Re: Part III BIN=? AW: Anybody familiar with dd (copy)?

2023-11-12 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 12:16 PM Schwibinger Michael wrote: > Good morning > > I did try it > with a good DVD > > dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/tmp/dvd.bin bs=1M > > And this did work. > > I tried with the bad DVD > > Bug. > Message Cannot read file Read write problem. > > What do I do wrong. > > And how

Re: claws-mail

2023-11-12 Thread Marco Moock
Am 13.11.2023 um 04:39:02 Uhr schrieb mike.junk...@att.net: > Linux MikesPI 6.1.0-rpi4-rpi-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 1:6.1.54-1+rpt2 > (2023-10-05) aarch64 GNU/Linux This install didn't include exim4, > postfix or anything supplying sendmail and fetchmail won't work > without an MTA. I've set up

Re: claws-mail

2023-11-12 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 04:39:02 + (UTC) mike.junk...@att.net wrote: Hello mike.junk...@att.net, >I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to get claws-mail working Head over to https://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users Maybe even subscribe to their list. Expect to have to give

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-12 Thread tomas
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 03:17:17PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > FOSS is great for learning by doing, but commercial products can be a better > > choice when a family member, a friend, a neighbor, and especially clients > > and employers, want a computer, a server, a network gateway, etc.. It

Re: midnight commander

2023-11-12 Thread David
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 04:33, wrote: > I'm running bookworm on a RaspberryPi 4b. > mike@rpi4b3:~> uname -a > Linux MikesPI 6.1.0-rpi4-rpi-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 1:6.1.54-1+rpt2 > (2023-10-05) aarch64 GNU/Linux > There are a couple of things I don't understand and am hoping one of >

Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

2023-11-12 Thread Susmita/Rajib
Apologies for the inadvertent typo. Corrigendum: May the phrase: "... MHonArc is only about conversion of our emails into cross-linked email format ..." Be read as "... MHonArc is only about conversion of our emails into cross-linked HTML format ..." -- __

claws-mail

2023-11-12 Thread mike . junk . 46
I'm running bookworm on a Raspberry Pi 4b. mike@rpi4b3:~> uname -a Linux MikesPI 6.1.0-rpi4-rpi-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 1:6.1.54-1+rpt2 (2023-10-05) aarch64 GNU/Linux This install didn't include exim4, postfix or anything supplying sendmail and fetchmail won't work without an MTA. I've

midnight commander

2023-11-12 Thread mike . junk . 46
I'm running bookworm on a RaspberryPi 4b. mike@rpi4b3:~> uname -a Linux MikesPI 6.1.0-rpi4-rpi-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 1:6.1.54-1+rpt2 (2023-10-05) aarch64 GNU/Linux There are a couple of things I don't understand and am hoping one of you out there can clue me in or at least suggest a

Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

2023-11-12 Thread Susmita/Rajib
May please the concerned portions of https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/11/msg00443.html be perused, as a part of my conversation with Mr. Cater, also quoted below: "... There is one problem with this approach, as stated earlier. For the Mailing list, any change of subject from my Gmail

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

2023-11-12 Thread gene heskett
On 11/12/23 09:29, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:46:46AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: I do tend to rely on the knowledge and expertise here: Greg - how would you rate the chances of physical copies of your Bash guides, for example? It is an interesting question to

Re: Amazing how far things have come. a 32x100G switch running Debian.

2023-11-12 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev
On 12.11.2023 23:34, Andy Smith wrote: On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 05:48:27PM +, Andy Smith wrote: Well done Mellanox, and Debian. I hope to see more of it! …although I did forget that Nvidia acquired Mellanox in 2019 and since then has scrapped the Mellanox brand name, so the good times are

Re: USB2 not working after upgrading to bookworm

2023-11-12 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 12 Nov 2023 19:25 +, from r...@rptv.info (Rafa): > I have an issue regarding USB2 after upgrading a desktop machine from > Debian 11 (bullseye) to Debian 12 (bookworm). > > USB3 ports work fine, but USB2 ports do not. > > I still have bullseye installed in the machine and when I boot

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-12 Thread Stefan Monnier
> FOSS is great for learning by doing, but commercial products can be a better > choice when a family member, a friend, a neighbor, and especially clients > and employers, want a computer, a server, a network gateway, etc.. It is > ironically satisfying when those commercial products have FOSS on

