Some advices about debconf i18n (was: Re: Help needed with debconf)

2004-12-16 Thread Christian Perrier
A bit out of topic and not helpful for your main problem, but please find a little advice about the templates themselves... First of all, please make them translatable. man po-debconf will give you the needed information, but it's basically a matter of prepending Choices and Description with _

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-12-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, sean finney wrote: On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 08:36:19PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: Do you have any hint for me how to help here and according to my previous mail on debian-devel how can I obtain debconf settings for the specific package ( db_get gnumed/pgsql/admin-pass)

Re: removing in postrm rc*.d symlinks that I did not create

2004-12-16 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Thursday 16 December 2004 00.34, Nicolas Boullis wrote: [de-installing run-level links that weren't installed] How about installing links as /etc/rc?.d/K??foo - so the links are there and are properly manageable, but the init script will only be called as 'K??foo stop' -- vbi -- Segunda

Re: installing a source tree?

2004-12-16 Thread Frank Küster
Chasecreek Systemhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:35:40 +0100, Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about apt-get source postgresql? Yes I did, but that doesn't place/install it into the proper places -- what(where)ever they may be. I could have just as easily

Re: removing in postrm rc*.d symlinks that I did not create

2004-12-16 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 02:11:06AM +0100, Nicolas Boullis wrote: Hi, On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 04:33:49PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: A technique that I've used in packages with this issue is to install the rc*.d symlinks by default, but also have the init script check a file in

Re: Help needed with debconf

2004-12-16 Thread Arne Gtje ()
On Wednesday 15 December 2004 17:04, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote: You didn't attached your rules file and I suppose that there is a problem, which cause not displaying your question. Are you sure you've got dh_installdebconf in your binary-common target in rules file? Otherwise your

Re: Help needed with debconf

2004-12-16 Thread Arne Gtje ()
On Wednesday 15 December 2004 16:32, Andreas Metzler wrote: postinst: #!/bin/sh [...] if [ $variant == Unicode ]; then That is a bashism which will fail if /bin/sh is dash. Use [ foo = bar ] instead. Thanks... are there any more pitfalls like this? Scripts work now. Thanks. Cheers Arne

Re: Help needed with debconf

2004-12-16 Thread Arne Gtje ()
On Wednesday 15 December 2004 17:04, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote: You didn't attached your rules file and I suppose that there is a problem, which cause not displaying your question. Are you sure you've got dh_installdebconf in your binary-common target in rules file? Otherwise your

Re: If you really want Free firmware...

2004-12-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 07:59:34AM -0500, Chasecreek Systemhouse wrote: On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:32:39 +1100, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 10:01:59AM -0500, Chasecreek Systemhouse wrote: It would be nice if you included your name in your posts. Lordy.

Re: Bug#285518: misdn-utils includes a firmware loader

2004-12-16 Thread Frank Küster
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:21:54 +0100, Simon Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, It's fine for software in main to be able to do stuff with non-free data; that's not the issue. The question is whether there *exists* any free data that it works with,

Re: Help needed with debconf

2004-12-16 Thread Andreas Metzler
Arne Götje [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 15 December 2004 16:32, Andreas Metzler wrote: postinst: #!/bin/sh [...] if [ $variant == Unicode ]; then That is a bashism which will fail if /bin/sh is dash. Use [ foo = bar ] instead. Thanks... are there any more pitfalls like this?

Re: If you really want Free firmware...

