On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 22:27 +0100, David Gerard wrote:
On 22 October 2011 22:23, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote:
I wanted to say this for a long time, and now seems like a good
opportunity. I see this as a tyranny of the majority. I understand that
a large majority of German
On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 22:56 +0100, David Gerard wrote:
And, in detail, why is a hide/show all solution inadequate? What is
the use case this does not serve?
Are you even trying to pretend to be serious? Use case: me reading an
article.
It is my impression that you are pushing for this
On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 23:35 +0200, Tobias Oelgarte wrote:
Am 22.10.2011 23:23, schrieb Nikola Smolenski:
On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 21:16 +0100, David Gerard wrote:
Both the opinion poll itself and its proposal were accepted. In
contrary to the decision of the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia
Am 23.10.2011 08:30, schrieb Nikola Smolenski:
On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 22:56 +0100, David Gerard wrote:
And, in detail, why is a hide/show all solution inadequate? What is
the use case this does not serve?
Are you even trying to pretend to be serious? Use case: me reading an
article.
It is my
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Greetings,
I am writing a book on the history of Wikipedia and the Wikimedia movement,
focusing on its 'history of ideas'. Would any Wikipedians be prepared to be
interviewed for this? Obviously long-standing Wikipedians would be a focus but
I am interested in anyone who is involved in the
Am 23.10.2011 08:49, schrieb Nikola Smolenski:
On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 23:35 +0200, Tobias Oelgarte wrote:
Why? Because it is against the basic rules of the project. It is
intended to discriminate content. To judge about it and to represent you
No, it is intended to let people discriminate
I completely agree :)
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rswrote:
On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 21:16 +0100, David Gerard wrote:
Both the opinion poll itself and its proposal were accepted. In
contrary to the decision of the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia
On 23 October 2011 09:16, Peter Damian peter.dam...@btinternet.com wrote:
Edward
Is Edward Peter Damian, or someone else?
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On 23 October 2011 10:01, teun spaans teun.spa...@gmail.com wrote:
I completely agree :)
So you can address my answer, even as Nikola didn't quite.
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A general question: is there a Wikipedian ideology? What is it?
Hmm. Ideologie und Utopie. Don't forget about Mannheim ;)
Przykuta
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So, the law was finally rejected or it was not voted yet?
2011/10/6 Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
Not so easy. Yesterday an amendment has been officially proposed, not
approved. It will be discussed into the parliament camera, then into the
parliament senate. Only if both will
On 22/10/11 22:56, David Gerard wrote:
On 22 October 2011 22:51, Tobias Oelgarte
tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote:
What approaches do you have in mind, that would empower the editors and
the readers, aside from an hide/show all solution?
And, in detail, why is a hide/show all solution
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Peter Damian
peter.dam...@btinternet.comwrote:
A general question: is there a Wikipedian ideology? What is it? In
particular, how does the current ideology, if there is one, compare with the
ideology which inspired its founding fathers. And mothers - many of
A cookie-based hide all images/show all images toggle clearly
visible in the toolbar at the top of pages. together with
...
I'd be interested in any arguments that might be made against such a
proposal.
How about the fact that newspaper websites regularly include shocking
images of violence
On 23 October 2011 11:50, Fae f...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
How about the fact that newspaper websites regularly include shocking
images of violence and death on their main pages and have few
complaints as they rely on editorial control rather than built-in
software tricks? This is a solution
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 12:26 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote:
So, the law was finally rejected or it was not voted yet?
It hasn't been voted yet.
Cruccone
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On 23 October 2011 12:02, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 October 2011 11:50, Fae f...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
The Foundation considers de:wp's careful and thoughtful decision to
put [[:de:vulva]] on the front page of de:wp with a picture was a
clear failure of community judgement
On 23 October 2011 12:30, Fae f...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
PS clear failure looks like an opinion, not a statement of fact.
Presumably this relates to an official position of the WMF?