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

2023-11-12 Thread David Christensen
On 11/11/23 22:35, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: I have been looking for commercial books written about Debian and there is very little selection. I am considering writing an updated Debian GNU/Linux Bible for Bookworm/Trixie. Before I started writing it I was wondering if anyone would even be

USB2 not working after upgrading to bookworm

2023-11-12 Thread Rafa
Hi, I have an issue regarding USB2 after upgrading a desktop machine from Debian 11 (bullseye) to Debian 12 (bookworm). USB3 ports work fine, but USB2 ports do not. I still have bullseye installed in the machine and when I boot bullseye I can use both USB2 and USB3. But when I boot bookworm I

Re: Default DNS lookup command?

2023-11-12 Thread Richard Hector
On 31/10/23 16:27, Max Nikulin wrote: On 30/10/2023 14:03, Richard Hector wrote: On 24/10/23 06:01, Max Nikulin wrote: getent -s dns hosts zircon Ah, thanks. But I don't feel too bad about not finding that ... 'service' is not defined in that file, 'dns' doesn't occur, and searching for

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-12 Thread David Christensen
On 11/12/23 09:15, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 04:01:47PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: An obvious difference between internal and external drives is physical protection. Internal drives and cables are protected. Everything gets power from the same source (PSU, PCU fed

Re: systemd service oddness with openvpn

2023-11-12 Thread Richard Hector
On 12/11/23 04:47, Kamil Jońca wrote: Richard Hector writes: Hi all, I have a machine that runs as an openvpn server. It works fine; the VPN stays up. Are you sure? Have you client conneted and so on? Yes. I can ssh to the machines at the other end. However, after running for a while,

Re: UUID permanent at removable device?

2023-11-12 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Hans wrote: > I want to automatically create a bootable USB-stick using dd from an > ISO-file. The landscape of ISO files is wide and varied. An URL for getting the ISO would help to make more specific statements. > However, after generating the stick the UUID of the first partition >

Re: [SOLVED] Re: UUID permanent at removable device?

2023-11-12 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 07:43:13PM +0100, Hans wrote: > Am Sonntag, 12. November 2023, 19:27:20 CET schrieb Andy Smith: > Yes, this is looking promising. Looks like thisis what I exactly need. I am still intrigued by the idea of an iso file having a UUID when it's written directly to a USB

Re: UUID permanent at removable device?

2023-11-12 Thread David Wright
On Sun 12 Nov 2023 at 18:27:20 (+), Andy Smith wrote: > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 07:03:41PM +0100, Hans wrote: > > I want to dd it automatically like > > > > dd if=/path/to/my/image.iso of=UUID=34567890-afde-.-1234 > > If your use case is writing an ISO file directly to a USB device (no

[SOLVED] Re: UUID permanent at removable device?

2023-11-12 Thread Hans
Am Sonntag, 12. November 2023, 19:27:20 CET schrieb Andy Smith: Yes, this is looking promising. Looks like thisis what I exactly need. I will try it. Thanks for the fast response! Best Hans > Hello, > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 07:03:41PM +0100, Hans wrote: > > I want to dd it automatically

Re: UUID permanent at removable device?

2023-11-12 Thread Hans
Hi Andy, to make things more clear. This is what I want to do: I am using bootcdwrite, which writes its cdimage.iso to a mounted (because of to few disk space) to a mounted external harddrive. This one got a UUID, which never changes, so I can mount it automatically. All this is working

Re: Amazing how far things have come. a 32x100G switch running Debian.

2023-11-12 Thread Andy Smith
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 05:48:27PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Well done Mellanox, and Debian. I hope to see more of it! …although I did forget that Nvidia acquired Mellanox in 2019 and since then has scrapped the Mellanox brand name, so the good times are probably over. 

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-12 Thread David Christensen
On 11/12/23 05:15, Andy Smith wrote: On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 04:01:47PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: SSD RAID10 is very impressive when everything else matches. Backups over a Gigabit LAN onto SATA III SSD RAID10 does not make sense because Gigabit Ethernet is rated for 1 Gbps read/ write

Re: UUID permanent at removable device?

