Re: FTP Team -- call for volunteers

2020-03-19 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:25:24PM -0400, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > > 2) We would be very limited in what checks we could actually do on new > > packages. If we look too closely at packages, we stop being a > > distributor, and start being a publisher. I'm not sure that we want to > > move towards

Re: FTP Team -- call for volunteers

2020-03-16 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Scott, On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 10:43:33PM +, Scott Kitterman wrote: > As long as there are people involved, a certain amount of it is > inevitable. Putting it in the requirements is bowing to reality. The > FTP Team sometimes has to make unpopular decisions and it's inevitable > that

Re: FTP Team -- call for volunteers

2020-03-15 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 08:13:37PM +0100, Alexis Murzeau wrote: > If it's just about legal risk, couldn't the responsibility of the > right to redistribute of the uploaded software be moved on the > uploader instead ? > So the uploader takes the responsibility of any redistribution of the >

Re: FTP Team -- call for volunteers

2020-03-14 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi debian-project and ftpmaster folks, On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 01:37:59PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > - cope well with flames in response to your decisions > - after training, comfortable with being on the other end of the > ftpmaster@ alias, which receives a huge volume of >

Re: help

2019-08-17 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi! On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 07:09:18PM +, seydi mouhamadou moustapha ndiaye wrote: > I'm a student in computer engineering field from africa and I look for a > mentor who can  help me to accurate my computer skills mainly on coding. > That's fantastic, it's really good to see new people

Re: Apt-secure and upgrading to bullseye

2019-07-10 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 07:51:18PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > Thanks to everyone for suggestions; I discovered "apt update" through > a Google search. > I've submitted a patch against the release notes to explicitly mention this:

Re: Let's stop using CVS for debian.org website

2016-11-21 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi there, On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 04:17:27PM +0800, Boyuan Yang wrote: > 在 2016年11月20日星期日 SGT 下午12:08:04,您写道: > > For what it's worth, there's also git-cvsimport(1) and > > git-cvsexportcommit(1) that can be used if someone really wants to > > contribute and doesn't want to touch cvs itself. > >

Re: The Spirit of Free Software, or The Reality

2015-07-16 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 07:17:03AM +0900, Mike Hommey wrote: I, myself, find our DFSG-freeness pickiness going too far, and I'm sick of this icon thing. So, here's what I'm going to do: unless I hear non-IANAL objection until the next upstream release due on august 11 (and I'm BCCing the DPL

Re: Debian books (Was: Bits from the DPL - July)

2015-07-16 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 01:11:08PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 15/07/15 at 19:37 +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: Press and articles -- Quite a bit of press and general Debian outreach in the last few weeks: * Debian Jessie book preface [0] [0] http://www.linux

Re: GitLab B.V. to host free-software GitLab for Debian project (was: debian github organization ?)

2015-04-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 01:25:42PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Sytse Sijbrandij sy...@gitlab.com writes: Awesome that you are considering to move to Git. Note that this is not “moving to Git”. A great deal of Debian development is already done using Git, and that's not going to be directly

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 03:24:18PM +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: No, the ctte did not say that. We had a flamewar about that interpretation before. That was almost word by word from

Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-26 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi, On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 09:29:28PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: 1) Heavily advertise (release-notes?) that doing an upgrade from wheezy/etc to jessie will give you systemd as init system and inform about the apt pinning solution. 3) Heavily advertise (again in release notes?) that you

Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-26 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 04:23:19PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 14:46 +, Neil McGovern wrote: Hi, On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 09:29:28PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: 1) Heavily advertise (release-notes?) that doing an upgrade from wheezy/etc to jessie will give

Re: Let's abandon debian-devel.

2014-11-11 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 01:30:58PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Andrey Rahmatullin: I know. So? If the first email of a non-DD gets delayed for a few hours, that's an acceptable price to pay IMHO. Nothing about delays wasn't mentioned in your previous email Moderating (some) emails

Re: Let's abandon debian-devel.

