[dmarc-ietf] Summary: Search for some consensus, was: Proposed text for p=reject and indirect mail flows

2023-04-28 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 2:27:18 PM EDT Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 4:15:04 AM EDT Barry Leiba wrote: > > I raised this issue in the DMARC session in Vienna, and have let it > > sit for a while so as not to derail other discussion. As we're pretty > > close to finished

Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-aggregate-reporting-09.txt

2023-04-28 Thread Douglas Foster
I was not proposing what other people should do, nor was I proposing a standards change. I was just observing that we always have choices (with supporting software.) In this case, if a remote correspondent cannot do acceptable TLS encryption, then the local correspondent always has the option

Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-aggregate-reporting-09.txt

2023-04-28 Thread Hector Santos
Douglas, In general, you can’t impose or mandate TLS under PORT 25 unsolicited, unauthenticated sessions. You can do this with ESMTP AUTH a.k.a SUBMISSION Protocol (RFC6409) which is Port 587. Under this port, you can mandate more Authentication/Authorization and mail format correctness than

[dmarc-ietf] Proposed Updates for DMARCbis - Section 4.4.3 and New Appendix A.8

2023-04-28 Thread Hector Santos
I would like to propose updates to the DMARCbis documentation, specifically for Section 4.4.3 and a new Appendix A.8. Please find the suggested revisions below. Your input would be greatly appreciated. It is just a starting point. Proposed update for Section 4.4.3: 4.4.3. Alignment and

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indirect mail flows

2023-04-28 Thread Hector Santos
On 4/28/2023 5:19 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: > On Sun 02/Apr/2023 20:13:48 +0200 Scott Kitterman wrote: >> Mailing list changes to ameliorate damage due to DMARC are in no way an improvement. Absent DMARC, they would not be needed at all. > > +1 In my view, when an incomplete protocol is

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Search for some consensus, was: Proposed text for p=reject and indirect mail flows

2023-04-28 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, April 28, 2023 3:57:55 AM EDT Alessandro Vesely wrote: > On Fri 28/Apr/2023 05:14:16 +0200 Jesse Thompson wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2023, at 9:54 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> On April 28, 2023 2:49:48 AM UTC, Jesse Thompson wrote: > >>>On Thu, Apr 27, 2023, at 9:40 PM, Jesse

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indirect mail flows

2023-04-28 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Sun 02/Apr/2023 20:13:48 +0200 Scott Kitterman wrote: Mailing list changes to ameliorate damage due to DMARC are in no way an improvement. Absent DMARC, they would not be needed at all. +1 Best Ale -- ___ dmarc mailing list

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Search for some consensus, was: Proposed text for p=reject and indirect mail flows

2023-04-28 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Thu 27/Apr/2023 22:49:31 +0200 Scott Kitterman wrote: On April 27, 2023 4:02:32 PM UTC, Alessandro Vesely wrote: On Wed 26/Apr/2023 13:21:33 +0200 Scott Kitterman wrote: On April 26, 2023 8:08:39 AM UTC, Alessandro Vesely wrote: On Tue 25/Apr/2023 20:27:18 +0200 Scott Kitterman wrote:

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Search for some consensus, was: Proposed text for p=reject and indirect mail flows

2023-04-28 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Fri 28/Apr/2023 05:14:16 +0200 Jesse Thompson wrote: On Thu, Apr 27, 2023, at 9:54 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: On April 28, 2023 2:49:48 AM UTC, Jesse Thompson wrote: On Thu, Apr 27, 2023, at 9:40 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: On Thu, Apr 27, 2023, at 10:44 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: Also,