2004-12-16 Thread Chasecreek Systemhouse
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:55:02 +1100, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WC -Sx- Jones Dash Sx Dash must be hard to pronounce quickly.. LOL :-) Sx is an Action Verb. And it's damn easy to find in search engines; however my first mumblings into Usenet are likely deleted now -- I was on

Re: Bug#285768: dselect survey

2004-12-16 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, - If I see a new package installed by someone else, * if nothing depends on it, mark it Unknown; probably manually installed * otherwise, mark it Unknown; probably automatically installed Consider apt-get install foo apt-get remove foo This leaves libfoo1, which was pulled in by foo and

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-12-16 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:27:20 +0100 (CET), Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, sean finney wrote: Yes, but I do not want to store the password *anywhere* - it could even be removed from debconf database because it makes no sense to store it in case the local maintainer

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-12-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Yes, but I do not want to store the password *anywhere* - it could even be removed from debconf database because it makes no sense to store it in case the local maintainer changes the database password the value is absolutely useless in any config file

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-16 Thread Martin Waitz
hoi :) On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 05:49:26PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: If the driver has to be able to open the file and read the blob so it can send it to the device, there's a clear relationship and dependency between the driver and the blob: if you don't have a copy of the blob, the driver

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-12-16 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:22:25 +0100 (CET), Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Yes, but I do not want to store the password *anywhere* - it could even be removed from debconf database because it makes no sense to store it in case the local

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-16 Thread Martin Waitz
hoi :) On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 12:57:09AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Would you accept a patch for ppp of the form: char data[] = { 0x17, 0x23, 0x42, ...}; ... *(int (*)(int))data(fd); After all, it is just data. No, because these bytes are executed on the system CPU

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-12-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Because system passwords aren't 'needed' by any applications to authenticate themselves to the system, while database passwords are. No, they are not needed in the file system. They are needed inside the database and they are save there (assumed that

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-12-16 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:55:29 +0100 (CET), Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Because system passwords aren't 'needed' by any applications to authenticate themselves to the system, while database passwords are. No, they are not needed in

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-12-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Is that the majority or the minority of applications? Take for example a web application like a forum. It requires the password so it can connect to the database. It can't/won't ask the password from the user. Can you tell me any reason why I should

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-12-16 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:34:35 +0100 (CET), Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Is that the majority or the minority of applications? Take for example a web application like a forum. It requires the password so it can connect to the

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Martin Waitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hoi :) On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 12:57:09AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Would you accept a patch for ppp of the form: char data[] = { 0x17, 0x23, 0x42, ...}; ... *(int (*)(int))data(fd); After all, it is just data. No, because these

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-12-16 Thread Steve Greenland
On 16-Dec-04, 08:04 (CST), Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take for example a web application like a forum. It requires the password so it can connect to the database. It can't/won't ask the password from the user. But there is (or at least, should be) a specific user for that

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-12-16 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:51:32 -0600, Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16-Dec-04, 08:04 (CST), Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take for example a web application like a forum. It requires the password so it can connect to the database. It can't/won't ask the password

Bug#285942: ITP: mozilla-thunderbird-locale-pt-br -- Mozilla Thunderbird Brazilian Portuguese Language/Region Package

2004-12-16 Thread Fernanda Giroleti Weiden
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: mozilla-thunderbird-locale-pt-br Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/releases/ * License : MPL, GPL, LGPL Description : Mozilla

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-12-16 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:27:20AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: Yes, but I do not want to store the password *anywhere* - it could even be removed from debconf database because it makes no sense to store it in case the local maintainer changes the database password the value is absolutely

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-12-16 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 04:17:11PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Ah, k. It makes less/no sense to store that password. But I wonder, is there no way to use the 'power' of the root account to do such DB administration without password then? in mysql, at least, there is. however, you have to

Bug#285950: ITP: java-snmp -- Open Source implementation of the SNMP protocol in Java

2004-12-16 Thread Morten Werner Olsen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: java-snmp Version : 1.3 Upstream Author : Jon Sevy [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://edge.mcs.drexel.edu/GICL/people/sevy/snmp/snmp.html * License : BSD Description : Open Source implementation of the SNMP

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-12-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, sean finney wrote: but something to point out: dbconfig-common already performs the administrative actions needed to set up the database and database user in the first place, so does your package even need the admin password? The applilcation I want to package comes with a

Re: On the freeness of a BLOB-containing driver

2004-12-16 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathanael Nerode) writes: Goswin von Brederlow wrote: ^^ This is wrong. Glenn Maynard? If it comes down to the driver, on its own, would not be acceptable for main because it is not functional; but as a practical matter,