2014-11-11 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 02:13:20PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: On Dienstag, 11. November 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote: I'd be willing to help out. So would I. me too, should this road be chosen. Excellent. In that case, my position is now meh :) Neil -- signature.asc Description:

Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling

2014-11-10 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Nov 06, 2014 at 04:12:20PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: On Thu, Nov 06, 2014 at 04:10:13PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 11:53:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 57dd4d7c-3e92

Re: Jessie Freeze - What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-10 Thread Neil McGovern
announcement? See the debian-devel archives from mid-Fenruary 2014. According to Neil McGovern, the code name shall be zurg. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/02/msg00905.html While that was in no way official, at the time it kindof struck a chord, so I'd like us to just go

Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling

2014-11-10 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 06:12:46PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Neil McGovern writes (Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling): Indeed, unfortunately so. Given the rather rushed nature though, it would be nice to try and work out a way of avoiding having to do this manual

Re: Results for init system coupling

2014-11-04 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 02:43:13PM +, devo...@vote.debian.org wrote: This message is an automated, unofficial publication of vote results. Official results shall follow, sent in by the vote taker, namely Debian Project Secretary Whelp, that wasn't meant to happen. Apologies for the

Re: Call for Votes: General Resolution: Init system coupling

2014-11-04 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 05:53:36PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 57dd4d7c-3e92-428f-8ab7-10de5172589e [ ] Choice 1: Packages may not (in general) require a specific init system [ ] Choice 2: Support alternative init

Re: ITP: runit-init -- a UNIX init scheme with service supervision

2014-10-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 07:56:25AM +, Gerrit Pape wrote: This essentially is a reintroduction of the package runit-run, which was added to Debian end of 2002, and removed on request of the release team end of 2010, with the package name changed. Since then, a backward compatibility

Re: bash exorcism experiment ('bug' 762923 763012)

2014-10-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 03:03:05PM +0200, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Yeah, but Md is an arsehole anyway and requires printf to be a /bin/sh builtin instead of just adding /usr/bin to $PATH, especially now that the initrd mounts /usr already anyway, and CTTE decided to rather offend me than Md

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:15:17PM +0400, vita...@yourcmc.ru wrote: I'm not a Debian developer, just a Debian user, and I want to say that I was happy to see XFCE being the default DE. Just because it's small, classic and neutral DE - which GNOME 3 definitely isn't. I think XFCE is a better

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 10:43:15AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Sune Vuorela wrote: The way is to put your time/money where your mouth is and provide the code. Asking others to do all the work is not the way forward in OSS. I highly doubt you can call _me_ someone who does not do work in

Re: New project goal: Get rid of Berkeley DB (post jessie)

2014-06-20 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 12:49:52AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: So, do I understand well that it's your view that just linking with AGPLv3 make it mandatory to re-license using AGPLv3? Is there such a clause in the AGPLv3 license? No, it's required to re-licence it to AGPLv3, or an AGPLv3

Re: systemd - some more considerations

2014-04-03 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 11:12:12AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: Is this the upstream Debian wants to base its life on? According to the technical committee, and the lack of support for the GR, the answer is yes. If you don't like this answer, please put effort into doing the work to provide

Re: default init on non-Linux platforms

2014-02-19 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 11:37:08PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 06:31:12PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 07:18:30PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: [0] Can we haz a release name? Sure. It's Debian 8.0, zurg. [0] Neil [0] Note

Press updates [Was: Re: default init on non-Linux platforms]

2014-02-19 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 03:45:12PM +, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: On 19 February 2014 15:28, Ondřej Surý ond...@sury.org wrote: are you aware that media are already quoting your blogpost as official announcement of next Debian codename? Nah, wasn't aware =) I blame Neil, I thought he

Re: default init on non-Linux platforms

2014-02-18 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 07:18:30PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: [0] Can we haz a release name? Sure. It's Debian 8.0, zurg. [0] Neil [0] Note: may be a lie. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Valve games for Debian Developers

2014-01-23 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 03:01:28PM +, Ofek Rakesh wrote: Is this meant as Debian keyring as in 1. http://keyring.debian.org/ or 2. /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg but not in  /usr/share/keyrings/debian-maintainers.gpg ? It's the former, I believe. Well, more precicely:

Re: Delegation for the Release Team

2014-01-06 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 01:23:42PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: I'd like to note that the discussion on this delegation was inconclusive on a couple of points: 1) it does not include anything about defining rules for NMU delays. The last time the NMU policy was changed was in 2011. The

Re: Is GCC really wrongly optimizing code leading to several bugs and vulnerabilities?