An opinion held by several staff on the matter, including the
Executive Director. I consider this
On 23 October 2011 12:38, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 October 2011 12:30, Fae f...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
...
PS clear failure looks like an opinion, not a statement of fact.
Presumably this relates to an official position of the WMF?
An opinion held by several staff on the
I agree. There is no way a derivative work being PD invalidates the
underlying copyright. That would be ridiculous. It would undermine the whole
concept of derivative works.
The deletion discussion on commons seems to have been closed prematurely.
There was hardly any discussion at all. I'm not
Reopened
(http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:%22Appreciate_America._Come_On_Gang._All_Out_for_Uncle_Sam%22_(Mickey_Mouse)%22_-_NARA_-_513869.tif#File:.22Appreciate_America._Come_On_Gang._All_Out_for_Uncle_Sam.22_.28Mickey_Mouse.29.22_-_NARA_-_513869.tif)
Though I
very often in italian history, italian politicians use to postpone votings.
This is tactics: when people gets angry for a law proposal, they delay its
approval saying we trust you, with the hope that later people wouldnt
notice the law proposal. About this law this has already happened: it was
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Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 02:57:51 +0200
From: Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] category free image filtering
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Am 23.10.2011 15:46, schrieb WereSpielChequers:
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Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 02:57:51 +0200
From: Tobias Oelgartetobias.oelga...@googlemail.com
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] category free image filtering
To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
On 23 October 2011 15:36, Tobias Oelgarte
tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote:
One open problem is the so called logic/brain of the system. Until we
have an exact description on how it will exactly work, we know neither
it's strong points nor it's weak spots. Until i see an algorithm that is
On Sun, 2011-10-23 at 10:31 +0200, Tobias Oelgarte wrote:
Am 23.10.2011 08:49, schrieb Nikola Smolenski:
On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 23:35 +0200, Tobias Oelgarte wrote:
Why? Because it is against the basic rules of the project. It is
intended to discriminate content. To judge about it and to
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 8:27 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
A neutral all-or-nothing image filter would not have such side effects
(and would also neatly help low bandwidth usage).
It would also make the project useless. I don't want to see the 0.01%
(yes, rhetorical statistics
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 12:58:03 -0700
From: Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l]
The vote in German Wikipedia, and most of the discussions to
date, have focused on the specific ideas and mock-ups that
were presented as part of the referendum.
Erik,
You are
From: Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l]
The literal translation of what was being voted on:
Pers?nliche Bildfilter
(Filter, die illustrierende Dateien anhand von
Kategorien der Wikipedia verbergen und vom Leser an- und abgeschaltet
werden k?nnen,
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Fae f...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
A cookie-based hide all images/show all images toggle clearly
visible in the toolbar at the top of pages. together with
...
I'd be interested in any arguments that might be made against such a
proposal.
How about the
On 23 October 2011 13:12, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree. There is no way a derivative work being PD invalidates the
underlying copyright. That would be ridiculous. It would undermine the whole
concept of derivative works.
The deletion discussion was reopened by Anthony
Am 23.10.2011 17:19, schrieb Nikola Smolenski:
On Sun, 2011-10-23 at 10:31 +0200, Tobias Oelgarte wrote:
Am 23.10.2011 08:49, schrieb Nikola Smolenski:
On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 23:35 +0200, Tobias Oelgarte wrote:
Why? Because it is against the basic rules of the project. It is
intended to
Am 23.10.2011 17:24, schrieb Andrew Garrett:
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 8:27 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote:
A neutral all-or-nothing image filter would not have such side effects
(and would also neatly help low bandwidth usage).
It would also make the project useless. I don't want to
On 23/10/11 16:24, Andrew Garrett wrote:
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 8:27 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote:
A neutral all-or-nothing image filter would not have such side effects
(and would also neatly help low bandwidth usage).
It would also make the project useless. I don't want to see
On 23.10.2011 19:05, Tobias Oelgarte wrote:
The German poll made clear, that not any category based filter will be
allowed, since category based filtering is unavoidably non-neutral and a
censorship tool.