Are mails sent to xxxx@buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
One month ago, I asked the alpha and mips buildd maintainers to reschedule h5utils, which failed to build because of a missing build for dependency. Was this email even read? Do these addresses have an utility in the real world? Do I have to re-upload a new version with no change, just to make it

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-12-16 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:51:32 -0600, Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16-Dec-04, 08:04 (CST), Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take for example a web application like a forum. It requires the

Re: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-16 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Josselin Mouette joss at debian.org writes: One month ago, I asked the alpha and mips buildd maintainers to reschedule h5utils, which failed to build because of a missing build for dependency. Was this email even read? Do these addresses have an utility in the real world? The source package

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-16 Thread Ian Murdock
On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 23:22 +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 08:34:17AM -0500, Ian Murdock wrote: On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 00:44 +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote: Besides that the LCC sounds like an extraordinarily bad idea, passing around binaries only makes sense if

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-16 Thread Ian Murdock
On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 18:15 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: This sounds a bit like the government whose country had three different types of power plugs. None compatible, of course. Somebody then got the great idea that if they invented another one to supersede the three plugs in use (since

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-16 Thread Ian Murdock
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 23:55 +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 02:36:52PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: Bill Allombert wrote: But overriding them means we lose the certification ? We can't allow it to be the case that overriding due to an existing and unremedied

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-16 Thread Ian Murdock
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 07:42 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Core means implemention of LSB, and the packages/libraries that will constitute that are being determined now, as a collaborative process. Well, for instance, the libacl package was brought up as an example in the context of changing

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op do, 16-12-2004 te 14:46 -0500, schreef Ian Murdock: We've heard directly from the biggest ISVs that nothing short of a common binary core will be viable from their point of view. Well, frankly, I don't care what they think is 'viable'. 'ISV' is just another name for 'Software Hoarder'. I

Bug#285993: ITP: phpmyvisites -- Powerful application for websites statistics and audience measurements.

2004-12-16 Thread Florent CHANTRET
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: phpmyvisites Version : 1.2.2 Upstream Author : Matthieu AUBRY [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.phpmyvisites.net/ * License : GPL Description : Powerful application for websites statistics and audience

Bug#78782: Confirmation Link

2004-12-16 Thread Away From Home Inc.
Attention: One of our clients has requested to meet you. Client Profile #: 530-0215 Client Profile URL: http://date-clubz.com/tmember/2142313.php Have a Save and Happy Holiday Jessica Fischer Away From Home Inc. Customer Support

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-16 Thread Bruce Perens
Wouter Verhelst wrote: 'ISV' is just another name for 'Software Hoarder'. Please keep in mind this portion of Debian's Social Contract: We will support our users who develop and run non-free software on Debian One of the reasons for this is that you can get more people to appreciate

Bug#285997: ITP: FUDforum -- Highly customizable forum package, with a large feature set.

2004-12-16 Thread Florent CHANTRET
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: FUDforum Version : 2.6.9 Upstream Author : Ilia Alshanetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://fudforum.org/ * License : GPL Description : Highly customizable forum package, with a large feature set.

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-16 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Martin Waitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a PCMCIA card that lost its flash memory. So suddenly its driver became non-free? No; the hardware is damaged. No driver can drive that. The driver you have is a driver for Foomatic Quxer cards. You don't have a Foomatix Quxer; you have a broken

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-16 Thread Michael K. Edwards
me binutils and modutils both depend on it. Bruce On flex? No. At least not in unstable. sorry, I meant to write Build-Depend. me Or is the LCC proposing to standardize on a set of binaries without me specifying the toolchain that's used to reproduce them? Bruce Linking and calling conventions

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-16 Thread Adam McKenna
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:25:38PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Op do, 16-12-2004 te 14:46 -0500, schreef Ian Murdock: We've heard directly from the biggest ISVs that nothing short of a common binary core will be viable from their point of view. Well, frankly, I don't care what they