2013-11-24 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 09:21:35PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~xi/papers/stack-sosp13.pdf Thoughts anyone? See the thread on -security starting at 52900522.9040...@affinityvision.com.au Neil -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-28 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 05:23:33PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Also, why have people been shying back from GRs like they are a plague? They are a good, and _the_, way to ask the people that make up Debian for their opinion. As someone else said in one of these threads: they don’t eat babies.

Re: Looking for ideas for merging a micro package...

2013-09-05 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:18:40PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Philipp Kern pkern at debian.org writes: I absolutely do not want to see anything related to ruby on my systems. How is that relevant for Debian? SC#4 and not forcing bad things on users. Fantastic. In that case I

Re: Longer maintainance for (former) stable releases of Debian (Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian)

2013-08-28 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 04:29:08PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 07:52:33PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: I don't really understand it myself as server packages and their dependencies tend to be stable and I tend to want the latest versions of dovecot, unbound etc..

Re: Longer maintainance for (former) stable releases of Debian (Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian)

2013-08-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:41:58AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: The challenge was: who is willing to do the work. Your answer is: me, but only everyone else helps. That doesn't answer the challenge at all. It's hard enough to get maintainers to fix bugs in current stable (backporting can

Re: Longer maintainance for (former) stable releases of Debian (Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian)

2013-08-26 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:14:25AM +0200, Balint Reczey wrote: Hi All, On 08/26/2013 09:31 AM, Mike Gabriel wrote: Hi Charles, On Di 20 Aug 2013 02:04:40 CEST Charles Plessy wrote: Altogether, it is a lot of work, but if we have enough people for doing it, think that it would be

Re: RFH: two base wheezy bugs

2013-06-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 09:49:41AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: I'm at loss with what to do with #710047. (random freeze since wheezy) For info, I'm also experiencing this. I'm having quite a bit of trouble tracking it down, though I *suspect* at the moment it may have something to do with the

Re: 7.0- 7.1: any reasons for switching from {4,5,6}.0.x scheme?

2013-06-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 04:32:47PM +0530, Praveen A wrote: Many were curious on diaspora about the change[1]. There is no rationale given in release news[2] about this change. Was there some major change in this release or did we change the version scheme? Any pointers would be welcome. Hi,

Re: 7.0- 7.1: any reasons for switching from {4,5,6}.0.x scheme?

2013-06-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 05:17:32PM +0200, Christoph Berg wrote: Re: Neil McGovern 2013-06-17 20130617111457.gg22...@halon.org.uk On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 04:32:47PM +0530, Praveen A wrote: Many were curious on diaspora about the change[1]. There is no rationale given in release news[2

Re: default MTA

2013-06-12 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 08:08:17AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 12/06/13 00:02, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2013-06-11 23:50:01 +0200 (+0200), Daniel Pocock wrote: Something that doesn't have these limitations: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2487#section-7 [...] That basically just

Re: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay)

2013-05-16 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:29:11AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: Some upstreams have a testing branch of there software and a release branch. It's sometimes useful to have people test the version in from the testing branch, and having it available in Debian makes it easier for people to test it.

