Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-12 Thread Roger J. Buffington
Alan Barrow wrote: I've personally gone on site for two hurricanes. Not because I'm a cop wanna-be. No, I did it at significant personal cost and discomfort because thousands of folks needed help. And were asked, somewhat desperately, to help. And we were uniquely positioned to help,

[digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm - a VK perspective

2008-01-12 Thread Dave Ingram
I've found it interesting reading about US Emergency Comms. It seems to me that many of your counties etc are quite small and don't have the critical mass to invest in comprehensive comms networks. Here in Queensland (Australia) the state government has an agency devoted to emergencies (EMQ -

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-10 Thread Rick
As we have been finding out through testing, ALE may have a place in a few niche interest areas but it is likely to be of limited value on the ham bands, and not well supported, since the shared nature of the bands do not lend themselves well to this kind of continuously dedicated

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-10 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Rick, From reading your comments I see you still fail to fully understand the potential value of ALE to Amateur Radio, especially to ECOM. ALE is the great facilitator to follow on communications, nothing aside from MIL-STD AQC-ALE and the host of copy cat systems such by the likes of

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-10 Thread Alan Barrow
Rick wrote: As we have been finding out through testing, Hmm, you've been testing ALE? Don't see you in many of the logs. I've been testing/using/linking ALE for a couple of years now. Getting a really good understanding of what works well, what does not, etc. I know you have a very strong

RE: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-10 Thread Rud Merriam
I walked the piney woods and hills of East Texas in cold and rain looking for the astronauts and parts of the shuttle Columbia. Ham radio via repeaters was the only way to communicate on a wide scale in that area at that time. Yes, cell phones worked in some areas but would have been a PITA when

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-10 Thread Shuler Burton
IN SC we have a simialr system SCHEARTS that we are building into hospitals. grants provide the equipment and hams have instaslled it into the hospitals. then some of the staff have gotten ham licences also Ares / races supplement the staff. 2M and 440 repeater system. the digital part is APRS

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-10 Thread Rick
Alan, The testing was completed months ago and you know that very well as I have discussed this before. I do not have a particularly strong position on ALE. Have you ever considered that it might be you and your group who take such a view? My view is in the middle as I have stated over and

RE: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-10 Thread Rud Merriam
: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:46 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm Alan, However, if you folks continue to attack your friends, you won't have

[digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-09 Thread Andrew O'Brien
FYI, my hospital OWNS the ham equipment deployed at the facility. ARES/RACES provides operators but we retain ownership of anything we paid for out of Govt grants. I insisted on it , as a hospital official, since I know how fickle some hams organizations can be. Despite many clearly wonderful

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-09 Thread Alan Barrow
Andrew O'Brien wrote: I think that much of the hams in emcomms is a scam , or a way for hams to play firefighter/cop/medic without actually having to be one.The scam is the spreading of the concept that us hams sit around all days looking for that ship's SOS or waiting for Skywarn to be

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-09 Thread Scott Hill
Thank you Andy. Now you better duck. You have maligned the sacred cow of ham radio. Scott/K6IX Andrew O'Brien wrote: FYI, my hospital OWNS the ham equipment deployed at the facility. ARES/RACES provides operators but we retain ownership of anything we paid for out of Govt grants. I

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-09 Thread Andrew O'Brien
But Alan, I deal with medical emergencies several times per week! As I pointed out in my original post, I don't question that we have many ham's that provide emergency communications. I do question the integrity of amateur radio claims, and feel that it's capabilities are vastly overstated.

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-09 Thread Andrew O'Brien
On Jan 9, 2008 10:15 PM, Scott Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Andy. Now you better duck. You have maligned the sacred cow of ham radio. Scott/K6IX Hi Scott. Aside from amateur radio equipment and satellite phone's, my hospital used the grant money for zillion dollar suits

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-09 Thread Rick
I'm a bit surprised to see you say it this way, Andy. We have a push here in my Section for all hospitals, under a grant to consider the installation of an amateur radio VHF antenna, feedline, and power supply as a basic radio communication framework in case of emergency. Depending upon any

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-09 Thread Alan Barrow
Andrew O'Brien wrote: But Alan, I deal with medical emergencies several times per week! Understood. With doctors, medical staff equipment to handle that. Now take all that away. The need is still there, you just lost all the infrastructure to handle it different situation entirely I

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-09 Thread Howard Brown
] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 9:20:24 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm But Alan, I deal with medical emergencies several times per week! As I pointed out in my original post, I don't