2023-11-12 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 07:03:41PM +0100, Hans wrote: > I want to dd it automatically like > > dd if=/path/to/my/image.iso of=UUID=34567890-afde-.-1234 If your use case is writing an ISO file directly to a USB device (no partitioning) then I'd think you could use the ID of the USB

Re: UUID permanent at removable device?

2023-11-12 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, TL;DR: Use filesystem labels. This is the sort of thing they're for. On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 06:55:33PM +0100, Hans wrote: > However, after generating the stick the UUID of the first partition > (/dev/sdc1) > is changing, so next time, the script will not work again, of course. Do you

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

2023-11-12 Thread Aleix Piulachs
I think the books help some commands and software, for me are good to start with El El dom, 12 nov 2023 a las 15:51, Greg Wooledge escribió: > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 02:28:33PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:46:46AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > I do tend to

Re: UUID permanent at removable device?

2023-11-12 Thread Hans
Correct myself: NOT: > As I want to always the same USB-stick, I would like to mount it using a shell script. > I want to dd it automatically like dd if=/path/to/my/image.iso of=UUID=34567890-afde-.-1234 or similar. Sorry for making things unclear. Hans

Re: Password managers

2023-11-12 Thread Hans
Am Sonntag, 12. November 2023, 18:23:20 CET schrieb Joe: What about kwallet? Should run on other window managers than plasma5 as well. Hans

UUID permanent at removable device?

2023-11-12 Thread Hans
Hi folks, just a question. I want to automatically create a bootable USB-stick using dd from an ISO-file. As I want to always the same USB-stick, I would like to mount it using a shell script. However, after generating the stick the UUID of the first partition (/dev/sdc1) is changing, so

Amazing how far things have come. a 32x100G switch running Debian.

2023-11-12 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, I came across this article today and it made me really happy to see. A 32x100G switch with open source, upstreamed drivers, running Debian. All aspects of the port settings, VLANs, etc all configured using standard Linux tools. Well done Mellanox, and Debian. I hope to see more of it!

Re: Password managers

2023-11-12 Thread Joe
On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 22:07:33 +0700 Max Nikulin wrote: > On 10/11/2023 01:48, Michael Kjörling wrote: > > KeepassXC if you want a primarily GUI solution which also happens to > > be open source. (There's also a command-line version keepassxc-cli > > which can either be driven from the command

Re: [HS] alternative à Signal sous Debian et SANS smartphone

2023-11-12 Thread Samy (Zaclys)
Bonjour, Le 11/11/2023 à 10:53, Jean Louis Giraud Desrondiers a écrit : J'essaie d'aider une amie qui souhaite installer sur son portable (sous Mint) une appli de chat : on a bien trouvé un tuto pour installer Signal mais je n'ai pas réussi l'installation. Donc nous essayons de trouver une

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-12 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 04:01:47PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: > On 11/11/23 08:52, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 10:22:07PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > > On 11/10/23 19:46, David Christensen wrote: > > > > On 11/8/23 02:20, gene heskett wrote: > > > > Are these 2TB

Re: Password managers

2023-11-12 Thread Erwan David
Le 12/11/2023 à 16:53, Michael Kjörling a écrit : On 12 Nov 2023 22:07 +0700, from maniku...@gmail.com (Max Nikulin): Having system booted from Debian Live image (assume some disaster), how many packaged have to be installed to get access to passwords stored by KeePassXC? I don't know about

Re: PATH question

2023-11-12 Thread Thomas George
Since I began using Linux soon after its inception, 199?, I have just stumbled my way much by trial and error. stumbles related to PATH issue: installed bookworm from dvd. moved distribution ,bashrc's to save.bashrc's copied .bashrc's from buster on another hard disc. These have three

Re: Délai de 25 secondes

2023-11-12 Thread Jose CHARTERS
Le 11/11/2023 à 12:20, NoSpam a écrit : Peux-tu me rappeler la commande pour voir le délai de 25 s. Je l'ai vu passé dans les mails précédents, mais je n'avais pas percuter que c'était valable pour moi également. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/ Merci.