Re: alternative debian/rules

2013-04-24 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 04:25:42PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi, 2013-04-22, 13:22: Thorsten, you should have kept your custom debian/rules. If it prevented incompetent developers from NMUing the package, then all good for you and for Debian. Was there

Re: alternative debian/rules

2013-04-24 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:19:48PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 04/24/2013 10:39 PM, Neil McGovern wrote: I'm sorry, but can I just clarify: do you think that it's an advantage that your custom debian/rules prevents others from understanding your package? I don't think anyone ever

Re: alternative debian/rules

2013-04-24 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 01:25:00AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 04/25/2013 12:10 AM, Neil McGovern wrote: If you're deliberately obfuscating debian/rules when there's no or very little advantage, then you shouldn't be producing the package. I'm not the one claiming that using echo and cat

Re: Derivatives, MongoDB and freezes

2013-04-23 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:58:33PM -0700, Jonathan Nieder wrote: Steve Langasek wrote: But for new packages, where Canonical is striking out on its own to deliver significant new functionality and the folks working on these packages are not DDs, there's a clear pragmatic

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-15 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 04:22:14PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: So, transitions could be avoided in a social way. No need for a freeze. Let's see how well that works - look at the very first message in this thread. Neil -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-01 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 02:38:51PM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: It is not. You can't reasonably install things from experimental rather than unstable by default, nor is there a flag for this really should be in unstable if not for badly managed release I'm getting rather annoyed by this

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-01 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 05:48:13PM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: Neil McGovern wrote: On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 02:38:51PM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: It is unreasonable to tell the users and upstreams that Debian is going to keep users on a known inferior version by default for a long time

Re: Bug#688772: [CTTE #688772] Dependency of meta-gnome on network-manager

2013-02-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 06:50:51PM -0500, Chris Knadle wrote: Instead the next suggestion was documenting this issue in the Wheey errata [2], but I don't see network- manager or wicd mentioned there, nor mentioned in the Installation Guide [3] for Wheezy. I'm guessing that's because no one

Re: Bug#688772: [CTTE #688772] Dependency of meta-gnome on network-manager

2013-02-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 01:39:44PM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote: On 27.02.2013 00:50, Chris Knadle wrote: When this was brought up in the bug report, the response was network-manager can be installed, then disabled, but how to do that wasn't documented anywhere in the network-manager

Re: [cut-team] Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-14 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 06:55:04PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: Of course there was a reason for introducing testing. And I did not propose it to go away either. It should stay for packages marked as being part of unstable at freeze time. Probably a separate repo for frozen unstable is needed.

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2013-01-02 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 03:55:22AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Wouldn't it be more simple to just choose a name and we would never ever have to talk about it again, and never ever have to process any of such unblocks? Sure thing: The next release after Jessie will be called Thomas. [0]

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-28 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:28:57PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: It is truth that there's a general movement inside RedHat to fuck-up everything. You are right, I should have mention that more clearly : it's not only about Lennart and systemd guys, and I should take the blame for not

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-28 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:15:55AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: I actually don't really take it very seriously, it just helps to waiting while things are building ... :) I actually agree it's pointless (because it's very unlikely that there will be any outcome), but I also find it fun. I'm

Re: release goal for jessie! (Re: Source-only uploads (was: procenv_0.9-1_source.changes REJECTED)

2012-11-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 01:32:16PM -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Nov 23, 2012, at 03:06 PM, YunQiang Su wrote: you always need to build for one arch and test, then why not upload it? I think there are a lot of good reasons to do source-only uploads, even when you should be building locally

Re: Bits from the release team - Freeze update

2012-11-19 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:37:42PM +0100, Benjamin Drung wrote: The version in testing has a known security vulnerability, which was fixed by upstream in their newer upstream release. I sent a more stripped debdiff to make the review easier. Removing Windows/MacOS changes and auto-generated

Wheezy-ignore for good-not-evil bugs

2012-11-16 Thread Neil McGovern
tags 692614 + wheezy-ignore tags 692619 + wheezy-ignore tags 692624 + wheezy-ignore tags 692625 + wheezy-ignore tags 692627 + wheezy-ignore tags 692628 + wheezy-ignore tags 692629 + wheezy-ignore tags 692630 + wheezy-ignore tags 692631 + wheezy-ignore tags 692613 + wheezy-ignore tags 692615 +