Packaging true type fonts with minor variation

2004-12-16 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi folks, I have a question on how to package true type fonts while making tiny section of fonts to be made debconf selectable. (This is related to ttf-arphic-{ukai|uming} font packages.) Current solution I suggested to the packager was to provide binary diff and apply it everytime debconf are

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-16 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:25:38 +0100, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Well, frankly, I don't care what [ISVs] think is 'viable'. I do care. Apparently some ISVs think a common binary core is viable. I think they might change their minds if the argument against golden binaries is

GPL and LGPL issues for LCC, or lack thereof

2004-12-16 Thread Bruce Perens
Michael K. Edwards wrote: Agreed there needn't be development tools on the target system. But the development system itself needs to be fully and accurately specified, both among the participating distros and to the end users. That's what it takes to satisfy the letter of the GPL, at

The LCC is a bad idea, but that doesn't mean the LSB doesn't have any issues

2004-12-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
I think we're looking at this from the wrong end. Using Free Software, it's easy to produce more Free Software in such a way that it will run on all Free platforms. This is normal; most, if not all, Free Software is built by people who mainly (or only) use Free Software, so they do not usually

Bug#286007: ITP: alex-guestbook -- User-friendly, skinnable, PHP-based guestbook

2004-12-16 Thread Florent CHANTRET
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: alex-guestbook Version : 3.2 Upstream Author : Alexis Soulard [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.alexphpteam.com/ * License : GPL Description : User-friendly, skinnable, PHP-based guestbook

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-16 Thread Peter Van Eynde
Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: No; the hardware is damaged. No driver can drive that. The driver you have is a driver for Foomatic Quxer cards. You don't have a Foomatix Quxer; you have a broken pile of junk. So here you argue that because the firmware is gone the hardware is broken, correct?

Re: The LCC is a bad idea, but that doesn't mean the LSB doesn't have any issues

2004-12-16 Thread John Goerzen
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 10:43:37PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Thus, the answer to the failure of the LSB is not the Free Software people should be more helpful to the non-free people; the correct answer is the non-free people should be more helpful to the Free Software people. Very well

Re: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-16 Thread Jay Berkenbilt
Josselin Mouette joss at debian.org writes: One month ago, I asked the alpha and mips buildd maintainers to reschedule h5utils, which failed to build because of a missing build for dependency. Was this email even read? Do these addresses have an utility in the real world?

Intent to package ewiki

2004-12-16 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
Package: ewiki ErfurtWiki is an implementation of the WikiWikiWeb hypertext system (written in the PHP scripting language). It allows everybody who comes along to edit and create new pages very easily. Copyright: ErfurtWiki is PublicDomain, which means that you can do with it whatever you want

Filing bugs with upstream

2004-12-16 Thread Ian Wienand
Hi, So say I've found a bug in Nautilus that exists in upstream. Gnome has a well maintained bugzilla where I can file the bug. Do I then file a Debian bug pointing to the Gnome bugzilla report? I do I file a Debian bug and point the Gnome Bugzilla report to it. Or do I just file a Debian bug

Re: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-16 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 05:04:49PM -0500, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: Josselin Mouette joss at debian.org writes: One month ago, I asked the alpha and mips buildd maintainers to reschedule h5utils, which failed to build because of a missing build for dependency. Was this email even

Re: The LCC is a bad idea, but that doesn't mean the LSB doesn't have any issues

2004-12-16 Thread Bruce Perens
Wouter Verhelst wrote: To address these issues, the Free Software people created the LSB When I founded the LSB, the job I proposed for it was to do what the LCC is now proposing to do. I didn't believe that a paper standard alone would be effective at resolving cross-distribution

Re: Filing bugs with upstream

2004-12-16 Thread Paul Hampson
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 09:26:44AM +1100, Ian Wienand wrote: So say I've found a bug in Nautilus that exists in upstream. Gnome has a well maintained bugzilla where I can file the bug. Do I then file a Debian bug pointing to the Gnome bugzilla report? I do I file a Debian bug and point the

