Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

* Howard Chu: > 5) BerkeleyDB lives under a licensing cloud. Since 2008 Oracle > lawyers were contacting commercial OpenLDAP users and demanding > license fees from them, even though BerkeleyDB is expressly licensed > for free use in open source software (such as OpenLDAP). At least the new

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 29. 1. 2016 at 22:03:00, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > FWIW I found the new database backend (not mentioned anywhere in the > original submission). It is here: > > http://rpm.org/gitweb?p=rpm.git;a=tree;f=lib/backend/ndb > > Since this change has (rashly) been approved by FESCO, I guess

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 09:44:29AM +0100, Jan Zelený wrote: > On 29. 1. 2016 at 22:03:00, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > FWIW I found the new database backend (not mentioned anywhere in the > > original submission). It is here: > > > > http://rpm.org/gitweb?p=rpm.git;a=tree;f=lib/backend/ndb >

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 02/01/2016 11:43 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 11:39:33AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: >> On 02/01/2016 11:26 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >>> On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 11:13:08AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: On 02/01/2016 10:59 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 02/01/2016 10:59 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Even if the RPM database is only accessed via librpm, it's still > important that the most central database present on every Fedora > system is reliable, well-tested and flexible. Sqlite is a highly > regarded piece of software, which runs on

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 02/01/2016 11:26 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 11:13:08AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: >> On 02/01/2016 10:59 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> >>> Even if the RPM database is only accessed via librpm, it's still >>> important that the most central database present on

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 11:39:33AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 02/01/2016 11:26 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 11:13:08AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > >> On 02/01/2016 10:59 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >> > >>> Even if the RPM database is only accessed via

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 11:13:08AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 02/01/2016 10:59 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > Even if the RPM database is only accessed via librpm, it's still > > important that the most central database present on every Fedora > > system is reliable, well-tested and

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 10:26:34AM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 11:13:08AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > > On 02/01/2016 10:59 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > > > Even if the RPM database is only accessed via librpm, it's still > > > important that the most

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 01/31/2016 04:17 PM, Jonathan Underwood wrote: > On 29 Jan 2016 10:03 pm, "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote: >> >> >> FWIW I found the new database backend (not mentioned anywhere in the >> original submission). It is here: >> >>

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 1. 2. 2016 at 12:14:18, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 12:51:47PM +0100, Jan Zelený wrote: > > On 1. 2. 2016 at 09:59:23, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 09:44:29AM +0100, Jan Zelený wrote: > > > > On 29. 1. 2016 at 22:03:00, Richard W.M. Jones

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 1.2.2016 12:05, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 01/31/2016 04:17 PM, Jonathan Underwood wrote: >> On 29 Jan 2016 10:03 pm, "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote: >>> >>> >>> FWIW I found the new database backend (not mentioned anywhere in the >>> original submission). It is here: >>> >>>

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 02/01/2016 02:55 PM, Petr Spacek wrote: > For the wider audience, some more information about LMDB backend for RPM can > be found in: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1086784 > > In short: > - Maximum database size is just "sanity limit" set by application. It can be > hunderds

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

Once upon a time, Neal Gompa said: > My understanding of the problem is that it's less about the "doubts > about its future" and more about the fact Oracle inexplicably changed > the license with BDB 6.x to AGPLv3. Berkley DB 5.3 is old, and no one > has forked it and

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

Chris Adams cmadams.net> writes: > > Once upon a time, Neal Gompa gmail.com> said: > > My understanding of the problem is that it's less about the "doubts > > about its future" and more about the fact Oracle inexplicably changed > > the license with BDB 6.x to AGPLv3. Berkley DB 5.3 is old,

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 1. 2. 2016 at 09:59:23, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 09:44:29AM +0100, Jan Zelený wrote: > > On 29. 1. 2016 at 22:03:00, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > FWIW I found the new database backend (not mentioned anywhere in the > > > > > > original submission). It is here: >

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 12:51:47PM +0100, Jan Zelený wrote: > On 1. 2. 2016 at 09:59:23, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 09:44:29AM +0100, Jan Zelený wrote: > > > On 29. 1. 2016 at 22:03:00, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > > FWIW I found the new database backend (not

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

Once upon a time, Jonathan Underwood said: > I wonder if the MDB (or LMDB) database from the openldap team was evaluated > as a possible BDB replacement? There's also TDB from Samba. I certainly don't know RPM's requirements, but it seems shortsighted from a

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Jonathan Underwood said: >> I wonder if the MDB (or LMDB) database from the openldap team was evaluated >> as a possible BDB replacement? > > There's also TDB from Samba. > >

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 29 Jan 2016 10:03 pm, "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote: > > > FWIW I found the new database backend (not mentioned anywhere in the > original submission). It is here: > > http://rpm.org/gitweb?p=rpm.git;a=tree;f=lib/backend/ndb > > Since this change has (rashly) been approved