Re: Wheezy-ignore for good-not-evil bugs

2012-11-16 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 04:58:45PM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Neil McGovern ne...@debian.org, 2012-11-16, 15:46: These bugs aren't gonna get fixed in time - tagging ignore appropriately. Excellent. Now Mr Crockford can say that his license is good enough for Debian. No he can't. Neil

Re: Bits from the release team - Freeze update

2012-11-09 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 06:54:23AM +0100, Christian PERRIER wrote: Quoting Benjamin Drung (bdr...@debian.org): Am Donnerstag, den 08.11.2012, 20:35 + schrieb Jon Dowland: On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 08:29:02PM +0100, Benjamin Drung wrote: Hm, I filed two unblock requests after that

Re: Bits from the release team - Freeze update

2012-11-08 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 08:09:51PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Neil McGovern wrote: Unblocks and Freeze Policy -- ... We're also reducing the acceptance criteria [RM:POLICY] - we're now only going to accept: ... Which policy

Re: Bits from the release team - Freeze update

2012-11-08 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 05:18:55PM +, Jon Dowland wrote: On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 10:40:18PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: Which policy applies to #685913 (and all the other open unblocks)? The policy announced at the beginning of the freeze or the current policy? …or the time the unblock was

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-05 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 12:36:36PM -0400, W. Anderson wrote: It is somewhat surprising and a little disappointing that Debian, or any other GNU/Linux distribution would be making statements that, in effect, give great public support to AMD in regard Linux, when the company has for many years

Re: Fixing the mime horror ini Debian

2012-07-15 Thread Neil McGovern
. Thanks, Neil On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 04:34:35PM -0600, Neil McGovern wrote: Hence, I consider this bug serious and thus RC, and am reassigning to evince. Feel free to pop it over to tech-ctte if you don't agree. Thanks, Neil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: Fixing the mime horror ini Debian

2012-07-14 Thread Neil McGovern
severity 658139 serious reassign 658139 evince tags 658139 + patch retitle 658139 missing mime entry On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 12:09:27AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: It does seem quite annoying. Have you considered asking the release team whether they would be inclined to agree that this bug

Re: Fixing the mime horror ini Debian

2012-07-13 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 06:13:43PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: can we somehome make $subject a target for the *next* release? Hi, Please consider making this a release goal when we call for them after the release. Thanks, Neil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: CD sizes again (and BoF reminder!)

2012-07-09 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 04:22:58PM -0600, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Ansgar has been experimenting with .deb sizes to make the packages needed for a minimal desktop installation fit in the first CD. It looks like that's doable by switching to xz compression for the involved binaries. Would

Re: Bug#679236: O: ckport -- portability analysis and security checking tool

2012-07-06 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 02:49:54PM +0200, Philipp Schafft wrote: PS: Release wasn't helpful in this case as well. They tell me they have no opinion and are not interested in getting this fixed for stable (was asking *before* freeze). I'm not mad on anyone of them personally, just I don't think

Re: Bug#679235: RFA: animals -- Traditional AI animal guessing engine using a binary tree DB

2012-06-28 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 05:33:41PM +, The Fungi wrote: On 2012-06-27 11:11:12 -0600 (-0600), Holger Levsen wrote: what??? -v please. [...] Presumably a reference to http://bugs.debian.org/674634 . Given the timing, probably also due to my reply to the short thread starting at:

Re: On the (ab)use of the Urgency field

2012-06-26 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:08:53PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: As mentioned in the last mail we sent to d-d-a (and several at various points before that) if you have serious concerns that important updates to your package won't be included in the release, the correct approach is to talk to

Re: Bits from the Release Team: Final countdown!

