant non-free but they wrote commercial). And

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Stephen Stafford
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:40:41PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:16:07PM +0100, Stephen Stafford wrote: I just say the consequences of that choice, that is you're having problems with an old version and you don't have the freedom to fix that. From reading this

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 03:45:26PM +, Wilmer van der Gaast [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Jeroen [EMAIL PROTECTED]@Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:30:54 +0200: And yes, I think vmware is a waste of processing power and bandwith. Those posts also waste my time. Writing these posts probably

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Adam Heath
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Colin Watson wrote: This problem is very common for non-free software. ... which really doesn't seem all that relevant apart from sounding good; hell, the change in nice()'s return value appears to be a problem for start-stop-daemon in dpkg, see #141500, and a minor

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:27:04PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Colin Watson wrote: This problem is very common for non-free software. ... which really doesn't seem all that relevant apart from sounding good; hell, the change in nice()'s return value appears to be a

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 09 Apr 2002, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: But does that mean they can posts question about problems with that non-free software which are not related to Debian at all (the only relation is that the user runs Debian) to debian-devel? No. However, this mess all started because the *wording* in

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Adam Heath
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Ben Collins wrote: ...to bring in other fixes that aren't so easy to seperate from smaller ones. Lose the tone, it wont get you what you want. Nice is being fixed. I've said this in several of the bug reports. This whole thread just needs to die. You haven't said it

Rant about the flaming here (Was: Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0)

2002-04-09 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:52:46PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Blow off the non-free software user, no. If you have nothing to offer by way of help with vmware itself, then your silence will be enough to indicate that. And the user will

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:43:32PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Ben Collins wrote: ...to bring in other fixes that aren't so easy to seperate from smaller ones. Lose the tone, it wont get you what you want. Nice is being fixed. I've said this in several of the bug

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Stephen Frost
* Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Isn't the goal of Debian providing a free system so users don't have to run any non-free software anymore? No, no, nonono, no, no, no. I'm done. Stephen pgpMjAfoXH8OQ.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Rant about the flaming here (Was: Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0)

2002-04-09 Thread Stephen Frost
* Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: CAPSLOCK THE PROBLEM HE IS HAVING IS THAT VMWARE DOESN'T PROVIDE A PATCH FOR THE OLD VERSION HE IS USING. WITH FREE SOFTWARE, HE COULD JUST FIX THE PROBLEM ITSELF, WITH NON-FREE SOFTWARE THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE. THE CAUSE OF HIS PROBLEM IS THUS THAT HE

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Donald J Bindner
Well, I didn't expect to inspire such a vibrant thread! A couple of responses (not in anger, just adding some perspective). 1) free vs. non-free alternatives I use VMWare 2.0. If you think that bochs and Plex86 aren't viable alternatives yet, you can imagine the state of the world (2 years ago

Re: Rant about the flaming here (Was: Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0)

2002-04-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 11:42:51PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: I'm getting sick of people who can't read. Let's say the same thing for the next time. Have you ever considered that maybe the problem is with your communication skills, not with the horde of people who find your messages

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-08 Thread Donald J Bindner
On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 12:01:00AM +0100, Paul Seelig wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Phillips) writes: Petr Vandrovec wrote: As SUSv2 mandates that new nice return value is correct, please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or @GLIBC_2.2.6 as it is in CVS only) for new nice() interface, so old

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-08 Thread Bao C. Ha
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:03:11AM -0500, Donald J Bindner wrote: Hi Donald, Let me see if I understand this. I am running VMWare 2.0.4 and this morning I discovered that it dies with: VMware Workstation PANIC: AIO: NOT_IMPLEMENTED F(566):1081 This is on a relatively current

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-08 Thread Stephen Stafford
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:03:11AM -0500, Donald J Bindner wrote: On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 12:01:00AM +0100, Paul Seelig wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Phillips) writes: Petr Vandrovec wrote: As SUSv2 mandates that new nice return value is correct, please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-08 Thread Harald Dunkel
May you should consider VMware's current beta of 3.1? Good luck Harri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-08 Thread Alan Shutko
Donald J Bindner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: VMware Workstation PANIC: AIO: NOT_IMPLEMENTED F(566):1081 This is on a relatively current Woody system, and VMWare was running fine last week. Is this the same issue, and does that leave me in the sorry category? Yes, you're screwed. If

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-08 Thread Donald J Bindner
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 09:14:17PM +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote: May you should consider VMware's current beta of 3.1? That might have been an option if my VMWare sessions weren't suspended. To upgrade, they first have to be restarted with version 2.0 and shut down properly. Then they can be

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-08 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:03:11AM -0500, Donald J Bindner wrote: On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 12:01:00AM +0100, Paul Seelig wrote: Let's replace movl %eax,%ebx with xorl %ebx,%ebx ;-) Apply ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware/vmware-ws-1455-update12.tar.gz. It fixes issue for VMware 3.0 and for

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-08 Thread Bruce Stephens
Bao C. Ha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:03:11AM -0500, Donald J Bindner wrote: Hi Donald, Let me see if I understand this. I am running VMWare 2.0.4 and this morning I discovered that it dies with: VMware Workstation PANIC: AIO: NOT_IMPLEMENTED F(566):1081

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-08 Thread Donald J Bindner
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get the consequences. Debian doesn't support vmware, so go somewhere else with your vmware problems. (Debian does support plex86 and bochs, BTW) Jeroen Dekkers