Re: Password managers

2023-11-12 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 12 Nov 2023 22:07 +0700, from maniku...@gmail.com (Max Nikulin): > Having system booted from Debian Live image (assume some disaster), how many > packaged have to be installed to get access to passwords stored by > KeePassXC? I don't know about Debian Live images, but from an up-to-date

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

2023-11-12 Thread Dan Ritter
Marco Moock wrote: > Am 12.11.2023 um 06:46:42 Uhr schrieb Dan Ritter: > > > sysvinit is still a valid and supported init for Debian. > > But people need to know that it isn't by default and that they need to > replace systemd to use switch to sysvinit if they want. Not installed by default is

Re: No 6.5.10-4 realtime kernel?

2023-11-12 Thread Scott Denlinger
Sorry, in Debian world I'm looking for 'linux-image-6.5.0-4-rt-[. . .]' but it would be 6.5.10. Scott Denlinger On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 10:04 AM Scott Denlinger wrote: > Does anyone know why there are no stock realtime kernels in trixie/sid? I > currently have

Re: Password managers

2023-11-12 Thread Max Nikulin
On 10/11/2023 01:48, Michael Kjörling wrote: KeepassXC if you want a primarily GUI solution which also happens to be open source. (There's also a command-line version keepassxc-cli which can either be driven from the command line or used interactively in a terminal session.) Having system

No 6.5.10-4 realtime kernel?

2023-11-12 Thread Scott Denlinger
Does anyone know why there are no stock realtime kernels in trixie/sid? I currently have 'linux-image-6.5.0-1-rt-amd64-unsigned' installed, but I don't see any newer RT kernels available. Scott Denlinger

Re: PATH question

2023-11-12 Thread Max Nikulin
On 12/11/2023 21:37, Greg Wooledge wrote: It doesn't help that "apt install ./file" is not documented in the official man pages. People can only learn about it from the wiki, or from word of mouth. It is documented in various guides:

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

2023-11-12 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 02:28:33PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:46:46AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > I do tend to rely on the knowledge and expertise here: Greg - how > > would you rate the chances of physical copies of your Bash guides, > > for example? I'm not

Re: PATH question

2023-11-12 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 09:29:28AM -0500, Thomas George wrote: > As root I edited bashrc as found in root's home directory OK. If I'm not mistaken, that file never contained a PATH definition in the first place, so you can put things back to normal simply by deleting the line(s) that you added

Re: PATH question

2023-11-12 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 09:35:33AM -0500, Thomas George wrote: > I don't like to clutter up my download file. Since I normally use dpkg -i > debfile.deb this would add a directory in the download file. When you install a .deb package it only installs to the fully-qualified paths inside

Re: PATH question

2023-11-12 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 09:25:26AM -0500, Thomas George wrote: > Alternately dpkg -i debfile.deb works. That doesn't install the dependencies. It may leave your packages in a semi-broken state, requiring you to run "apt-get -f install" afterward to fix it. Using "apt install ./debfile.deb"

Re: PATH question

2023-11-12 Thread Thomas George
I don't like to clutter up my download file. Since I normally use dpkg -i debfile.deb this would add a directory in the download file. Tom George On 11/11/23 23:31, Timothy Butterworth wrote: On November 11, 2023, at 11:16 PM, David wrote: >On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 at 18:42, Thomas George

Re: PATH question

2023-11-12 Thread Thomas George
As root I edited bashrc as found in root's home directory On 11/11/23 23:23, Timothy Butterworth wrote: On November 11, 2023, at 8:51 PM, Thomas George wrote: >I downloaded the google-chrome deb file to /opt/ >used dpkg to install the program. Use sudoapt install ./filename.deb you may

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

2023-11-12 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:46:46AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > I do tend to rely on the knowledge and expertise here: Greg - how > would you rate the chances of physical copies of your Bash guides, > for example? It is an interesting question to ask for this resource specifically,

Re: PATH question

2023-11-12 Thread Thomas George
Alternately dpkg -i debfile.deb works. Tom George On 11/11/23 19:28, The Wanderer wrote: On 2023-11-11 at 19:09, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:17:09PM +, David wrote: Looking for an authoritative source of information to show you, I found only this:

Re: Help ! No syslog anymore

2023-11-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 12.11.23 um 08:18 schrieb Bhasker C V: Hi, I have tried removing PrivateTmp=no in the rsyslog service file and it still doesnt work I assume you mean PrivateTmp=yes? I  have removed the service file which I had created too. I found that when I run the daemon manually, it works well.