2012-06-26 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 06:04:20PM +0200, Agustin Martin wrote: Will stuff already in the NEW queue not being really new packages (I mean things like source or binary package renames) be given some special consideration regarding the freeze? Hi, Anything in the NEW queue will not count

Re: switching from exim to postfix

2012-05-08 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 03:13:48AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: Is this the right time to do it? No, we're about to freeze. I would try and dig out the discussion from last time, when we were about to freeze, but I'm not sure it's worth it. If you want to do this, then please look at it during

Re: A few observations about systemd

2011-07-18 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:54:16AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Moritz Mühlenhoff j...@inutil.org writes: There're other blockers beside systemd to KFreeBSD being a full Debian port, e.g. the lack of KMS in Xorg. Even the guy who gave a talk von FreeBSD at last year's DebConf didn't use

Ask the Leader - QA session for the DPL at Debconf

2011-07-17 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi all, One of the events at DebConf that I'm running is a 'Ask the Leader' session. This is a town hall meeting event, where you have the opportunity to ask the DPL anything you want! To make sure we have enough questions on a broad range of topics, I'd like to get some prepared questions

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:51:02AM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: Sprint -- We feel it would be useful for the Release Team as a whole to get together to think about what the plans are for the next release. As such, we're planning a sprint to meet in person. Details will follow once diaries

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-30 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 08:50:39PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: 2/ The discussion is also about better supporting testing using t-p-u more extensively to bring important fixes (or important new upstream versions) that are blocked in unstable. It would be unreasonable to ask Debian developers

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-30 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 12:27:10AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Why would it be the release team's responsibility to cherry-pick from anywhere? It is the maintainer's responsibility to prepare packages that are suitable for the next stable release. I don't see why this would change. Hi

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-09 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:51:02AM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: Retrospective - The first thing we would like to do is to consider how the previous release went. We'd like to know what went well, what went badly, and what to improve for the next release. Once again, we will use

Re: time based freezes

2011-04-05 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 12:12:09PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Monday, April 04, 2011 12:05:09 PM Neil McGovern wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 08:38:18AM +0200, Carsten Hey wrote: One thing that the release team already is improving is communication, [snip] The other thing

Re: time based freezes

2011-04-04 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 08:38:18AM +0200, Carsten Hey wrote: One thing that the release team already is improving is communication, [snip] The other thing that has potential to be improved is the freezing. [snip] I also note a lack of replies to feedb...@release.debian.org - these mails are

Three common voting errors - how to avoid them

2010-10-05 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 08:47:49PM +0100, Debian Project Secretary - Neil McGovern wrote: In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1. Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. You may rank options equally (as long as all choices X you make are 1 or 2). Please make

Re: Three common voting errors - how to avoid them

2010-10-05 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 07:20:14PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: On 10/05/2010 02:34 PM, Neil McGovern wrote: Then mail the ballot to: gr_nonpackag...@vote.debian.org. This means it shouldn't be sent to secret...@debian.org. I'm re-attaching the ballot below, with a Reply-To set

Re: Bug#505111: will suggest removal from testing

2010-08-07 Thread Neil McGovern
Well, it seems that other people haven't taken an interest in the bug, and we've now frozen, again. As there isn't a resolution in sight, I'll add a hint at the end of August for the removal of the package unless there's significant progress to fixing the issue. Neil -- liw the hacklab room is

courier-authlib shlibs missing

2010-08-05 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi, With regards to #554788, is there a chance that this could be fixed, or even replied to? I really would rather not remove courier from testing. Neil -- enrico What is a sane place to look for washing machines around Manchester? mhy enrico: the canals :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Unidentified subject!

2010-08-02 Thread Neil McGovern
pkg-clamav-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org Bcc: Subject: ClamAV supportability in stable releases Reply-To: Hi, The release team have been asked to remove ClamAV from testing (and hence the next stable release. See bug #587058. The issue seems to be that it's not supportable in stable due to

Re: Bug#571041: ITP: dreampie -- advanced Python shell

2010-02-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:48:11AM +0100, Luca Falavigna wrote: Description : advanced Python shell This Python shell permits to work in a more productive way with Python interpreter providing features not yet implemented in standard IDLE. This short and long description need quite a

Re: GPL-licensed software linked against libssl on buildds!

2010-01-20 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 02:36:08PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Neil McGovern ne...@debian.org writes: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:59:35AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: This is a bug in the netatalk Debian packaging. You cannot assume the package will be built in a clean chroot; among other

Re: GPL-licensed software linked against libssl on buildds!