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 05:18:03PM +0100, Florian Festi wrote: > On 01/29/2016 05:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > I'm still unclear why you don't just use sqlite 3. > > Among other things it is about 2 times lower than the current BDB > implementation. There's some question [see adjacent

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 01/14/2016 01:08 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Yup - I'm curious about this as well. Using sqlite [for example] > would solve the libguestfs issues I outlined in this thread, as well > as using a format which is robust and proven rather than some > half-baked homebrew thing. Well, we

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 01/29/2016 04:35 PM, Florian Festi wrote: > On 01/14/2016 01:08 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> Yup - I'm curious about this as well. Using sqlite [for example] >> would solve the libguestfs issues I outlined in this thread, as well >> as using a format which is robust and proven rather than

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 01/13/2016 04:04 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 01:30:59PM +, Richard Hughes wrote: >> On 13 January 2016 at 13:13, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> so there is no justification to declare one need to install from scratch >>> just because rpm which

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 01/16/2016 02:33 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Daniel P. Berrange wrote: >> Well the feature writeup is rather fuzzy on this. It says that in Fedora >> 24 rpm will be able to read both old and new format, but it also says >> that future RPM versions will drop support for the old format. So unless

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 04:53:08PM +0100, Florian Festi wrote: > On 01/13/2016 03:07 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > > Say, for example, that Fedora 24 moves to the new format. Will Fedora 34 > > be able to read Fedora 24 RPM databases? > > Fedora 25 will. Fedora 34 will probably not. If it

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 01/29/2016 05:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 04:53:08PM +0100, Florian Festi wrote: >> On 01/13/2016 03:07 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >>> >>> Say, for example, that Fedora 24 moves to the new format. Will Fedora 34 >>> be able to read Fedora 24 RPM databases? >>

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 01/29/2016 05:15 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > On Monday, January 11, 2016 03:46:27 PM Jan Kurik wrote: >> = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat = >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewRpmDBFormat >> >> Change owner(s): >> * Florian Festi < ffesti AT redhat DOT

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 01/13/2016 03:07 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > Say, for example, that Fedora 24 moves to the new format. Will Fedora 34 > be able to read Fedora 24 RPM databases? Fedora 25 will. Fedora 34 will probably not. If it turns out that reading 10 releases old database is really, really

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Monday, January 11, 2016 03:46:27 PM Jan Kurik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewRpmDBFormat > > Change owner(s): > * Florian Festi < ffesti AT redhat DOT com > > > > Change format of the RPM Database

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 02:07:57PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Another thing to think about is endianness and word size, since with > BDB we can examine, say, an i686 guest from an ppc64 host (and people > even do this). Also what about this part of my question? Rich. -- Richard Jones,

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

FWIW I found the new database backend (not mentioned anywhere in the original submission). It is here: http://rpm.org/gitweb?p=rpm.git;a=tree;f=lib/backend/ndb Since this change has (rashly) been approved by FESCO, I guess we're going to be copying this code into some libguestfs tools, and

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 01/29/2016 11:18 AM, Florian Festi wrote: On 01/29/2016 05:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I'm still unclear why you don't just use sqlite 3. Among other things it is about 2 times lower than the current BDB implementation. As a third party in all this, I'd rather talent be applied to

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 2:24 AM, Tomáš Smetana wrote: > > I tend to use systemd-nspawn containers for building rpms. So for example, > I > have a Fedora 24 system and use its dnf to create e.g. Centos 7 container > root and then build Centos rpms from within that container.

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > Well the feature writeup is rather fuzzy on this. It says that in Fedora > 24 rpm will be able to read both old and new format, but it also says > that future RPM versions will drop support for the old format. So unless > there is a mandatory data format conversion

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:24:36 +0100 Tomáš Smetana wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:38:08 +0100 > Florian Festi wrote: > > > On 01/13/2016 02:36 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > > > > > > > Am 13.01.2016 um 14:30 schrieb Richard Hughes: > > >> On 13

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:38:08 +0100 Florian Festi wrote: > On 01/13/2016 02:36 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > > > > Am 13.01.2016 um 14:30 schrieb Richard Hughes: > >> On 13 January 2016 at 13:13, Reindl Harald > >> wrote: > >>> so there is no

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:42:17 +0100, Dan Horák wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:24:36 +0100 Tomáš Smetana wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:38:08 +0100 Florian Festi wrote: > > I tend to use systemd-nspawn containers for building rpms. So for > > example, I

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 2016-01-15 09:42, Dan Horák wrote: On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:24:36 +0100 Tomáš Smetana wrote: On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:38:08 +0100 Florian Festi wrote: On 01/13/2016 02:36 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 13.01.2016 um 14:30 schrieb Richard Hughes: On