Who the hell are you to forbid me or allow me to use a piece of
software? I want to use
Peter Damian wrote:
I am writing a book on the history of Wikipedia and the Wikimedia movement,
focusing on its 'history of ideas'. Would any Wikipedians be prepared to be
interviewed for this? Obviously long-standing Wikipedians would be a focus
but I am interested in anyone who is involved
Am 23.10.2011 19:32, schrieb Ilario Valdelli:
On 23.10.2011 19:05, Tobias Oelgarte wrote:
The German poll made clear, that not any category based filter will be
allowed, since category based filtering is unavoidably non-neutral and a
censorship tool.
Who the hell are you to forbid me or allow
David Gerard wrote:
On 22 October 2011 23:36, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
With that said, the mobile site already has a generic Disable images
view and something similar would definitely make sense on the main
site as well.
I just tried it. It lacks the click to show feature. Add
Erik Moeller wrote:
With that said, I also think it's important to remember that Sue has
explicitly affirmed that the development of any technical solution
would be done in partnership with the community, including people
who've expressed strong opposition to what's been discussed to date.
MZMcBride wrote:
Sue Gardner wrote:
Oh. I can speak to this, at least a little. The Wikimedia Foundation has a
policy of publishing our grant applications when the grantmaking institution
is okay with it. We don't do a lot of grant applications, and of the ones we
do, I am guesstimating that
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Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:36:37 +0200
From: Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] category free image filtering
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And after this procedure, we all expect, that some readers may become
edtitors?
Good Luck!
I hope and expect, that wikipedia could help, that people become more
educated.
The more educated people are, the less important this filters will be.
this should be our goal.
not patronizing readers in
On 23 October 2011 17:59, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
It's a very tricky one.
Yes and no.
However regardless of its complexity (which isn't that bad compared to
some) it is how most real work copyright cases that people actually
care about work. Rather than single the single copyright
* Erik Moeller wrote:
With that said, I also think it's important to remember that Sue has
explicitly affirmed that the development of any technical solution
would be done in partnership with the community, including people
who've expressed strong opposition to what's been discussed to date.
Erik Moeller wrote:
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:56 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 22 October 2011 22:51, Tobias Oelgarte
And, in detail, why is a hide/show all solution inadequate? What is
the use case this does not serve?
Clearly Hebrew and Arabic Wikipedia found a show/hide
On 23 October 2011 09:16, Peter Damian peter.dam...@btinternet.com wrote:
Greetings,
I am writing a book on the history of Wikipedia and the Wikimedia movement,
focusing on its 'history of ideas'. Would any Wikipedians be prepared to be
interviewed for this? Obviously long-standing
* Nikola Smolenski wrote:
Who is this we you are talking about? No one is going to force anyone
to categorize images. If some people want to categorize images, and if
their effort turns out to be in vain, again that is Their Problem and
not Your Problem.
When your filtering or categorization
So cool! Thank you, WMF reports team! I look forward to hearing how
the experiment works :)
Phoebe
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi,
as mentioned in last week's announcement of the September 2011
Wikimedia Foundation report, this time we published
It's Lisa Gruwell, MZ. Last I heard, she has been waiting to hear back
from a couple of foundations about recent agreements.
Thanks,
Sue
Sue Gardner
Executive Director
Wikimedia Foundation
415 839 6885 office
415 816 9967 cell
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
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From: geni geni...@gmail.com
On 23 October 2011 09:16, Peter Damian peter.dam...@btinternet.com wrote:
Greetings,
I am writing a book on the history of Wikipedia and the Wikimedia
movement, focusing on its 'history of ideas'. Would any Wikipedians be
prepared
I'm assuming that this is the Peter Damian who is also
knol.google.com/k/edward-buckner/edward-buckner/2u2a5qlvdgh8h/1#
since he signs as Edward, rather than a troll seeking to impersonate the
banned Wikipedia editor of the same name, for nefarious purposes. In either
case, I have little
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