2010-01-20 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:32:17PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: Would it be time to start looking at LVM snapshops + sbuild perhaps? we already have two or three buildds doing that... The buildd team (esp. HE) working on that and if it works out to be stable enough, we can see if we can

Re: GPL-licensed software linked against libssl on buildds!

2010-01-19 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:59:35AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: This is a bug in the netatalk Debian packaging. You cannot assume the package will be built in a clean chroot; among other things, the buildd software explicitly does not guarantee that all packages will be removed. Would it be

Re: rebuild test of Debian packages with GCC trunk 20100107

2010-01-15 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 02:46:25AM +0100, Matthias Klose wrote: doesn't matter. GCC-4.5 won't be the default for squeeze. if the GCC-4.5 release is done before the squeeze freeze, then it will be uploaded to unstable and enabled to build for architectures where it doesn't show regressions

Re: Possible MBF wrt common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-10 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Nov 07, 2009 at 03:23:22PM +0100, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: Full ack, and I even like /usr/share/www. It's easy to understand and pretty unprobable that we'd have a package called www in the archive some day needing this location. Sorry, I have to disagree with this approach. We would

Re: transitioning from a single to split package

2009-11-02 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Nov 01, 2009 at 12:25:51PM +0100, Penny Leach wrote: The problem we've come across is how to handle migrations. If we have a moodle package, that depends on moodle-mysql | moodle-pgsql, then package managers that just install the first dependency, could cause a situation, for example,

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

2009-11-02 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 02:48:56PM +0100, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: Should the web configuration be enabled by default? Assume apache2, and add configuration to /etc/apache2/conf.d/munin.conf? Have a read of http://webapps-common.alioth.debian.org/draft/html/ch-httpd.html Neil --

Re: udev and /usr

2009-09-01 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 04:47:54PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mardi 01 septembre 2009 à 15:36 +0100, Chris Jackson a écrit : Well, /etc needs to be on /, since otherwise you can't get to fstab to mount it, and generally things like /etc/hostname will be different, so, while I

Webapps policy: final RFC

2009-08-10 Thread Neil McGovern
-DRAFT.sgml?view=log Comments appreciated, I'd like to get these all in and integrated by end of August, to push to the policy team for inclusion. Thanks, Neil McGovern -- automake: the emo of Debian software. You just don't understand me. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Non-unified patches and dpkg source format ‘3.0 (quilt)’.

2009-08-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:45:14AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Giving a standard interface to reviewers is a laudable goal, but I do not see reviewers except in elaborate scenarios about security. Therefore I will not trade a real benefit for a hypothetical one, even if both are neglectible.

Re: upgrading dbus or running the init script kills X

2009-07-24 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi all, Just to re-iterate from a release team PoV, this could really do with fixing. (for d-d readers, this is a awesome bug, where dbus upgrades kill X) This is holding up xcb-util, which is holding up python-visual, which is preventing the removal (finally!) of GTK 1 Thanks, Neil -- pixie

Re: upgrading dbus or running the init script kills X

2009-07-24 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 01:50:02PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: Just to re-iterate from a release team PoV, this could really do with fixing. (for d-d readers, this is a awesome bug, where dbus upgrades kill X) This is holding up xcb-util, which is holding up python-visual, which

Re: Removal of remaining packages using GTK 1.2

2009-05-28 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:12:04PM +0200, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: icewm linpopup wmclockmon cheops codebreaker gaby dbmix gcrontab gbuffy gcvs gcx geg gman gps gqcam gtkpool libjsw i2e mah-jong mbrowse predict xemacs21 swami xoscope xscorch All removed ledcontrol

Re: debian/copyright verbosity

2009-04-16 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:53:58PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: That would be premature. As I understand it, we're waiting on (and I'm actively soliciting) input for other purposes of the information in the ‘debian/copyright’ file; not least from the legal counsel at SPI. I could be wrong, but

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