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 07:50:05AM +0100, Petr Spacek wrote: > On 13.1.2016 13:48, Florian Festi wrote: > > On 01/11/2016 03:57 PM, Dan Horák wrote: > >> On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 15:46:27 +0100 > >> Jan Kurik wrote: > >> > >>> = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

Am 13.01.2016 um 14:01 schrieb Florian Festi: On 01/11/2016 09:06 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 03:46:27PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewRpmDBFormat Details of

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 13 January 2016 at 13:13, Reindl Harald wrote: > so there is no justification to declare one need to install from scratch > just because rpm which works for many years fine changes it's storage format I don't think anyone said there was a need to reinstall from

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

Am 13.01.2016 um 14:30 schrieb Richard Hughes: On 13 January 2016 at 13:13, Reindl Harald wrote: so there is no justification to declare one need to install from scratch just because rpm which works for many years fine changes it's storage format I don't think

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 02:01:23PM +0100, Florian Festi wrote: > On 01/11/2016 09:06 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 03:46:27PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote: > >> = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat = > >>

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 01/11/2016 05:26 PM, Kalev Lember wrote: > On 01/11/2016 03:46 PM, Jan Kurik wrote: >> = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat = >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewRpmDBFormat >> >> Change owner(s): >> * Florian Festi < ffesti AT redhat DOT com > >> >> >>

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 01/13/2016 02:36 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 13.01.2016 um 14:30 schrieb Richard Hughes: >> On 13 January 2016 at 13:13, Reindl Harald >> wrote: >>> so there is no justification to declare one need to install from scratch >>> just because rpm which works for

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 01/11/2016 03:57 PM, Dan Horák wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 15:46:27 +0100 > Jan Kurik wrote: > >> = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat = >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewRpmDBFormat >> >> Change owner(s): >> * Florian Festi <

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 01/11/2016 09:06 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 03:46:27PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote: >> = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat = >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewRpmDBFormat > > Details of the format? > > What forward and backward

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 13.1.2016 13:48, Florian Festi wrote: > On 01/11/2016 03:57 PM, Dan Horák wrote: >> On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 15:46:27 +0100 >> Jan Kurik wrote: >> >>> = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat = >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewRpmDBFormat

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 01/11/2016 05:08 PM, Colin Walters wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016, at 09:46 AM, Jan Kurik wrote: >> = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat = >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewRpmDBFormat > > It'd be interesting to know the technical details, worth

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 01:30:59PM +, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 13 January 2016 at 13:13, Reindl Harald wrote: > > so there is no justification to declare one need to install from scratch > > just because rpm which works for many years fine changes it's storage format

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Jan Kurik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewRpmDBFormat > > Change owner(s): > * Florian Festi < ffesti AT redhat DOT com > > > > Change format of the RPM

F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

= Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewRpmDBFormat Change owner(s): * Florian Festi < ffesti AT redhat DOT com > Change format of the RPM Database from Berkeley DB to RPM's own format. == Detailed Description == The

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 11.01.2016 um 17:26 schrieb Kalev Lember: >> >> On 01/11/2016 03:46 PM, Jan Kurik wrote: >>> >>> = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat = >>>

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 01/11/2016 03:46 PM, Jan Kurik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewRpmDBFormat Change owner(s): * Florian Festi < ffesti AT redhat DOT com > Change format of the RPM Database from Berkeley DB to RPM's own

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

Am 11.01.2016 um 17:26 schrieb Kalev Lember: On 01/11/2016 03:46 PM, Jan Kurik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewRpmDBFormat Change owner(s): * Florian Festi < ffesti AT redhat DOT com > Change format of

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

Am 11.01.2016 um 17:33 schrieb Neal Gompa: On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 11.01.2016 um 17:26 schrieb Kalev Lember: On 01/11/2016 03:46 PM, Jan Kurik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat =

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On 11 January 2016 at 14:46, Jan Kurik wrote: > - Tools using librpm should not be affected Is there any early-access to the new database e.g. some test rpms? Quite a few of the PackageKit transactions have specific time requests and I'd like to profile any new database for

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016, at 09:46 AM, Jan Kurik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewRpmDBFormat It'd be interesting to know the technical details, worth reposting once there's a design document or prototype PR.

F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

= Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewRpmDBFormat Change owner(s): * Florian Festi < ffesti AT redhat DOT com > Change format of the RPM Database from Berkeley DB to RPM's own format. == Detailed Description == The

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 15:46:27 +0100 Jan Kurik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewRpmDBFormat > > Change owner(s): > * Florian Festi < ffesti AT redhat DOT com > > > > Change format of the

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 03:46:27PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewRpmDBFormat Details of the format? What forward and backward compatibility guarantees are there? libguestfs reads the