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Russ You're correct, although it's very close. It will be
Russ possible with the 1.4.1 release (and is almost possible
Russ right now but openafs-krb5 is too old; I'm waiting for the
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Well, one practical concern is that it makes it harder for other
utilities like lintian to analyze the package properly.
Well, that's an argument I don't like. Those are tools that help us
svnlog program for
Subversion uses.)
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C'mon, this is a free software project. The obvious first step for
providing better infrastructure would be to make that infrastructure
publically available for anyone to download, play with, hack
right now, partly due to the documentation licensing issues, whereas the
list of orphaned packages is much smaller and easier to look over.
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in some sort of
automated fashion? It does seem like a package maintainer is generally
going to know this sort of thing, and I hate to bother busy buildd
maintainers with this kind of thing if I could do it myself.
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that your stuff is better,
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It's the minimal bar to meet, and it's not even interesting to have a
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some
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easiest thing to work through.
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Funny, I just did a Google search for
site:www.debian.org cvs repository www.debian.org
and there it was, plain as day.
That implies that you already know/suspect it is in cvs.
Goswin, with all due
.
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Assuming nothing is wrong, you may need to wait up to 24 hours for that
to take effect.
Hm, I *thought* it had been several weeks already, actually. But maybe
I'm confused and I just got added and I'm misremembering thinking that was
done a while ago.
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that this is the case. If your package has
gone for more than two weeks, it seems to me like you could decide to
treat it in all respects as if it had been rejected and just go on with
your life. If it ends up getting accepted, you could orphan it, or decide
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A simple assurance that your package will be rejected from the NEW queue
if no ftp-master approves it within 2 weeks would actually be a benefit.
Why?
It seems like
this argument. :)
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because that's what upstream did. The -j
flag is present upstream as of 1.13.18.
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could
be created during the boot process, then moved to /var/run and removed
again once /var is available, making it a transient aspect of the boot
process and not hanging around as a new top-level directory.
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Yeah, I agree with this too.
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, and then it will be
free. And then one could have a more meaningful conversation about where
it should fit into buildd.debian.org.
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people's preferences are wrong.)
On the other hand, I don't consider it a major issue and can live with
whatever decision people come to, which is why I voted both alternatives
above further discussion in the straw poll experiment. :)
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Also, I think this is a little silly for small packages. My experience
with this sort of volunteer work in other areas is that if one person
does nearly all the work on a regular basis, you're not gaining that
much by having
of the existing bugs if there are
more than a hundred of them. (debbugs's strong point is handling a small
number of bugs on *lots* of different packages; I find it somewhat
difficult to follow when dealing with a *lot* of bugs on a single
package.)
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* Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005:12:22 09:14 -0800]:
(debbugs's strong point is handling a small number of bugs on *lots* of
different packages; I find it somewhat difficult to follow when dealing
with a *lot* of bugs on a single package.)
OT
very
important to anyone running AFS and kerberos.
Not really.
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Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
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* Package name: svn2cl
Version : 0.4
Upstream Author : Arthur de Jong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* License : BSD (3-clause)
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, so I'm going to point
him at my package and probably won't end up maintaining it myself.
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gnubg
I've adopted gnubg with Corrin's permission and this is now fixed in the
version just uploaded yesterday.
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by this system, which seems to fit the
bill.
I vote for this. At Stanford, we're slowly trying to migrate local data
for services running on the machine into /srv. It's the Right Thing from
the FHS perspective so far as I can tell.
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free. *shrug*. I actually believe
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the general commons, all the code and effort is basically wasted in
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They're investing in writing better tools, and they're keeping them
private so as to maintain a competative advantage with them over Red
Hat, SuSE, Fedora, and so forth. Including Debian
why they did that, but I'd patch Configure to
remove -nostdlib in the maketop function that writes out the Makefile.
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this
thread). The versions of everything in sarge aren't set up to support
256-bit AES as the only supported enctype, but this will probably work in
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* Russ Allbery:
Debian isn't perfect at this. There are portions of the Debian
infrastructure where the exact version that Debian is running are not
necessarily available. However, these are generally considered within
the project to be anomolies
different needs than the majority of packages in
Debian.
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that you deploy and
depend on closed-source tools, the less interesting Ubuntu is to me
personally. (It's quite likely that you don't care, and that's fine. I
don't really expect you to.)
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The thing is... most of the orphaned packages are in fairly good shape.
How do you know?
Well, because at one point I went through the PTS for each one of them,
checked for filed bugs, checked lintian reports, etc. I haven't
we're jealous, *listen* to what
we're actually saying, and help synchronize the hard cases.
All this nattering on mailing lists doesn't make the software any better.
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orientation may be different from your own.
Er, I thought it was offensive because it was sexist, not because there's
anything wrong with being lesbian.
Regardless, I think this was pretty much the poster child for two wrongs
don't make a right.
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Er, I thought it was offensive because it was sexist, not because
there's anything wrong with being lesbian.
Umm, the fact that the phrase You like looking
be
incorporated in Debian, and nothing makes that impossible faster than
changes like autotools modifications.