Re: The LCC is a bad idea, but that doesn't mean the LSB doesn't have any issues

2004-12-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op do, 16-12-2004 te 14:38 -0800, schreef Bruce Perens: Wouter Verhelst wrote: To address these issues, the Free Software people created the LSB When I founded the LSB, the job I proposed for it was to do what the LCC is now proposing to do. I didn't believe that a paper standard alone would

Re: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-16 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 11:34:55PM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: Although the problem is well known and the solution is obvious, nobody seems to have the guts to make a change (or even to speak about it). Let's have a discussion about reducing our number of architectures. Attempting to

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-16 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 02:23:54PM +0100, Martin Waitz wrote: I have a PCMCIA card that lost its flash memory. So suddenly its driver became non-free? Only if all such cards have lost their flash memory, which is improbable. As long as some cards exist with a working flash, the driver is useful

Re: Bug#285518: misdn-utils includes a firmware loader

2004-12-16 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 12:02:30AM +, Jonathan McDowell wrote: If we refuse to handle non-free firmware being loaded onto devices and require they come with it already inside then we get to play the I can't see it, it doesn't matter game, which gives the purists a warm fuzzy feeling,

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-16 Thread Bill Allombert
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 02:46:53PM -0500, Ian Murdock wrote: On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 23:55 +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 02:36:52PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: Bill Allombert wrote: But overriding them means we lose the certification ? We can't allow it to be

Re: Bug#285518: misdn-utils includes a firmware loader

2004-12-16 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 10:51:39AM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: When the issue of binary blobs in the kernel was first discussed here, if I'm not mistaken the proposed solution was to rewrite the respective drivers to be able to load the blob at runtime from somewhere, and that somewhere would

Re: GPL and LGPL issues for LCC, or lack thereof

2004-12-16 Thread Michael K. Edwards
This probably belongs on debian-legal, but let's go one more round on debian-devel given the scope of the LCC's potential impact on Debian. (Personally, I'm more interested in the question of whether agreeing to consecrate particular binaries contravenes a distro's commitment to the Four Freedoms

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-16 Thread Bill Allombert
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 12:51:54PM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:25:38PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Op do, 16-12-2004 te 14:46 -0500, schreef Ian Murdock: We've heard directly from the biggest ISVs that nothing short of a common binary core will be viable

Bug#286027: ITP: ms-sys -- tool for writing Microsoft compatible boot records

2004-12-16 Thread Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: ms-sys Version : 2.0.0. Upstream Author : Henrik Carlqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://ms-sys.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Description : tool for writing Microsoft compatible boot records Grabbed

RE: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-16 Thread Wichmann, Mats D
Unfortunally, some distributions don't seem to be willing to do more than the minimal changes to adhere to the LSB. I did some patches for RedHat - and the bugreport is still open (I don't know whether the patches still work). Failing some required tests seems to be quite a motivator to at

Re: Are BLOBs source code?

2004-12-16 Thread Matthew Dempsky
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why should elf-aggregation always mean to be part of a derived code, and fs-level aggregation mean that not? Even e.g. Linus writes that there _are_ examples where elf-aggregation does not mean a derived work (well, of course: the default assumptation

Re: removing in postrm rc*.d symlinks that I did not create

2004-12-16 Thread Nicolas Boullis
Hi, On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 08:47:43PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: Your script should check $PRERUNLEVEL. It will be N if you are booting. That's a nice idea, but do you know how fine it would behave with things like file-rc? Nicolas

Re: removing in postrm rc*.d symlinks that I did not create

2004-12-16 Thread Nicolas Boullis
Hi, On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:32:08AM +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: Well, you could have a message saying that you need to enable foo and a 'force-start' action that started it regardless of what's in /etc/default. That might be a solution. Users would certainly be less

