Re: [digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions

2010-02-08 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
At 05:02 PM 2/7/2010, you wrote: With the long qsb faded outs on 500 Khz 60 seconds ' in' 20 'out sort of thing arq is the only way of having a qso .. but most of the EU stations are limited to 100 Hz b/w .. How do you deal with a limit like that?

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions

2010-02-08 Thread John Bradley
, WØJAB Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:18 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions At 05:02 PM 2/7/2010, you wrote: With the long qsb faded outs on 500 Khz 60 seconds ' in' 20 'out sort of thing

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions

2010-02-08 Thread Dave Ackrill
graham787 wrote: .. but most of the EU stations are limited to 100 Hz b/w .. Sorry, I may be missing something here, but which EU stations are limited to 100Hz bandwidth, and why? Dave (G0DJA)

[digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions

2010-02-08 Thread graham787
Ok thanks for that .. will give it a try G .. --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, vk2eta vk2...@... wrote: John, With Fldigi as modem you can use Psk63 and maybe (untested) psk63FEC for more robustness but about 1/2 the speed of psk63. 73s, John --- In

[digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions

2010-02-08 Thread graham787
Ok John well its in the translation of telegraphy ... the 100 Hz limit (on 500KHz) was intended to produce CW operation only .. however when the definition was 're vistited' after the band was allocated (inside europe .. not the uk) .. data under 100 Hz also fitted the

[digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions

2010-02-08 Thread graham787
...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Becker, WØJAB Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:18 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions At 05:02 PM 2/7/2010, you wrote: With the long qsb faded outs on 500 Khz

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions

2010-02-08 Thread Dave Ackrill
graham787 wrote: Ok John ... EU 500 Khz allocation that is (appart from SM) most seem to have a 100 Hz tx limit the Uk has 501504 with no defined BW appart from the expected 'dont interfear'and no talking .. SM allows ssb as well The idea of 'Don't interfere' is

[digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions

2010-02-08 Thread graham787
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Ackrill dave.g0...@... wrote: graham787 wrote: Ok John ... EU 500 Khz allocation that is (appart from SM) most seem to have a 100 Hz tx limit the Uk has 501504 with no defined BW appart from the expected 'dont interfear' and no talking

[digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions

2010-02-07 Thread graham787
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker, WØJAB w0...@... wrote: At 10:40 PM 2/1/2010, you wrote in part: but some of the other ARQ protocals I've played with look like a mess when you're a station on the outside looking in... I have never found that to be true with PACTOR or

[digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions

2010-02-07 Thread graham787
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker, WØJAB w0...@... wrote: At 10:40 PM 2/1/2010, you wrote in part: but some of the other ARQ protocals I've played with look like a mess when you're a station on the outside looking in... I have never found that to be true with PACTOR or

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions

2010-02-03 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
At 10:40 PM 2/1/2010, you wrote in part: but some of the other ARQ protocals I've played with look like a mess when you're a station on the outside looking in... I have never found that to be true with PACTOR or AMTOR. Can't speak for the sound card ARQ modes.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions

2010-02-02 Thread Alan Barrow
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:40 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions I'm pretty darn happy with the performance of Olivia without the added complexity of ARQ and the one on one aspect of the ARQ protocals. I'm not sure

[digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions

2010-02-01 Thread kb3fxi
I'm pretty darn happy with the performance of Olivia without the added complexity of ARQ and the one on one aspect of the ARQ protocals. I'm not sure about pskmail arq chat mode, but some of the other ARQ protocals I've played with look like a mess when you're a station on the outside looking

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions

2010-02-01 Thread W6IDS
, February 01, 2010 11:40 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions I'm pretty darn happy with the performance of Olivia without the added complexity of ARQ and the one on one aspect of the ARQ protocals. I'm not sure about pskmail arq chat mode

[digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions

2010-01-31 Thread kb3fxi
MFSK16 always seems to come up near or at the top of the simulated tests but I can't duplicate that in the real world. My experience is that Olivia 8/500 does as well if not better and gives MUCH greater latitude in tuning while still providing 100% copy under moderate to poor conditions.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Performance of modes: weak signal and poor ionospheric conditions

2010-01-31 Thread Wes Cosand
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 4:00 PM, kb3fxi kb3...@yahoo.com wrote: MFSK16 always seems to come up near or at the top of the simulated tests but I can't duplicate that in the real world. My experience is that Olivia 8/500 does as well if not better and gives MUCH greater latitude in tuning