Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-12-03 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Sun 01 Dec 2019 at 11:06AM +02, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > I'm sorry for the delay. Maybe this reply is moot now that proposal C > has been withdrawn but I wanted to share my personal view of why > another proposal was needed. > > [...] > > Like I said, proposals B and D have a lot of

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-12-01 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 01.12.19 10:06, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > So there's a lot about proposal B that I like, but at the end of the > day the proposal doesn't sound that different to the status quo. > While it says systemd, there's no 100% commitment (there's no clear > preference over Debian kludges for

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-12-01 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Moritz Mühlenhoff [2019-11-30 11:48]: > - Less ambigious, C only talks about service units and preferring other > facilities "if they have clear and obvious advantages" (but we have no > good method to clarify whether e.g. systemd-sysusers fulfills that over > adduser), while F actively

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-12-01 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Sean Whitton [2019-11-29 17:52]: > I would be grateful for an informal summary of why proposal F is > thought to be needed on the ballot in addition to proposal C. What > is thought not captured well by Sam's text, but is thought to be > captured well by Martin's text? I'm sorry for the

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-30 Thread Jeremy Bicha
> I'd like submit the following proposal: > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and cross-distribution > cooperation Seconded. Thanks, Jeremy Bicha signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-30 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:16:10PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > I'd like submit the following proposal: I guess my second is not really needed anymore for this, but it's good to have it on the ballot. > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and cross-distri

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-30 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff
Sean Whitton schrieb: > I would be grateful for an informal summary of why proposal F is thought > to be needed on the ballot in addition to proposal C. What is thought > not captured well by Sam's text, but is thought to be captured well by > Martin's text? >From my PoV: - Less ambigious, C

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-30 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 01:44:08AM +0100, gregor herrmann wrote: > On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 18:12:48 -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > > I'm trying to figure out if the new proposal is redundant with proposal > > C. The text is obviously very different, but I'm trying to figure out > > if there are any

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Sam Hartman
> "gregor" == gregor herrmann writes: gregor> On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 18:12:48 -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: >> I'm trying to figure out if the new proposal is redundant with >> proposal C. The text is obviously very different, but I'm trying >> to figure out if there are any

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Martin, and seconders of proposal F, On Fri 29 Nov 2019 at 10:16PM +02, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > I'd like submit the following proposal: > > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and > cross-distribution cooperation I would be grateful for an informal su

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread gregor herrmann
On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 18:12:48 -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > I'm trying to figure out if the new proposal is redundant with proposal > C. The text is obviously very different, but I'm trying to figure out > if there are any practical differences. Understand this is not a > criticism of this

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:16:10PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > I'd like submit the following proposal: > > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and cross-distribution > cooperation > > This resolution is a position statement under section 4.1 (

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Philipp Kern
On 11/29/2019 9:16 PM, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and cross-distribution > cooperation > > This resolution is a position statement under section 4.1 (5) of the > Debian constitution: > > Cross-distribution stan

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Sam Hartman
Hi. I'm trying to figure out if the new proposal is redundant with proposal C. The text is obviously very different, but I'm trying to figure out if there are any practical differences. Understand this is not a criticism of this proposal, but if there are no significant practical differences I

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Jordi Mallach
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:16:10PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > I'd like submit the following proposal: > > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and cross-distribution > cooperation Seconded. -- Jordi Mallach signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 09:17:58PM +, Luca Filipozzi wrote: > On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:16:10PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and > > cross-distribution cooperation > > Seconded. The message was nog signed. Kurt

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Luca Filipozzi
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 09:17:58PM +, Luca Filipozzi wrote: > On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:16:10PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and > > cross-distribution cooperation > > Seconded. Let me sign this before Kur

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:16:10PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > I'd like submit the following proposal: > > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and cross-distribution > cooperation So I counted enough seconds and it's on the website now. Kurt

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread intrigeri
> I'd like submit the following proposal: > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and cross-distribution > cooperation Seconded. -- intrigeri signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Luca Filipozzi
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:16:10PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and > cross-distribution cooperation Seconded. -- Luca Filipozzi

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 04:01:38PM -0500, Paul R. Tagliamonte wrote: > Seconded That wasn't signed. Kurt

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Russ Allbery
I second the below amendment. Martin Michlmayr writes: > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and cross-distribution > cooperation > This resolution is a position statement under section 4.1 (5) of the > Debian constitution: > Cross-distribution standards

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Ana Guerrero Lopez
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:16:10PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > I'd like submit the following proposal: > > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and cross-distribution > cooperation > > This resolution is a position statement under section 4.1 (

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Paul R. Tagliamonte
Seconded On Fri, Nov 29, 2019, 3:54 PM Julien Cristau wrote: > On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:16:10PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and > cross-distribution cooperation > > > > This resolution is a position statem

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am 29.11.19 um 21:16 schrieb Martin Michlmayr: > I'd like submit the following proposal: > > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and cross-distribution > cooperation > > This resolution is a position statement under section 4.1 (5) of the > Debian con

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Enrico Zini
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:16:10PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > I'd like submit the following proposal: > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and cross-distribution > cooperation Seconded. Enrico -- GPG key: 4096R/634F4BD1E7AD5568 2009-05-08 En

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Ansgar
Martin Michlmayr writes: > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and cross-distribution > cooperation > > This resolution is a position statement under section 4.1 (5) of the > Debian constitution: > > Cross-distribution standards and cooperation

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Julien Cristau
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:16:10PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and cross-distribution > cooperation > > This resolution is a position statement under section 4.1 (5) of the > Debian constitution: > > Cross-d

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 29.11.19 um 21:16 schrieb Martin Michlmayr: > I'd like submit the following proposal: > > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and cross-distribution > cooperation > > This resolution is a position statement under section 4.1 (5) of the > Debian con

Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Martin Michlmayr
I'd like submit the following proposal: Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and cross-distribution cooperation This resolution is a position statement under section 4.1 (5) of the Debian constitution: Cross-distribution standards and cooperation are important factors