Dakota Jack wrote:
Doesn't this kind of talk sound goofy to you all? Isn't this reference to
the Apache Way sort of like a secret handshake and a silly hat?
It's all that, yes, but it's also not very honest, I'd say.
You see, the various scripture on the so-called Apache Way claims that
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On 4/27/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On 4/27/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dakota Jack wrote:
Doesn't this kind of talk sound goofy to you all? Isn't this reference to
the Apache Way sort of like a secret handshake and a silly hat?
It's all that, yes, but it's also not very honest, I'd say.
You see, the
People do not do work around here because it is not rewarded. The
people who are rewarded are political. Then they do the work and the
work looks like coding by politicians. I can remember going into the
file upload section and seeing one of the worst messes I have ever
seen in an open source
Please forgive me for feeding the trolls and wasting bandwidth. I
know, it makes me no better than they are and this apology is
meaningless since I am going to keep doing it for a little while.
but they are just such cute little trolls with those adorable
nicknames and tiny perspectives!
Daniel Warner wrote:
On 4/27/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dakota Jack wrote:
Doesn't this kind of talk sound goofy to you all? Isn't this reference to
the Apache Way sort of like a secret handshake and a silly hat?
It's all that, yes, but it's also not very honest, I'd
I think I see a pattern here. Put a short email in favor of Apache to
Jonathan, and you get a huge one in return. The more you try to
actually argue with his points, the longer and more condescending the
response. It is almost like free energy! Someone ought to invent a
power station to
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Daniel Warner wrote:
I think I see a pattern here. Put a short email in favor of Apache to
Jonathan, and you get a huge one in return.
Well, if you didn't want me to respond, you shouldn't have written your
comments.
The more you try to
actually argue with his points, the longer and
Jonathan has the patience of a saint in answering people like you. I
don't. I am not 10 years old and have no interest in this sort of
discussion. Grow up!
On 4/27/06, Daniel Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please forgive me for feeding the trolls and wasting bandwidth. I
know, it makes me
I really have to disagree with this Jonathan. I don't think Warner has the
mettle to be sarcastic. Maybe sardonic at best; not sarcastic.
snip
On 4/27/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Daniel Warner wrote:
I know you're being sarcastic, but in your attempts at sarcasm, you
Martin Cooper wrote:
On 4/25/06, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is the kind of stupid, assinine comment
What is stupid or assinine about pointing out that your count is incorrect?
It *is* incorrect. You counted 4 posts to the dev list. To quote you
directly:
I count four (4)
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Martin Cooper wrote:
On 4/25/06, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is the kind of stupid, assinine comment
What is stupid or assinine about pointing out that your count is
incorrect?
It *is* incorrect. You counted 4 posts to the dev list. To quote you
What is stupid or assinine is to suggest that the problem is that I cannot
count. That is typical of you snipers. You do everything to avoid the real
issues. Look at the entries for Reddin and look at the entries for other
people. In my opinion you have to be addled not to see that he is
On Wed, April 26, 2006 8:01 am, Jonathan Revusky said:
On Frank Z., the equivalent numbers I get are:
1231 on struts-user and 381 on struts-devel 1612 total.
To see how I searched, see, for example:
on task as to
the role of each list, and :) stop annoying people who just want to
know how to use the taglibs :)
First, let me make clear that this proposal does NOT change the existing
mechanism by which someone is invited to be a committer. That decision
still rests soley with the PMC
.
* Proposed Change:
First, let me make clear that this proposal does NOT change the existing
mechanism by which someone is invited to be a committer. That decision
still rests soley with the PMC. This proposal only seeks to build on
top of that mechanism. I propose that a community-based nomination
On Tue, April 25, 2006 1:17 am, Craig McClanahan said:
The latter statement is, as mentioned in my previous response, the way
that
*all* projects at Apache work -- it is not unique to Struts. Any claim
that
all of Apache is broken in this regard is going to be, umm, unlikely to be
agreed
On Tue, April 25, 2006 12:36 am, Craig McClanahan said:
Without commenting on the merit of the proposal itself, or the reasoning
presented as its justification, it is important to note that we (the
Struts
community) do not have free reign to do whatever we want in this regard.
As
part of
On Tue, April 25, 2006 6:45 am, Ted Husted said:
I should mention that proposals for change are best sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This
list is meant for people who want help using a product. Changes to the
project are best discussed on [EMAIL PROTECTED] We should get back on task as
to
the
On Apr 25, 2006, at 9:55 AM, Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
That depends entirely on your meaning of the word closed. You
make the
argument that the number of new committers means it isn't closed,
and I
agree with you to a degree. But that's not the only meaning of
closed... the invitations to
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
You are of course right about this. But, much like taking the ideas about
inventory control and order processing and such from Dell and starting
your own business is possible, the likelihood that you would get anything
but a small fraction of the attention and
On 4/24/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 4/24/06, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Rationale
One of the issues that a number of people seem to have with the way
Struts has progressed is the seeming inability (or difficulty at least)
of getting new blood
On 4/25/06, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, I considered doing that... but as my proposal was specifically *for*
the community, I felt it important to put the most number of eyeballs on
it as possible.
You know, perhaps we need *three* mailing lists... one for devs, one for
On Tue, April 25, 2006 2:22 pm, Paul Speed said:
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
You are of course right about this. But, much like taking the ideas
about
inventory control and order processing and such from Dell and starting
your own business is possible, the likelihood that you would get
On Tue, April 25, 2006 2:41 pm, Martin Cooper said:
For me, the community would be anyone who has an active interest in how
the project develops.
There! You've said it. That exactly describes the purpose of the dev@
list.
