a lot of packages, instead of
putting the conflicting packages on hold.
unattended-upgrades would be my guess. It's the only package in Debian
that I know of that does things like that. (It's independent of init
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options, which is
great. The question, in my mind, is why you're getting surprised with
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do that? My
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that I've been continuously dist-upgrading for some time precisely because
I don't want to rebuild a system from scratch.
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to get particularly excited about doing work to try to enable it, and
it feels really dubious to do it by breaking the command-line option
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remove the timestamp line and not
bother with it. It's not worth manually updating. It's not required;
having it there is just a convention.
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of capitalism in general,
you're probably not a big fan of this manifestation of it, but it's
certainly not illegal and, by capitalism rules, not unethical.
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the higher social cost than developer effort), and I think
the chances of Playboy ever caring about uses of this picture at this
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purposes.
So regardless of the merits or drawbacks of such a feature, it's rather
irrelevant to the discussion that we're having here.
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is obviously wrong.
Also, anyone who describes their own format as flawless raises HUGE red
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are there primarily to fix the version if it
was closed with an incorrect version or with no version.
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specifically for our binary package format over existing compression
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like you maintain daemon, in fact. :)
This is a little like uploading yet another MTA. People are reasonably
asking do we need *another* one?
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There are a lot of really complex things you can do with versioning and
cases where that version number is meaningful, but for the vast
majority of libraries, I recommend not worrying about
Hendrik Sattler p...@hendrik-sattler.de writes:
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Shared library symbol versioning makes the problem go away. Package
dependencies try to solve the problem at the wrong level.
The problem is rather that the package
when I changed SONAMEs anyway, and could have saved a lot of
maintenance overhead by just using this approach. I wasn't getting much
benefit from being more precise.
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I'm pretty sure Russ was indeed talking about versioned symbols at DSO
level. Having debian/symbols doesn't solve the issue at hand here.
Yup, I was talking about the DSO level. debian/symbols doesn't help
(although it's certainly nice for other things).
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Did you try using the same pristine-tar xz thing but with a different
version of xz-utils, for example the one in Trusty vs the one in Sid?
Yup, I do this all the time.
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, and way more different compression
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could only be implemented in that format, because everyone seems to want
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where the upstream maintainers are building shared libraries without
really understanding how they work, but it's so hard to properly manage
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for other reasons, and that's worthwhile.
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general client where we'd have to play nice with the normal CA roots.
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into a worthwhile security protocol. It's not
exactly trivial to work out the UI and integration problems, and it
doesn't help for people not coming from a Debian system (at least as
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contributions via email or git request-pull.
AOL.
Oh, certainly. (Well, like Neil, I've never heard of git request-pull
before this thread and have never seen anyone use it, but if someone did,
it would be an interesting learning opportunity.)
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in the long run
than if they'd tried to support both bzar and Git (and Mercurial and the
other ones that were looking viable) at the start.
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However, I still stand by the decision to only support a single VCS, at
least when you start, because you can move a lot faster and implement a
lot more functionality that people care
more
towards the GitHub pull and fork model than the Gerrit up-front code
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Funny, this is why I don't get why people are so upset that some use
GitHub. Because of how Git works, the impact of lock-in is pretty much
limited to the non-repository stuff (issues and so forth).
Yet
/pull model) running on a service like Alioth would be very
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+1. VCS agnosticism means you waste a bunch of time making each new
feature work with every supported VCS, which can include trying to
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non-free area is not part of the
Debian system...
It's RC for the package, but not for Debian. In other words, if the bug
isn't fixed, the package would be pulled from the release, but it's pretty
unlikely that it would hold up the release itself.
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Setting it up is a little like trying to set up dak yourself: it's
possible, and people have done it, but it's not common, so it's not
painless and may require a fair bit of elbow grease and some swearing.
But it is possible; I know people who have done it.
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It won't with something more complex on all architectures. I think
there are architectures (i386, maybe?) where you can link non-PIC code
into a shared library with a performance penalty
to time in various upstream projects where I
wanted to assemble a shared library from various internal helper
libraries. Take a look at all the work that Libtool does to handle
convenience libraries for exactly this reason.
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option or something. As upstream, it's already easy to tell all my code
that's systemd-aware to stub out that stuff if wanted.