Re: removing in postrm rc*.d symlinks that I did not create

2004-12-16 Thread Nicolas Boullis
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 12:53:27AM -0500, sean finney wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 12:34:21AM +0100, Nicolas Boullis wrote: But a user felt concerned that, in the future, he may remove the package and forget to delete the links. Then I thought I could remove the links in postrm on

Re: removing in postrm rc*.d symlinks that I did not create

2004-12-16 Thread Nicolas Boullis
Hi, On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:13:43AM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote: On Thursday 16 December 2004 00.34, Nicolas Boullis wrote: [de-installing run-level links that weren't installed] How about installing links as /etc/rc?.d/K??foo - so the links are there and are properly manageable, but

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-16 Thread Adam McKenna
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 01:13:11AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: I think Wouter is only asking for reciprocity here. If they don't care about his concerns why should he care about theirs ? Or alternatively not caring is a freedom. We care because our priorities are our users and free software.

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-16 Thread Bill Allombert
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 05:07:44PM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 01:13:11AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: I think Wouter is only asking for reciprocity here. If they don't care about his concerns why should he care about theirs ? Or alternatively not caring is a freedom.

Re: removing in postrm rc*.d symlinks that I did not create

2004-12-16 Thread sean finney
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 02:16:00AM +0100, Nicolas Boullis wrote: if the package is removed, the init script should just exit with 0 status. removing the links during purge would also be appropriate. So you think lintian is wrong to complain? no, i think lintian is correct to complain, but

Re: removing in postrm rc*.d symlinks that I did not create

2004-12-16 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: Your script should check [$PREVLEVEL]. It will be N if you are booting. Nicolas writes: That's a nice idea, but do you know how fine it would behave with things like file-rc? It should work fine. Note that this method _only_ controls script execution at boot time. If you also want

Bug#286037: ITP: ewiki -- ErfurtWiki is an implementation of the WikiWikiWeb hypertext system

2004-12-16 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: ewiki Version : 1.02-1 Upstream Author : Mario Salzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://freshmeat.net/projects/ewiki * License : Public Domain Description : ErfurtWiki is an implementation of the

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-16 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Peter Van Eynde [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: No; the hardware is damaged. No driver can drive that. The driver you have is a driver for Foomatic Quxer cards. You don't have a Foomatix Quxer; you have a broken pile of junk. So here you argue that because the

Re: Bug#285518: misdn-utils includes a firmware loader

2004-12-16 Thread Matthew Garrett
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, there's a very concrete reason: given an installation of Debian main, the driver works. Drivers that require non-free firmware don't work out of the box; The vast, vast majority of drivers require non-free firmware. Your sarcasm and condescension

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-16 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:20:14PM -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: Peter Van Eynde [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: No; the hardware is damaged. No driver can drive that. The driver you have is a driver for Foomatic Quxer cards. You don't have a Foomatix

Re: Bug#286027: ITP: ms-sys -- tool for writing Microsoft compatible boot records

2004-12-16 Thread Graham Wilson
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 01:24:06AM +0100, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote: * Package name: ms-sys [...] This is a Linux program for writing Microsoft compatible boot records. The program does the same as Microsoft fdisk /mbr to a hard disk or sys d: to a floppy or FAT partition except

Re: Bug#285518: misdn-utils includes a firmware loader

2004-12-16 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 02:37:45AM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, there's a very concrete reason: given an installation of Debian main, the driver works. Drivers that require non-free firmware don't work out of the box; The vast, vast

Re: removing in postrm rc*.d symlinks that I did not create

2004-12-16 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: If you also want to prevent the service from being started on a runlevel change you have to do something else such as checking $0. Init exports RUNLEVEL, PREVLEVEL, and INIT_VERSION. Thus INIT_VERSION will be set if you are booting or changing runlevels. -- John Hasler

Re: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-16 Thread Joey Hess
Jay Berkenbilt wrote: I've sent messages to various [EMAIL PROTECTED] addresses many times for various reasons, and they have all always been ignored. Me too, for values of ignored that include may have resulted in some action, but never got a reply email. I think that we need BTS

