Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-22 Thread Antonio Petrelli
Antonio Petrelli ha scritto: ...not to mention a strange effect that I had last week under Linux (this evening I will check it, I have Linux only at home) that made the Selenium tests fail. I did not open the issue simply because I was not sure about it. Ok false alarm :-) just tested

Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-22 Thread David H. DeWolf
Martin Cooper wrote: On 11/21/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible for tiles2 to 'graduate' into a full struts project (sibling of struts1 and struts2) until it gains a little more momentum? I actually think this would make a great deal of sense as an interim step

Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-22 Thread Greg Reddin
On Nov 22, 2006, at 11:55 AM, David H. DeWolf wrote: Ok, so what should I do to drive this to a decision? If we have any sort of consensus, I'd like try to get it done before the struts 2.0.2 release so that we can have the tiles plugin use an alpha release. That may not be doable at

Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-22 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 11/22/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, so what should I do to drive this to a decision? If we have any sort of consensus, I'd like try to get it done before the struts 2.0.2 release so that we can have the tiles plugin use an alpha release. That may not be doable at this

Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-22 Thread Greg Reddin
On Nov 22, 2006, at 12:07 PM, Wendy Smoak wrote: Personally, I don't think it's a good idea for either _project_ (for Struts to be an umbrella project, or for Tiles 2 to be so closely associated with Struts.) However, it seems to be the best choice right now for the people involved. That's

Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-22 Thread Martin Cooper
On 11/22/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Cooper wrote: On 11/21/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible for tiles2 to 'graduate' into a full struts project (sibling of struts1 and struts2) until it gains a little more momentum? I actually think

Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-21 Thread Martin Cooper
On 11/21/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy Smoak wrote: On 11/20/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about getting an initial tiles release out so that the 2.0.2 tiles plugin can rely upon it instead of a snapshot? It would probably only be 'alpha' quality at

Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend

2006-11-21 Thread Ted Husted
On 11/21/06, Alexandru Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don, I agree with you that a release should be scheduled sometime very soon. However, at this moment due to the latest changes I would suggest the following process: 1/ tag all dependencies (XWork2, Tiles2, Guice, CodeBehind etc.) I'd

Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend

2006-11-21 Thread tm jee
Hi Rainer, Toby, are you still working on the docs? I think there's some changes needed to be done on the current xwork2 docs, there's the new DI introduced lately and I think the docs doesn't take that into account. I think (I am not sure) that the creation of ActionProxy etc. might be

Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend

2006-11-21 Thread Alexandru Popescu
On 11/21/06, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/21/06, Alexandru Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don, I agree with you that a release should be scheduled sometime very soon. However, at this moment due to the latest changes I would suggest the following process: 1/ tag all

Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-21 Thread Antonio Petrelli
Ted Husted ha scritto: On 11/21/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thoughts? The key question is whether there are at least three (3) active committers who are using Tiles in their own projects and could vote +1 for GA release, should the build quality warrant. For what I can say,

Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-21 Thread David H. DeWolf
Ted Husted wrote: On 11/21/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thoughts? The key question is whether there are at least three (3) active committers who are using Tiles in their own projects and could vote +1 for GA release, should the build quality warrant. When making the tally,

Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend

2006-11-21 Thread Don Brown
Alexandru Popescu wrote: I am not gonna argue against your argument but just say: the user will be confused when he will not be able to run the plugins because a small change in one of them has broken it. The release should be able to guarantee a set of plugins that work out of the box. The user

Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend

2006-11-21 Thread Don Brown
Rainer, I vote to roll XWork 2.0-beta-2 Thursday. Let me know if there are any showstoppers and I'll try to squeeze in working on them between playing my Nintendo Wii games :) Don Rainer Hermanns wrote: Don and others, regarding the XWork 2.0 release, I only have time to do this either

Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend

2006-11-21 Thread Alexandru Popescu
Don, I agree with you that a release should be scheduled sometime very soon. However, at this moment due to the latest changes I would suggest the following process: 1/ tag all dependencies (XWork2, Tiles2, Guice, CodeBehind etc.) 2/ make a release of the external dependencies (XWork2, Tiles2,

Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend

2006-11-21 Thread Don Brown
That's fine...anything is better than a snapshot :) Don Ted Husted wrote: My best vote right now would be Alpha. I'm trying to get up to speed with all the recent changes, but I wouldn't want to put something out there for other people to use until Ive actually used it myself. -Ted. On

Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-21 Thread Antonio Petrelli
David H. DeWolf ha scritto: 1) Do we need to support EL for an alpha release? I think this an issue that needs to resolved, since it will be the replacement of beanName and similar attributes in Tiles configuration files. There was a feature in Tiles 1.1 and it has been erased when those

Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-21 Thread Greg Reddin
On Nov 21, 2006, at 9:30 AM, David H. DeWolf wrote: procedural ones which we MUST take care of but are trivial (Copyright notices, and Id Keywords, I do think this one's critical to get out before alpha. retroweaver distributions), Probably could wait til after alpha. 1) Do we need to

[s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend

2006-11-21 Thread Don Brown
We really, really, really need to get a release out there, even if was determined to be beta. The snapshot system is unpredictable and confusing for potential users, and really, users shouldn't be using them anyways as they aren't official struts releases. Any showstoppers to a likely beta

Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-21 Thread David H. DeWolf
Antonio Petrelli wrote: For what I can say, surely Tiles 2 cannot be released as GA (neither as alpha I suppose) since there is a blocking issue (just reopened :-) ) and some major issues, not to mention a strange effect that I had last week under Linux (this evening I will check it, I have

Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-21 Thread Martin Cooper
On 11/20/06, Antonio Petrelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Cooper ha scritto: If so, the next question would be whether or not we have enough people and enough energy to jump-start it. A good (non Apache yet but with Apache License) candidate for Java Web Components could be Java Web

Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-21 Thread Martin Cooper
On 11/21/06, Antonio Petrelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg Reddin ha scritto: On Nov 21, 2006, at 9:15 AM, David H. DeWolf wrote: What I'm more concerned about is the community/oversight. How will Tiles 2 be accepted when compared with Sitemesh, etc? I don't know. The JSF community

Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend

2006-11-21 Thread David H. DeWolf
How about getting an initial tiles release out so that the 2.0.2 tiles plugin can rely upon it instead of a snapshot? It would probably only be 'alpha' quality at this point, but the same snapshot logic that you described below applies to it. I'll do the release (prior to the weekend), if

Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-21 Thread Konstantin Priblouda
--- Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you're misunderstanding. The purpose of Jakarta Web Components is to form a grouping of small web-related projects, along the same lines as Jakarta Commons but focussed on web related stuff. It is specifically not a project in and of

Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-21 Thread David H. DeWolf
Wendy Smoak wrote: On 11/20/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about getting an initial tiles release out so that the 2.0.2 tiles plugin can rely upon it instead of a snapshot? It would probably only be 'alpha' quality at this point, but the same snapshot logic that you

Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-21 Thread David H. DeWolf
Well said, exactly what I was trying to communicate. I was just hoping that we weren't stuck in the sandbox since that seems like it will prevent an alpha release. David Greg Reddin wrote: On Nov 21, 2006, at 9:15 AM, David H. DeWolf wrote: What I'm more concerned about is the

Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend

2006-11-21 Thread Ted Husted
Struts 2.0.2 TODO Here's a quick list of documentation elements that I'm working on today. Snippets * Textfield and button snippets using new key syntax * action-class-ref * action tag with flush * checkboxlist with map * Direct results Pages * Spring, Plexus, Pell-Multipart, Struts1 plugins

Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend

2006-11-21 Thread Alexandru Popescu
On 11/21/06, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/21/06, Alexandru Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The people working on Tiles2 are gearing up for some sort of release, maybe even this weekend. But, since we distribute Tiles as a plugin, so we could still mark Core GA and leave the

Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-21 Thread Antonio Petrelli
Greg Reddin ha scritto: On Nov 21, 2006, at 9:15 AM, David H. DeWolf wrote: What I'm more concerned about is the community/oversight. How will Tiles 2 be accepted when compared with Sitemesh, etc? I don't know. The JSF community has Facelets and Clay, so Tiles support is more of a

Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-21 Thread Ted Husted
On 11/21/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thoughts? The key question is whether there are at least three (3) active committers who are using Tiles in their own projects and could vote +1 for GA release, should the build quality warrant. When making the tally, we should keep in

Re: Releasing Tiles (was: Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend)

2006-11-21 Thread Martin Cooper
On 11/20/06, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/20/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about getting an initial tiles release out so that the 2.0.2 tiles plugin can rely upon it instead of a snapshot? It would probably only be 'alpha' quality at this point, but the same

Re: [s2] 2.0.2 release this weekend

2006-11-21 Thread Ted Husted
My best vote right now would be Alpha. I'm trying to get up to speed with all the recent changes, but I wouldn't want to put something out there for other people to use until Ive actually used it myself. -Ted. On 11/20/06, Don Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We really, really, really need to