Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

2019-07-16 Thread Dave Fisher
Inline- Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Dmitriy Pavlov wrote: >> For the purposes of *THIS* discussion, I think that that's a bit of a > sidetrack. > Sure. > > Jim, > Despite the fact that I do not fully understand the problem, I am ready to > volunteer to prepare materials.

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

2019-07-16 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 4:05 PM Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Jul 16, 2019, at 5:21 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 10:52 AM Jim Jagielski wrote: > >> > >> I think that the events of the last several months have clearly shown a > >> lack of awareness, knowledge and

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

2019-07-16 Thread Jim Jagielski
> On Jul 16, 2019, at 5:21 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 10:52 AM Jim Jagielski wrote: >> >> I think that the events of the last several months have clearly shown a lack >> of awareness, knowledge and (and some level) appreciation (adherence) to The >> Apache

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

2019-07-16 Thread Dmitriy Pavlov
> For the purposes of *THIS* discussion, I think that that's a bit of a sidetrack. Sure. Jim, Despite the fact that I do not fully understand the problem, I am ready to volunteer to prepare materials. I don't care if it will be a part of Apache Training or Apache Com.Dev or slightly another

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

2019-07-16 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 10:52 AM Jim Jagielski wrote: > > I think that the events of the last several months have clearly shown a lack > of awareness, knowledge and (and some level) appreciation (adherence) to The > Apache Way. It would be useful, I think, if this was a focused effort w/i the

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

2019-07-16 Thread Rich Bowen
On 7/16/19 2:29 PM, Dmitriy Pavlov wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Could you mention events you're referring to? For the purposes of *THIS* discussion, I think that that's a bit of a sidetrack. Suffice it to say that clearer understanding of the *WHY* around the principles of the Apache Way is

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

2019-07-16 Thread Jim Jagielski
The events are simply some issues with various aspects of the Apache Way, such as "the foundation does not pay for development" not being completely known by some, or misinterpreted as having a different priority. The intent is to have some centralized/focused "thingie" inside the ASF that

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

2019-07-16 Thread Dmitriy Pavlov
Hi Jim, Could you mention events you're referring to? In Apache Training (incubating) Justin started to develop content related to the Incubator https://github.com/apache/incubator-training/tree/master/content/ApacheWay , so we can consider developing a standalone session related to the Apache

Focused effort on Apache Way education

2019-07-16 Thread Jim Jagielski
I think that the events of the last several months have clearly shown a lack of awareness, knowledge and (and some level) appreciation (adherence) to The Apache Way. It would be useful, I think, if this was a focused effort w/i the foundation. Of course, there is a lot of overlap between