Re: limit on attachment in mail to list

2023-11-12 Thread Gareth Evans
On Sat 11 Nov 2023, at 20:56, Thomas Schmitt wrote: On Sat 11 Nov 2023, at 20:23, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> Telnet to bendel, port 25. Wait for the banner. Type "EHLO your.domain". >> Type "quit" to get out. > > The protocol is named SMTP. >

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-12 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 04:01:47PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: > SSD RAID10 is very impressive when everything else matches. Backups over a > Gigabit LAN onto SATA III SSD RAID10 does not make sense because Gigabit > Ethernet is rated for 1 Gbps read/ write and a SATA III SSD RAID10

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

2023-11-12 Thread Dan Ritter
Marco Moock wrote: > Am 12.11.2023 um 12:05:30 Uhr schrieb Roger Price: > > > Are you saying that I should stop relying on my Dr Linux 4th Ed. > > ©1996 ? What's going on here ? Can't trust anything these days. > > If you know what information is still applicable today (like using cd, > ls,

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

2023-11-12 Thread Marco Moock
Am 12.11.2023 um 06:46:42 Uhr schrieb Dan Ritter: > sysvinit is still a valid and supported init for Debian. But people need to know that it isn't by default and that they need to replace systemd to use switch to sysvinit if they want.

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

2023-11-12 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 01:35:25AM -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > All, > > I have been looking for commercial books written about Debian and there is > very little selection. I am considering writing an updated Debian GNU/Linux > Bible for Bookworm/Trixie. Before I started writing it I was

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

2023-11-12 Thread Marco Moock
Am 12.11.2023 um 12:05:30 Uhr schrieb Roger Price: > Are you saying that I should stop relying on my Dr Linux 4th Ed. > ©1996 ? What's going on here ? Can't trust anything these days. If you know what information is still applicable today (like using cd, ls, vi etc.) and which isn't (Sysvinit,

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

2023-11-12 Thread Roger Price
On Sun, 12 Nov 2023, Marco Moock wrote: I don't think book are a good way to teach stuff that changes. A wiki (maybe with paid access, like RedHat does) is much more better than a book that can't be updated and will be mostly useless with the next release because beginner don't know which parts

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

2023-11-12 Thread Bret Busby
On 12/11/23 18:07, Marco Moock wrote: Am 12.11.2023 um 17:56:46 Uhr schrieb Bret Busby: I still have my "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible" and other relevant Linux printed texts. But how relevant is it still? Many things changed and especially for beginners those books are useless today because

AW: Part III BIN=? AW: Anybody familiar with dd (copy)?

2023-11-12 Thread Schwibinger Michael
Good morning I did try it with a good DVD dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/tmp/dvd.bin bs=1M And this did work. I tried with the bad DVD Bug. Message Cannot read file Read write problem. What do I do wrong. And how to mount a bin file? Sorry Regards Sophie Von:

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

2023-11-12 Thread Marco Moock
Am 12.11.2023 um 17:56:46 Uhr schrieb Bret Busby: > I still have my "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible" and other relevant Linux > printed texts. But how relevant is it still? Many things changed and especially for beginners those books are useless today because they don't know what information is

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

2023-11-12 Thread Bret Busby
On 12/11/23 14:35, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: All, I have been looking for commercial books written about Debian and there is very little selection. I still have my "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible" and other relevant Linux printed texts. :) I agree with the reference to a wiki instead

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

2023-11-12 Thread gene heskett
On 11/12/23 03:38, Marco Moock wrote: Am 12.11.2023 um 01:35:25 Uhr schrieb Timothy M Butterworth: I have been looking for commercial books written about Debian and there is very little selection. I am considering writing an updated Debian GNU/Linux Bible for Bookworm/Trixie. Before I started

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

2023-11-12 Thread David
On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 at 06:36, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > I have been looking for commercial books written about Debian and > there is very little selection. I am considering writing an updated > Debian GNU/Linux Bible for Bookworm/Trixie. Before I started writing > it I was wondering if

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

2023-11-12 Thread Marco Moock
Am 12.11.2023 um 01:35:25 Uhr schrieb Timothy M Butterworth: > I have been looking for commercial books written about Debian and > there is very little selection. I am considering writing an updated > Debian GNU/Linux Bible for Bookworm/Trixie. Before I started writing > it I was wondering if