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surely that's a regular bug report that maintainers should then deal with
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written in Perl in
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parses the default realm out of an existing /etc/krb5.conf file. It's
possible to rewrite that code in sed (I've done it), but it's not quite as
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everything that currently uses imake
switches to some other build system (even if that's been in progress for
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into a MUST in policy and have dpkg-buildpackage
check the Standards-Version
Checking the standards version for this sort of thing seems rather evil to
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It's not fun work; it's painful, tedious, and exceedingly boring, and I
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and this paragraph are preserved on all copies. This software is
provided as is with no express or implied warranty.
That license doesn't appear to grant the right to distribute modified
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Copyright (C) 1992-1996 Gnanasekaran Swaminathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Permission is granted to use at your own risk
looking at the cost of removing it. The inherent merits of
the language rarely end up being a decisive factor.
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actually finish. The few that are often
introduce lots of new bugs in exchange for the old, known, worked-around
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pages with Linux rather than separately in the
manpages-dev package; the userspace API is often not exactly the system
call exposed by the kernel, since libc mediates the system call and often
does some rejiggering of data types in the process.
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breaks anything in the DFSG, and it means one less controversial grey area
decision that we have to make all the time.
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problem it would really solve.
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this in packages that use AC_CANONICAL_HOST. Is
there benefit to doing this even with packages that don't care at all
about the system type and don't even include config.guess and config.sub
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a script that the user runs called configure but the
script isn't an Autoconf script, but I'm not sure if that happens for any
of our packages.)
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Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Please just add the recommended --host and --build makefile snippet
and feed that to configure in *all* packages. It is better in the
long run, and for many packages
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`--host=HOST-TYPE'
the type of system on which the package will run. By default it
is the same as the build machine. Specifying it enables the
cross-compilation mode.
There's a long archived
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That's the old way. Autoconf changed this in the current releases.
Now, specifying --host signals that you're cross-compiling, whether it
disagrees or not.
Yes, this was not a backward compatible change
if Mozilla has put a ton
of work into that already -- I'm fairly sure that the example could be
replaced by dozens of other large packages if need be.)
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to do a new upload with the maintainer set to the QA group. I
had no idea that those were orphaned. See:
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ch-pkgs.en.html#s-orphaning
although it could perhaps be slightly more explicit.
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to be an integral part of the Debian QA process and
wouldn't want to do without it.
US export legislation is the reason why we don't make things in NEW
publically available until after they've been processed, but that's a
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installations)?
If you think this is a huge problem with Debian, then for heaven's sake go
work on it! If you run into a maintainer who doesn't want your help, move
on and try another maintainer. It's not like we've already taken care of
all of the low-hanging fruit.
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Debianized by Robert S. Edmonds [EMAIL PROTECTED]1998-03-21
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it appears to be set incorrectly.
Solaris's /bin/sh isn't a particularly good example, as it's one of the
most completely broken Bourne shells shipped with a modern OS. It doesn't
even try to be POSIX-compliant.
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, or alternately
something that I can add that explains those potential problems for module
authors, I'd be very happy to update this text.
Is the concern the lack of specificity about the version of Perl and
therefore the exact license referred to?
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Nunya [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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Because Christians are the people who primarily take offense at this
sort of thing in the context that we were discussing in this portion of
the thread.
That's another opinion expressed
Hat boat anchor is a
horrible, horrible idea.
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this problem, and make it just as easy for
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and understand all the connecting words.
Certainly, that's my problem for not being attentive enough, but it's
worth making it easier on the poor sap in a hurry. That effect is even
worse when the phrasing is more drawn-out, like If X, you should not say
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to the original upstream release that isn't
accurate.
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more words
into the changelog file giving information that the maintainer clearly
already has (since otherwise they wouldn't know that they could close the
bug), and which is obviously useful for users.
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Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Without, that is, installing every package in Debian.
I'm curious, for instance, as to why emacs20 hasn't managed to be
removed yet. Presumably something depends on it. But I can't figure
out what.
apt-cache rdepends package
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Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:51:47 -0800, Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Well, it depends on what mythology you're working from. In the
Christian mythology, which is probably the dominant context for
evaluating that sort of question,
And, pray
Andrew Donnellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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No. It says you may do this *if* you aren't shipping your GPLed
binaries together with those libraries.
Hmmm. Would this include 'mere aggregation'?
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linked against the Solaris libc libraries with their GPL-incompatible
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clauses potentially won't have this issue once GPLv3 is formally released,
although I haven't analyzed it in detail.
dpkg is one of the packages with an or later version clause.
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version numbers that contain a colon (other than the epoch colon). I'd
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of the people
who has to page through lengthy changelogs.
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Why would you want to do that?
Usually because the binaries shipped with the package use internal,
undocumented interfaces that are not available to the rest of the world
and hence are not considered part of the SONAME (i.e., upstream doesn't
bump the SONAME when they change).
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Is there a way to force a specific library version known in
${shlibs:Depends} ?
Using Depends: ${shlibs:Depends} is not really fine, if I want to
force the library to be upgraded when
). But if there is a standard format that
someone knows, it would be great to have that as a patch to Bug#316485.
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