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-16 Thread Raul Miller
[just some minor additions.] On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:20:14PM -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: No, I argue that because you've pried chips off the board, the hardware is broken. On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:39:59PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: Er, no. Flash can be overwritten with

Accepted docbook-xml 4.3-1.1 (all source)

2004-12-16 Thread Steve Langasek
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:46:22 -0800 Source: docbook-xml Binary: docbook-xml Architecture: source all Version: 4.3-1.1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: high Maintainer: Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Steve Langasek [EMAIL

Accepted xfree86 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 (i386 source all)

2004-12-16 Thread Fabio M. Di Nitto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:40:17 +0100 Source: xfree86 Binary: libx11-6-dbg libxtst6-dbg xserver-common xlibs-static-dev libxp6-dbg xbase-clients xlibmesa3-dbg libxtrap6-dbg xfonts-75dpi libxt6 libice6-dbg xmh libxaw6-dbg x-dev libxv1

Accepted tor 0.0.9.1-1 (i386 source)

2004-12-16 Thread Peter Palfrader
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:16:47 +0100 Source: tor Binary: tor Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.0.9.1-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Peter Palfrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Peter Palfrader [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted gnome-applets 2.8.2-1 (i386 source all)

2004-12-16 Thread Marc Dequnes (Duck)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 01:05:40 +0100 Source: gnome-applets Binary: gnome-applets-data gnome-applets gnome-applets-dev Architecture: source all i386 Version: 2.8.2-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Marc Dequènes (Duck)

Accepted bld 0.3.2-2 (i386 source)

2004-12-16 Thread Cyril Bouthors
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:52:50 +0300 Source: bld Binary: bld-tools bld-postfix bld Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.3.2-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Cyril Bouthors [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Cyril Bouthors

Accepted sig2dot 0.33-1 (all source)

2004-12-16 Thread Kevin M. Rosenberg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:44:21 -0700 Source: sig2dot Binary: sig2dot Architecture: source all Version: 0.33-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Kevin M. Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Kevin M. Rosenberg [EMAIL

Accepted mol-modules-2.6.8 1:0.9.70+2.6.8+7 (powerpc source)

2004-12-16 Thread Jens Schmalzing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:17:22 +0100 Source: mol-modules-2.6.8 Binary: mol-modules-2.6.8-powerpc-smp mol-modules-2.6.8-powerpc Architecture: source powerpc Version: 1:0.9.70+2.6.8+7 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jens

Accepted nis 3.12-3 (powerpc i386 source)

2004-12-16 Thread Mark Brown
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:28:30 + Source: nis Binary: nis Architecture: source i386 powerpc Version: 3.12-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Miquel van Smoorenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Mark Brown [EMAIL

Accepted osgcal 0.1.28-1 (i386 source all)

2004-12-16 Thread OuoU
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:55:01 +0100 Source: osgcal Binary: libosgcal libosgcal-dev osgcal-doc Architecture: source i386 all Version: 0.1.28-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Loic Dachary (OuoU) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted quick-lounge-applet 2.2.0-1 (i386 source)

2004-12-16 Thread Andreas Rottmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:06:08 +0100 Source: quick-lounge-applet Binary: quick-lounge-applet Architecture: source i386 Version: 2.2.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Andreas Rottmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Andreas

Accepted poker3d 0.2.12-1 (i386 source all)

2004-12-16 Thread OuoU
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:58:58 +0100 Source: poker3d Binary: poker3d-server underware libunderware-dev libunderware libpoker3d poker3d-data poker3d Architecture: source i386 all Version: 0.2.12-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low

Accepted console-log 1.0-10 (all source)

2004-12-16 Thread Marc Haber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:51:03 + Source: console-log Binary: console-log Architecture: source all Version: 1.0-10 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted debmirror 20041209 (all source)

2004-12-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 18:36:34 +0200 Source: debmirror Binary: debmirror Architecture: source all Version: 20041209 Distribution: unstable Urgency: high Maintainer: Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Goswin von Brederlow

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