So, now, why again do we need the three lists you mention above? ;-)
On 4/25/06, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, April 25, 2006 2:22 pm, Paul Speed said:
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
You are of course right about this. But, much like taking the ideas
about
inventory control and order processing and such from Dell and starting
On Tue, April 25, 2006 2:32 pm, Martin Cooper said:
One thing I'll add, though. The problem appears to be perception, and
reality doesn't, in my opinion and as evidenced below, match that
perception. Therefore the solution should be addressing the _perception_
of
the way Struts is working,
On Tue, April 25, 2006 3:10 pm, Martin Cooper said:
This is where I'm not sure I agree... why can you only have a stake in
the
code, or in the community even, if you are a committer? And certainly
the
community is often touted as the most important part of any ASF
project... it's just that
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
[...]
I don't think it is accurate to think that ego doesn't play a part in just
about everything that just about everyone does. We all want to see our
work benefit others. For most of us I believe its because we genuinely
like the feeling we get when someone
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
However, if I were to come up with one now, I would say it is simply to
help ensure that Action1 does not die, and more than that, is allowed to
evolve. I know it isn't going away, I know support isn't being dropped, I
know all that. I also know that Ted has said he
On 4/25/06, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, April 25, 2006 6:45 am, Ted Husted said:
snip/
From an ASF perspective, the community is not everyone who
subscribes to the mailing list and downloads the product. The
community is the set of individuals who contribute to the
On Tue, April 25, 2006 3:19 pm, Paul Speed said:
Sure, if just always seems to me that the I want to be a committer
guys that haven't contributed any code are 100% ego. They just want
their name on the list. To them, forking the code is not at all
appealing since they only want the
On Tue, April 25, 2006 3:42 pm, Nathan Bubna said:
Question: does submitting a patch have to mean having the patch
accepted?
At first glance, the obvious answer is yes, but I'm not so sure it's
really the obvious answer... if someone has submitted a number of
patches
that were not committed
On 4/25/06, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, April 25, 2006 3:10 pm, Martin Cooper said:
This is where I'm not sure I agree... why can you only have a stake in
the
code, or in the community even, if you are a committer? And certainly
the
community is often touted as
On 4/25/06, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, April 25, 2006 3:42 pm, Nathan Bubna said:
Question: does submitting a patch have to mean having the patch
accepted?
At first glance, the obvious answer is yes, but I'm not so sure it's
really the obvious answer... if someone
On 4/25/06, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There! You've said it. That exactly describes the purpose of the dev@ list.
So, now, why again do we need the three lists you mention above? ;-)
Actually, there are three public lists.
* user@ for helping people use the product
* dev@ for
On 4/25/06, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, there are three public lists.
* user@ for helping people use the product
* dev@ for discussing changes to the product
* commit@ for logging changes to the product
Right now, we have the issue trackers and wiki posting to dev@, but I
On 4/25/06, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 4/25/06, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, there are three public lists.
* user@ for helping people use the product
* dev@ for discussing changes to the product
* commit@ for logging changes to the product
Right now,
Any chance that as you discuss this there would be a move to make dev@ not
receive all commit@ messages? Some of us (me) prefer to use RSS and forcing the
emails seems a bit heavy handed.
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On 4/25/06, Patrick Lightbody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any chance that as you discuss this there would be a move to make dev@ not
receive all commit@ messages? Some of us (me) prefer to use RSS and forcing
the emails seems a bit heavy handed.
I've historically been a holdout on this issue
On 4/25/06, Patrick Lightbody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any chance that as you discuss this there would be a move to make dev@ not
receive all commit@ messages? Some of us (me) prefer to use RSS and forcing
the emails seems a bit heavy handed.
I remember this request from the last time this
Here is a case in point: I count four (4) posts to the dev list in Greg
Reddin's history. He is a committer. On the user list there is also
virtually nothing. What stands out is that he was interested in a couple of
posts in Shale. What is the possible reason he is a committer and Frank is
Doesn't this kind of talk sound goofy to you all? Isn't this reference to
the Apache Way sort of like a secret handshake and a silly hat? Let's say
what the Struts Way is. It is not, I would strongly suggest even slightly
related to the Apache Way. I am also strongly considering just never
If you thought waiting like you were asked would help at all, Patrick, you
are probably about to learn your first lesson in
Struts-Shale-JSF-Craig-Apache Way.
On 4/25/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 4/25/06, Patrick Lightbody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any chance that as you
This is the kind of stupid, assinine comment that is really what trolling is
all about. There are clearly more than I found by doing a general search for
Redding. Try doing one for Frank and see what happens, Martin. I really
could vomit when I hear that feminine English pity.
On 4/25/06,
I come up with 2073 for me since 4/2004 (yeah, and I Google myself every
now and again too... so shoot me! LOL)
I wouldn't put much stock in these numbers frankly... I don't really
believe I've posted *only* 2073 messages in two years... hell, I
probably posted that many LAST MONTH! :-)
On 4/25/06, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is the kind of stupid, assinine comment
What is stupid or assinine about pointing out that your count is incorrect?
It *is* incorrect. You counted 4 posts to the dev list. To quote you
directly:
I count four (4) posts to the dev list in
no
say in the matter.
* Proposed Change:
First, let me make clear that this proposal does NOT change the existing
mechanism by which someone is invited to be a committer. That decision
still rests soley with the PMC. This proposal only seeks to build on
top of that mechanism. I propose
On 4/24/06, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I look forward to feedback. Thanks for listening!
Without commenting on the merit of the proposal itself, or the reasoning
presented as its justification, it is important to note that we (the Struts
community) do not have free reign to
On 4/24/06, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Rationale
One of the issues that a number of people seem to have with the way
Struts has progressed is the seeming inability (or difficulty at least)
of getting new blood involved. There seems to be a perception by many
that there is
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