But, as you say, I think it's unlikely that this is really the low-hanging
fruit for very resource-constrained embedded environments.
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could even say
that it's a primary *purpose* of that library. So, yay, I guess? The
world is much better than you had thought and already as good as the
compromise position you thought you could get!
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Or, alternately, you could research how and why one would use shared
libraries in a binary distribution to support optional features. But
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pam_motd with pam_issue. Unless that module does something different than
what its man page says it does, I don't believe this is possible.
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PasswordAuthentication (as opposed to ChallengeResponseAuthentication).
If it's instead a different variation on pam_motd, that's better. But I
think it would still be even better to make the login flow as stupid and
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certainly shouldn't remove the code that lets people do more complicated
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installed six weeks ago but never
used?
I suggested a cron job, but maybe there are better ways, like apt hooks,
dpkg triggers, etc.
A cron job is strictly worse than running it at boot in every metric that
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letting you comment on a bug, so there's some reasonable binding of
identity of the person commenting with an email address. This is not true
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Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net writes:
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I think UsePAM yes is the only sane default for Debian, though, and
people who choose to change that default are legitimately on their own.
I've used UsePAM no for many years
handling, so you lose Kerberos ticket setup, may lose account
locking and expiration, and all sorts of other stuff that is managed via
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to occasionally get wiped out.
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bcron, handle this?
It feels cleaner to me to have cron be aware that systemd-cron (or some
other package) has taken over those files, instead of making other
packages do edits of the package metadata.
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doesn't get better before the release. We should definitely sort out
the exact working instructions for what we ship with jessie and get
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although it's going to be a few years before it propagates into my current
work (where we're using Ubuntu LTS for complicated reasons).
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of standard CGI (merits of allowing that aside -- it's hard
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lots and lots of web sites assuming that behavior).
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for systemd to them again, a kitten dies. Please, think of the kittens.
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alone companies with more locked-down production environments.
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with a split / and /usr, but as we've discussed in other threads, that's
an extremely unusual configuration these days.
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I also like the idea of not having ssh depend on all local file systems
to be mounted. I think it's going to be pretty rare to have a system
that has /lib and /etc mounted but can't start ssh. In theory
that declare a dependency on mounted file
systems never start because the file systems aren't successfully mounted.
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Le 19 nov. 2014 21:33, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org a écrit :
Yes, absolutely. Likewise for cron jobs, etc. That's something that I
don't think we're doing a great job of right now, and really should
improve.
Could lintian help here
tool or not.
Personally (and this is just a wishlist), I'd love to have functionality
similar to apt-listchanges that would (optionally) show me a report of
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that mount points that are defined but
always fail will be handled differently under systemd.
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only mechanism to achieve that.
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will be circumvented when
cron triggers log rotation.
Yes, absolutely. Likewise for cron jobs, etc. That's something that I
don't think we're doing a great job of right now, and really should
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and won't start a service that's not
already running, otherwise something specifically crafted for that service
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, and sometimes dpkg-maintscript-helper) will be of limited
help.
I think I'd be inclined to do this, as a one-time migration,
Yeah, this seems like the right solution to me too. Drop a configuration
fragment in /etc/systemd that overrides the user and group and then don't
touch it again.
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situations than using invoke-rc.d. Maybe in
cases where the daemon is running but policy.d says it shouldn't be?
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Russ == Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
Russ Yeah, this seems like the right solution to me too. Drop a
Russ configuration fragment in /etc/systemd that overrides the user
Russ and group and then don't touch it again.
well, debconf
or the other.
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this into a cloud
image, everything will run properly.
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were using it based on that.
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rare, AFAIK.
Is there any other way to do it? I am not aware of any other way. If
that is the only way then it must be in use by everyone who needs it.
Maybe I am missing a better alternative?
update-rc.d service disable
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remove the wontfix tag even after I've changed my mind. :/
Closed is another matter entirely -- that means I'm pretty sure the bug
report should just go away.
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recall there being a specific good reason at the time.
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until 2020 and
there still wouldn't be any consensus. And that has its own risk.
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taking people's
arguments at face value and extending the assumption of good will that
people proposing technical solutions are doing so because they thought
about the problem and thought the solution was superior, not because of a
marketing campaign.
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